Find a flaw.
Images are sometimes not shown due to bandwidth/network limitations. Refreshing the page usually helps.
You are currently reading a thread in /k/ - Weapons
You are currently reading a thread in /k/ - Weapons
Find a flaw.
>>27938764
>.jpg
Enjoy ur loses bro
>>27938764
it's a revolver
>>27938764
>Find a flaw.
looks like a black powder piece of garbage
Fukhueg, could explode if improperly loaded, the ram rod tamper thing could flop down and lock the chamber in place
>>27938764
It took till the 30s to stop being the most powerful handgun on urff
>>27938764
Many
>Weak frame
>No top strap
>Rear sight on hammer
>No lock on ramrod
>Have to completely dissemble the pistol to remove the cylinder
>>27938764
>>27938784
anything that Ian didn't spoonfeed you bozos?
>>27938764
Its not a LeMat
>>27938824
I give zero fucks about black powder revolvers, and have no reason to. You asked, so there's what I know, faggot.
>>27938764
Have you ever tried to keep a black powder gun clean in a the field? Or tried to load a black powder gun in the rain or heavy wind?
They are inherently flawed due to their design. Do they work well for what they're intended? Of course! Are they out performed by even the shittiest rusty highpoint in every way from top to bottom? Of course!
![10062269_1[1].jpg_v=8CD77F08002C6F0.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xAo2Tfd.jpg "10062269_1[1].jpg_v=8CD77F08002C6F0.jpg")
>>27938764
It's single action and you're not nameless no matter how you pretend.
>>27938873
Beautiful weapon there.
The Starr is where it is at.
>>27938785
>more powerful than the "high pressure" Single Action Army's
No.
>>27938764
Couldn't I just op for the cartridge converted one and skip the whole blackpowder nonsense?
The loading lever doesn't have a proper latch and every time you fire it the lever drops down and locks the cylinder.
Like 70% of all the Walkers made KBd during the war with Mexico because the cylinder is too long and holds too much powder. Back then they were made from wrought iron so they were weaker than modern repros.
They are heavy as fuck.
Look at the next percussion revolver designed by Colt. Everything different is something that was wrong with the Walker.
>>27939046
.45 BPM for the win!
The most le obscure cartridge you've probably never heard of.
go watch ians video on it
>>27938775
Game over.
>>27938764
>ugly loading lever
>no lock on loading lever
>open frame
>prone to cap jams
>can't change cylinders without taking the barrel off first
>rear sight on the hammer is inconsistent
1858 is better, both functionally and aesthetically.
I like the engraved cylinders on 1851s though.
>>27938871
>Are they out performed by even the shittiest rusty highpoint in every way from top to bottom?
>every way from top to bottom?
Nah, they are more accurate at least.
>>27939246
highpoints are surprisingly accurate, due to their fixed barrel
>>27939680
So are blackpowder revolvers.
But is a shitty, rusty hightpoint more accurate than a Pedersoli precision replica? Don't think so.
>>27939237
Why is the 1858 so sexy?
Is it maybe the mixture of old and new features?
That octogonal barrel does things to my thing.
>>27939845
>Why is the 1858 so sexy?
The loading lever probably.
>>27939845
For me it's because it's classic yet as practical as it gets.
Also, all dem smooth curves.
>>27939904
Looks good even without it if you ask me.
The loading lever latch ruins it a little, but still.
>>27939978
Yeah, but it's more like the aesthetic design of the loading lever preserves the sleek look of the revolver. 1851 without the lever would most likely look just as good.
>>27940009
>the aesthetic design of the loading lever preserves the sleek look of the revolver
No argument here.
>>27938764
I don't have one
>>27938764
>Tendency to explode/chainfire
>gun recoil can make the loading lever swing down into the cylender halting operation
>gotta secure that shit with a leather strap.
On the bright side you can convert them to cartridge firing weapons and theyre pretty cool.
>>27939237
Fucking cap jams. Colts are horrible for that. It's a rare day indeed when I shoot my Uberti Navy reproduction and it doesn't cap jam.
>>27939082
Lol this.
.45 BPM on the left, .45 colt on the right.
>>27940127
Gotta tilt the muzzle upwards a bit each time you cock it so the percussion cap falls clear. Or maybe you just got a wore out/shitty gun.
I had a walker and it never cap jammed on me, and it was a rusty wore out POS
>>27940066
Why?
Capandballs are cheap and legal without any permits in many yuropoor countries. Where you from Anon?
>>27940127
You can try filling the notches on the cylinder, supposedly it helps but I can't confirm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfTGjm3IDYw
The guy is a fatfuck and I didn't really liked his cleaning videos, so don't know if he is trustworthy.
>>27940119
>Tendency to explode/chainfire
Literally no chainfires as long as you don't use undersized balls.
And no explosions unless you get a squib or load it with smokeless powder.
>>27938764
single action
>>27940225
The whole "chainfire/explodes" thing USED to be true back when a bunch of super shitty eurotrash pot metal replicas were being made.
A uberti should be safe, still might want to lightly grease the front of the cylender just to be safe though.
Just out of curiosity:
If you took a modern replica walker of good quality, constructed of modern matierials and converted it to cartridge fire would it be safe to fire modern .45 long colt out of it?
I love the looks of old BP revolvers.
>>27940273
If the steel would be good enough then I guess it could be possible. Wouldn't want to try though.
Most black powder replicas are made from shitty cast steel, I think I could actually dent my uberti 1858 with teeth if desperate.
>>27940301
Just did some reading on it. I guess you CAN so long as you dont use +P ammo or hot loads.
It seems like it was less about the cylender or barrel and more about the frame getting shook apart and causing a lot of wear and tear.
>>27940375
Both Colts and Remingtons have a really weak joint connecting the frame with the barrel, I guess that would be an issue too.
>>27938764
The Remington 1858 exists.
>>27940375
>I guess you CAN
I think you mean could.
I don't think anyone is making replicas that could handle it. Maybe Pedersoli since their guns are top quality and their frames are forged rather than cast, but still doubt it, maybe with some heavy modifications.
Shooting smokeless from BP replicas is no joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_XNWeMqCT0
>>27940439
How about cowboy action loads?
>>27940477
Dunno really. It's all just guesswork, I don't know the quality specifications of the frames, never attemped to shoot smokeless from a replica etc.
I am not sure about this particular model, but i had issues with the loading lever with a lot of other blackpowder revolvers, most particularly the colt walker, where it would drop and lock the chamber
>>27938824
4 hours late for "I knew there was a reason you made this thread."
>>27938764
>Find a flaw
made by Colt
>>27938764
The ram rod can fall out of place and lock the cylinder in place.
>>27938764
It isn't a Remington 1858
Just picked up a Fillipetta repro for $125.
The barrel and cylinder are rusted to shit, but the rifling's still strong and she seems to be in working order.
Am excite to shoot.
What are your procedures for field cleaning a black powder revolver?
Should I just run a few solvent soaked patches through the barrel, or is there more involved?
Pic is my new baby. I wanna make sure I don't fuck her up.
>>27943386
Take the grips off and soak it in soapy water. No, I'm not joking.
>>27943418
At the range?
>>27938764
Not a Dragoon.
Not an 1858.
Not an 1861.
>>27938764
>low capacity
>loading a new cylinder is a bitch
>does not take cartridges
>heavy
>big
>shit sights
>single-action only
The only cool thing about besides the looks is that it's basically it's own reloading bench.
>>27943288
hold up
receiver has mods
>>27940127
Replace the stock nipples with aftermarket ones and fill in the slot on the face of the hammer with JB weld.
>>27940207
Don't listen to this kid. Mike Beliveau knows cap and ball revolvers.
>>27938795
Came here to post this.
It's easy to shit on the Walker Colt when you compare it to designs that came later. You have to remember that during the late 1840s, percussion caps were invented just a decade ago and flintlocks were still going strong.
>>27938764
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4f4UMX_ewA
Packs quite a punch.
>>27939817
but a shitty rusty hipoint is just a matter of dropping the mag and slapping a new one in to keep shooting
>>27938764
Not gonna lie, I've been wanting an open top Colt revolver more than normal ever since I watched Kino's Journey, only thing that's stopped me is how long black powder guns take to clean.
>>27944721
Taking them apart for cleaning is half the fun.
>>27944776
It might be different with a revolver, but with my muzzle loading rifle cleaning is just me spending 30+ minutes trying to get all that shit out of the barrel and quickly going over everything else, then being paranoid the next couple days about not cleaning it well enough and the barrel starting to rust (actually happened once).
>>27943288
He's really picky about those springs.
Is that the Dragoon?
Didn't the powder have a tendency to explode in all 6 chambers?
>>27943386
>field cleaning
I usually just run the barrel and the chambers with a jag and that's it. But it's mostly to help with the accuracy, not to actually clean it.
After prolonged shooting the residue is literally pouring out of the barrel.
>I wanna make sure I don't fuck her up
Then clean her properly as fast as you can after you're done shooting, and remember to take care of small and hard to get in spaces like the inside of the nipples etc.
Also, lubricate the threads on the nipples.
>>27944621
Yeah, just like 1858.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kqEgijuCu4
reloading,
>>27938905
But he is right, it was the most powerful revolver until the 357 Mag came along
>>27944558
This.
A rifled revolver with decent accuracy that was in an immediately lethal caliber was a big deal back when most other options for a repeating handgun were comically under powered or wildly inaccurate.
Hell most real shootings by handguns went something like this:
>two guys get into arguement
>"IMMAH KILL YOU AN WEAR YER BOOTS!"
>both unload .32 caliber and .36 caliber revolvers at eachother from 15 feet away
>one guy takes one in the shoulder, the other in the guts
>get restrained as soon as the guns are empty
>7 days later gut-shot guy dies from sepsis
>guy who got winged recovers from his wound just in time to be hung
It was probably very desireable when the walker came out to finally have a hand gun you could just plug some dude with and walk away knowing he was either dead or would be very shortly.
>>27944815
Why not just use pyrodex?
Drastically reduces cleaning time and not nearly as corrosive.
>>27940439
Makes me wonder the limit of smokeless in a black powder gun. IV's test proved that they are stronger than people give them credit for. An ultra mild load of the slowest burning smokeless probably wouldn't hurt.
>>27945738
I do use Pyrodex, and I've it's easier to clean a gun after using real black powder than Pyrodex, but I'd have to drive a couple hours to get get to the nearest store that sells real black powder.
>>27945673
Somebody else can correct me cuz I may be wrong but that stems from this:
1: improper loading, some guy loads the chambers sloppy, leaves powder stuck to the front of the cylender, pulls the trigger, and has 3 cylenders discharge at once. Of course he would NEVER admit hes a dumbass and blew his own hand off so it must be the gun's fault.
2: for a while during the 1950s-60s wild west craze there were several companies that made incredibly shitty quality cowboy gun reproductions out of subpar matierials. It was an era before rampant lawsuits, in 1 in 100 guns were defective it just meant you got a shitty name and had to sell cheap, which is exactly what they did.
3: the original walkers were actually chambered in .454, if you put a modern perfectly .45 caliber ball in one theres juuuuust enough of a gap for a spark to cause a chainfire. Modern repros are chambered in modern .45 measurements but the originals, and earlier reproduction models werent.
In short if you are smart, use the right ball, dont get sloppy and get powder everywhere, and lightly grease the front of the cylender before inserting it its fine. Its an early model black powder repeating weapon that required the operator to posess some skill and intelligence to use, not one of the modern 1/1000th of an inch tolerance gun made from high test steel firing precision inspected (compared to 18th century standards) ammo where you just plop a cartridge in a hole and it goes bang.
Think of it like this, with black powder cap and ball weapons you are reloading your cartridges every time you load the gun, if you treat it just like you did reloading ammo for a modern fire arm you will be fine.
>>27938887
>Starr
WAR!
HUGH!
YEAH!
WHAT IS IT FOR FOR!?
ABSOLUTELY. NOTHING!
SAY IT AGAIN!
>>27945813
>FOR FOR
FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK!!!
>>27945777
I think youre just going about the whole cleaning process wrong. Not mechanically mind you, just metally. Yeah, black powder weapons take forever to clean. So play some classy tunes, crack a beer or have a few nips of good whisky, smoke a cigar or pipe or whatever if thats your pursuasion, and just spend an hour cleaning you old hogs leg being manly and classy as fuck.
That way cleaning your cap and ball revolver isnt a chore, its a way to unwind.
>>27938764
No bottom rail so you can put a vertical grip on it to give the atf a big fuck you
>>27938764
low quality munitions
takes an age to reload
grip is too small
sights have low contrast
>>27938764
Can't legally claim the scalps of the injuns you kill with it
>>27945732
Not to mention it could reliably take down horses and other medium and large animals
>>27946878
>not using the loading lever as a vertical grip
>>27938764
it doesn't use cartridges unless converted
>>27947541
It locks the drum you silly goose
>>27948651
>cock hammer
>lower and grip loading lever
>gun not only is more stable but also achieves tighter lockup
I don't see the problem here.
>>27948651
the chamber is still in line with the barrel.
But it doesn't work very well, I tried it.
Also
>drum
