What does /k/ think of the SOCOM 16?
I'm looking into getting one for general use against any possible terror threat or civil unrest. The .308 is pretty much undisputed as a powerful caliber so lets talk rifles to fire it first.
As stated before, I like the SOCOM 16. It's a true and tested design in a nice sleek package. It's like the modern musket. However, it might not be quite on par with other battle rifles. Taking into account that it will only be fired as a semi-auto, is there a better rifle out there that comes just off the shelf?
Now about ammo. I don't have to abide by the Geneva Convention so ball ammo is going to be for practice shooting. I've seen the Winchester PDX1 rounds do pretty well and not overpenetrate. The Lehigh Defense Controlled Chaos rounds seem to leave massive wound cavities as well. They also carry a maximum expansion bullet in .308 that can be loaded but I believe it's optimied for the 300 Blackout. Again, the fact that if a .308 hits you, you probably won't fight much longer is undisputed. Why not go for overkill then? One shot and another one bites the dust. Any other ammunition recomendations?
As far as use of the actual rifle, think in an urban environment with long streets and plenty of cover in the form of cars and alleys. Possibly having to fight out of and into buildings. Is the SOCOM suited for that?
>>27930360
>Scar 17
Lighter
Better Ergos
Better Mags
>>27930382
Forgot better reliability
No point when basically any other BR will do it better.
SCAR
>lighter
>more accurate
>more reliable
>better ergonomics
>better optic mount solutions
>less recoil
BTW Didnt finish reading OP befire noticing >>27930382 saying SCAR, and thought you were asking about SCAR vs SOCOM
Then I saw you weren't, but I am still going to tell you to get the SCAR if you're gonna spend alot of money on a semi-auto 308
Having shot both a fair amount, SCAR every time
>>27930360
The De lisle carbine would be far more suitable especially in an urban setting.
With pistol cartridges you can blend in with the trigger happy thugs and prevent someone from snagging a trail on you from special snowflake ammo.
Even suppressed .308 is pretty damn loud.
>>27930430
The only thing i would argue is the accuracy just because you can tune a m14 to be an extreme precision rifle that you cant really do with the scar, but stock configs based and just on accuracy SOCOM 16 < Scar 17 < Fullsize m14
>>27930454
>supressed m1a
Yea, you're gonna want an adjustable gas plug unless you like all that shit flying back in you face from the big fucking open action.
>>27930481
Wow no.
>>27930481
>>27930481
>Socom16 better accuracy than a Scar
As an owner of a M1A i doubt that it comes close to a scar for accuracy without sacrificing durability i.e it becomes a safe queen/bench bitch and is no longer useful in the field.
Other than the shorter barrel (read stiffer) what about the Socom16 makes it more accurate than a standard M1A?
>>27930523
Longer barrel = better velocity = less drop at long ranges.
>>27930561
You read the < backwards
>>27930778
Long barrel = better accuracy
It's clear you know nothing about barrel harmonics or even the basic principles of what makes a weapon accurate.
>>27930778
I don't feel like explaining for the fuckmillionth time why the M14 is a shitty precision rifle. Can you just take my word for it that you're wrong?
>>27930845
First part was supposed to be after a meme arrow.
Shorter barrels are generally stiffer and therefore more mechanically accurate than longer barrels. Drop is predictable and easily compensated for so long as you're not dumb.
>>27930852
Never I like to see people suffer.
>>27930852
Nobody here is talking about precision rifles. OP just wants to know if the SOCOM is suitable for shooting Syrian immigrants and dindu nuffins within the average engagement distance of 300 meters through an urban setting.
You children and your petty fighting over your favorite rifle is really what makes this board cancer. You take any chance you can to just bitch and moan about other rifles and why your choice is better. Look up practical accuracy when you get a chance. Maybe you'll learn that you don't need to be able to drive nails with every shot in combat.
>>27931010
>Hey man you can have a better rifle
>REEE YOU ARE CANCER YOU DONT NEEEED A BETTER RIFLE THIS ONE IS FINE
>Ok just letting you know there's better out there
>WELL GO FUCK OFF A CLIFFF AND DIE I DONT NEEED IT
Jesus christ you are an autistic moron. You are the cancer
>>27931010
>Nobody here is talking about precision rifles.
>>27930481
>The only thing i would argue is the accuracy just because you can tune a m14 to be an extreme precision rifle that you cant really do with the scar
HURRRRR
>>27931097
>Guys, i want this rifle, for this particular role, at this particular range; is it suited for what I want?
>SHUT UP FAGGOT, GET THIS OTHER RIFLE INSTEAD.
>But that doesn't answer my question.
>FUCK YOUR QUESTION, MY RIFLE IS MORE PRECISE THAN YOUR PILE OF SHIT
>Well, no one said anything about precision, and at the range i asked about, does it really matter?
>HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY UNSOLICITED BULLSHIT
>>27931166
I don't know why the word "accuracy" triggered you so hard, but if you notice
The SCAR was recommended, other than accuracy based on
>>27930382
>Lighter
>Better Ergos
>Better Mags
and
>>27930430
>SCAR
>>lighter
>>more accurate
>>more reliable
>>better ergonomics
>>better optic mount solutions
>>less recoil
Stay retarded
>>27931191
>I don't know why the word "accuracy" triggered you so hard,
It doesn't. If you want to recommend the SCAR, then cool, you do that, but OP, as stupid as he is, asked specifically about the SOCOM 16 for urban shooting, not about what would be a better choice, or what would be more accurate or precise. If you payed attentioned to you own backlinks, you see that both were posted before anyone said anything about accuracy or precision. Fuck off with your unsolicited bullshit.
un·so·lic·it·ed
ˌənsəˈlisidəd/
adjective
not asked for;
>The SCAR was recommended, other than accuracy based on
Doesnt matter, see:>>27930360
>As far as use of the actual rifle, think in an urban environment with long streets and plenty of cover in the form of cars and alleys. Possibly having to fight out of and into buildings. Is the SOCOM suited for that?
> Is the SOCOM suited for that?
See>>27931166
>>Guys, i want this rifle, for this particular role, at this particular range; is it suited for what I want?
>SHUT UP FAGGOT, GET THIS OTHER RIFLE INSTEAD.
>But that doesn't answer my question.
Stay illiterate.
>>27931166
>>27931283
The title of the thread is SOCOM 16/.308 general.
>GUYS STOP GENERALLY COMPARING OTHER 308 GUNS TO THE SOCOM 16! STAHP IT!
>>27931336
R E K T>>27931283
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I'll just leave this here.
OP here. I don't want to get a SCAR for a few reasons. The first being the price. It's a full $1000 more than the SOCOM on a good day and out of my budget for now. Also, if I did get a SCAR, I would want to spring for optics to use it to its full capabilities.
Weight isn't a concern. I'm a manlet, but more on the tibeten side of manlets. You can give me a rifle taller than I am and I can hump it around all day without much problem. A heavier rifle makes for a better club anyway.
I'm more than likely not going to suppress it. I might consider it if the HPA is passed, but just for shits and giggles. I would love a DeLisle carbine, but I would also like to shoot past 50 meters effectively. If I end up having to fight down streets with this rifle, sound isn't an issue.
I still don't have an answer to my questions other than not liking a SCAR is a federal offense here. Anyone out there with an objective opinion willing to weigh in?
>>27931556
.300 blackout AR-15
AK
Both .30 caliber rounds both will kill things dead
AR-15 in .458 SOCOM for maximum killing and fills the role of SOCOM
>>27930360
Why not get a scout squad? It's got an 18" barrel so it's right in that sweet spot for length and has the standard m1a/m14 configuration so you don't have to look for or worry about whether a mod will work for it. I absolutely love mine! Gonna set her into an ebr chassis soon though.
>>27931853
That's my coffee table in the living room btw. Wife picked it out with a matching set of end tables. Damn I love that woman. I did however tell her when I got my M1A that if it had a hole on it big enough for me to fuck I'd definitely cheat on her with it.
>>27931905
That table is ugly as fuck.
Also, the polymer M1A stocks look like garbage. Go wood or go home.
>>27931556
I own a fullsized, I will say it's expensive and you're gonna wanna learn a bit about reloading and how the gas system works so you can find some ammo that won't fuck your accuracy over.
I'm not a fan of the 16 simply because I find 18 inch to be better over all ( noticeable difference around the 400 yard line) , but I went with 21 because of cost.
Bedding can get costly, and mounting optics can be iffy. Cheek weld is another concern and should be remedied. Just my .02
Go for it if you want it and fuck everyone else.
>>27931930
Nah that's a tactical table son. Also like I said the stock is getting replaced with an ebr chassis. As for wood it stays in the gun cabinet. It looks nice but adds weight. Being pretty doesn't justify unnecessary weight for me.
>>27931979
The wood version is only .5lb heavier, you fucking manlet.
>>27931979
> complains about weight,
> wants a SAGE EBR Stock.
>>27931596
I had considered 300 Blackout for a long while. Got a parts list ready and everything. However, the 9 inch barrel is what got me. Didn't wanna sell my soul to the NFA and didn't wanna have a lot of extra barrel for not that much benefit.
I already own an AK and I can shoot it fine. Never was a fan though.
.308 in a solid rifle is pretty much my cup of tea. If it could find a .458 in a platform I like, I might be persuaded to take it over the .308 though. I don't know much about it other than that it's a hell of a round on either side of the rifle.
I love mine and those that say bad things about it's accuracy are simply shitty riflemen.
Sure, you throw dirt in the action and it's gonna jam. Not habbenin innacity.
This will always be my go to rifle. This is my battle raifu.
Go ahead, call me a fag.
>>inb4 fag
>>27932075
If you want .458 your best bet is a "converted" garand.
>>27932224
>I love mine and those that say bad things about it's accuracy are simply shitty riflemen.
Army Ordnance Corps, please go.
>Go ahead, call me a fag.
>>inb4 fag
At least you're a self aware fag.
>>27930360
The SOCOM 16 isn't a very well-tuned rifle. It suffers primarily from a special snowflake gas system that is finicky due to insufficient dwell time, similar to dissipator ARs. By contrast the 18" Scout Squad uses a regular gas system, has better ballistics and is overall just as handy.
>>27930382
>>27930430
SCARs are great, but also very expensive. There are several decent BR options for ~1-1.5k, the M1A, FAL, AR-10 and PTR-91 among them, all of which also use far cheaper and more plentiful magazines. If money is no object however, go SCAR all day erry day.
>>27930481
M14s aren't the worst shooters and IMO their layout makes them very suitable for good shooting (if you're used to Garands at least) but mechanically an AR-10 and PTR-91 have em beat. A SCAR is also downright phenomenal. You can tune an M1A to shoot at the same level, but it will cost and weigh far more by the time you get there.
>>27931010
To answer that question, yes it's OK but a Scout Squad would be a bit better. Also AR10s and PTR-91s are good too.
>>27932326
You just mad you have no weapons qualification recognition.
It's ok, we understand.
>>27932369
>M-muh rifleman
>M-m-m0uh combat accuracy
>M-muh thrity caliber
Keep crying, bitch nigga.
On a related note, it's impossible to find pictures of robert mcnamara laughing. I guess that would require a soul.
>>27932410
>>implying someone was crying
Lotsa M1hAte in this thread
>>27932439
More like M14 realism.
>>27932019
I said justifiable weight. I can justify the weight of a ebr stock.
>>27932495
Rails and adjustable cheek piece and some help on bedding?
>>27932007
I don't mind the weight in general and if I wanted to look pretty then I'd be all about the wood but I don't. If I'm lugging the weight then I want a good reason why.
>>27932514
Yeah I can justify that. Better ergonomics and accuracy because it'll be a more stable platform and the set up is more comfortable to me.
>>27932568
Accuracy through better ergos or better platform? lemme explain my question better.
I've got mine set up with wood and glass ; it shoots about .9 MOA at 300. Would it shoot a tighter group if everything else was the same simply because I changed the stock ( and gas system) to the EBR system ?
side note
Why not go with the JAE g200 or something?
>>27930360
Buy an ar10
>>27932628
I got you. For me the ebr chassis would do a lot of good because I'm more comfortable with that platform. The first time I laid hands on an M14/M1A was the M14 ebr, when my unit first recieved them back in 09. Does that answer your question?
>>27932687
So ergonomics to be specific.
>>27932628
to accurize an m1a/m14 locking up the gas system is a MUST.
JAE is a gimmick IMO. wayyy more expensive than just buying a sage chassis
>>27932687
>>27932699
Ah , we are just splitting hairs at this point then I suppose . I'm a fan of the M14ALCS/PMRI-HB stock. ( JAE or nice wood above that tho)
>>27930360
Looks nice at least.
>>27930481
>In my spare time I spread my ignorance on a nipon-based imageboard
>>27932744
Yeah man honestly for me it boils down to what's comfortable in my hands.
>>27930481
Talking out of your ass. Out of the box the SCAR is good to go as a DMR. New M1A/SOCOM 16's are funny with ammo and have reliability issues, inherent to the design.
Believe me, I think the M1A 16" looks sexy as fuck, but the design has too many problems for me to justify the cost that is already fairly close to a NIB SCAR 17S.
>>27932742
I was more or less talking about undoing my current gas system to allow my rifle to use the EBR stock as you can't just drop it in and go, but a fair point is made again.
I donno, I like the JAE look and feel. It helps with bedding better than the SAGE for long term. Again splitting hairs.
>>27932755
Joke. And fair enough, I was raised with a Garand so that was my first taste.
Tho honestly if I could get get the same grip angle/ style as the McMillan A3/5 stock that's what I'd go for. But as far as I know it's either pistol grip or "fudd" grip.
>>27930360
Also throwing in the recommendation for a SCAR if you have the money.
One of the DPMS G2's if you don't (especially now that the G2 has about 80% parts commonality with the AR15).
As for ammo:
>anything loaded with a Barnes TSX, TTSX, Tac-X, or Tac-TX bullet
>Federal Fusion
>Hornady American Whitetail or Superformance
>anything loaded with the 168gr Sierra TMK
You will note that with the exception of the Sierra bullet, they're all bonded softpoints (or act like one). This is due to their intermediate barrier penetration and lack of deflection, while still providing good expansion and limited overpenetration. The TMK tumbles early and fragments violently even at low velocities (as low as 1200fps though will do so with less regularity below 1500fps).
>>27932786
if it's unitized then yeah, i dont blame you, switching back and shimming is a bitch but it aint hard to figure out. you know what you're doing.
yeah we are certainly being autists now. i like the look, never felt them feels haaaaaaaaa. just cant justify the price. that's where i draw the line.
Have fun key holing after 1000 rounds and jamming if a single grain of anything gets in the action
>>27932844
I got to play with one for a while, it was nice. I might drop the cash if I can fit my savage 110 (sa) into the R700 version of the stock while it's on sale.
I've not seen their prices in a while and they jumped up by about 600 from my last go round.
( My stock got cracked at the tang during a car accident.)
>>27932844
Again, it was a hypothetical to clarify a question to >>27932568.
I've got it tuned to where I want it and it gets babied.
My Garand on the other hand is my Bush gun. 1.7 MOA with surplus lake city. Plenty accurate for durr.
>>27932914
I heard that. I'd love to get my hands on a garand. You got any pictures of yours?
OP here. If I do get the SOCOM, I'll be going with that sexy wood furniture. Once again, I'm built like a Tibetan manlet. A little extra weight is nothing. A local shop has one that looks similar to pic related.
Anyone know anything about optics? I'm not really a fan of the scout style mounting.
You already know you are getting an aimpoint, I know you're getting an aimpoint, thread's over.
>>27933227
ARMS # 18 mount
>>27932957
other than this one and a family photo ( both taken with potato ) not really.
>>27933227
A good way to help with the gas system operation as well as to reduce muzzle flash and concussion would be to attach a krink break or similar style device to the end of the barrel.
Guys guys.....youre all wrong, LMT MWS is best!
Get a AR10, it's an overall better platform in all aspects.
If you're super deadset on a SOCOM, it's an awkward rifle, and handles weirdly. Accuracy never seemed below 1.5MOA at 100yds while benched.
Mags usually suck, and just fucking sucked. If you're mounting optics pretty much all rails under 150 dollars blow donkey cock, and getting eye relief is near impossible. Get a Ar10 or a Scar and be well better off.
>>27934187
Picture unrelated, I assume?
>>27932628
now go run around for an hour with it and have it lose all effective zero
>>27933961
that actually looks cool, any info on it anon
>>27930481
>Implying a free-float integral rail AR-10 with bull barrel isn't superior
>>27931556
Dude, you obviously want the SOCOM, and it will fulfill your needs. Even if it only shoots 2 moa (should shoot better, especially with reloads.) that is fine for humans out to 600 yards which is further than most people can shoot with basic iron sights anyways. if you want to improve reliability, just add a linear compensator or krink brake type device. If you want to improve accuracy bed the stock, and get a good trigger job. If it kicks too hard put a grind to fit recoil pad on it.
Buy the gun, shoot the gun, love the gun, and make adjustments as needed (if needed).
Canuck fag here, there are cheaper options then the M1A/M14 platform.
>>27931556
If you don't want a SCAR, then get a DD5V1.
You get a better trigger, better optics setup, PMAG compatibility, 1 MOA accuracy out of the box, you don't have to fuck around with shitty scope mounts, less weight, and a lot of parts compatibility with other AR10s.
>>27934525
1st go read this. , >>27932914 same person. It's not a "running around gun"
2ndly, fuck off. I have no reason to " run around with it" and even if I did, aside from the hand guard's fit there isn't much that would go wrong. 1.2 MOA out of an outdated semi automatic, booo fucking whoo.
>>27931905
>realtree table
>wife picked it out
>>27932410
>he's never seen fog of war
laughing_mcnamara.tiff
>>27934774
That stock actually looks really good. Railed, but not too railed, looking slim and ergonomic.
You Canucks really do deserve more than you get as far as guns.
>muh tacticools
>>27931336
James Earl Jones looks terrible with a long hair wig
>>27930360
SOCOM 16 owner here.
They're a dependable rifle, in a good caliber, with a short package.
That all being said, the rifle definitely has it's limitations...
600yds is about as far out as you're going to want to take this, outside that, it's a good guess as to where the round will go (less velocity)
So, for urban combat, this thing is a beast.
With a supressor on board, you're going to want to really fine tune the gas system, there will be tons of trial and error getting it to work just right, without too much coming back at you, I would also recommend manually loading the rounds, so you can get that nice sweet spot.
recoil on them, stock is barely more than your average AK, or SKS, due to that fuckhueg ported compensator that hangs out at the end of the barrel, but if you're gonna pony up the dosh to slap a can on it, that's coming off, I would recommend a lantac break, or a surefire with a QD mount for your can. Also, make sure that your can is servicable.
The stock trigger isn't terrible on it, it's crisp, has a consistent pull, and breaks clean.
Optics for it are a bit of a joke, unless you for out the cash for one of the nice Troy uppers (roughly 400 bucks) to slap decent optics on board without having to use a chin weld, or get one of those retarded ass chin pads.
All in all, it's a decent rifle, in a roughly small size, which makes it attractive, It's functional, but bitchy about cleaning, and for the love of god, replace any of the important parts (firing pin, roller, etc.) with USGI parts for their ability to not break after a few hundred rounds.
What's a good .308 for OP's scenario under 1k?
>>27944402
You're probably not getting a tactical semi-auto .308 for under $1500.
>>27944543
You *can* get a 308 AR for under a grand.
>>27944593
How rough is it going to be, though?
>>27930382
Also twice as much.
OP can buy a Socom, some spare mags, some ammo, and have money left over for a Glock.
>>27933961
I didn't know they still made those. Wow, it's 2006 all over again.
>>27932224
Damn. I'm happy you're happy but that is the tackiest thing I've seen in a while.
>>27945303
Well life is short. I guess best thing is to laugh and wish the best, we all gonna bite the bullet.
>>27933961
I really wanted one of those back in the day. I remember some guy here on /k/ had one and I was like cooooooooooool
Does anyone have one of these with an aimpoint or acog on it? Looking to get one but not sure which optic would work best. I don't want to put a normal scope on it.
>>27930360
Squad Scout is best M1A.
