Assuming these things really can run at 90 km/h like they supposedly can in the movies, would they have their niche in real military?
>>27939055
Between RPGs, Stingers, LAWs, and Javelins an AT-ST is a walking pos.
That's true but no one in the SW Universe has any type of man-portable shaped warhead launcher so the AT-ST would wreck a lot of shit if there is no way to penetrate the armor.
no
if ewoks can take them out, you know they're shit
>>27939377
They do, but the AT-ST usually rolls either with much larger machines, like AT-AT as escorts, or with infantry to act as mobile firepower, not to mention they're quite hard to get.
The AT-ST is more of a crowd controlling vehicle then it is anything else, it would be good for combat in an urban environment since the head can swivel around to meet incoming fire. Also it would fill the role as a scout type vehicle pretty well since it can run fairly fast and it its capable of getting through most types of hostile terrain. You can also mount various types of cannons, lazers, and other things to the sides of the AT-ST making it adaptable to most missions that it is brought on. In terms of defense it lacks any good armor against most types rocket launchers, however its armor would be good against grenades, small arms fire, and IEDS. Anything more than that the AT-ST will have a low probability of surviving, so it would depends mostly on its speed to get away from more heavy ordnance.
>>27939055
Walker Gear?
>>27941803
A weapon to surpass metal gear?
>>27939055
No.
>>27941765
>it would be good for combat in an urban environment since the head can swivel around to meet incoming fire
Why can't they just put a remote weapons station on it.
>imperials in charge of designing weapons
>>27939055
Fuck no
Basically the only mechs in all of fiction that could even be remotely plausible are pic related
>>27941986
I love these, post more.
>>27939055
Depends on cost, autonomy, cross-country abilities, and offensive power.
But mainly cost.
Too tall. If they are 1/3 of their current height, then they can be an all terrain crew served weapon carrier for hit and run.
AKA Wiesel or Toyota Technicals.
>>27942019
So every OTHER walker in star wars sans AT-AT is fine.
>>27939055
Yes
Its supposed to stay 2km away from the front using optics, lasers, and missiles to engage from a distance, its literally a walking helicopter
>>27942069
forgot pic
>>27939392
Keep in mind, the ewoks took out a Jedi, a notorious smuggler, and his wookiee sidekick too.
![exo-squad_L01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pqsQpJt.jpg "exo-squad_L01[1].jpg")
>>27942002
I'm partial to E-Frames myself.
>>27939055
They're designed as CC/IFW/Scouts for a alternate threats use laser weapons.
In our reality those things would get penetrated reliable by literally anything above a .45 caliber and don't get me started on man portable AT systems.
You don't even have to penetrate the main compartment, that system is so complicated that a simple IED or a single Anti Material Sniper round into one of the the joints/moving parts will incapacitate it. All you have to do after that is throw a few Molotov cocktails onto it to flush the crew out.
Why didn't Lucas hire one military tactician?
We wouldn't have so many useless weapons.
>>27941994
>why can't they just...
Because Star Wars is clowncar fantasy disguised as sci-fi.
>>27941765
I wonder if that has something to do with how it's called the All-Terrain Scout-Transport...
>>27942173
Not that Star Wars engineering makes any sense, but wouldn't a hovering vehicle be a better option than a walking one if it's going to be that lightweight? Even the AT-AT's made some sense, as they're portrayed as being almost invulnerable but excessively heavy.
>>27941986
>A Hideo Kojima Leaflet
It's perfect.
>>27942273
Explanations vary between writers if they bother to address it at all.
>>27942206
It's a well-established fact that all the Star Wars machines are purely rule-of-cool, but it would have been a nice immersive addition if they had some nods to real-life, like, say, Imperial shuttles on Endor entering ground-effect before taking off, flight and engine instruments (and sensible layouts) in the various cockpits, and little touches like that
AT-STs could be viable if used right but you'll just see people making claims that no matter what it's worthless because X reason. /k/ hates legs, it's a wonder more /k/ommandos have not cut theirs off and replaced them with wheels or treads. /k/ loves wheels and treads.
To be perfectly honest while they could still fill some roles it's important to remember this was made for a movie series that from the late 70s to early 80s. Update it and you'd have something special.
Missile defense systems
Something like the COFFIN system of ace combat with the cockpit sealed
Night vision, thermal vision, all the trimmings
Actually throw shields on the bitch (it is possible, see AT-XT)
Put the AT-XT's Proton Mortars back on
Sleeker smaller head form with in-line seating for the crew instead of side by side
System that makes the head look where the gunner is looking when active
Unmanned variants (unmanned is not the answer to everything)
Smoke generators
>>27942273
Some places do not agree with repulsorlifts but can be walked. The sound it makes walking towards you can also be intimidating. The Empire is all about intimidation and AT-STs are more likely to be used as giant walking cop cars patrolling settlements and dealing with "protests" than fighting rebels.
Don't really see why you'd use them for scouting when various types of probe droids are a thing and are apparently cheap to spam.
>>27942273
I personally like to think of speeder bikes as little one-man GEVs
>>27942173
>In our reality those things would get penetrated reliable by literally anything above a .45 caliber and don't get me started on man portable AT systems.
You do realize that Star Wars materials are stronger and lighter then anything we can make right? So I doubt modern day conventional weapons would be effective (they would most likely be weak against heavy ordnance such as arty, certain types of missiles, and armor penetrating tank shells.
>>27942164
90's NERD
>>27942273
It makes no sense but hey, we're just theory crafting.
A hovering vehicle would make sense but the walker construction makes sense too. Most of the threats were the laser equivalent of 9mm/5.56mm/7.62mm weapons so it's good enough if you need a CC/IFV/Scout
The downside of the walker construction is: It's large, it can't hide/get hull down in many places and it makes a lot of noise. I would call it the equivalent of WW2 destroyer ship. They can fuck much bigger threats up but once they get under higher caliber fire they're doomed and a smoke screen won't save them.
>>27942516
It still got squished by two logs.
Granted, the logs probably weighed several tons, but they're still logs.
>>27942516
Modern armored trucks can resist logs, modern body armor can resist spears; Star Wars can't. Modern gear > SW gear. QED bitch.
>>27942556
Your plates can stop a spear but what about the rest of your uniform?
>>27942516
hard or light doesn't matter, in SW they defend against laser weapons. You can get the hardest material, go for 300mm of armor and a kinetic penetrator will still go right trough. That's why modern tanks have reactive armor. Also don't forget, the harder the more fragile a metal gets, we use a composition of hard and soft materials that can absorb a large amount of kinetic energy for a reason.
Those AT-ST have 20mm of armor at best, let it be 40mm, you still breach that with any AM rifle or any WW1/2 HEAT charge.
>>27942532
I'll fucking fight you.
Based chicken-walker inbound.
> Solaris VII Locust for dat ass.
>>27942535
The AT-AT's are designed specifically for intimidation due to the Empire's hard-on for terror weapons.
You're comparison to a WW2 destroyer isn't really apt. A proper comparison would be to something heavily armed and armored with limited firing arcs and disproportionate losses in combat.
>>27942576
Part of your body that contains nearly everything needed to stay alive being spearproof is a hell of a lot better than none of your body being spearproof.
>>27942812
battletech fuck yea.
>>27942842
The black under suit is not really anything-proof but the white bits are extremely durable according to canon unless disney nuked that part too.
>>27942872
Except in the most canon movies, civilian-grade blaster pistols are through-and-throughing stormtroopers, 3' tall teddy bears are running sharpened sticks clear through them, people are jamming vibroblades the size of a stiletto through their chest plates and helmets, and basically everything else that would indicate they're about as durable as a little kid's 1/8" thick plastic halloween getup.
Oh, let's not forget that that all-encompassing helmet has such shit padding a small rock gently lobbed by something not capable of lifting more than 20lbs hitting it kills/KO's the wearer (ewoks with slingshots)
>>27942872
Nope still turn most blaster bolts into a KO instead of a almost guaranteed kill.
>>27942932
Hans pistol is no civilian grade it is a well modified heavy blaster pistol.
>>27942812
Muh locust nigga
>>27942957
What about Leia's holdout pistol that was downing stormtroopers in the first 5 minutes of the first movie?
>>27942957
That still doesn't explain the Ewoks.
>>27942932
You don't know dick about star wars weapons do you?
>>27942273
Repulosors get fucked b certain tech and storms.
>>27942957
What about the Sand Ni-er, People blasters that were literally pipeguns?
What about the Blastech E11, a civilian-grade blaster pistol?
What about the Ion Blaster the Jawas use?
What about the SE-14C light repeater that's used all over Mos Eisley?
What about Boba Fett's flaregun/pistol?
>>27942838
It was the AT-ST <-> Destroyer comparison.
A AT-AT would be a Tiger 2 equivalent of its time. Hard to breach but quiet easy to turn into a sitting duck.
>>27942812
It's a 20 ton agile but fragile and under gunned. A marauder would eat the locust for breakfast.
But yeah. AT Votoms and Heavy Gears are the more probable mechs out there.
Powered armor on the other hand, we're almost there.
>>27942975
Considering you don't see him after the shot and you can see stormtroopers get shot and still squirming in rebels I'm going with it being a minor change in new canon.
>>27942983
Ewoks need no explanation they are deadly bitches is.
This AT-PT could do anything the AT-ST could do and better.
>>27943039
I don't remember a stormtrooper getting shot with one.
E11 is the stormtroopers standard issue weapon it's not civilian grade nor is it a pistol its a carbine.
I don't remember a stormtrooper getting shot with one.
Also imperial issue.
A fucking bounty hunters gun.
>>27943088
Walker gears? What are walker gears doing in Africa?
>>27943039
not him, but:
Tusken raiders are actually one of the few groups that still use slug throwers. Stormtrooper armor would likely stop it outright aside from the same vulnerable spots arrows worked on and probably the eyes.
E-11s are of course military grade being standard issue for the empire and all.
Ion blasters are typically meant for use against droids not people.
The SE-14 is also issued by the Empire.
Boba's EE-3" It's Boba fucking Fett's blaster. He's a notorious bounty hunter with a reputation known across a whole galaxy likely loaded with badasses. Does this really need to be explained?
>>27943090
The Storm Troopers in Mos Eisley talk about the threat of the sand people, it is assumed their weapons can penetrate their armor fairly easily.
There are scenes in 4 of the movies where the E11 failed to kill a completely unarmored non-main-character with a center-mass hit, yet it 1-shots stormtroopers due to handwavium. Also there are several scenes in the original moves that show E11's without stocks being used as pistols. Machine pistols, but still pistols.
I think you're right, I don't remember a storm trooper getting shot with an Ion blaster either. However, they have lost several armored vehicles to them.
Officially classified as a light blaster in the SW wikipedia. Compared directly to Han Solo's pistol and stated to be "more than twice as weak".
>>27943153
Is Wookipedea is still having a canon fit?
>>27943176
Most likely, yes.
>>27943187
Checked still defaults to legends even on non important things like the handy e11.
Basically pistol/carbine/rifle doesn't really seem to matter that much until you get to bigger stuff.
Best way to judge is interactions between faceless/nameless cannon fodder. Stormtroopers utterly wrecked the rebs when boarding the Tantive IV with very few casualties assaulting on a chokepoint with loads of blasters leveled at them. Either the rebs are piss-poor shots (unlikely for a senator's "security team") or the armor is actually really good but doesn't always stop everything. Pretty much every major engagement they have with rebels not involving plot armor the rebels lose hard.
Going by that same rule, Ewoks are shown to be extremely competent fighters being able to fight against vastly superior force at all. Being little fluffy things doesn't automatically mean they're helpless teddy bears. While they take loads of casualties they fight hard.
Going based off of plot points where plot armor is a thing is silly. Of course it's not going to kill Leia, she's a main character! The only one I'd take into account personally is the Mos Eisley hangar scene.
>mfw Ewoks become spacefaring and begin their conquest of the lesser races
>mfw news holos talk of the unstoppable fluffy horde getting closer to my homeworld
>>27942932
Did you even see the original movies?
Stormtroopers get back up after getting hit a couple of times. A couple of times you see blaster bolts ricocheting from them.
Ewoks are bullcrap, but even then Stormtroopers only go down when swarmed by Ewoks. In the first scene of their attack they fire a rain of arrows and only one Stormtrooper screams in pain.
>>27943266
The Ewoks were originally supposed to be Wookiees too weren't they? But then merchandising ruined everything.
>>27943265
This is what the doom moon was for.
>>27943282
Yes. Episode VI is where Lucas went full merchandise mode.
>>27943282
Also that you could make 3 ewoks per wook.
AT-STs do just fine as SCOUT walkers, IE not designed to take a hit. Although their slim profile makes them difficult to hit regardless.
The only really "dumb" vehicle in the empire's arsenal is the AT-AT, which evolved from a much faster and more practical wheeled varient. (Seen in Revenge of the Sith on Kashyyk, It's called the juggernaut or something).
It's possible that, like the death star, the Emporer added legs purely for excess and intimidation, not practicality
They would be pretty effective wouldn't they? 90km/h and 12 ton weight is pretty decent. I think you could probably build one now it would just be too expensive and end up 40-50 million USD per AT-ST.
>>27943331
The rebels heard them before they could see them, it's definitely an intimidation thing.
>>27943331
AT-AT are supposed to be long range mobile artillery. And they can actually reach 60 km/h.
The main reason why they were used as the main attack vehicle on Hoth was because extreme cold was fucking with other vehicles. And Vers loved them.
>>27943331
The Emperor had a hard-on for big displays of power and Tarkin codified the rule through fear doctrine. It's pretty telling that in the EU not only did someone realize that all you you could slap engines and a command module on the superlaser and have it work fine, but the guy who realized that was a complete idiot.
>>27943331
I have to disagree with you on the AT-AT being super impractical, while its not the most practical vehicle it does have some advantages over the juggernaut. One being that it can traverse environments that have deep levels of water such as oceans, lakes, and swamps. The main body of the AT-AT being as high as it is allows the troops to be safe if an IED or a mine were go off so that only the legs are damaged and if it were to fall over the troops in side have a way to get our of the vehicle. The height of the AT-AT makes it great in siege warfare. So the design does have some good uses.
>>27943513
>The height of the AT-AT makes it great in siege warfare.
This.
People seem to forget that turbolasers are direct fire weapons, and things like mortars and howitzers are no-go because energy shields laugh at projectile/shrapnel weapons. Therefore you either use aircraft/starships or you make something that can shoot over cover directly, like a walker.
>>27943052
>t's a 20 ton agile but fragile and under gunned. A marauder would eat the locust for breakfast.
Can a Marauder take on equivalent tonnage of light Mechs? Or equiv cost?
>But yeah. AT Votoms and Heavy Gears are the more probable mechs out there.
We could build Gears now and should.
>Powered armor on the other hand, we're almost there.
Soon, Anon, soon.
Have another Locust becuz BattleTech.
>>27943229
>>27943176
>>27943513
Weren't there a couple of the Rouge Froces games where At-Ats were walking underwater?
Also I've got to agree on the night. As a counter incurgency weapon- which most of the empires fights were- height is a pretty big advantage. You're not using it to take down starfighters, you're using it to rain down death upon a bunch of dumb yokels from far away. Like >>27942089 said, it basically fills the role of a helicopter. One that is also heavily armored, and deploy a platoons worth of troops- with recon vehicles- and doesn't have to land or refuel. Not a bad counter incurgency weapon.
Also keep in mind these were thought up before IEDs became in vogue, how much can you blame Lucas for not predicting something that wouldn't become really noticed on the battlefield till some 3 decades later.
I always got the feeling that the AT-AT was meant to invoke the feeling of a war elephant. A huge seemingly unstoppable beast. Just have it march forward and shrug off any firepower the rebels can throw at it while blasting away at their defenses. Just deploy some smaller walkers to watch their backs.
>>27943659
>IED
>Improvised Explosive Device
There's nothing special about "IEDs," and mines have always been vouge. And you certainly wouldn't be able destroy an AT-AT with something you've created in your apartment.
Maybe with an AT-ST, but then again it makes no sense. Even if the crew cabin survives, you just blew up its legs and the whole thing topples over.
>>27943659
>Weren't there a couple of the Rouge Froces games where At-Ats were walking underwater?
Yes, but i figured that the Juggernaut may have been able to travel underwater as well.
Also to note that replacing every vehicle with drone may not be the best answer, why? Well you could in theory either hack it far away or be next and infect it with some kind of program.
>>27943704
>IEDs have always been vogue
Point me to a single major conflict that has seen the use of IEDs before the GWOT.
Yes mines have always been used, but more as an area denial weapon meant to keep the enemy out, slow their progress, or redirect them. Their overall tactical purpose wasn't to kill a vehicle like various insurgent groups have been using them. Granted that obviously doesn't mean they can't be used for that purpose, just that they weren't historically used that way.
Also a mobility kill on an AT-AT is pretty big, yes you still have the crew to deal with, but you've jus taken away its major offensive capabilities as well as now trapping it.
>>27943833
>Also a mobility kill on an AT-AT is pretty big,
wouldn't this be the case for any vehicle though?
>>27943652
>all this tech
>have to manually focus scope
>>27943689
>Those guys at the end
Basically no fucks given that shots are going literally right next to them lol. Not acting as if they're getting shot at just made those rebels look like total badasses.
>>27943870
Yeah, but even more so for an AT-AT. Let's say you mobility kill a tank or some other turreted armored vehicle, they can still move the turret and engage targets with their main gun. If you mobility kill an AT-AT by toppling it over you've taken its main guns out of the fight.
The thing is though, we don't exactly know how tough it is to take out an AT-ATs legs. Going off the movies/games they seem heavily armored as even sustained heavy blaster fire won't damage them. So who knows how much it would take to really knock one out.
>>27939055
Great as an armored scout. Enough firepower to challenge armor and infantry, good height lets it see over stuff and greater distances, enough armor to protect it from small arms and other scouts, able to adjust its heigh and take cover, and the legs let it climb over obstacles and clutter in city streets. Those hardpoints on the sides are also able to rotate upwards, so I guess it could crouch behind cover, target an enemy, and fire upwards in an arc at them.
It was used in conjunction with AT-ATs, so these guys were the scouts and the AT-ATs were the heavies. Makes sense
>>27942458
These could have been the real flying cars. Why didn't it happen /k/?
>>27943088
Less armor, less crew, less firepower, shorter, and slower, but pretty good for infantry support.
>>27942019
Not naming it Sneaki Breeki. Son I am disappoint.
>>27939055
The star wars universe is fucking retarded and there was obviously no scientific thought to go into any of it.
I've made an upgraded/modernised AT-ST cockpit based on some suggestions.
1x M230 under the chin
2x RWS, one on each side (M2, M240 etc.)
or
2x 4 missile, ATGM launchers
(Or one of each)
Active protection, smoke grenade launchers and a no-window cockpit (CCTV all around)
>>27944349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz-SaMu8k3w
You know it's Star Wars, it might as well be magic.
>>27944618
>the space opera isn't a scientific masterpiece
no fucking shit
>TFW no cyclone armor ever.
>>27944771
That looks fantastic! Any shot of a "finished" version with the head swap done? That is pretty much exactly the form I was thinking about, just with earth weapons rather than star wars stuff.
>>27939055
Fix the legs so they aren't bent backwards and then yes.
>>27945126
Give me a few minutes
>>27942694
You honestly believe that a contemporary kinetic penetrator is more destructive than a bolt of plasma energy that is as hot as the sun? Please.
>>27942556
>modern body armor can resist spears
[citation needed]
>>27945126
Here you go
>>27942449
>you'll just see people making claims that no matter what it's worthless because X reason. /k/ hates legs, it's a wonder more /k/ommandos have not cut theirs off and replaced them with wheels or treads.
Underrated post.
>>27945185
Holy fuck that looks nice. You're fuckin awesome man!
>>27945202
Much appreciated :)
>>27943600
>equive tonnage of lights
REALLY depends on the lights. Mixed hunter killer lance or 3some?
Assault machines are in trouble without a faster machine to support them.
Mess of locusts? It won't even notice them.
>>27945208
If you're into modding at all you should totally put it in a game (if you're willing to sink the time in for that). Would probably fit in nicely with Call to Arms, by same guys who made the Men of War series. As an addition to Arma III it would be badass as well.
If I ever see this on the workshop I'll be snagging it immediately and if I don't have the game I'll probably buy it.
Again, fantastic job man.
>>27945185
>>27945263
I have zero clue how to do that, even if I did have the time. I just do it as a hobby really.
>>27945282
Well you're damn good at your hobby lol.
If you upload the model please for the love of god post a link.
>>27945294
Also don't forget to credit yourself if you do even with a nickname or online handle. Would be a damn shame if a mod got made and you didn't get credited for your work.
>>27945294
Will do
>>27945298
If you have Sketchup, go onto the warehouse and look up "RileyAmosConseptualDesign" the model should be up soon
>>27945311
You've got some nice stuff man, I wish I could work my way around a modeling program even half as well.
>>27943600
>Can a Marauder take on equivalent tonnage of light Mechs? Or equiv cost?
Depends on the loadouts of each. Light mechs carrying ECM could swarm and overwhelm any lone assault mech, that's why you stick with your lance. However if the Marauder is packing Streak (homing) short range missiles and a nice bundle of lasers, picking the light mechs off one by one is plausible but difficult.
>>27945350
>>27945298
>>27945263
https://3dwarehouse(dot)sketchup.com/by/RileyAmosConseptualDesign - Should be in the top left
>>27945311
>javelin and kornet under tags
lol
>>27945383
Hey... I sell to the highest bidder
So question about the sketchup program. For use with architecture does it allow a sort of blueprint mode to convert to 3d? I've actually been looking for something to bring home designs I've been working on into 3d what is easy and doesn't cost and arm and a leg.
>>27945414
I *think* I've seen some people do that, I use 2015 Pro which does cost an arm and a leg. There is a free version, I'd look into that and it's features.
>>27945425
Thanks, I'll look into that.
And if I manage to get that walker set up and working in a game I'll be sure to shoot you an e-mail. That thing is boner fuel of the highest caliber lol.
Probably wouldn't be for months though if at all though.
>>27945438
Wow, that would be amazing.... Thank you!
>>27945450
The program had exactly what I needed to build my floorplans on the computer and it's fairly simple too. Already got one about 1/3 drawn out. Thanks for that recommendation!
>>27939055
The thing is a light scout unit. It's not meant to engage an enemy head on, it's primarily for reconnaissance and support of recon elements in case they do come under fire or they probe for a weak point in the enemy battle line.
It's just something with (relatively) heavy firepower on something that can canonically cover almost any terrain with ease. It's not for frontal assault in and of itself, it's a support weapon and advance scout. Of course, they use them for frontal assaults all the time, but that's just rule of cool movie shit.
>>27943429
I think I remember that story....
Wasnt some dipshit trying to build a deathstar that was just the planet wrecking laser inside a giant metal tube using drug sales to fund it and slave labour/shitty matierials to build it?
Didnt it explode the first time he tried to fire it too?
>>27942019
Those are Swedes
>>27943600
In Battletech I used a 25 ton Mongoose to hunt Locusts, just 5 tons more and carried a better load of weapons and just as fast.
>>27943600
>>27943052
>>27946382
What do you guys think of the new computer version of Battletech that just finished its Kickstarter? I'm looking forwards to playing it with friends that don't live in state anymore.
>>27946382
>not making a custom Mech that goes faster and has a better load of weapons
>not bringing 3 and killing an Atlas with a thousand paper cuts because lol3mediumlasers
>>27942231
Ha, good mental image. Smashed together Dune, the once and future king, star trek, and countless other stories and archetypes. Left a big mark in film due to the execution, but yeah you are correct.
The sound is horrifying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bITUNlhDVxU
>>27942002
>votom
>plausible
Yeah, no.
>>27941994
Because there's an entire galaxy of people and the Empire gives few Shits for human rights. Why wouldn't they be expendable?
>>27939055
Not in that layout. If we assume it can indeed walk at 90 km/h (no fucking way but lets assume) it would be relatively mobile and the main benfit of a walker would be overcoming terrain. Giving it armor would be somewhat useless as any launcher would fuck it up as the legs would be prone to damage and the cockpit has no sloping whatsoever.
It could however be used as a niche artillery or an AA. Its fast and can be positioned in terrain where some vehicles may not be able to get to.
Otherwise crowd control as >>27941765 pointed out as it could get a good angle on rioters.
>>27939101
>US military
Just throw more armour on everything until your soldiers are completely safe and they and the vehicle are completely unable to accomplish missions
>>27939055
they had shields. not sure how shields worked on RPGs.
if effective against them, maybe.
but don't forget Endor.
>>27939055
they would make sense in our universe.
but they make no sense in star wars.
in star wars everything can fly or float at any distance from surface you give all that up for what? the ability to get bogged down? the slow and cumbersome negotiation of semi difficult terrain?
>>27949581
i think rpgs could be easily defeated in the sw universe by automated blaster ciws hard-points and shield emitters
>>27942069
> 2km away
In other words, they would get kucked hard with TOWs.
>>27942019
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltmMJntSfQI
>>27949612
> implying these things don't run forever off the same power source that powers a flying vehicle for a week.
These are a long-term investment for places you'll be camped out for a *long* time with no resupply.
>>27949612
Reporsorlifts an be fucked up by certain weapons. Storms on certain planets also render them useless.
>>27943833
Alex I'll take what is the Vietnam war for $500
![920x920[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xTlHQmo.jpg "920x920[1].jpg")
>>27942449
>>27945195
Agreed.
the typical kommando can't fathom a large scale adaptable combat system. They usually think in terms of current technology, often quoting "over-complexity" rather than just acknowledging that big ass mobile gun will always be a useful, even if it's not practical.
First they tell you AT-ST's aren't plausible, then they rant about how a two legged man with a machine gun is inexhaustible and more mobile, cause mammalian legs never suffer any complications whatsoever.
to put icing on the cake, most of us are Americans, who over pay hand and foot via taxes for the best military quality regardless of the fact that conscripts could do the job for half the price.
>>27942002
...FO4's PA?
>>27942449
>/k/ hates legs, it's a wonder more /k/ommandos have not cut theirs off and replaced them with wheels or treads.
Now if /m/ fags would realize the truth of this...but then again, pic related is the truth they fail to see.
Fact being mecha and PA fans. We've really had the tech for the latter...and if we really wanted to, could probably do the former. But if they would have been useful on the field...well, you'd see them there now. Important lesson learned this week, never going back to /m/ again.
>>27943039
In ROTJ, a Thermal Detonator could have turned Jabba's entire complex into a smoking hole.
In Battlefront, they have about the same explosive effect as 3 sticks of TNT.
Go figure.
>>27942449
>/k/ hates legs, it's a wonder more /k/ommandos have not cut theirs off and replaced them with wheels or treads. /k/ loves wheels and treads.
Projecting much mister "legs are better then threads in mud"?
a better idea would be sentinels
>>27946513
>Dune
The Series that will never get a proper adaptation...
And that is what makes it a good thing.
>>27953355
really, the only mecha that makes sense to me is a Zaku. No lasers just a 120 mm cannon,
>>27953534
more detailed one.
>>27953534
>>27953551
>What if.....
>What if we downscale it down to 2 meters and make it into a pure machine with a iron heart but try to keep as much armor as possible?
Infantry would get fucking decimated
>>27953583
Ya, if you scaled down the zaku, it would be great. be a better idea than the master chiefs armor.
>>27953583
Well...that actually WAS Tomino's idea as his inspiration for Gundam was Starship Troopers. But Clover or Bandai wasn't interested in anything but GIANT ROBOTS because see >>27953355.
>>27953692
What?
You telling me that the creator for GUNDAM, THE GUNDAM wanted the mechs to have realistic size?
How large? Just above 2 story houses or below ?
>>27953765
About the size of pic related. Iirc about between 9-12, maybe 15 ft. max.
Another reason I heard against this was...well as you can imagine things would be a bit more gory.
>>27953794
That's inbetween powerd armor and mini-mechs size.
But wasn't gundam rather brutal for kids? I mean it's war
>>27942206
Because Star Wars is a Medieval Fantasy movie in a Retro Future Sci Fi Wrapper.
>>27953842
Brutal in the sense of FOTNS gore caused by said heavy weapon shells ripping through said armor. Come one anon...it's Japan.
See you pic with Zakus leg missing? Now imagine that was same leg that was armoring a human occupant.
![Kiowa_helicopter_in_flight[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/sPfHahC.jpg "Kiowa_helicopter_in_flight[1].jpg")
This would still do a better job in the Star Wars universe.
>>27953848
I'd say it's more based off Napoleonic warfare then medieval warfare. Except for the space combat which is pure WWII.
>>27945371
awesome stuff anon
>>27953892
That's too small, im sure that if Bandai gave in to realism 50% more they would make the mechs as tall as the ones in VOTOM
>>27939055
The AT-ST is of limited practical use in reality because (as far as we've seen in any media) it's not very good at changing the elevation of its cockpit. For effective use in an urban environment, it should be able to almost completely fold its legs to reduce its profile. It would be nice if the side weapons were mounted on "arms" so that it could fire around corners without exposing itself.
>>27953928
Well, our reality did...kinda.
>>27941803
Thanks, that was fun to play around with.
>>27953481
What high tier heretical cocaine are you snorting? Those things blow total ass.
>shit armor
>shit low number of weapons
>hurrhurrimafastunit
name one fucking good thing they are not shit at.
>>27953966
>Well, our reality did...kinda.
Moderately sized statues don't count.
>>27943659
Yeah, Rogue Squadron had a couple missions that had you bomb AT-ATs, AT-PTs, and AT-STs that were making their way to a beach out from under a crashed star destroyer.
>>27943331
From what I recall of the Juggernaut, it suffered from it's own problems due to needing an extremely robust suspension and transmission to keep its 8 giant wheels running. Acquiring replacement parts for it was a problem.
>>27954227
They are used mostly as scouts as they have better sensors and mobility then other Imperial assets. Do rather well in that role also.
>>27954629
>extremely robust suspension
Just use a toolbox
>>27951095
Assuming it's being used by a competent military, it would be covered in ERA and Hard / soft kill systems, not to mention a much longer range than 2km.
>>27946453
Link please?
>>27942838
The German Ferdinand tank destroyer fits perfectly :)
>>27946530
Gotta admit, it would be pretty damn scary to go up against one of those things.
>>27956464
unless you are in a tank
you know a tank could take them any which way
>>27953897
Not better than this
>>27949638
anything with shields in our universe would be unfairly powerful in the battle field, even a giant metal chicken.
a couple of them would be capable of leveling a small country in days, if not hours.
all thanks to shields, not stupid chicken legs.
>>27958116
are you sure they have shields? nothing i seen from star wars suggests so
>>27958116
>>27958136
i found this
>Like all ground-contact vehicles, the AT-ST can push its way through standard theatre shields, thus allowing it to go where repulsorcraft cannot.
>>27939055
Are you kidding? Of course they would have a niche. A small one, but can you imagine the psychological effect on the enemy?
>>27958158
sorry so basically this suggests that we could take anything that has shields since physical stuff can push through
if not the projectile the tank itself can just hit the legs shove the barrel up the arse side and fire
>>27958164
i'm thinking more like swamps
no tank can negotiate a serious swamp like in florida these walkers could possibly
>>27958172
exactly.
fast moving objects would simply be crushed against the shield, making projectiles of any kind useless.
but pushing thru the shield slowly would work.
actually, a tank would be seen and neutralized from afar, but a single soldier could sneak up and tie some explosives to the legs, the fall would kill the crew, once they appear never to use the complex and elusive technology we know as "safety belts".
>>27958178
their feet suggest they would deal fine with both, swamp and sand. maybe even snow. but only if they are light as they seem to be, with that paper thin armor.
>>27958200
i don't think an at-st could penetrate a modern mbt
their main cannon is more akin to a 40mm mortar in effect but certainly not more powerful than an rpg plasma jet in fact based on the movies i would say it's way less powerful.
>>27958221
excellent point. I know nothing about the guns they are packing.
oho, this is finally /k/ related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHJkxEVENPI&list=PLnkHSiA6qg4mi5VNL-6iru2tE_BfYudbX
>>27958158
>be flying saucer pilot
>evil rebels set up shield
>no fly thru shield
>is bad
>set down saucer on top of shield dome
>power down
>wait for sink thru
>power up
>fly like an angry god destroying shit left and right
>stupid rebels never saw that coming
>>27958369
I just want to say I love you anon, marry my wookie sister.
>>27944771
Ideally you'd want the sensors and weapon systems top-mounted, so the AT-ST doesn't expose the head when peeking over an object. This is what has always made the design ridiculous imo.
>>27958060
Well naturally. I mean on foot. Fuckin' scary.
>>27958430
well it seems primarily used in the ifv role basically shooting at running humanoids and mud huts.
if it had to duke it out against a tank it would lose bad anyways. a top mounted cannon would make it less exposed while peekaboo but that is one thing they were not designed for.
i would rather add indirect fire support capability so it can engage enemy troops and armor while completely in cover.
>>27943229
thats just a sterling funny i didn't believe they really used those for props in the movies i heard about it but never really noticed in the films. damn sterlings were cool looking
>>27958349
Cooooool.
>>27958592
They even ran blanks in them for some scenes
>>27955014
>have better sensors and mobility then other Imperial assets
are you fucking high? I played 40k for a few years and those things were completely useless outside of being used in large swarms. Lay off the whatever it is your taking and stop acting like a moron.
>>27943833
IEDs were briefly used by Confederates in the American Civil War. This stopped when the Union threatened to burn to the ground any Southern towns they were used in.
>>27959135
Fluff not crunch.
>>27954593
No...but the size is right, just gotta fill it with the tech to make it move and fight.
>>27943052
That Atlas in the background is going to eat that Marauder's lunch... SOON
