Would the CZ 527 in 7.62x39 be a good first gun? It's small and the ammo's cheap, but the gun is kinda pricey.
>>27928717
Also I live in NY so it obeys all gun laws,
>>27928717
CZ527s are excellent.
I would recommend .223 however, as higher quality ammo is available to take advantage of that rifles excellent accuracy.
Can't go wrong either way, but I am an AR fag who can go on and on about the merits of .223 and 5.56
Personally, 7.62x39 is of zero interest to me in anything other than an AK. Especially a bolt action--- 7.62x39 is plenty accurate to 200/300 yards, but CZ527's are sub-MOA capable with hand loads, and plenty close, If not sub-MOA with factory ammo. As such, I would prefer .223 for longer range and greater accuracy.
In the end, can't go wrong either way though.
>>27928717
I have one, it's pretty cool.
The 5 round mags are your only option, and they're $50 a piece, so that kinda sucks.
>>27928744
I'd go for one in .308.
The set triggers are amazing and the build quality is spectacular.
>>27928725
You mean that law that says You're not supposed to infringe on others rights to keep and bear arms?
God bless New York for remembering the constitution.
>>27928744
I was watching videos and reading review, and people said the 7.62 is plenty accurate. But I was most interested in the 7.62x39 because I could potentially hunt with it. It would be nice to have a rifle I can use for plinking, target shooting, AND hunting.
Of course I wouldn't be using cheap steel ammo for hunting.
>>27928753
That isn't a 527, that would be a 550 or 557. But yes.
I don't have any experience with 557s, but 455, 527 and 550s are all hard to beat for the money IMO.
>>27928747
Damn, that does suck. Do you think I could find a few used ones on gun broker or something?
>>27928744
>I would recommend .223 however
If OP is anything like me, 22 cal guns just don't get my rocks off like anything 762x39 or larger.
Get the 550 with the full manlicher stock
[spoiler]in 6.5 swedish[/spoiler]
>>27928717
>>27928725
>first gun
skip all the memes and get a 10/22
They're cheap, they werk and they have a large aftermarket. You'll be happier assuming you've never shot a gun before. You'll eventually trade up but 22s are extremely common for a reason.
>>27928799
>Not getting a Marlin 60 instead
Much superior for a first gun.
>>27928804
True. I only prefer Ruger for personal reasons. Either way 22lr is the superior first gun caliber.
>>27928779
Just load it from the top.
>>27928814
I've heard that you're not able to load the 527's from the top.
>>27928744
>recommends .223 in a hunting rifle
>more accurate
>I'm an arfag
You're a fucking retard and know fuck all about what you're talking about.
>>27928813
I think you meant 17 HMR.
>>27928799
>>27928804
CZ452/455 is the superior .22lr rifle.
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>>27928838
I know the only 22lr gun I'll ever buy from this point forward is a 455 trainer with tangent rear sights.
I was heartbroken when they discontinued the 452 trainers and I couldn't find any for sale anywhere. I was relieved to see the 455 trainers finally come out.
>>27928827
Uh, yes .223 is a caliber capable of very good accuracy by way of its velocity. It can be utilized very effectively in a bolt action rifle .223 is a plenty capable deer caliber, I am not sure what has you so ass blasted.
>>27928863
I think my 452 is a trainer.
lovely rifle. will get passed down to the kids and so on.
>>27928873
>ass blasted
>uh, yes
>.223 over 7.62 for deer
>.223 over anything for deer
Besides the blaringly obvious FACT (one of those things you don't have) that is fucking illegal to hunt with .22 calibers in certain states the .223 is a fucking awful deer cartridge.
I'll eagerly await the "just shoot it in the head/neck!" responses which is fucking stupid too. I could kill deer with .22 lr like that, doesn't make it a good deer gun.
>is very accurate
As is almost every other fucking caliber made.
>by way of its velocity
Just stfu.
>>27928917
.223 is a very capable cartridge for deer. Use 77 grain soft points out of a proper length barrel and it's just as capablr as other calibers.
If you're a retard running around with your 14 in. barrel with a 3 in. Flash suppresor using 55 grain FMJ, then yeah, .223 sucks for hunting.
I want one of these so. fucking. bad.
I can't justify any $500+ guns but it may actually be the next gun I get. I don't even have any self-loading rifles yet but I have an unhealthy obsession with boltguns, the smaller the better, and this thing is astonishingly light.
not only are they expensive, but I'm sure their mags are expensive and scarce too, fuck me.
>>27928892
>I think my 452 is a trainer.
if it has those irons it is
>>27928945
>as capable
>77 grain
Lmfao.
>>27928917
I am not up on NY's deer laws, and .223 is plenty capable with modern bullets. I don't see what your issue with its velocity contributing to its accuracy is.
>as are almost all other calibers
There are plenty of accurate calibers out there, but some are inherently less so than others.
I am sorry your blood pressure is rising so much about this.
>>27928954
I'm wondering what makes you think that .223 is so accurate? What do you think "accurate" is?
You have a very retarded idea of what makes a proper deer cartridge and you're implying that .308 is incapable of shooting accurately which is incorrect.
.223 is not "inherently" more accurate than anything else. It's viewed as one of the worst .22 varmint calibers at distance and the only reason it's used is because of the AR platform. Again you have NO FUCKING CLUE what you are talking about.
>>27928917
Not even that guy, but jesus fuck calm down dude.
.223rem with proper bullet selection (anything over 55gr and NOT a military FMJ, there are several excellent hunting-specific loads that outperform .243/.270 Core Lokt/PowerPoint) is fine for deer in many places. Wouldn't say I'd be particularly enthused to shoot something like an Alberta B&C-class buck with one, but pretty much everywhere in the lower 48 it's fine. Also, Canadians and Alaskans shoot caribou with it all day long, ethically.
>as is almost every other caliber ever
Except 7.62x39, which is pretty well known to be horridly inaccurate (primarily due to the lack of availability of quality rounds).
Appropriate rounds for hunting with .223rem:
>Federal Fusion/Fusion MSR
>Barnes 62, 70, and 75gr TSX or TTSX
>Winchester Powerpoint
>FGMM 77gr SMK
>any small-manufacturer load incorporating 69 or 77gr SMK, or 69 or 77gr TMK
>Federal LE barrier-blind (uses same bullet as Fusion, just in a nickeled case and 5.56x45 spec instead of .223rem spec)
>>27928976
>several outperform .243/.270
Stopped reading.
You're retarded as well and contrary to your memes not everyone that disagrees with you is upset you fucking child.
>>27928973
Different guy, but who the fuck brought .308 into the discussion?
This was originally a .223rem vs. 7.62x39 debate.
Also:
>.223rem worst of .22cal varmint rounds
lolno. It's the second best out of over a dozen, falling only behind .22-250 for performance. It's also hands-down the cheapest to shoot.
Unless ofc you're implying that .22 Hornet is in any way superior (it's not, it's slower, uses an oddball bullet diameter (.223), and several times more expensive per round while tending to be less accurate)
>>27928990
Obviously you stopped reading.
>several outperform THESE TWO SPECIFIC LOW-END SHITROUNDS
Which is true. CoreLokts and Powerpoints fucking suck.
>>27928973
Well, for one the production of high BC bullets. I'd like you to show me some 7.62x39 with similar BC's
>>27929005
>who brought .308
They interchange in bolt guns retard, how hard is this for you to understand?
>hurrduurrrr 7.62 aint gettin err dunnn
>swap to .308
>problem solved
>it's second
No. No it's not.
>>27929009
>corelokt/power point suck
Compared to what?
They're some of the most reliable bullets out there. Just because they don't hit the bleeding edge in velocity doesn't mean they aren't good. They aren't the top selling ammunitions on the market just because people like the shapes.
All you faggots are looking at are the listed ballisitics which mean fuck all when it comes to actual performance on live game.
A .270 in any bullet is NOTHING like a .223 and to even suggest it is retarded.
Please god, someone that actually shoots things besides a fucking sheet of paper please back me up on this.
>>27929164
Did you just suggest that 7.62x39 can be interchangeable with .308? That's what the whole point was. Nobody said .308 Or 7.62 NATO weren't good for hunting. You are a fucking moron who can't even follow a straight line of conversation.
>>27929188
Don't bother responding his >>27929164
autism is crippling
>>27928814
Good luck. It's super annoying, and really difficult to get more than one round in.
>>27929188
It's a short action bolt gun retard, you can swap to any caliber you want so long as it fits the action, barrel, bolt face, and magazine. It's not a difficult thing to do. If you can build an AR you can do a rechamber on a bolt action.
In a 7.62x39 to .308 swap it would be the barrel and bolt. That's it.
>>27929543
Right, because OP is going to swap the barrels on his first gun, that he is interested in because 7.62x39 is cheap.
Sure thing buddy
>>27929564
Not to mention, a caliber change to .308 on a 527 sounds fucking painful.
>>27929543
At first I thought you were just a very angry moron. Now, I am starting to think that you are a very angry, but highly elaborate troll.
>>27929590
If he wasn't trolling, he could have just said buy a 557
>>27929590
How is it painful? It's not a magic gun, it uses the same bolt and barrel as any other gun.
>>27929564
Barrels are cheap, as are bolts. If it's really a huge factor, then yes he can do a swap.
>>27929674
Why would OP buy a 527, then take it to a gun smith who is set up for metric threads and get a custom bolt face made--- when he could just buy a fucking 550 or a 557 to begin with?
He doesn't even want a .308 you retard.
>>27928953
>>27928945
ROFL.
M8 you're a dickhead, .223 with heavy projectiles is fine for deer. Shot placement is slightly more important than larger calibers but a good hunter should always prioritise shot placement regardless.
>>27929674
You can't rechamber a CZ 527 in .308 you mongoloid, it's a mini/micro action not a short action.
>>27929759
>y-you can shoot anything if you have proper placement!!!
Typical 5.56 apologist.
>>27928799
b-but I thought "get a .22 fer yer first rifle m8" was a meme too...
>>27928747
I wish they had an oldschool hinged floorplate option with a clip-slotted receiver, to be honest family
>>27929759
This. .222 and .223 is a popular deer cartridge here in NZ
>>27928799
Mossberg 702 plinkster. 99$ at wallyworld. Works wonderful. only bad thing about it is its not a 10/22. Which in ny doesn't matter.
>>27930124
just cuz it's a meme don't make it not true
they don't think it be like it is, but it do.
starting with a .22 lets you shoot all day for cheap, and since there's almost no recoil, you won't develop bad habits like flinching or closing your eyes when you pull the trigger. plus you then have a .22, and .22s are fucking fun
>>27930211
what's the deal with 10/22s in NY?
>>27930201
Just off of what I found with a quick google search.
http://www.riverstoranges.co.nz/choosing-the-right-calibre-hunting-rifle/
http://www.seriousshooters.co.nz/buying-a-deerstalking-rifle-xidc72832.html
I've never seen someone who hunts recommend a .223 for deer, ever.
>>27930175
So a bolt action SKS? I'd buy that.
>>27928744
Okay arfag, x39 is better than 300 black in every way besides not fitting ar mags
Like it more now?
>>27930911
Who said anything about 300 blackout?
If you are this fucking faggot >>27928990 feel free to kill yourself. And if you aren't, feel free to kill yourself too.
>>27928945
>out of a proper length barrel
>Recommending a carbine in .223
Nigga what?
X39 is perfect for the 527, if they werent fucking $1400 in Australia id buy one today
>>27928976
I jist dont understand why everyone is convinced x39 is inacurate, with a decent quality round, that will be still cheaper than some uber .223 just for hunting theyre an MOA round, thry just drop faster
>>27930964
Im trying to show the ar fag that x39 is a very capable calibre
>>27931007
trajectory and BC suck thats why
>>27931028
I am the AR fag, I never said 7.62x39 was a bad. I said I would recommend 5.56 to take advantage of a very accurate bolt action rifle. Most 7.62x39 ammo available is shit quality and shit consistency. As such, if you are getting a bolt action rifle it would be nice to have something that is a tack driver with easily available quality ammo-- which is the case for .223 that you can-- ranging from American Eagle black box (shit) to Hornady Superformance with plenty of stuff in between that you walk in to any gun shop and buy, where as plenty of places aren't going to bother with anything other than steel case or fucking core-lokt for a dollar a shot for AK food.
>>27930981
How can you even post so fast being australian and such
> $1400
Thats just rude, here in germany it cost 899€ at the most expensive shop
>>27929674
>barrels and bolts are cheap
Have you even looked at replacement barrels for CZ rifles? $350 minimum. And another $150-170 for the bolt.
IE, more than the cost of the whole fucking gun new.
Also, the 527 is a micro action, it will in no way shape or form fit a .308 regardless of which expensive barrel or bolt you try to fit on it.
>>27931072
Wow its not like the conversion rate from 899 Euro to AUD comes out to 1341 AUD or anything
Oh wait, but it does you fucking dumb ass
>>27930175
Then get one of the Zastava micro-mausers, they're also available in 7.62x39, .223/5.56, 5.45, .204ruger, and a few other calibers.
They're beyond garbage though.
>>27931072
It really is fucking lame, ended up picking a mossberg mvp because i found one second hand for $700 in good condition, but even they are a $1000 gun here
>>27930415
Can't do anything "tacticool" with them, and that bootyblasts that guy.
Likewise, you can't do anything accuracy-related with the moosburger either. There's zero aftermarket for it.
However, if you don't care about coffee-cup-sized groups and have no plans to ever modify it in any way, it's one of the cheapest .22's going.
>>27931114
just looked it up wtf i expected it to be way closer to the US Dollar
>>27931179
Aus dollar dived in the last few years, in the financial crisis we were trading at 1.10 USD (guns were amazingly cheap) however now its at .70USD so its hard to find anything decent quality under $1000 new
>>27930911
Once more you're fucking wrong.
With garbage bullets in .300blk, it still beats x39 in literally every category (accuracy, BC, velocity, recoil--not including reliability because we're talking boltguns and if you have an unreliable boltgun the gun itself is shit and the round is irrelevant).
.300blk is faster with similar bullet weights.
Comparing similar bullet weights (123gr for x39 to 125gr for .300blk) the .300blk is almost always 100-150fps faster through same-length barrels. This is not a large margin nor is it really a determining factor in anything, but hey you said it's worse in every category, and you were dead fucking wrong in -every- category.
Even the cheapo 147gr m80 reman stuff has a higher BC than ANY 123gr x39 load, and ALL of the 110-125gr hunting-specific bullets have a higher BC than the 123gr Hornady Vmax or any of the iffy slavic softpoints and hollowpoints (even the 125gr Vmax in .300blk because it's not a retarded bore diameter that turns it into a chode). Higher weight x39 is not available commercially, at least not in North America.
It is more accurate by a large margin. With the BEST OF THE BEST EVERYTHING even the 527 will be a 1.2-1.5MOA gun with x39. Literally any rifle in .300blk shooting over 1moa with any of the hunting rounds or over 1.5moa with the 147gr M80 reman is considered a shit rifle.
It recoils less with similar loads, by a large margin. This is due to being a fairly modern, efficient design, and burns about half the powder to propel similar weight bullets to slightly higher velocities. Through an 8lb rifle it's nearly 4lb-ft of force difference, which is fucking huge (considering .300blk only produces around 7lb-ft of force to start with, it's over 50%)
Oh, also;
>nobody previously brought up .300blk, stop moving the fucking goalposts and just admit you're wrong on an anonymous image board
>>27928717
I had one and sold it because I didn't have any real use for it. It has a lot of good features on paper, but some of them add up to be really annoying. Like the detachable magazine and mauser claw extractor which means that you have to pull out the mag every time you want to load it, since you can't load the mag from the breech or single load it.
I'd recommend it as a decent youth hunting rifle, but that's about it.
>>27931007
Because there are no truly high-quality x39 rounds available, anywhere, period. The best of the best are fucking Hornady SST's, and they are still a 1.5MOA round through an otherwise accurate rifle (like the 527) that is capable of OOTB sub-MOA with all other calibers.
Does it ultimately matter for deer, given the limitations the round infers on range (less than 150m due to the insane drop and crappy BC)? No. At pretty much any range you're not lobbing a bullet in like indirect fire (IE, within 250m) the good stuff should be capable of staying in a 6" circle, which is the max acceptable for hunting American whitetail (or 4" circle for antelope, Cou's whitetail, and some of the smaller Euro deer).
>>27931244
No, you do not have to pull out the magazine. You can top load the magazine
>>27931319
You probably could single load it without damaging the extractor, but I don't like doing it in a controlled feed action.
I don't see how you could load the magazine, though. It's a single feed design. It would be a massive pain in the ass, at the very lest.
>>27931379
I have never had a problem loading the magazine in mine
.204 Ruger
>>27931405
I guess you'll just have to take my word for it. The feed lips are very far forward, you'd have to insert the cartridge almost straight down.
This is full retard but the main reason wouldn't get this is because it can't accept AK magazines and cant feed off stripper clips
I am aware no other modern bolt action does this and it is straight retarded to expect it but it's what I dream of.
>>27931581
Australian International Arms has you covered
Its even in an Enfield style receiver
>>27931845
cant import to the states because of some vague Vietnam fucking shits ban and I'm pretty sure that company made shit guns anyway.
>>27932184
AIA guns are fucking brilliant, I've used one on pigs and they work well
OP here, the magazine issue does seem like it would be an issue, not being able to top load really is a down side.
Could anyone recommend another 7.62x39 rifle?
I was definitely thinking about an sks, people seem to adore the ones they get.
The only downside is I couldn't really get into hunting with it.
>>27932460
>Can't get into hunting
Th'fuck not? Learn to shoot with irons, get some decent fucking ammo and ruin bambi's day.
If you absolutely need glass look into a scout mount, otherwise, get some tech sights/ firesight and call it a day.
>>27932460
Howa are making a mini action 7.62x39
>>27931267
> Hornady 7.62x39 SST
> 1.5MOA in a bolt action CZ
Is that from personal experience or heresay?
I ask because I have a Bulgy clone AK that shoots 1.5" @ 100yards off a bench rest. Not to mention that the Lucky Gunner got <1" with his 527 and the Hornady ammo.
>>27928717
OP, if you want a handy little brush gun for hogs, I can think of far worse ways to go than the CZ.
>>27933094
no, it's people who have never shot a 527 saying "duur my $500 AK is innacurate, it must be the cartridge itself...not that I have a shit quality gun and shit ammo"
honestly I got shared when I shot the 527 because it was bulk ammo shooting 1.5 MOA max, I'd say groupings really were under MOA 8/10 times
>>27933490
Hornady steel match is no damn joke if you need to shoot in bulk for distance training, either in 7.62x39 or 5.56x45.
I may be biased though because I love the smell of whatever powder they use.
>>27928795
is 6.5x55 hard to come by?
>>27928717
10/22 with an unthreaded barrel, ~$200
>>27933741
PPU stocks it.
>>27933528
GT and yugo surplus is balls amazing. Out of my Wasr I was able to get 1.2 to 1 moa bench rest 5 shot cold bore group. The ak platform isn't known for accuracy just reliability.
The GT and Yugo is actually as cheap as steel wolf or just 3 more cents a round.with ballistic close to 30-30 I can see it being better in a good bolt action and getting great accuracy.
>>27934757
My problem with Golden Tiger is I've only seen it in full metal jacket. No go for me, both because of my local ranges and because of hunting.
I wish they made a spire point.
>>27934634
And that's about it, which is a damn shame. Hope you have a reloading setup.
>>27934807
If your local ranges are like mine then only non magnetic bullets are allowed then yugo is good enough and as for GT they do make SP and HP but I never can find it.
Wolf HP works well for me in hunting and so dose their SP for a cheaper alternative to a 1$+ a round for hunting.
