What sort of sights do you prefer, /k/?
Three dot? Novak? Glock brand ball and basket?
>>27932175
Three dot.
Fast and easy to retain accuracy past 25 yards.
>>27932187
How do you feel about painting your dots for more contrast, or making the front post a different color than the back posts?
>>27932175
For carry, Trijicon HD's with the high viz orange front sight, low viz rear.
>>27932175
I'm used to three dot on handguns, but I don't really pay attention to them for sight alignment unless it's pitch black and I'm using night sights.
>>27932202
I guess it can't hurt. It's not like it really costs you anything to try.
>>27932175
rmr
>>27932175
Trijicon HD is where its at
>>27932175
Steyr sights are pretty neato
>>27932427
Looks like the address thing from Stargate.
>>27932175
What's the difference between 3 dot and novak
>>27932395
My man.
>>27932533
3 dot doesn't necessarily have a sloped rear surface and Novak sights do.
>>27932640
sloped rear and smooth without Heinie serrations. but yeah, that's the major difference.
3 dot or blank sights
>>27932175
3 dot tritium ftw
Radioactivity makes everything better. We Fallout now.
My favorite would have to be two dot or dot and post sights. Example would be the old style SIG sauer sights.
>>27932175
I prefer the sights that get rounds on target.
>>27932395
Anybody have experience with Burris Fastfire?
Xs big dots. I've never been good at notch and post. I never had confidence in the notches in between am I too far left or right yada yada. My accuracy improved dramatically.
>>27932944
It's arguably the best powered micro dot if ruggedness isn't your top objective, and the mount market for the FastFire II/III/Docter pattern is extremely abundant. No other manufacturer advertises even 1/3 of the battery life.
Also, Vortex is soon coming out with two new micro dot models, the Viper and Venom, the latter of which seems to be in direct competition with the FFIII in terms of size and features. I mention them because both Burris and Vortex have 100% no questions lifetime transferable warranties.
>>27933008
Getting XS Standard Dot (not Big Dot) very soon. Factory front sight on my M&P is TINY; see photo.
>>27933092
Yeah it is lol, I got them on my shield. Those fuckers were hell to take off. Had to wail on them with a brass punch for 20 minutes. Then you have to file the shit out of the xs sights to fit.
>>27932427
Im pretty fond of them also
I had the heine straight 8s on my glock 23 and was really disappointed. After spending 160 dollars on "the best handgun sights on the market" they really weren't all that great. The dots were the size of the end of a pencil and kinda hard to line up fast.
>>27932202
It's not necessary, but if it makes you feel better go ahead.
>>27932175
I liked XS Big Dot sights for the longest time but I've finally settled on Trijicon HDs. Fast and accurate and that front sight can still be used nearly like an XS standard dot if you're barely able to see your sights for whichever reason.
Ghost ring 3dot
XS Big Dots and 2 dots (Heinie, I-dot Pros, etc) are my favorite. The XS sights are hands down the best, fastest sights for a defensive pistol. I love them and have them on my EDC Glock 26.
Oh, and 10-8 rears are good too.
I like anything with an illuminated front. I'm a big fan of Truglo's TFO (tritium + fiber optic), and have them on my Shield and Sig p938.
My glock 19 has Ameriglo I-dot Pro, which is a stacked 2-dot with bright paint surrounding front tritium. Pic related.
![seclws32p07[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GxcdEA9.jpg "seclws32p07[1].jpg")
Who needs sights?
>>27933008
>>27933835
I don't get why people like these. I guess they might be faster for new shooters to get used to, but for me they weren't any faster than 3 dots.
Also trying to hit a bullseye at 25 yards with one is goddamn near impossible, those always fuck up the elevation for me.
>>27933008
I'm looking for new sights on my Shield. I shoot pretty poor with the factory sights and trigger and I know thats partly me but I never feel like I'm lined up perfectly, similar to what your describing. I assume the big dots are for quicker sight alignment? Any fear of snagging on a carry gun? I'm looking at these, Ameriglo, Truglo, and Trijicons. Was going to go with whatever is the cheapest tritium sight thats closest to the factory sights but now i'm not sure.
>>27933971
Doesn't snag in my remora. The dot is for faster target aquisition. My shield is a .40 and I've only been shooting pistols for around 3 years now and I can knock the center out of a silhouette at 15 yards with the big dots. For a carry gun I don't think you need much better than that. I wouldn't put them on a range queen because it takes some practice shooting at longer distances with the sights.
>>27933870
Just got the same for my m&p 9. I like them better than the xs big dots. I'll probably end up with them on my Shield, too.
>>27932175
>>27932202
i use neon green nail polish
I think I like just a big notched rear sight with a bright lit front sight. Pic related. I don't have these sights but want them.
Steyr sights. An absolute breath of fresh air, fast and easy target acquisition.
I dislike plastic sights because of breakage, though.
Grande dots. Any other answer is incorrect.
>>27933971
They don't hang on my stealthgear AIWB. My 2 biggest problem with the big dots were that even with red loctite the rear site would come loose and when the big trijicon site feel out of the front blade.
No bueno for me.
>>27934142
On the rear sight it requires filing to fit. Like a bunch. But if you go too much it's loose. It probably got filed down too much. On the tritium, that's crazy. I'd give them a call or something. Did you drop it out of a moving car?
>>27934176
This. Give them a call. Excellent people to work with. I broke the front sight screw three times on the glock set and every time they sent me new front sight assemblies. Awesome product and people. I've got big dots on all my fighting guns.
>>27934176
Nope. Less than 300 rounds thru it with the big dots on it. It came out on a shot. I went straight out, bought new sites, and had them installed by the gunsmith.
And I didn't file the rear sites at all... They slid right in. That may have been part of the problem.
>>27934215
I sent them an email. 2 weeks ago. With picture above. No response yet. I took have hope.
>>27934122
You can get these on a lot of guns too. I. Onside red these before the big dots but a lot of people didn't get good results.
>>27932546
Tell me about the red dot on a pistol. First of all is it really worth it? Are there noticeable advantages between the rod dot and regular sights? I'm fairly experienced in pistol shooting to the point that I'm really only going to get better with trigger time and I'm wondering if a red dot would be a good addition.
Secondly, I'm curious about mounting. I've never used or even held a red dot equipped pistol before so I really don't want to mill any of my slides for something I'm not sure I will like. I've been looking at mounts that use the rear sight dovetail like in my picture but the red dot is up so high. Does a red dot on a pistol get its advantages from being so low or would a dovetail mounted red dot still work just as well, but without cowitnessing?
>>27933949
If you can't shoot what you need to with XS sights then it's not the sights that are the problem.
But don't take my word for it. Let Buck Yeager show you.
https://youtu.be/AY5RURFEGd8
I think my next pistol will be a kahr just so I could have one pistol with factory sights.
>>27932175
I like myy Shield 9mm sights. However i have not ever seen night sights in pperson. and the only other sights i have are AKs, Mosins, and a Colt detective sights.
I like dot-the-i style sights like were used on the old Sigs. Same as what Kahr uses: >>27934279.
I do not like "big dots" like >>27933835 because the bar on the rear sight doesn't go all the way to the edge of the metal.
>>27934259
In my opinion, red dots are good for 2 things. IDPA and looking like a tool. If you have a red dot on a pistol and you don't shoot steel plate pistol competitions with it, then you're a tool. That's it. It's putting away all the skill that makes pistol shooting awesome and makes it tacticool. But that's just my opinion.
>>27932175
I like two dot/bar dot sights, but I don't really care. The only time I'll change a pistol's sights is if I want night sights and it didn't come with them.
>>27934277
What happened to him, he is like a totally different guy in his old videos. Roids?
I'm a novice shooter but I'm faster with the glock U-dot sights compared to 3 dots. The problem with the glock sights, though, is that it looks like the bottom part of the dot is partially covered from the rear sights.
>>27934309
That's what I'm thinking too but some people swear on the things. I've been under the impression that they're basically a tactical gimmick unless you need to shave 2/100ths off your time, but I'm willing to try one out before I say they're crap.
>>27932918
hurr hurr hurr
>>27933008
love these, best upgrade i've made
Glock sights are cheap and easily replaced for a reason
>>27934309
Sadly when I hit 60 sights suddenly had to stand out... It's not tacticool , It's practical. I'm thinking of a red dot on my M&P performance center 9mm, these old eyes are not as fast anymore. and I've had folks try to break into my house while I am home twice.
>>27934596
Damn, didn't think there was anyone in their 60s who would come here. But I can get what you're saying. Without my glasses the front sight of a pistol is a blurry little stump. I can tell it's there but I can't line it up. Doesn't do me much good if someone kicks my door down when I'm sleeping and I don't have time to put my glasses on .
>>27934309
Myopia makes irons nearly impossible to use with precision, because without glasses you can't see the target and with glasses your focal plane is shifted very far forward which makes focusing on the front sight post difficult or in my case painful. When I shoot with irons, I have to focus on the target and leave the front sight post out of focus, and I frequently have to shift focus back and forth between the front post and target to ensure everything is still lined up. Also I have astigmatism, which without glasses makes round things (like peep sights, red dots and targets) no longer round. It's like aiming at a football through a football shaped hole and keeping all the footballs lined up on the tip of a football.
Also, it sounds like you've not used a red dot on a pistol before.
>>27934259
>>27934357
The only reason not to try one is cost.
Don't use a dovetail mount because you're right, it's too high up. You're used to holding your head and arms at a certain height to achieve a sight picture quickly, and raising that height even a fraction of an inch feels wrong. You'll get used to it, but when you switch back to another pistol with iron sights, that will then feel wrong.
As for usage, dots always feels like cheating to me. Iron sights are pleasing to use in the same way that a bolt action rifle is; you take your time to slowly line things up and squeeze off a well aimed shot. With a tremendous (like, nobody on /k/, not even that Youtube-whoring JohnnyISuckCocks faggot) amount of experience, you can train your body to put the irons right on target extremely fast like a competition shooter. But still not as fast as you can with a dot, and not without tens of thousands of rounds spent. With a dot, wherever it is when you pull the trigger is where the bullet goes. Therefore, if you can see the dot, you can shoot immediately and without prelude. You still shoot the same way, but faster and with more confidence.
>>27934241
They are simply not the same anon
>>27934596
Goddamn you're an old motherfucker. What the fuck are you doing here instead of spending your social security on funs and making cool videos?
>Black Heinie sights ftw
I have them on literally of my Glock pistols.
>>27934092
What about on the sights?
>>27936197
>>27934259
REFLEX sights are put usaually on race guns becase its easier to place one dot on a target. Also with a correct reflex set up at the correct distance , parLax becomes a non issue and you can shoot without truely "aligning the pistol" shooting with the gun offset.
A big disadvantage is all the blowback gets the reflex fairly dirty pretty quickly.
The gun wont fit in regular holsters, youre going to rely on batt, and if it breaks do you still have working sights?
>>27936428
Holy shit I haven't seen this picture in over 5 years! Where did you get it?
>>27932175
F.O. Front
Blacked out Rear
Dawson front, Warren Tactical rear
>>27936405
What the fuck is z flex doing
>>27932546
what's the bottom gun ? it's beautiful
>>27938083
http://youtu.be/aUU7wsc3nIU
>>27938211
How the fuck do you don't recognize a Ruger MK3? And the name and manufacturer of the barrel is written right on it.
Trujicon SP01 night sights is what I got on my 9mm. I like to keep that shit simple. https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/products/product3.php?pid=SP01
>>27936197
LOL
>>27939342
>>27932175
I've got Warren Tactical two-dot sights on my 19, I love them. I really prefer two dot setups to three-dots, I'm not sure why.
Blacked out rears with high-contrast fronts, like Trijicon HDs.
Fun Fact:
Anyone who says that sights are easier to "get on target faster" is an idiot. What they mean is "these sights are easier for my untrained ass to see."
Nothing is going to "get you on target faster" other than practicing the physical press out and developing faster hand-eye coordination. It's like juggling or learning a magic trick. It just takes practice.
>>27934259
Red dot's aren't worth it IMHO. They're fun to mess around with, but are honestly a distraction from just putting in the honest practice to get good with iron sights.
>>27934309
This is correct. Plinking/fun gun is also an acceptable answer.
>>27935468
>Iron sights are pleasing to use in the same way that a bolt action rifle is; you take your time to slowly line things up and squeeze off a well aimed shot.
Uh, not necessarily
>With a tremendous (like, nobody on /k/, not even that Youtube-whoring JohnnyISuckCocks faggot) amount of experience, you can train your body to put the irons right on target extremely fast like a competition shooter. But still not as fast as you can with a dot, and not without tens of thousands of rounds spent.
I don't really want to jump down your throat and call you out, but yes, it is very possible to shoot very very fast and accurately with iron sights. And it can be done 90% at home in your basement. A good book on dryfire fundamentals and regular, structured practice sessions at home can make you better than 99% of the shooters out there.
The first year I got really serious about shooting and dry firing, I only shot about 3k rounds, made IDPA master, and shot the fastest (at the time) GSSF amateur score in the country.
When you develop the coordination and stability so that your gun tracks automatically to your line of sight, a dot adds little to that.
>>27937072
Comparisons with race guns aren't valid, IMHO. Those guys are using C-mores with HUGE windows. The guns are heavy, and tuned and comped to shoot so flat that the dot never leaves the sight.
Plus, the guys you see rocking those super fast race guns, are almost just as fast and accurate with regular guns. You just never see a side by side comparison. It's the Indian not the arrow.
>>27939605
Can you give me a link to a book or guide for a dryfire practice routine?
>>27939605
>And it can be done 90% at home in your basement. A good book on dryfire fundamentals and regular, structured practice sessions at home can make you better than 99% of the shooters out there.
>15,000 dryfires make you an expert
>one live round at the range and everything learned goes out the window when recoil is introduced
think before u speak
trijicon tritium dot over dot
>>27939472
Go bird hunt with traditional irons and tell me how equal a bead is
What's a fair price for a gunsmith to install night sights on high power? Its a mk3 with dovetails on front and back.
Do they zero them also during install?
Anyone got brand recommendations for the Browning?
>>27940023
Also is there a way to attach a light on a railless gun?
>>27940023
At my LGS, if you buy sites there, they install them for free. So I couldn't tell you.
>>27940023
$40
No.
>>27940051
Add a rail. Or there are railed magazine base plates. Or just hold the fucking light like an adult.
>>27939961
Steve Anderson - Refinement and Repetition
Mike Seeklander - Your Competition Shooting Handbook
Ben Stoeger - something something dry fire.
Other good shooting books:
Saul Kirsch - Thinking Practical Shooting
Brian Enos - Practical Shooting.
Shooting is a lot like golf - practicing and refining precision skills and then performing those skills on demand under pressure. Lots of these books talk about metacognition - Thinking about thinking. Being aware of what you're doing and the result it's producing. That kind of stuff.
>you can get three years experience out of one year's shooting, or you can get one years experience out of three years shooting. It just depends on how much you experience while you're shooting.
If you're serious about your pistolcraft, I recommend you start hanging out at brian enos forums. Competition shooters are only interested in what makes them a better shooter, the process and the techniques. Tons of good information.
>>27939969
>ignoring the fact that 99% of shooting is not dealing with recoil
>mfw all I do at the range is work on grip and sight tracking
Here's your response, faggot.
>>27940051
Tape.
>>27939969
>think before u speak
Would this "thinking" have anything to do with that time some Jap fuck thoroughly dismantled national level USPSA and IPSC competitors after a year of airsoft practice?
>>27939999
How you could ever think that's a valid comparison is is hilarious.
>>27934596
Why would you come to such a cancerous community?
>>27934082
I moved from big dots to those. Good choice.
2 dot > 3 dot.
>>27934087
>>27934122
meme sights, meme gun
>>27934241
trash
>>27940647
>Superior to the Glock 17 in every way but commonality.
>"Meme gun"
You see this fucking spoon? It's going into your Scrotum if you don't straighten out.
>>27942078
Superior how, then?
>>27942078
Lol, K. Fite me irl, bro.
That's exactly what a meme shooter would say.
RMR.
>>27943515
Wow that Glock looks fucking retarded, what the fuck happened?
Two dot. It's fast, easy, and rec'd by top competition and self-defense shooters.
>>27935468
Dugan?
BTW how do you like the M3X? Ebay has some M6X for $45 and I was wondering if I should get some.
>>27943584
M6x are $500 laser/light combo, unless you mean its the airshit version.
Would anyone recommend the Trijjicon HD's for nightstand duty?
>>27943751
Yes IMO they are probably by far my favorite sights out of anything that is out right now excluding RMRs. I put them on everything except for my 1911s(Kensight Bomar), P226(Sig Night sights) and VP9(stock Mepros). I have them on my Glocks, CZ, M&P and USP45.
>>27943551
>top competition and self-defense shooters.
>top self defense shooters
Were you born retarded, or did your mother smoke during pregnancy?
>>27943779
>USP
Great, I'll be mounting them on my USP9c. Besides lots of bullets, is there anything else you'd recommend for the USP?
http://speedsights.com/
Anyone tried these out?
>>27936405
that hex sight looks p dank
>>27943804
I love the USP and but the USP Compact looks Volvo as fuck.
>>27940023
At the two shops I worked at it was depending on the sights between $25 and $50 for install. And they were always bore-sighted before going back out to the customer.
For hi-powers I recommend Kensight.
>>27943804
I have the orange he's on my usp 9 which is my night stand gun. I just bought the match trigger kit, sights and a bunch of mags and ammo. They are pretty perfect from the factory.
>>27944254
How did you install the sights?
>>27944626
Brass punch, but you can use nylon or wood dowel, but you might need a couple.
Make sure you hit the base, not the sight itself. Cold blue solution removes the brass marks, or you could use a bronze brush lightly and then any solvent. USP sights are fairly easy to install. I usually put a dot of blue locktite on the sight base after I zero them, just to be sure.
>>27943721
It's a police trade in.
>>27944254
why are you shooting my state's flag?
>>27944746
Check the safety position nigger.
Here's my favorite set of pistol sights.
>>27932175
I like them make 3 large cube with back cubes black and front cube of different color, bright orange or white.
This is what I like, not dots, not night sights.
I also like a lot of air around the front sight, I'm tall so long arms so I hold gun farther out and this changes the sight picture narrowing the air around the front post as compared to what a manlet might see.
I draw you picture in paint.
>>27944833
>barely speaks English
>rips on manlets
>>27944833
I like same thing, for it to appear as three identical "blocks" except I like them to just be all plain black.
All I look at is two things, air on both sides of front post, flat line across the top. This is easier when they are all black.
I happen to like glock stock dot and U sights the most.
Please don't be disappointed in me.
>>27934122
You've never broken a set of plastic sights in your life. You've never even come close to putting noticeable wear on a pistol, if you even own one, let alone handled one so unbelievably poorly that you physically broke a fixed non moving part attached to the part of the gun that receives by far the least amount of wear and manipulation.
Listening to fat southerners on youtube does not count as your own experience or opinion
Used Trijicon HDs for about three years. Still have them on my PPS. I recently swapped to Defoors with the tritium front for my Glocks. Weird dot setup (front only, low on the post), but I shoot noticeably tighter groups with them with no real loss of speed. I guess they play better with my eyes.
>>27940132
Great argument
Big dots are great examples of sight closer related to bead sights, which are quicker at picking up and tracking on a moving target. Im not saying thst you cant just track your pistols front post and aquire speed shots on target , what i am saying is the design of the sight is to minimize lining up elements in your sight picture.
Xs sight will always be faster than 3 dots because there is less to line up and center. Again, im not saying you cant ignore the smaller details of alignment or just ignore the rear sight entirely, the big dot was meant to catch your eye faster. In its design on both sight, when excuted to complete a sight picture the xs will be faster.
Those of you who hunt with irons or bead sights understand picking up a target quickly with less elements involved
>>27940132
Im sorry this simple analogy was above your comprehension level. Based on the effort you put in your replies , id say it's a lack of applying yourself. Perhaps you should start on a simple project , like a quick way end your life , quietly as not to bother anyone else with your plauging level of stupidity
>>27939999
Those are quads even /fit/ would admire. London.
>>27945023
Fucking spot on.
I think this in every knife thread.
>no one here has ever "worn out" a knife. Or probably even sharpened it more than twice.
People lived for thousands of years, using knives that were absolute shit by modern standards all day every day, and did just fine. But you won't buy something that isn't D2 or less than $200.
>>27945683
You know, I may have jumped the gun on your analogy. The comparison of handguns to longguns, etc, is usually quite stupid - for example you see people touting the peep sights on pistols, which is idiotic when you have the aperture at arms length from you, but natural and instinctive when it's a few inches from your eye. So let me use your argument and show you why you're wrong.
There are two aspects to aiming a pistol.
1. lining the front and rear sights up correctly
2. placing the lined up sights on the target.
THE ONLY THING THAT WILL IMPROVE THESE IS PRACTICE AND MUSCLE MEMORY.
#1 is what most people have trouble with, both in acquiring the correct alignment, and keeping the alignment while moving the pistol on target, reacquiring it from shot to shot, or keeping alignment as they transition to another target.
I'm familiar with big dots. I've had them on my .22 glock conversion for 5k rounds, and on my carry piece for a few years. I don't anymore, but I don't think they're terrible sights.
Big dots seem "faster" up close because they give you less information. The big dot is easier to put in the wide V, becasue it's a less precise sight picture. I know they CAN be accurate. But when I was making headshots at 25yds with them, it takes just as long to get an "accurate" sight picture as it does with traditional sights. Longer even, because there is less information.
(cont)
>>27946727
(cont)
What you discover under time, is that if you can call your shots with traditional sights, you are just as fast. If I know that a sight picture where my front sight is touching either side of the back sight will get me a hit on a 8" plate at 10yds, I don't bother to spend the split seconds to get a better sight picture.
This is called "seeing what you need to see". The trick to speed is to know exactly how precise a sight picture you need to make a hit on a given target at a given distance, and then spending not a split second longer getting a MORE precise sight picture than that. Big dots mimic this, by giving you less information to start with.
So to go back to your analogy, they are like shotgun sights where they are used quick, instinctively, and you only have to be "good enough" for a hit. But to stretch your analogy, if you're trying to hit a 6" popper with a slug at 100yds, they're going to be slower than an traditional sight. And with enough practice, you can instinctively shoot up close without any sights at all, or at least extremely minimal input.
>here is where the argument will be attacked with misused comparisons between shotguns, rifles, handguns, and glaring differences exploited between the sighting method and use of long guns and shotguns.
This is why I transitioned away from big dots. Once I developed a "grooved" draw, they are a hindrance, rather than a help. When you can close your eyes, draw, open your eyes, and your sights are lined up, you don't need them. When you can line up your sights, close your eyes, point all the way left and all the way right, and back to center, and open your eyes, and your sights are still lined up, they don't make you faster. When you know exactly how precise a sight picture you need to make a given shot, they don't add any speed.
They only hinder at that point, by giving you less information at distance.
>>27945683
>Based on the effort you put in your replies , id say it's a lack of applying yourself.
Oh, you mean like these replies?
>>27940092
>>27939605
I'm sorry you don't really understand what you're talking about. Dunning-Kruger effect and all that. Good to see you got up early to check in on your internet argument though.
>>27945023
>slide
>part of the gun that receives the least amount of manipulation
okay buddy
>>27932427
From holster to perfect aim in 0.1sec.
Soooo ergonomic i just have to look at the front sight and fully extend my arm and i have perfect aim in an instant.
>>27947169
Lol
>>27932175
Guttersnipe, 10/10 gun aswell
>>27936428
RIPIP
I cry blackened tears
