Shotguns for winter Temperature use / security job.
I picked up a small security job up in Alaska at an oil pumping station and they prefer their guards have a decent shotgun for the various wildlife encounters handy. Never owned a shotgun in my life so this will be a first. (Bolt action owner)
Signing I got about $600 to use for any hottie of my pick. what's a good idea to start looking at?
General shotgun thread.
Obviously 12 gauge
The typical answer lately is either mossberg 500 or the remington 870
be advised: remington quality has been going down lately
>>27936443
>>27936443
I guess one consideration is if your finger fits in the trigger guard with gloves on
Alaska be colder than my ex gfs heart
>>27936442
I picked up a Mossberg 500 tactical 8 shot for a few hundred.
The thing kicks ass, never had a problem.
Tons of after parts for it, and it's a great 12g when dropped down with the pistol grip.
Grab yourself one of those
>>27936447
The Mossberg 500 has the extended guard.
I use gloves as well.
I can post pictures if you'd like for reference?
Might take a minute though
>>27936449
Since its a winter wonderland should I buy some of the dragons breath ammo t go with the dragon dildo ammo?
>>27936456
Are you offering to post pictures of your gloved hand?
YOU SICK FUCK
>>27936442
How the fuck did you get that job? Do they have any openings? I'm stuck downtown Anchorage working the fucking state building unarmed, I would love to tote a shotgun up on the slope.
And a Mossberg 500 would be a good failsafe, easy to use the safety with gloves on. Be aware of condensation, if you come into a warm room from 20 below water will condense inside the gun and freeze when you go back outside sticking the gun up.
>600 dollar budget
>500 and 870 recommended
Fuck that OP get something nice.
>>27936474
Alaska is expensive my man.
The prices your LGS has 500 or 870s will most likely be lower than what they sell for in Alaska
Milk is like 12 dollars a gallon or something
>>27936467
Luck of the draw? Ex girlfriends dad is an pipeline electrician. Mentioned my military service to one of his co workers back when we had been engaged and I was sent an email. Things didn't work out with the wedding planning and we parted. won't go into a sob story boo-hoo shit happens.
I think I'll be keeping it in a bug out bag most times while on my snowmobile or inside the snow coach machine while i escort the electricians and run the patrol routes.
All raise, i know jack shit about shotguns.
>>27936488
>All raise, i know jack shit about shotguns.
"They got a good spread."
Ithaca M37s are my preferred pump gats. Mossberg and Stevens make good stuff too. Remington is iffy, I've seen good ones and complete shit from them. If you can find one, benelli guns are the tits. 590a1 is my first suggestion .
>>27936497
OP here...
Bentley M4 looks like fun, a bit over priced for what I'm seeing online.
>>27936480
Milk is $3 a gallon. And guns are only a little more expensive here.
>Needed a throwaway. 38 for work
>Taurus 815 ultralite for $300
>Oh god, what have I done?
>>27936488
Get one with a full stock, you do NOT want to face down a bear with a HD grip shotgun.
Also, get some good heavy slugs, maybe a barrel with rifle sight, you're only getting one, maybe two shots, make those fuckers count.
Get extreme cold weather lubricant for it, degrease it throughly before applying the new stuff.
If it's in a bag you won't get to it fast enough if you're in a situation where you need it, a condom in the wallet is worthless when you're already blowing your load.
You'll likely never need it, but keep your eyes up and moving and one in the chamber anyway. Remember bears can out run a horse, they are not to be taken lightly.
Oh, and practice with it for the love of god
>Ex military
Yeah, learn to unload it without NDing into a snow berm.
>>27936522
That's because it's a semi auto
Check out the Nova or Supernova, they're pump action. Dunno how well they'd do in extreme cold, though.
>>27936547
They do well if you completely degrease them and mind the condensation.
Also, artillery stroking is useful.
Benelli Nova for muh 3.5" chamber
Stop being a half stepping faggot and get an AR chambered in 458 socom. There's ya some bear protection right there my frozen nutsack friend
>>27936442
Go for the Mossberg 500.
You cannot go wrong with that, period
>>27936586
>>27936467
>>27936456
>>27936449
>>27936443
Looks like OP should get a 500.
>Cheap
>Consistent QC
>Cold weather/gloves compatible
>>27936557
>artillery stroking
Wuzzat?
>>27936582
OP if your job allows it, Radical Firearms has AR-15s in 12.7x42 and .458SOCOM. The uppers are listed at about $400 right now, which would give you enough left over to buy a decent completed lower, or build one yourself.
>>27936557
I concur with the supernova. They also take 3.5 inch loads, so it'll be nice for when the bears inevitably want to kill you.
>>27936604
Plus 1 for 458. Do it man. Do it.
Radical firearms is awesome I live 30 minutes from their store I'm in there all the time
>>27936604
If you can't get the pump un-stuck against your shoulder you grip the pump tight and slam the butt of the gun on the ground, usually works.
>>27936635
Ah. I've always heard that referred to as mortaring.
>>27936636
Same method, different term. That's just what I call it.
Really good to know in the cold when the bolt can get frozen shut.
>>27936442
Bolt action shotgun
JC Higgins is a good brand
Saiga 12
>>27936604
I personally walnut trust an AR to save my live. My 308 is by far superior than any AR set up Socom or not.
>>27936557
Not OP, but how about one of those corrosion-resistant marine models?
>>27936442
Mossberg 500's safety has reliability issues. I like the double claw extractor though. Also probably easier to use with gloves. I would go with a rem 870 with the large safety, or a 590 with the metal safety.
Whatever way you go, buying used is a good option.
>>27936442
vepr 12
Get a non-converted Saiga-12
>>27936531
>a condom in the wallet is worthless when you're already blowing your load.
/k/ at its finest
>>27936488
>literally going to marry someone
>wedding planned went bad so we parted
i just don't understand people. if the relationship was so fucking weak, how could you ever get to the point of planning marriage?
Benelli supernova. Wonderful wonderful guns, 2 3/4 up to 3 1/2.
590a1 with ghost ring sights, buy Brenneke black magic magnum rounds for it.
>>27936773
And what 308 would that be
>>27936442
870 marine magnum. Check and see if they make a larger trigger guard for it. Get a flashlight, sling and possibly a red dot for it.
>>27936442
I always say use a Gas Piston or Blow Back Shotgun like a Benelli M2 or M4, and they are already made of aluminum and plastic so they won't rust but they have H20 variants
however, if you insist on pump the Super Nova with Comfor Tech has a large trigger guard that will be better for gloved hands and you can add extensions for more capacity and a clamp for light.
http://www.benelliusa.com/supernova-tactical-pump-shotgun
Also, amazingly enough, this finely made Italian pump shotgun can be had cheaper than Mossberg or Rustbucket...I mean Remington.
As for fearing gas, The Benelli M2 and M4 are combat proven and are almost Glock or AKM levels of reliable.
Another vote for Mossberg 500.. i have its poor plastic cousin, the Maverick 88, and I basically shoot it and put it away. I've had it a year (this is my 1st shotgun) and I don't think i've ever cleaned it.
A few thoughts on shotguns:
-it's easy as shit to stationary targets. Moving targets (like trap) require some training b/c the shotgun shot/ball/slug moves much slower than a rifle bullet (1/2 to 1/3 as fast). If you will rely on it to protect you from moving animals, definitely practice shooting moving targets.
-I shoot trap a bit, and every semi-auto shotgun shooter I've spoken to has had to tune their gun OR choose a specific type of shell and stick with it for reliability. A semi-auto that works reliably on slug or buck may FTE on low-recoil buck or bird shot. If this is your 1st, and life-or-death type gun, i'd definitely go with pump action b/c you're the one feeding rounds. It doesn't matter if something fails to shoot or has low pressure, you just pump it and you're ready for the next shot.
-exchangeable barrels are awesome. The Mossberg 500/Maverick 88 only need a single hand tightened knob to change barrels. You can have a long vent rib barrel for hunting or long range, a rifled slug barrel for slugs, and a super short home defense barrel all in the same bag, and it takes 30 seconds to swap them out. The gun also becomes quite short when broken down (easy to transport)
-look into a recoil reducing pad if you're going to shoot a lot of high power loads (full power slugs/00 buck, or the 3" magnum shells or whatever). That shit is fine for a few shots, but go through a box and your shoulder will feel it. Bird shot is a pleasure to shoot in comparison.
The real question is Rifled barrel or Smooth... hmmm
>>27937256
This. Do this
>>27937317
Can you shoot normal buckshot and shit from a rifled barrel?
>>27937287
combat proven with combat loads though, right? or do they say it's 100% reliable with whatever you put through it?
if it's a personal shotgun, you may want to shoot other loads through it (bird or target as an example), and a semi-auto in my limited experience tends to be picky
>>27936442
$600? I'd look for a semi-auto if you can get one that cheap. Be that guy everyone wants to be at work.
>>27937330
I mean, you can; but everyone bitches about ruining the rifling(which i doubt) but it does change the characteristics of the shot quite a bit. A lot less predictable and sometimes more of a doughnut spread shot.
>>27937230
People change. You wouldn't know that sitting in your basement though.
>>27936442
Make sure you have one with a big ass trigger guard
>>27936442
Your biggest issue is going to be a man who goes by the name of Snake. He's really good at CQC so don't let him get too close on you. Literally rapidly walk in a giant circle as fast as you can for the best chances of spotting him, and don't forget to ALWAYS be on your radio 24/7 with HQ. Follow these instructions and you will be invincible.
>>27937256
This is what I would take going to Alaska
ORRRRRRRR
OP could be a normal alaskan and get a marlin guide gun. Dat lever action though.
>>27936442
Mossberg 930 JM series
>>27937424
>People change
>wanna get married
>plan marriage
>break up
That's not an awful long time.
>>27936466
MODS MODS MODS
>>27936595
>>27937256
590A1, fuck the 500s plastic parts
Winchester SXP
>>27937256
OP do this. This is the right Goddamn answer. Anon beat me to it. Get the mariner if you can, though.
It really should've been the first reply. /k/, get it together, y'all.
Give me your fucking job.
>>27936467
>living in a place where this can happen
jesus how much must you hate yourself to live in such hell?
>>27939609
I live in Montana, same thing can happen here in winter when it's -20 or so. Some things are worth it though.
What wildlife encounters? I didn't know deer attempted to rob oil pumping stations.
>>27937256
590A1 for sure, and get wood replacement stocks from somewhere like Numrich. The plastic they use for a lot of parts on the normie 500 become very brittle in the cold. In Illinois, in -15F weather, I had my stock crack when I shot a round of fucking light #4 at a turkey so that is why I suggest the wood.
Plus, you gotta admit, this thing is sexy. This one isn't mine but its is VERY similar.
>>27939644
Grizzly bears, polar bears, moose, wolves
>>27936442
Mossberg 590 or 590a1, whichever has metal parts. Plastic gets brittle in cold weather before metal does.
>>27939667
My comment still applies.
>>27939682
>>27939682
all of those animals can be very territorial and can become accustomed to humans and associate them with food
>>27939682
>you clearly don't live in the country
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h1XlsskYmY
Well, you gonna grill anything you catch?
>>27939755
The whole encounter would have been avoided had the guy turned around.
He's a perfect example of what not to do.
>>27939287
Not him, but a lot of the aspects of a person that haven't been revealed before can come out during the period between proposing and marriage. Time and time again, it's seen that one person can become much more controlling than they ever were before and start making unreasonable demands for the relationship.
This is shown plenty on /k/. Every month, we have a new thread about a guy proposing to his long term gf and suddenly she demands that he sell all his guns and never buy anymore half way through planning the wedding.
>>27936442
This OP >>27937256
![snowgrey[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ag6xOcw.jpg "snowgrey[1].jpg")
>>27936442
This is what real Alaskan operators use
>>27939777
>Turning your back to an angry animal ever
Its like you want to get seriously hurt and or killed
>>27939755
Holy fucking shit this has got to be the most metal thing i've seen all week. What was the glawk chambered in?
>muh stopping power works on a moose
Get a Mossberg 500/590. Or a Benelli Nova.
Get a med/large frame revolver in .357mag, .44mag or .454 Casull
bam, ready for Alaskan Wilderness
>>27936443
>>27936595
The 500 is great. Personally, I went a bit cheaper and nabbed the maverick 88, 20" barrel, 8+1 capacity. For $200 it wasn't bad.
You have my vote for either, OP.
>>27939755
>all that meat for free
>or $1 in ammo
>>27939870
It got angry because he approached, no idea what he was riding on but turning around with the gun draw would have been suggestible but then again free meat, I guess.
>>27941900
>have no idea what hes riding on but suggest turning around
>narrow roads
>large angry animal
>doesnt live in the country
i bet you think you can communicate directly with nature from your basement as long as you wear nothing but ripped up yellowish gray briefs that are a size too large.
>>27937287
i just bought a benelli nova tactical it is a awesome shotgun
>>27941900
>turning a snowmobile around
>while a pissed off animal is approaching
>"j-just have ur gun out while doing so anon"
You must have allot of experience with these situations from all your own personal account huh?
>>27936449
Personally I hate pistol grips on mossbergs. Completely fucks up the perfect slide release placement and makes it 100x more awkward.
>>27936443
870 wingmaster owner here
Get the 500. The QC isdue cant be overstated.
>>27936442
Shop around and if you're willing to throw in an extra 100, grab a VEPR 12.
Super reliable, you can get steel mags which function flawlessly and if shit really hits it, having the ability to quickly load 6 more shells is better than having to thumb them in.
>>27939873
10mm
>>27942159
*issue
>>27942073
Backup then.
>>27939448
Second SXP as another good option
>>27939755
What a piece of shit he just left it there to die. That moose has more of a right to be there than you do.
>>27937230
It was a little more complicated than that... Miscarriage (was not the reason to marriage situation before anyone asks...)
>>27937270
Not same poster but I'm partial to my Tikka 308
Anyone have thoughts on Beretta Shot guns????
>>27945147
They're nice but pumps are recommended for places that have weather constraints.
Mossberg 590(replace factory mag spring)
H&R Pardner Pump or IAC Hawk 982
One of the above. Load with Brenneke slugs or similar.
>>27936635
>>27936636
>>27936646
I've done this before with ARs. Works pretty well, don't see why it wouldn't work with a shotgun either.
>>27936442
Personally I have used my Franchi Predator at -31 fahrenheit. It was a quick trip, even my dog was freezing. Franchi offers 7 year warranty over here in europe at least, so if your gun malfunctions and you get eaten by a bear at least your widdowed wife can get a new shotgun.
Dont think you can go wrong with a mossberg or an old remington. My grandfather got a remington 870 in the 50s/60s. Still works, great gun.
>>27939856
That finish. Ditch the rails. Replace the plastic with Walnut or Oak, maybe Cork. It'd look fantastic...
>>27936442
Pump: Benelli supernova
Semi: Stoeger 3500
Those are the only things you should even consider in that price range.
>>27944403
He obviously didn't want to fucking shoot it. Jesus christ. I hope a moose stomps your fucking skull in.
>>27937407
I use a fig8 wad for my buckshot; through a smooth barrel (18.5 Cyl bore) it holds a pattern very nicely at 15 to 20 yards. But when I put the same hand load through my rifled barrel the pattern is fucking huge at 7 yards.
Demo Ranch did a test a while back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT4k5pZjDhE
>>27937256
this
>>27936442
If its going to be used against wildlife, choosing a shotgun is pretty stupid. A bolt-action with an intermediate cartridge will take care of pretty much anything, whereas shooting a bear or an elk with a shotgun could potentially be a bad idea.
>>27946843
Brenneke slugs.
>>27936442
The 590 Mariner sounds like what you need.
http://www.mossberg.com/product/590-mariner-9-shot-50299/
resistant to the elements, and reliable 500 action
>>27943615
Shut up. It needed to die.
>>27939665
What extended mag tube did you get?
>>27946868
Black Magic Magnum
https://youtube.com/watch?v=aRHmDaDnwDU
>inb4 kek jokes
>>27947291
Looks like Mossberg's standard 8 rounder.
>>27939624
I miss Montana--beautiful land up there, visited back in 2007. Landed in Kalispell and just drove all around the state and up to Alberta.
>tfw stuck in California until getting medical license
>>27939665
>wood furniture set on a 590
Oh wow, that looks fine. Where do they sell wood sets like that for Mossies?
>>27939665
Wood looks amazing. The flat black kills it for me though. Bluing would look so much better.
>>27946843
Bold action, intermediate cartridge rifle better at taking out dangerous wild game than a shotgun.
Son you are disappoint!
