![Sherman_Tank_WW2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/v65yKen.jpg "Sherman_Tank_WW2[1].jpg")
Say whatever you want about the Sherman, maybe it wasn't the Jerry-cooker it was rumored to be, maybe it's off-road capabilities were just on par and not sub-par how many claim, maybe it's gun was good enough to do the job - I don't care - however it has performed - it is just so fucking ugly, no other famous tank from the axis or allies looked so fucking hideous.
I'm sorry, it may have been a great tank, it certainly was one of the most important ones, but it definitely was the ugliest one.
>>27937077
for what it was designed to do it did well, however what it was designed to do was the wrong idea.
>>27937077
The early Sherman's with the rounded hull were pretty okay looking.
>>27937077
>Jerry-cooker
We called the Germans Jerrys, not the other way around.
>>27937077
>Sherman
>ugly
>uglier than "Hallo Hans just slap some boxes and random shapes together and call it ein Panzer vier, ja?"
>>27937262
>dislikes the quint-essential tank-look.
What is wrong with you?
>>27937077
>M4
>Ugliest
smfh famm
>>27937077
Oh, oh, oh, my friend. Thats not true. Sherman is not = Sherman. There were SO many variants and your're only party right.
The one you posted is a lenghtened A2 or A4 Hull, which makes ANY Sherman ugly as fuck.
Sherman hull variant roundup incoming.
>>27937522
We start with the general Hull Variants.
Heres an Overview
>>27937538
The M4 (without any A suffix) was the very first variant and came with an all-welded hull with sharp glacier angle and powered by a radial engine
Afaik none of these received the T23 turret and the 76mm gun
>>27937551
The M4A1 was the only variant with an all-cast hull, very easy to distinguish by the all rounded corners
As you can see in my first pic, they were made with 60° glacis and later 47° glacis which was done because it made bigger hatches for Driver and codriver possible.
Pic shows an early variant with 60° glacis
>>27937566
The M4A1 was also powered by the radial engine (I will only post US Army variants since the Marines had some A2s and A4s with the long hulls too but I got no deeper knowledge about these (diesel powered) variants
Pic related shows an all piped up late A1
The glacis has a 47° angle and the turret and the gun gave place to the (so called) T23 turret and the 76mm M1 gun.
>>27937578
Sorry, forgot pic
>>27937538
>>27937522
I'm sorry man, one's worse than the other. That falling line to the back, those weird round proportions, the hight to width ratio, it's all so terrible.
The Sherman is the only tank where the old balloon mock-up looks better than the tank.
>>27937584
The next major (if not the biggest) Variant was the M4A3, also an all-welded design.
Just like the M4, it came with an early 60° glacis and small hatches and later 47° hatches with large hatches.
Especially early M4s and M4A3s are somewhat hard to distinguish, thats why I post a picture of a later variant
>>27937586
Wait bro, the sexy ones are yet to come up
Also the M4A3 enjoyed the blessings of the T23 and its gun.
Btw: The A3 was the first variant to be powered by a nice, easy to operate and to keep in working condition Ford V8 engine.
>>27937607
The M4A3 was also base for the "M4A3E2" better known as the Sherman Jumbo.
The designers virtualy doubled up the armor of the Hull, creating an immensely thick armored tank that was usually used as the first in a column to bounce anti tank gun rounds when the army entered a german town.
Its turret closely resebled the T23 but also featured doble the armor. The factory equipped the E2 with the proven 75mm gun because its Role was more that of an infantry and anti tank gun killer, but from january 1945 most of the units mounted the 76mm because they found out they had to deal with Panthers and the like on a regular base.
Because I'm an arrogant scale modeller, I post the pic of a Jumbo I built this summer.
>>27937638
Ahh, the rarely seen M4Au, the Australian Sherman.
>>27937638
Fuck this gay ass programm that posts pics upside down....
Well ok,
The A3 was also the very first variant to receive the HVSS drive train, which consisted of horizontally aranged volute springs contrary to the earlier VVSS gear with vertical springs.
You all know this variant from the Movie "Fury". These tanks were pinnacle of M4 Design. They offered a very smooth ride through the HVSS and had lots of attributes which later became a part of the MBT as a tank design philosophy
>>27937663
I may add that also several M4A1s got the HVSS gear
You're just a faggot, kid. There's nothing wrong with it.
>>27937262
idk mang that looks pretty kewl
>>27937653
Kek
>>27937671
Among fans, the M4A3 with the HVSS (also called the M4A3E8 or Easy eight) ist considered the sexiest variant of the Sherman.
My personal opinion is a little different.
I like the M4A1 the best, especially with T23 turret AND track grousers but VVSS gear which would be pic related (NOT BUILT BY ME!!)
>>27937677
The ironing is palpable.
>>27937700
Closely followed by the original Jumbo with short 75mm gun
(lets try again to post a pic of my model)
>>27937077
And what you posted, OP, is a seriously ugly-ass M4A4 with long hull, HVSS AND original turret featuring a 105mm howitzer. So theres no way you could have found a less common variant.
>>27937750
Since I wrote what I wanted to write, I'm gonna stopp tripping again. I know how much y'all hate it.
>>27937700
Whats the paintjob at the tip of the barrel?
>>27937767
Zoom out a bit and tell me what the gun looks like.
>>27937767
Counter shading.
It was applied to early 76mm shermans during the latter stages of normandy so they didnt stand out next to 75mm Shermans and get unusual attention by germans.
>>27937731
be honest, are you thunderf00t?
the tank models are a bit telling m8
All this talk about Shermans and not even a mention of the best variant. You don't even have to be a bong to realize it's the ultimate version.
>>27937077
I think a tank should be kinda ugly. Its a weapon of war, designed and built kill our fellow men. It's vistage should inspire fear and dread.
>>27937856
Sherman looks like a whale with a lipoma on its head, it's far from intimidating, too round.
>>27937262
looks more intimidating
>>27937854
>Long pig disgusting A4 hull
> regular weak armored turret
>Protuding hatches for driver / co-dirver
>No wet stowage b/c the welded patches on the side of the hull
>dat welded-on tumor at the back of the turret for the britkek radio
>The A47 multibank diesel with x-dozen zylinder heads a fucking nightmare for maintenance
>best variant
I have to puke
The Firefly was good for one thing: Knocking out heavier german tanks. For every other aspect there were much better variants.
>>27937820
Nope dude, I'm Small_Scaliban. I posted the making of of this tank at /toy/ this summer.
>>27937077
I think shermans look comparatively cute
>>27938218
>Firefly built on several hulls (pic related)
>mantlet thicker than the 'standard turret'
>engine depended on chassis type
>he thinks firefly ammo was small enough to be stored in the 75 stowage bins anyway
>>27937854
Kek, someone doesnt understand countershading
>>27938407
Eeeew, composite hull.
>>27938416
Thats some sort of tabletop model. They are toys so dont give a heck about these mistakes. They are incorrect shit after all and real scale modelers laugh about these guys
>>27937077
>it may have been a great tank
it hasnt
>>27938760
Assuming you are not trolling, you realise 'real' scale modellers and wargamers use basically the exact same techniques right? And that many people do both?
One is often done to less precise levels because its for a wargame and you have a lot to paint. Any scale modellers laughing at them for that is autistic.
>>27937750
>Hates M4A4
>Likes M4A1
How does it feel to have objectively the shittest taste ever?
>>27939760
Nah, if he had the shittiest taste ever, he would like the Cromwell.
>>27937538
Jesus, how hideous. Please, make it stop. Even OP's pic is better than this.
>>27939760
How can somebody love long hull Shermans? I mean, what wwent wrong with you as a child thst you like these fugly pieces of shit???
>>27940619
How can ANYONE love the M4A1?
Jesus christ that front hull looks like a modern art masterpiece.
Its awful.
This tank was so awesome...
>>27942016
...they made it twice
>even the machine gun looks the same
>muh ammo racks
I like the M4's utilitarian aesthetic , matter of taste I suppose.
I really like the look of the Jumbo.
>>27942016
>>27942034
>>27937767
>>27937801
Also applied on the later Sherman Firefly variants, to appear to have a shorter barrel than it actually has.
>>27937077
>it definitely was the ugliest one
Have you ever seen any soviet tank?
>>27937077
>no other famous tank from axis or allies
>famous tanks
>implying literally any other tank besides the Sherman and the Panzer IV were even remotely close to famous
>no, the Tiger/King Tiger were NOT famous, there were even many US generals that didn't believe in their existence til we'd already crossed into Germany proper on foot
>>27942425
>there were even many US generals that didn't believe in their existence til we'd already crossed into Germany proper on foot
wow that's really weird considering the US fought tigers in north africa and even captured a bunch.
>>27942450
Never claimed those generals weren't fucking retarded, just that the Tiger was so rare (and as such very much not famous) many believed it to either be a myth or applique on a PzIV.
>>27942409
From about 1960 onward I really think the Soviets played by the rule of cool.
Sure, they were fucking deathtraps for the crew, but they looked intimidating.
>>27942464
Apparently US forces have 3 confirmed reports of meeting tigers in France. So yeah, rare as fuck nigga.
>>27942425
>>no other famous tank from axis or allies
>>famous tanks
>>implying literally any other tank besides the Sherman and the Panzer IV were even remotely close to famous
Yeah, I stumbled across a picture (pic related) of this super unknown one the other day. I think Ive uncovered a piece of forgotten history
>>27942699
Uh huh. Salty much?
Seriously. Walk into any college history class and ask every single one of them which tanks were involved in WW2.
Half of them will be able to say Panzer, but not -which- Panzers. Maybe a third of them will come up with Shermans (but again not which shermans). You'll get 1 or 2 people who'll say Tiger, but zero who will say T34, King Tiger, Maus, etc.
It doesn't matter one fucking bit how big a role they actually played in the war, the bare fact that only the Sherman and the PzIV were ever featured in any mainstream movies about WW2 means those are the only tanks a normie will be able to come up with.
>>27942747
The population is slightly bigger than the 18-21 age group.
Also where are you getting more panzers than tigers in movies from? The two biggest western ww2 films of the last 20 years (SPR and Fury) featured tigers prominently
>>27942016
>literal box
n-no thanks.
>>27942918
scared the hell out of allied infantry and tanks though
>>27942699
wrong. The most famous tank is undoubtly the Tiger. For non-tank people Tiger is 'the' tank, just like Coca Cola is 'the' soft drink.
>>27942902
>Fury
>A literal movie about M4s and their crews
>>27944872
That doesnt contradict what I said.
>>27937077
I try not to be involved in tank threads, but fuck you, OP.
I love the look of the Sherman.
>>27942541
>Apparently US forces have 3 confirmed reports of meeting tigers in France. So yeah, rare as fuck nigga.
Rare, yet every fucking Sherman crew tended to scream "TIIIIIGAAAAAAA" when they went up against a Panzer IV; the Tiger was so fucking famous, people didn't even know what it looked like, yet assumed everything that has tracks and an iron cross would be a Tiger.
>>27942409
T34, IS1-4, T-10, etc. - they all look much better than Shermans and quite intimidating. There are enough ugly russian tanks, but none of them have any claim to fame.
>>27937262
>No chode-gun like the Sherman
Centurion would have been a useful addition in late WWII.
I'm sure a few less Sherman tanks would have been an acceptable loss.
Hindsight.
>>27937077
Well that Is just your personal opinion. I think It's a sexy looking tank, not the sexiest, but sure enough sexy.
>>27942747
It's not like the Maus and the King Tiger were used much, let alone that they are fairly known now. Also you forgot the StuG.
not even the ugliest american tank senpai
over
>>27942747
T34 is well known in general, I'm not sure what kind of people you are thinking about that would know a Panzer but not a T34
>>27946361
you called
>>27944124
I can agree with that.
People who know a little bit about WWII who aren't quite initiated with basic stuff think all "Nazi tanks" are called "Panzers" and envision Tigers or an old American surplus tank dressed up to look like a Tiger.
>>27946654
The M3 / Grant / This thing are cool looking in an ugly way.
>>27946563
If the Pershing wasn't bogged down by politics, it would have been an asset as well.
>>27942902
>The population is slightly bigger than the 18-21 age group.
No, it's not. Every generation is packed with ignorant people, and unignorant people. The unignorant people all know quite a bit about WW2, at least enough to form an opinion as to who the greatest contributor to the victory was (though they'll probably be wrong and say Americans)
>>27942747
I think your numbers are a bit low, but your point is valid.
>>27942181
Îts just a fat badass piece of rolling FUCK YOU. But the one in your pic has a serious lack of track grousers
>a-am I kawaii america-kun?
>>27937077
i think it looks cool
>>27948361
>Muh politics
That is a meme just like Ronson or the Panther being the first MBT.
>>27948606
what's the real story then, Willie?
>>27948740
On the 29th of December 1944 the armoured board decided that the T26 was of unsatisfactory performance since a lot of issues weren't ironed out.
They didn't want it to become the American Panther.
