im looking for ideas on fortifications.
basically, something you could whip ut with, say, 12hrs notice of an incoming horde of dindus/isis/rabidclowns or whatever.
what fortications would you erect to protect your house? your street? your neighborhood?
>>27926581
dig down, seal the hole.
>>27926581
Sandbags.
>>27926581
Do you have a pickup truck?
Drive to home depot and buy as many Bags of all purpose play sand as you need
each one is 15x4x8 in
So to build a structure that is 5ft wide, with a depth of 2.5 ft and that is atleast 4ft tall you would need 60-70ish bags
Now you could just plolp 396.00+ tax and get 100 bags just to be safe.
>>27926687
i like this.
what are your thoughts on homemade razorwire r something similar?
or some tripwire perimiter alarms? come on guys, i need creativity
>>27926581
Grab a few shovels and a few mates.
Get to diggin.
>>27926687
Do this and alternate between A and B
So
ABABABABABAB
>>27926724
Razorwire/traps will get you sued
it counts a premeditation in the courts
Here's another.
>>27926724
Grab some mouse traps and glue shotgun primers on em. Perfect alarm snares.
>>27926740
Is barb wire Safe? I wouldn't want zombies/dindus/Isis to cut themselves on my razor wire!
>>27926740
i wont be worried about the courts when enemy soldiers are overrunning my neighborhood, but thanks for the graphic
Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man.
- Patton
>>27926736
this is what im looking for, thanks. do you have any more, or a sauce mabe?
>>27926800
Patton was talking about large, immobile fortifications like forts, castles, walls, et cetera.
Mobile warfare made fixed fortifications obsolete, as was seen in WWII.
How many different ways are there to dig a hole in the ground?
>>27926800
and no one general is the allknowing god of warfare.
fortifications can give you and your people time for a tactical retreat.
>>27926803
what's a grenade sump?
>>27926814
If only you knew.
>>27926814
my question was not limited to entrenchment, i meant any way to fortify a position.
damn yall are argumentative tonight
>>27926740
Razor wire will not get you into trouble. I work for a construction company, we put up a lot of razor and barb wire for private homes. You just can't use it as a trap.
>>27926818
a deeper hole in a hole to soak up shrapnel
>>27926581
You could try the time honored gabion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesco_bastion
>>27926818
a deeper hole dug inside the foxhole into which live grenades can be kicked to minimize damage from the explosion.
>>27926740
>single brick sandbag wall
Yeah, no. Always go double. Never single stack.
The entire Earth can be your fortification, go unnaground.
>>27926861
This guy... Is right.
Hesco bastions
>>27926861
>>27926897
A loader and a truckload of these can make a doom fortress in a few hours. You'd be amazed how fast engineers can knock a wall that can stop a VBIED with them.
>>27926813
>>27926817
Yeah, you guys are dumber than fuck.
>>27926897
If money's tight, go old school.
Hone your basket weaving skills.
>>27926928
Nice ad hominem, way to get your point across anon
>>27926928
way to add something useful to the dialogue.
isnt it a schoolnight?
>>27926940
>Nice ad hominem
Ad hominems are only ad hominems if they're true.
So what you're saying is that you actually are dumber than fuck?
You also didn't actually make an argument, so...what exactly was the purpose of this reply?
>>27926983
ad ho·mi·nem
ad ˈhämənəm/
adverb & adjective
1.
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
>>27926983
gve an explanation for your original statement or gtfo, if your not gona contribute.
there is a whole internet for you to act like a badass on, go somewhere else.
>>27926983
I'd be interested to know where you found that definition.
>>27927040
right, because this is the language arts board.
>>27927054
Man you are just filled with logical fallacies, aren't you?
>>27927028
>>27927040
How exactly does it count as an attack against you unless it's true?
Like if I said "You're not right because you're a pony", but you're actually a human, is that an ad hom?
It's perfectly self-evident that ad homs must be true to be ad homs. Otherwise they're simply factually inaccurate at best, or slander at worst.
>>27927110
Well for the sake of the argument, let's say I am stupid. How does that factor into the usage of fortifications?
>>27926581
hesco barriers and front loader
/thread
well thanks for the replies guys.
>>27927099
grats on ruining an on-topic thread with your autism. you should try /pol/ they'd like you
Dig a deep and wide ditch, pile all the dirt into a wall on your side of the ditch. They have to get into the ditch to get across and now that they're down in the ditch the dirt wall is even higher above them, and they cannot scale it easily.
>>27927175
> assuming melee combatants
go back to LARP'ing.
impractical as fuck
do you have access to any heavy equipment? large storage of cement castings?
I would have holes spaced out along wherever you want to block off. Have some steel poles connected by like a chain fence or whatever. When you expect some kind of incursion, just go out the steel poles in the ground and lock them to the base
Depends on where you live.
I'd say you'd be hard pressed to fortify shit if you lived in say suburbia or a major city on your own.
>>27926868
This.
Can confirm double wall is best wall. Got buried under a single wall before. Shit ain't fun.
>>27926581
a big stack of barbed wire would deter most casual looters/dindus
In the case of ISIS if they want into your house then they're going to get in. Better off bugging out if something like that happens
>>27926581
>something you could whip ut with, say, 12hrs notice
trenches and sandbags using a backhoe and barbed wire
anything from ww1
traps and homemade landmines
there's a pretty sweet mine on the side of a hill about 5 miles from me, it's got these fancy gates that you could totally fit a gun through and the view from it is good because it overlooks the valley.
Me and mcniggerator or whatevr his trip was visited it together once
>>27926919
>enemy constructs sand dunes covering 1000lbs bombs
>try to cross
>no more platoon
>gee, how do you cross
>inb4 fire truck
>spray down sand dune
>detonate bomb
>no more perimeter
I built a garage out of ICF. It's the go to place for natural or man made disasters.
>>27927975
What is ICF?
>>27928199
Insulating concrete foam
>>27926800
We can win the war with them like they are!
-Patton on the M4 Sherman before they were modified to be decent.
This brings up a question i've always had
why were the Germans better at building trenches, bunkers, etc. during WW1? And probably WW2?
WW1 field manuals had instructions on how to make a concertina roll out of barbef wire. Likewise old manuals talk about how to weave fsscine gabions out of brush wood. I've seen I structions on how to use concrete reinforcing mesh and tie wire to create gabions you fill with rocks. Tangle foot is a wire obstacle I've always thought held great promise for civilians fortifing a position. Bollards will stop cars and can be made with steel pipe or wood poles like telephone poles or rail road timbers.HUD has instructions on boarding up windows and doors of abandoned buildings you may find useful. Chain link fencing might make good window screening while allowing you to see and shoot out. If this thread is still alive I'll add more when I get home. Check out a blog called lizard farmer. He had a multi part series on fortifying a survival retreat, farm or small neighborhood. Also Google rhodeasian farmer defenses. Should get an article about how Rhodesian farmers hardened their places against assault by commie terrorist.
>>27926687
If you have time you can fill your own earth bags too, I have a decent bug out building that me and a group of 10 friends banged out in about 2 days. It is a sandbag house that has a wooden frame. We filled the sand bags up with the basement we dug.
>>27926724
>>27926740
Razor wire will not get you in trouble, it is not a trap but a fence, although I prefer natures razor wire, aka blackberry bushes. Seriously If you want a good natural fence plant blackberry bushes.
>>27927140
would it be stupid to build a fortress out of them like a bigger sand bag house? I want to build a massive fortress out of them now.
>>27927958
Pour concrete over dune, your pile of sand is now a permanent and water proof structure.
>>27926581
box full of rox
>>27928590
Two big points come to mind.
First, the Germans after the First Battle of the Marne were able to withdraw to defensible positions -- they got to pick where their lines were, and managed to generally dig in on the high ground.
Second, the Germans in 1915 were focusing most of their offensive efforts on the Eastern Front, so while the English/French/Belgians were digging temporary trenches in the hopes of punching through the German lines, the Germans were digging in to stay.
>>27926581
That 12 hour prep time really limits your options unless you have heavy machinery.
You won't be making bunkers or anything, settle for barriers. Use pallets. Stack 6 feet high straight up, then each successive pallet gets offset 3 inches out from the one underneath. Final height is 8 feet, with the top 2 feet forming an overhang to prevent easy climbing.
Align all pallets so you can run 2X4s through the fork slots to lock the stack together. Anchor the whole assembly with 18 inch stakes of 1/2 or 3/4 inch rebar driven into the ground or pavement. If necessary, use additional rebar to pin a stack together. Cordless screwgun and sawzall are also good to help speed assembly.
If you have enough time, face your barrier with plywood. This makes climbing even more difficult. Then face the plywood with 1/4 inch sheetrock to give a good level of fire protection.
>>27927975
that overhang is coming off in high wind
HESCO style bastions would be the fastest method for one person building a fortification.
Anything else wouldn't be much.
There's only so much one guy can do in 12 hours.
>>27929748
Three large bolts through 4" of concrete. Not worried.
>>27927975
>>27930118
Mind if I ask how much it cost? Me and my dad have been looking to build a garage on our property and that one looks perfect.
>>27930198
It cost me about $12,000 but I have a friend who is an ICF dealer/contractor and I used buddy labor and did most of the work myself. If you look at the third and fourth pictures you can see a 1/2" difference in block thickness. That's because we used two different manufactures of block (I took what I could get). I had to fur out the gables for the siding where the block transitioned. Lot's of bartering and trading. Most of the engineered joist I used for the rear rafters were free (wrong size shipped to a friends job) and the loft deck is built on 4x6 pin oak beams another friend milled for me for helping him clear a woodlot. Generally ICF is 10 to 15 percent more than frame construction but you get an R20 or better wall with zero air infiltration and the strength of poured concrete. I live in the great Lakes snow belt and don't have any heat in that garage and it never got below 30 degrees in there for the past two winters. Yes, I did insulate the ceiling. If I ever build another house, it will absolutely be ICF footer-to-eaves.
>>27930451
Here's another picture that shows the two steel beams I used. One to support the loft and the ridge so I could clear span and keep the whole inside open. I hung a trolley with a 2 ton chain hoist on the lower beam for car work and whatnot. No need for any other posts or support for the steel other than pockets in the concrete. My father keeps threatening to move into the loft.
>>27930451
>>27930606
That's awesome anon, thanks
>>27930198
Also, ICF can be finished off a lot of different ways. My township requires that detached garages have to be finished to match the main structure so I had to do that. T111 would have been just fine otherwise.
