Good-Cop, Bad-Cop is probably the most famous interrogation technique. But how effective is it in real life?
hollywood really dramatizes it, but it works pretty well. one guy lists off all the charges and comes on really strong with threats of consecutive sentencing and fines and shit, then the other guy is willing to cut a deal. it makes squealing for the deal seem like the best way to go. oh and its never done with both of the cops in the same room. thats just stupid.
>>27932351
Always works better if you pick up two perps. You might think to yourself you won't crack but the other guy? That suspicion leads to conviction.
>>27932351
still works really well
they more commonly use an interviewing officer as a good cop, and various administration and escort police as bad cops
everyone talks to the police, they think they will get a more lenient sentence, can't handle the pressure, falls of the moral arguments like "you can do the right thing now by confessing", also 80% of people in a police cell are guilty of an easily provable offense
people still don't get lawyers, I've never understood why
other techniques the police employ with great success
1. threatening to ask everyone the person knows about the crime, humiliating them
2. making the suspect think they will be ratted out
3. pretening they have evidence when they don't
4. keeping constant preassure on the suspect, their aim is for the suspect to speak without thinking, to which end they will ask anything that they think will get an instant response
>>27932351
so remember kids, you have the right to remain silent. USE IT. lawyer up ASAP and for the love of god, NEVER EVER EVER take the deal.
you have the right to not aid in your own prosecution. the burden of proof is on them.
>>27932521
5. Do the thing like in BB where the undercover cop tells the dealer that if he were an undercover cop he would have to tell him and since he didn't he can't arrest him. But then he arrests him.
>>27932524
5th Amendment fug yeah
>>27932524
This
>>27932351
Copfag here. It works all the time.
A lot of people who think they are tough and have streets smarts fold like a cheap lawn chair when they actually confronted with a solid line of questioning.
Providing that you prepare properly with a decent interview map, have your evidence squared away and witness statements, you are good to go. It's a tactic that you use and must have a contingency plan if it fails. Sadly some dumbfucks I work with use it as their only means of interrogation.
BTW Screaming "we got you" and "confess" will get your case thrown out of court if you have a decent lawyer. There is a whole lot more to conducting a legal and probative interview than that.
>>27936060
Get fucked pig.
>>27936794
Uppercut yourself, cunt.
>>27936060
Continue when prompted, please.
>>27932351
Its effective, especially on younger/newer offenders who arent used to the system and are scared shitless from what they hear about prison. They think we cant lie, they think that we will be truthful with them, and they usually dont remember that they can ask for a lawyer.
When they lawyer up is when it fails, if theyre an older guy or have been in and out for prison for say 3+ years then its not gonna work either
I could pull in a guy on a murder charge and tell him his banger buddies rolled on him, theyre getting reduced sentences for their cooperation, and if he wants any chance of seeing his mother again in the next 30 years he just has to tell me what the others already told me after my partner lays into him a bit about fucking around with us, lying to us, yelling how we pulled in the guns and every other homie in the city and wont stop until his tight ass is gonna need PC etc etc.
The shit works.
>>27936842
And this is how we get false confessions.
>>27936849
we dont do it without evidence, sometimes what you have is solid but your witness isnt going to be 100% in court and could fuck up the case or something, a confession is always the best route, even if they get a reduced sentence theyre still in jail for their crime
>>27936794
Kek!! Is that all you got buddy? I already got the first hook into you..... won't even have to get the WD-40 to loosen up the deck chair.
>>27936812
Main thing is to remember that an interview is should be only find facts and confirm the truth of the matter. It is the justice system that finds someone guilty, not the cops. Like I said before, unfortunately some dumbfucks I work with think they are out to establish the guilt of the suspect. This will always taint a a proper interview.
>>27936872
Whilst most of the time the outcome is fine.
Guilty as fuck dindu confesses and saves the public a shitload of money.
Other times the person thinks they are screwed for something they didn't do, don't get independent legal advice and go confess to hopefully reduce the sentence they think is inevitable.
>>27932351
>this whole thread
daily reminder that if you ever commit or are accused of committing a crime SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET A LAWYER. there is no scenario where opening your dumbfuck mouth will help you.
Just ask a cop, what do you want me to say?
Here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
I spoke to the cops today, and it worked really well
one of them immediately started strongly asking what drugs I was on because I was having a panick attack
and the other guy was really nice
I wonder if they were doing it on purpose, because at that point I would have told him anything
>>27936890
From a copfag - This is best advice. Just make sure lawyer actually knows his shit. I've had more than a few of them ask me what they can and can't do in an interview or to explain the process before we started. Kinda knew I had the advantage when that happened. Billy-Joe the family real-estate and brokerage lawyer is not a good choice. Get a lawyer who is across criminal matters and has a sound understanding of bail and bond, and initial appearance legal process. Most worth their salt can almost instantly get charges reduced, reclassified or even dropped.
>>27936060
I hear you get a ton of false positives with the good bad cop route though, people confessing to shit they didn't actually do
>>27936965
Who cares whether or not they did it? If they confess, that's good enough.
Interrogations are bullshit, and lead to false confessions.
The brits came into the 21st century in 1984 with PACE, and now PACE interviews, and countries like Australia followed.
Meanwhile in the USA, good cop bad cop bullshit, false admissions etc etc.
>>27936992
ok?
but that means you still are getting a lot of TRUE confessions
>>27936878
ok? 90% of cases are ended in guilty pleas, which are just confessions.
The system would be overwhelmed if they had to investigated & try every single criminal.
>>27936991
not just because you send an innocent man to prison , but because the real threat remains at large.
You put the wrong man behind bars , the right one goes on committing crimes.
>>27937042
Who cares? That 10% is usually minor charges and it ensures the system keeps dropping jamal and his friends in prison. Like the others have said, nobody gets detained without some evidence pointing to them.
>>27937056
Who cares? That 10% cares. They know they dindu nuffin.
>ever wondered where that black "fuck the police" attitude comes from?
>>27937095
They're criminals (convicted criminals) that hate it when they can't get away with their bullshit
>>27936991
>If they confess, that's good enough.
We secret police kangaroo court now?
>>27937095
>>27937042
Too late, but he's fucking with you right now. Talk to a cop (at least the not fucked ones), and they'll tell you that the worst thing that can happen is convicting an innocent person...in Canada at least.
>literally undermines the integrity and very fabric of the justice system
>>27937127
And nobody cares, makes a news article that gets read again the next day, or starts a committee to geg to the bottom of it.
>All things that happen when convictions drop because we're tiptoeing around interviews.
It's an accepted standard, you scoop up 90% of the problems, a few 'innocent' people that may not have done this crime, but are still a stain on society get picked up in the net, and everyone in the department still has a job tomorrow.
>>27932351
I prefer my technique of tying a person to a chair and making them watch kitty snuff films while listening to chumbawamba's TubThumping.
I'm a detective on an Intel/Gang Task Force detective and I think that Good Cop, Bad Cop is the stupidest approach ever. I've taken around 15 interviews and interrogations classes and learned from some of the best in the country. Guys who would, just for fun, show us that they could make the students in the class admit to just about whatever they wanted them to. The most important thing is giving them a way out. Talk about the serious accusations and minimize them to the point where they feel as if they are defending their choices with what they believe to be sound reasoning. Build rapport and then explain that you know that they reallyt the end of the day, if they confess to doing it, reason doesn't matter. They still admitted to doing it. I had one yesterday in which I got the suspect to, out of his own mouth, tell me that he saw the man he chased with a gun drop the gun and he was chasing it down to give it back to him when it accidentally went off twice. I'd run an ATF e-trace on the gun, which returned to the suspect's step father Now, you and I know this is the stupidest thing we've ever heard, and when his defense attorney reads the written statement that he signed that reads to that effect, he will plea to whatever the DAs office wants.
Catch more flies with honey, OP.
And yes, criminals go free all the time. It sucks, but that's the nature of the game. The worst thing that could possibly happen is for an innocent person to go to jail. I'm not about that shit.
I'm a detective on an Intel/Gang Task Force detective and I think that Good Cop, Bad Cop is the stupidest approach ever. I've taken around 15 interviews and interrogations classes and learned from some of the best in the country. Guys who would, just for fun, show us that they could make the students in the class admit to just about whatever they wanted them to. The most important thing is giving them a way out. Talk about the serious accusations and minimize them to the point where they feel as if they are defending their choices with what they believe to be sound reasoning. Build rapport and then explain that you know that they really DIDN'T MEAN TO DO IT OR WANT TO DO IT. PRESENT ALTERNATE STORIES IN WHICH IT WAS ACCIDENTAL OR THEY ARE ACTUALLY THE VICTIM HERE. At the end of the day, if they confess to doing it, reason doesn't matter. They still admitted to doing it. I had one yesterday in which I got the suspect to, out of his own mouth, tell me that he saw the man he chased with a gun drop the gun and he was chasing it down to give it back to him when it accidentally went off twice. I'd run an ATF e-trace on the gun, which returned to the suspect's step father Now, you and I know this is the stupidest thing we've ever heard, and when his defense attorney reads the written statement that he signed that reads to that effect, he will plea to whatever the DAs office wants.
Catch more flies with honey, OP.
And yes, criminals go free all the time. It sucks, but that's the nature of the game. The worst thing that could possibly happen is for an innocent person to go to jail. I'm not about that shit.
UPDATE: PART OF MY LAST WAS CUT OUT SOMEHOW. ALL CAPS IS CORRECTIONS
Only talk to a cop if you know you are guilty as fuck, it is not a major crime, and there is a spoken or unspoken agreement that if you are cooperative that they will let you go.
>>27932351
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>>27937314
Ahh, I see. One of those intelectual types, huh?
>>27937314
*nods head in agreement*
>>27937291
This shit right here is why the 5th exists.
>But if you don't talk you'll look guilty
Fuck that and fuck you, I'm not playing an unwinnable game.
>>27932521
Unfortunately, people think that asking for a lawyer and using their right to remain silent makes them look guilty when it is just common sense.
So, are cops pretty much just trying to get a conviction out of anyone they bring in?
>>27937385
yes
Sure there are some decent cops who actually will try dig deep but there are some that find a suspect and call it a day
>>27937389
So, lawyer up the second you get to the station?
>>27937355
It's a winnable game. People naturally want to tell you and get it off their chest. If the guy hadn't done it, he would not have given me a bullshit story to explain all the evidence away. Had he not been there and not done it, he wouldn't have told me that bullshit. Why do criminals being caught doing bad shit worry people? I don't randomly snatch people up and get them to admit to shit and lock them up. I cut more deals and work with people than anyone in my department, even though I get more confessions.
>>27937385
No. I thought I just addressed this. Cops want the truth, and while I can't speak for everyone, I've done my homework before I'm talking to you. If you didn't do it, my method of alternate explainations for the suspect's actions only gives a suspect a chance to confessand explain away all the evidence against them without looking as bad in their own eyes. Someone who did nothing wrong will not do this.
>>27937390
Yes, everything from a dui to a triple rape/murder/Satan sacrifice.
Shut the fuck up and ask for a lawyer.
>>27937423
Like sacrificing Satan?
>>27937390
Even at a stop, if it's something like a dui. Shut up but ask for a blood test. Breathalyzers and other FSTs are designed to be failed. You will not talk a cop into letting you go if he wants to bring you in, but the cop doesn't need to be convinced. That's for the court.
Shut up, and lawyer up.
>>27936060
How do I file a complaint about an officer? Is there a form or something I have to fill out? Can I do it anomalously?
>>27937476
>anomalously
How scary
>>27937476
Anonymous complaints have the teeth of a comment card at a restaurant.
>>27937502
What if the person is worried that the complaint might result in harassment from police if he puts his name on it?
>>27937518
Well thems the breaks. If you're going to do something that will get you an enemy, you can't be surprised when it actually results in an enemy occurring.
>>27932351
meh, its not really depicted in a "real way"
demonstrating a "narrative" of how fucked someone is and then providing a confession as a "way out" is better than getting a lawyer or shutting their mouth, incriminating statements are said from people just explaining "what happened" half the time
peoples girlfriends also love to run their mouth
you'll get a plea deal if someone is actually in jail
>>27937154
>implying you know a stain on society from the one on your shirt
>>27932389
> its never done with both of the cops in the same room. thats just stupid.
Not true. I once legally sold my XD-9 to someone who sold it to a highschool kid. Both cops interrogated me at the same time, but it was more like bad cop worse cop
>>27932351
Cops don't give a shit who committed the crime. They want to clear the books and get a promotion, and will happily frame you to do it.
The only thing you should ever tell a cop is "I WANT A LAWYER".
>>27937710
I blame all that cop music they listen too.
>>27937701
>Cop:1 Why are you selling nines to dirtbags, dirtbag!?
>cop 2:WHY ARE YOU SLINGING HEAT TO NIGGERS ANON, YOU THINK THATS FUNNY CUNT!?
>>27932351
The IRA back in the 70's put out what was called the "Green Book" which sort of outlined their doctrine but there was a big section devoted to how to handle an interrogation.
The good cop/bad cop is pretty true but like >>27932389 said its dramatized.
For example, in the "Green Book" they describe that one cop might come in (alone) and be like, "Look I really want to help you, I sympathize with you and I really don't want to see you get hurt. The next guy that comes in here is a real bastard..." etc etc you get where this is going.
>>27932351
if you read the human recourse exploitation manuals and shit from MKultra then you see that interrogation is quite ineffective if the interogatee has good foreknowledge about the process.
in the human recourse exploitation manual they tell you that you cannot give any single bit of info away to your interogatee. and you have to have good background info on the interogatee, you cant just pick people from the street and interrogate them. you need to threaten their families and shit like that. you need to give the image that you know everything about the interogatee and the history of their life otherwise it will not work. if you need to change methods of interrogation too often the interogatee becomes more confident and resistant.
if you are not en established intelligence agency interrogation is stupid.
>>27938022
also if you have to use "softening up techniques" which it is called in the human recourse exploitation manual. then you can go to jail for a long time because sodomy and sexual abuse are stated to be good ways of softening the interogatee up. later in the manual you see things as "interrogation" i mean they pretend like its not an actual interrogation but an "interrogation" it refers to torture.
>>27938073
I thought the go to technique for information collection during the cold war was locking someone up in a windowless room with no clock until they'd crack
>>27938095
yeah this was in there too. it can take a long time though. it looks like they tried a bunch of shit.
>>27938102
....can you direct me to these "softening up" techniques, they sound interesting... because of reasons
I would like to read them.... later
>>27937008
>ok? 90% of cases are ended in guilty pleas, which are just confessions.
>The system would be overwhelmed if they had to investigated & try every single criminal.
That's also because they funnel you into pleading guilty. They put you up to a harsh sentence, then offer a slap on the wrist if you plea guilty. If you fight, they make an example out of you, if you cooperate, you get catch-and-release.
The end result is obvious. Yes, it saves time and money and takes stress off the justice system. But it also means we don't have a justice system 90% of the time. People that are innocent don't fight their charges because they are afraid of losing, and people that are guilty get punished less than they should as a thank you from the state for saving resources.
>>27938210
or you could just not be a pussy....
>>27938230
What part of the justice system coasting through their duty and giving criminals wrist slaps so they can go home is brave?
>>27937385
If the cops brought you in, its cause they think youre guilty and are looking to hang you with anything you say. Do not talk to them. PERIOD.
>>27938305
I was talking about the "innocent" suspects that curl up into a ball because scary men are all up in their shit
>>27938329
Oh I wasn't talking about the interrogation, I meant the whole process
Public defenders are shit, and if you don't have money for a real lawyer there's real pressure to take that deal
>>27938152
you can download the human resource exploitation manual on the pirate bay.
>>27938412
pffft, maybe if you're like 18
I've been arrested before and nothing came out of it because I am white. Basically, be white if you want to be innocent in the justice system.
>>27938429
Not true at all.
The justice system is just for white people. Black people just get gunned down by the cops. Haven't you been watching the news?
#BlackLivesMatter
>>27932539
I don't recall that episode of Brady Bunch..
>>27938425
You sound like the biggest brown noser
>>27938425
I bet you think that being innocent of crimes costs you no money at all, too. I suggest you watch John Oliver's Last Week Tonight bit on Public Defenders. I know it's biased, but the meat and potatoes are good facts. Our justice system is very broken, but not for the reasons Obama thinks.
>>27938473
Just curious, who do we blaming this on? Cops?
>>27938466
>>27938473
Im not going to admit to a crime I didnt commit and go to jail because im broke
>>27938483
It's a mixture of shitty and/or overworked cops, overworked and/or underpaid staff, bureaucratic stupidity, and lack of funding. The system needs fixing, but the population shares some of the blame for not giving a shit and letting things get worse. People only care about these kinds of things only after it happens to them.
>>27938528
>the population shares some of the blame for not giving a shit and letting things get worse. People only care about these kinds of things only after it happens to them.
Welcome to democracy.
It's tough to hold anybody accountable when fundamentally, everyone is.
>>27938543
this isnt a democracy
Say someone was urinating in bottles and throwing them onto someones property. How much trouble could that person get into?
>>27938551
It's close enough.
Ultimately the voters are responsible, but they aren't doing their job. And there's no check or balance on them. The weakest link in the chain is the average voter. If he's uninformed or uncaring, the whole system will falter, and there's no way to fix it, because there's no system for holding voters accountable.
>>27938497
Sad thing is that a lot of people do because many public defenders do not have enough time to properly prepare and argue your case so the best option is to take a deal. If you're broke you can't hire any decent lawyer, can you? Representing yourself in court is an option, but you'd be better off hiring that space chicken from Futurama as your lawyer.
>>27938564
>shitty and/or overworked cops, overworked and/or underpaid staff, bureaucratic stupidity, and lack of funding
this is a voter's responsibility... how again?
>>27938597
The voters aren't educated about these issues and keep electing representatives who do nothing about it.
>>27938551
>>27938564
I wasn't making a jab at democracy, as that's another bag of shit, but a jab at how our the general population is fat and complacent. If they cared, there would be public outcry to fix the system, or it wouldn't need fixing because the public would ensure that it would never get broken. But, they don't. They're content on shoving processed foods in their faces, blaming their diabetes on the things that aren't their poor impulse control, and getting their education from CNN and Honey Boo Boo, or whatever reality show bullshit is popular. We're in a bad stretch, but the good news is that most of us will be around when nature decides to press the "correct" button. Bad news is that some of us won't be there at the end.
>>27938619
representatives do nothing but exclaim about how they're going to fix everything, and how better off we'd be if we vote for them or donate to their campaign and how horrible it will be if you let the other guy win by voting for a decent candidate that happens to be third party
Is there ever a time when talking to a cop in a questioning, whether guilty or not, could be beneficial?
I'm asking this seriously.
>>27932351
There are no good cops.
>>27938657
Ultimately this is the voters' fault. It's their job to find the one representative who's not an asshole. They've been failing at it for decades.
>>27938662
giving an alibi would be beneficial. Or to refute obviously false evidence such as "I couldn't have raped her or I would lose my wizard status".
>>27938662
when its about a crime someone else commited and not commenting on something you dont know about is somehow illegal
>>27938685
yes, because voting decides laws, implementation, budgets, and funding allocation
>>27938557
Bump
>>27938707
>representatives fail to do their job
>voters fail to remove them
>>27937120
>We secret police kangaroo court now?
>>27938657
“Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough.”
― Frédéric Bastiat
>>27938718
>regional court system is put on hold until the verdict comes in on the governors office recount
>>27937792
Well it obviously never worked great, MI5, the RUC Special Branch, along with their SAS hunter killer teams were always like 20 steps in front of them.
>>27932351
If this a general interrogation thread here is another good one-
During the gulf war the Americans would frequently "mix up" Iraqis, so some chicken shit NCO would be getting accused of some crime he didn't actually do.
"What do you mean your not Jabar Al-Muhammed who did XYZ? Well if you aren't him who are you? Oh you're Jabal Al-Mohammad? Well what were you doing at the time XYZ happened? Man that's pretty stiff time for XYZ."
Just make them think they are going to be held responsible for XYZ and they will sing to ABC as their alibi. Essentially, make them confess to a less severe thing rather to cover themselves from a big thing.
>>27938759
Worked well enough.
>>27938557
Intel/Gang Detective here. In the State of Georgia, it would be Criminal Tresspass and Littering. Perhaps any number of small violations the officer could think of cause that's disgusting and stupid if the wrong guy works it. Do it at night and catch Lotering/Prowling, wear a hoodie and get Wearing A Hood To Conceal Identity. Terroristic Acts, Disorderly Conduct, and Reckless Conduct could also work, but would be a stretch.
>>27938799
how about an officer just slaps him upside the head and yell "WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM?"
>>27938818
That should happen, but I thought he was asking about charges... And you run the risk of getting your ass kicked by the property owner.
>>27938818
The person is under alot of stress from school and always being a good too shoes never getting in trouble with the law. Throwing pee allows this person to relieve stress.
>>27938881
he should go find a girlfriend
>>27938881
School is stressful for everyone. Throwing piss is retarded. Someone should watch him because if School is that stressful, he's really gonna be fucked up when the real world hits him.
>>27932351
Its more "stern asshole cop vs relaxed informal cop"
(Former) copfag here.
If I ever started an interview off by throwing a chair at a wall or punching a desk and screaming I would probably be reprimanded for unprofessional behavior.
Some stuff people get wrong about interrogations all the time (keep in mind were talking about serious crimes like rape, murder, arson etc)
1: the cops come in, layout all thier evidence to confront the killer, he lies, gets caught a few times, and then goes "ALL RIGHT, YOU GOT ME, I DID IT!" yeah. That never happens. Why would we show our evidence to somebody and give them a chance to lie about it?
2: 90% of the time there isnt a confession anyways. Interrogations arent about confessions, theyre about getting an official testimony to use in court, mostly so when they change thier story and lie on stand we have a way to prove it.
3: Cops used to be waaaaaay less professional than today, which is where most of that "innocent guy gets interrogated for 23 hours and after the 3rd time the cops shoved the stapler up his ass he signed a confession just to get away from them" stuff comes from decades ago. There still ARE dipshit cops and shitty departments but for the most part the police force is becoming an increasingly technical thing. Shit, when I started 10 years ago a cop with a college degree was unheard of. Now its practically a requirement. But, like anywhere, dipshits slip in time to time.
4: theres a BIG difference between an INTERVIEW and an INTERROGATION. Most people have no idea what that is.
5: Most people vastly overestimate thier ability to lie. Cops and investigators get lied to all day every day, dont lie, lawyer up. Lawyers lie to people all day every day, they will do a better job than you at it.
>>27938935
This guy has it right. You retire or just get out? How long? I'm in my 6th year.
>>27932351
In Iraq whenever guys wouldn't talk we'd shrug and say we'd turn them over to the Iraqi Army.
Then they started to sing,
>>27938910
IDK that person was in the military and loved it, but school is a bitch.
>>27938981
maybe he should go be an alcoholic or paint graffiti or watever normal maladjusted teens do
>>27932351
the best technique is Good cop, bad cop, CSI team finding material evidence to build a solid case in the court room.
>>27939022
A lot of forensics is nonsense.
>>27938981
Well, I would recomend that person find different ways to cope.
>>27938444
it's the one where Mike Brady becomes a meth dealer, usings Bobby's street connections. Jan ends up breaking her nose from an errant football, and Bobby Glass OD's.
>>27938951
Long story. Got into a shooting and it was actually a guy I knew (not a buddy, just a guy I had dealings with, total nutcase)
My department went full retard about it, despite the fact that literally nobody could say it wasnt justified. It was during all that anti cop shit recently so I found myself being treated like a criminal even though the guy I shot was a psycho, so I just quit. I own a mechanic shop so its not like I was doing it cuz I needed money.
Also I just increasingly felt like my leadership were more concerned with protecting thier jobs than taking care of thier own. They started hiring new cops based off of thier ass kissing ability instead of thier competency (wouldnt wanna hire somebody GOOD, they might replace you after all). Idk, it was a complicated decision based on events that unfolded over about a 2 year period.
>>27939074
That seems to be the story everywhere
>>27939088
It didnt help that I heavily suspected somebody in the dept of being dirty. No idea who, just knew somebody was working against drug cases sometimes.
While I was dealing with the fallout from the shooting I made a decent drug bust. Not huge, but I caught a guy with a few ounces of meth, but he worked for a local family that is big on the drug buisiness (they organize everything but never directly touch it so we can bust dealers all day long and still never get shit done)
So I complete the case, and take the evidence down to the evidence vault. Get a receipt for the transfer. Case is on tuesday. Monday morning sheriff calls me in to his office. "ALL THE EVIDENCE FOR THE CASE IS GONE, YOU LOST IT!!!"
"reciepts here bossman. I turned it in. It wasnt ME who "LOST" it"
He shits bricks. All hell breaks loose. The evidence just "turns up" on the wrong shelf. Lawyer challenges the evidence rightly claiming we lost chain of custody on it so its not valid. Guy gets off. Two weeks later "kidnaps" a 15 year old girl (she was a little cunt who ran off with him but claimed it was a kidnapping to get out of trouble). just got so sick of every little thing turning into a giant political clusterfuck. I dont care about politics or promotion jockeying, but being treated like a rival just cuz I do my job is a bunch of bullshit I dont need.
Now I have 8 mechanics working in my shop where the biggest political debate is copenhagen vs skoal, or ford vs chevy. Its nice.
>>27932351
it seems to work really well if you just shout at them lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNPQC6qpLes
>>27939310
My best friend just became a Maricopa County sheriff's deputy. He's just begun to have these sorts of stories.
I don't want some drinking/cards session ten years from now to end with him suggesting Russian roulette cause he can't get the image of a cartel execution out of his head.
Wish he'd just stuck with his family business, but no, guy says he has to "protect people."
>>27937728
there go my sides
It works 85-90 percent of the time with homicide/narco detectives. I was a detective for our Special Investigations Unit i.e. Child trafficking and child sexual exploitation/child prostitution/child sexual abuse/assualt among the trafficked victims. *Child - Male or Female, aged 0 to 17. Sadly, it was mostly females 10-15 years old. I was in charge of getting the victims to talk and to provide us with the information for arrests and finding other victims. That was a completely different approach. Slower, more personal - one on one, getting a rapport and building the connection with the victim along with making him/her feel safe as possible, teaching them basic English if that helped them. Most of them opened up to us within a week since the majority of the interviews were not done in English, but instead in their native languages. We all had to pick out languages that we wanted to learn or improve on. There were very few interpreters for us to go around everywhere and not many of the victims could speak English. Romance(American Spanish dialects/American Portuguese dialects, Romanian). Southern Slavic, Eastern Slavic, Western Slavic. Baltic(Lithuanian and Latvian). Finnic(Estonian) Finno-Ugric(Hungarian), multiple Chinese languages/dialects, Austronesian and Tai-Kadai languages were the majority of languages used. I worked mostly with the Czech, Polish, Slovakian, Slovene, and Serbo-Croatian speakers. I think it helped being a father in that position since the majority of us were.
>>27939558
Are you a native English speaker? You should read what you write out loud, regardless.
>>27939662
No, Welsh is my native language.
I'm surprised people are still willing to be questioned by the police without a lawyer.
If I ever got arrested I would tell them to fuck off and not say shit.
>>27939708
As you should do. But people like to think that they can play a game they have no experience playing cause they've watched Law and Order, or CSI or whatever. Or they think it's all some big misunderstanding and if they can just talk to a reasonable guy, they'll be home before dinner. Or that the cops are good guys, and they're a good guy, so why not talk? Any number of reasons. But they're wrong.
Get arrested, get a lawyer. Shut your mouth but to say "I want a lawyer." Did it or not, get a lawyer.
>>27939698
>No, Welsh is my native language.
>>27932351
It works well enough that as much as 1/3 of people subjected to it confess to crimes they didn't commit.
>>27939862
A oes gennych broblem gyda'r Cymry neu'r iaith y Gymraeg?
>>27939903
That you erroneously consider welsh your native language is amusing to me.
>>27939951
It's more amusing to me that he considers Welsh to be a language at all!
>>27939032
yes.
finger prints and DNA tests cant beat some good police violence oriented evidence.
>>27940053
Actually he's right, forensics are mostly shit at figuring out The Truth cause they're goal oriented and therefore non-scientific. If you've ever had to listen to someone actually talk about "forensic jean splatter analysis" (I have, lawyerfag) you'd roll your eyes too anytime someone says "forensics."
http://www.bostonreview.net/books-ideas/nathan-robinson-forensic-pseudoscience-criminal-justice
>>27940134
It's a conflict of interest. Hell, the judicial system is a conflict of interest.
>>27939951
I was born in the north of Wales and raised in a family speaking only Welsh. I did not start learning English until Grade 5(required) and still went to a Welsh-only primary and secondary schools.
>>27940169
Course it is, for some fucktarded reason we thought an adversarial system will bring out the best in both sides as everyone rolls up their sleeves and competes their hardest to win.
But cheating is easier so fuck that.
>>27940195
who the fuck is "we"?
>>27940343
The anglosphere, where the adversarial system of judicial processes was fully developed.
>>27940365
roman and greek courts of judgement were pretty adversarial
>>27940134
Anon
dats Murica dealing with science. Of course its fucking shit, they don't even accepted evolution, how do you expect they can deal with DNA and finger prints?
As some one who supports our cops, and I have been in the position once of being accused for a crime (It happened while I was at work, I was released same day due to my accounting of where I was all day, which was a toy store) , I did not once feel the cops were doing bullshit withe the good cop bad cop routine.
The officers have a job to do and that is fact finding. When the cops got the evidence showing me at my work place at the time the crime took place, both cops apologized for the time wasted and wished me well. No lawyer was called, because it wasn't necessary in my opinion, but a few weeks later I ran into one of the cops who was interrogating me at a McDonald's. Hell, I got an apology there too. But they got to do their job, which is find the facts.
>>27932351
Absolutely useless, my precinct uses Bad-Cop, Worse-Cop to get our confessions
>>27939662
Exactly WHAT is wrong with how they write?
>>27932351
Good if you want false confessions
>>27939698
> welsh
> a language
>>27937095
>They know they dindu nuffin.
Then they shouldn't have confessed.
>>27936794
>cop provides useful information to keep your ass out of jail
>"get fucked pig"
edgy teens in charge of recognizing good infromation
>>27936904
YEES WATCH THIS
>>27936927
Ok, question then. I am not a rich, prep-school, my daddy runs a firm on wallstreet, faggot. Where the fuck do I, who has never had legal trouble in his entire life, get a lawyer if I am under arrest? Where do you even begin to look from within a holding cell?
>>27937279
exactly none of that "build rapport" and "defending choices" crap would work if you SHUT UP and LAWYER UP
>>27941617
>upper class white male detected.
As a fellow upper class white male, I would still NEVER suggest willing fully giving the police any information. Even if you have a solid, bulletproof alibi, you don't know what the cops are actually looking for. You could lock yourself into a story, suddenly remember some detail later and guess what? Now your testimony is complete bullshit because they'll use the age old 'you lied, so you're guilty' routine.
>>27936991
>Who cares whether or not they did it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
Should be standard reply to any thread.
>>27932351
Never as effective as Starsky and Hutch.
