Ok so what the fuck is going on with this .40 meme?
Why are people treating it like a joke?
.40 s&w is fucking cake nigga, it shits on 9mm and acp.
>inb4 compromise
Night suck my dick
>>27920980
if by shits on you mean is basically the same as
then yeah it shits on 9mm
>>27920980
> it shits on 9mm
lol
it's +P 9mm with less capacity
>>27921000
They make 40 +p as well smart ass
If you have a .45, you can shoot .45 Super....
.45 Super is pretty much identical to 10mm.
.45 ACP is the only pistol cartridge with a confirmed plane kill. Speaking of which, the 1911 is the only pistol with a confirmed plane kill.
Get fucked, Glock!
>>27921032
Here again.....
There's a .40 Super, but it's just not as easy as .45 Super.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.40_Super
Those numbers are impressive though.
>>27921032
>the 1911 is the only pistol with a confirmed plane kill.
I almost forgot about that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_J._Baggett
>>27921032
Is this a good 45 pistol? Will it shoot 45 super?
>>27921075
>One Zero approaching within several feet of Baggett, then nose-up and in an almost-stall, the pilot opened his canopy.
Yeah, I'm really sure this happened.
>>27920980
It's entire existance was based on current 9mm loadings being unsatisfactory for the feds. Feds went back to 9mm after JHP performance improved, and now .40 has nowhere to go.
>>27921104
I'm not one to let the truth get in the way of a good story. The world is a better place believing that a man shot down a plane with a 1911.
>>27921012
Hope you like kabooms dumb ass
40 cal hi pressure is bad enough +p = broken gun.
9mm fag here.
The size you choose doesn't really fucking matter. There are trade-offs of each.
9mm you get larger mag capacity
.40 you get larger wound channel
I have 12+1 hollowpoints ready to go. Size doesn't matter, go practice shooting and carry whatever the fuck you want.
>>27921111
Except with the same bullet design and non faggy wrists it goes faster with more mass... Win win...
>>27921048
I use .40 Super hand reloads in my Glock 22 off duty and swap the barrel/recoil rod/springs back to .40 S&W when I have to go to work. I have my .40 Supers running at 3,281 ft/s(average) and 1,298 ft/lbs at the muzzle with special molybdenum disulfide-coated 30 grain FMJ projectiles that I have made for myself. They will penetrate through 40.26 inches of ballistics gel after going through a Level IIIA soft armor panel with a IIIA trauma insert. No, they are not classified as Armor Piercing.
>>27921095
Go to the company website. You'll probably need stronger springs and that's it. But check it out to be sure. I'd recommend a recoil buffer.
>>27921104
>>27921115
It's on Wikipedia as well as plenty of other sites. It was allegedly investigated and confirmed.
>>27921115
If it's a lie, you should let it be known.
>>27921227
Holy shit... I need to check this out...
>>27921195
.40 and 9mm chamber pressures are identical. 35000 psi everyone on the internet is fucking retarded apparently. Case failures were due to shitty handgun designs with unsupported chambers, that is all.
>>27921249
pic related
>>27921237
>it's allegedly confirmed
Uh huh
>>27921227
There's tons of workarounds with AP. You can buy sabot cups to shoot .223 bullets from a .308 or 30'06 and get like 5,000 FPS easy.
There's a 50 grain 9mm ammo that goes 2,000 FPS from pretty much any pistol and it defeats soft body armor but is still legal....
What the fuck is wrong with our laws? I'm legitimately concerned about my country.... I almost went mad trying to comprehend it.
>>27921237
One of the sources (his obituary) says it was a revolver. The other sources are either dead links or articles jerking off about the 1911 saying "one time I heard it did this."
In fact one of the source articles from American Rifleman says this, "While there is no direct evidence that Lt. Owen Baggett did in fact take down a Japanese fighter plane with a handgun, many believe it to be true. Regardless, this is a great story of a courageous man involving a legendary pistol."
>>27921264
Just Google "Japanese zero shot down by 1911"
Just GOOGLE it.
Look into it yourself.
I wasn't there.... but a ton of people say it really happened.
This means the 1911 is the uncontested greatest handgun off all time and .45 ACP is the best cartridge in the world.
You just can't top that. It's the ultimate trump card.
>>27921270
Were airmen issued service revolvers?
It should be pretty easy to figure out what happened.
>>27921284
see: >>27921270
>>27920980
didn't the FBI abandon the caliber?
I gave s good rundown of why I mostly use a .40 in some thread yesterday, i think RIPshill thread, but dunno.
Mostly more mass = more predictable paths after penetrating bone and intermediate barriers and I don't have to supply and train a bunch of faggots.
>>27921217
And less carrying capacity to power ratio, higher impulse (snappier recoil), and a higher chamber pressure (extra wear on parts and barrel).
No, No, and No.
Why do .40 fags always feel the need to justify their poor choice of caliber.
If you want to get a good gun, get a 10mm and be the true king over 9mm .40 & .45
![[Triggering intensifies].gif](https://i.imgur.com/A499TVX.gif "[Triggering intensifies].gif")
>>27921362
tfw S&W 610 in 10mm
>>27921362
>10mm: The meme continues
>>27921362
this
>>27921291
Ok, so you googled it... found countless of threads about it on gun sites, articles on it in gun sites, Wikipedia entries, and.......
Only one inconsistency.
What are you trying to say?
That you can't believe it?
Anything is possible anon :)
>>27921243
They even amaze me sometimes. They leave a six inch permanent wound cavity the entire length with a 8.34 inch hydrostatic shock wound cavity and fragment into six to eight pieces at the 32.72 inch mark from a five inch barrel. The fragments leave 2.38 inch leading edge cuts into the tissue as they continue traveling on. I put in, veins, arteries, muscles and bone, and vertebrae from hogs in the ballistic gel that I use and wrap the blocks in de-haired hogs skin and fat.
>>27921362
.45s can shoot .45 Super.
It's a stalemate.
The 1911 saved us from the Germans twice, the Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans, kebabs, and the zerg.
And not only can it shoot something just as powerful as your beloved 10mm, it can be converted to shoot .460 Rowland.... which is as powerful as .44 magnum.
BTFO
>>27921284
>>27921387
7/10
You made it too obvious with the "I wasn't there.... but a ton of people say it really happened."
>>27921332
>higher chamber pressure
Already covered this. You're a fucking know-nothing, stop posting. Both rounds have a 35000 psi max pressure.
>(extra wear on parts and barrel)
lolno, possibly slightly less spring life due to more energy
>carrying capacity to power ratio
Don't even know what you're trying to say here. 16 9mm vs 13 .40 has more "power"? Not doing pointless retard math to figure this one out.
>higher impulse
Sure, which is why if manbabbys and ladyfolk have to be trained I'd choose a 9mm
>>27921430
they look pretty small next to that... thumb...
oh fuck
>>27921261
What happened there? Seems like more a manufacturing problem than a design one (although 2 part barrel...) and the barrel separated from the chamber due to a poor weld or whatever. Squib followed by a live round or some crazy double charge?
Here are some stone cold facts for you motherfuckers
>40s&w is dirived of the 10mm cartrage because FBI pussies couldn't manage the recoil.
>40 allows you to have almost the same ammo capacity as 9mm with minimal sacrifice
>40 also alows you to fire a bullet with more mass than 9mm and more velocity than 45
>+p loads for 40 are not much less than 45
>40 penetrates barriers better than 45 due to its slimmer profile
>overall in certain platforms you get more power down range per mag with 40 than you do 9mm or 45
now for some numbers
>9mm-115gr-1300ft/s-420ft/lbs
>9mm+p-115gr-1400ft/s-500ft/lbs
>40-155gr-1205-500
>10mm-155-1500-774
>45acp-230-900-414
>45acp+p-200gr-1080-518
>38 super-150-1148-439
>45 super-230-1100-618
so if all you acp fags care about is power, go pick up a 10mm.
>>27920980
id rather have 9mm for capacity and better recoil control and shot placement.
but in AWB states, it would be better to just get the bigger round like .45 or tree fiddy seben for more power since capacity is out of the option
I would like a .40 USP compact for winter carry, but its quite a bit more expensive than other options.
>>27921430
tiny dick desu
>>27921515
OR... we could just load .45 Super instead and have the exact same performance as 10mm.
OR.... we could just put a hotter charge in our handloads and get 10mm performance OR we could use a very light weight bullet and get crazy FPS.... while still styling on you with 1911 class your gun can't match.
Or we could drop in a new barrel and take .460 Rowland in grizzly country for a nice vacay.
>>27921416
We're you there for WW2?
How do you know it happened?
>>27921513
>what happened ?
wear
>there is over 100Ft/Lbs of energy between 10mm and 45 super
>going to carry a giant .460 with that barrel componsater?
>going to blow up your hand by loading 45 super in a barrel that is not designed for it?
have fun annon
>>27921393
>embedding dead tissue with zero blood pressure or muscle tension inside a gel designed and formulated to simulate muscle tension and fluid content of living pig muscle
Just use bone...
>>27921702
I use a special pump to give it a blood pressure and blood circulation. I know someone skilled enough to take the hearts, lungs, liver, spinal cord, diaphram, stomach, intestines, veins, arteries, blood vessels and everything else out of a hog without causing any tears to them and in one piece. I cast the ballistic gel around that. The entry wound was smaller than a dime, the exit was the size of a small watermelon.
>>27921746
Why you lyin', nigga?
>>27921775
I am not. The first projectile retained 87% of its 30 grain mass and only lost 974.34 ft/s upon exit. It began tumbling once it pasted the 25.6 inch mark. I tested fire again and that is when I got the fragmenting presentation. I am working on a 31 grain and a 28.6 grain load with Bonded JHP now and that will hopefully still have the same presentations as the first shot. I will be sure to video tape those tests in their full entirety. I am working on 5.7x28mm, .380 ACP, 9x19mm +P+, 9x22mm(.357 SIG) +P+, 9x23mm Winchester, .40 S&W +P, 10x25mm +P, 9x25mm Dillon, .45 ACP +P+, .45 Super +P, .460 Rowland +P, and .50 GI +P+ loads, as well. I might start selling them soon for 50 round per pack once I get stable results and the right approvals. 5.7x28mm - $30.00, .380 ACP - $25.00 9x19mm - $21.00, .357 SIG - $27.00 .40 S&W - $29.95, .40 Super - $30.00, .45 ACP - $33.00, .45 Super - $25.00, .460 Rowland - $38.95, .50 GI - $42.99.
>>27920980
Most fortay hate is from armchair commandos that are parroting one article about how the FBI was going to move back to 9mm. They havent yet, although agents can now carry 9mm if they choose, .40 is still king when it comes to LEO and GOV agencies. It has some advantages over 9mm/.45 and it has some downsides as well. Overall not a bad round IMO, neither is 9mm or .45.
>>27921430
HE HAS NO DICKHOLE HAHAHAHA
HOW DO YOU PEE F A M
>>27921560
I had never heard of people having recoil issues with .40 anywhere until visiting here and reddit. Limp wrist-ed ham planets are probably to blame.
>>27922029
My first Glock was a police trade-in Gen 3 22. It has been flawless. I later bought a 23 police trade-in and a brand new 27 Gen 4. I honestly don't shoot that much so the amount of shekels I saved by going .40S&W more than makes up for the small premium on ammo costs.
>>27922055
This
But im pretty sure the anti .40 saying that are mostly no guns
>>27922055
I agree, this board is worse than other forums
>>27920980
>and acp
you realize there's not only 1 "acp" round?
>>27921075
>lucky hit on pilot
>plane kill
by this logic the box cutter is the only weapon with a plane+building kill.
>>27922838
I you really that autistic to start an argument over little worthless shit? We all know he's referring to the 45 you fucking asspie
>>27921095
Yes. I own one and it shoots 45 super without modification.
>>27920980
9mm will kill criminal scum dead.
.40 will kill criminal scum dead.
10mm will kill criminal scum dead.
.45 will kill criminal scum dead.
Other than that it's all personal preference. I usually carry either my Glock 20 in 10mm or my 1911 in .45 with .45 super rounds. That being said if I had a Sig p226 in 9mm or a USP in .40 I'd trust those to kill whatever criminal scum I am shooting at dead as well. Get over the caliber wars already. Shot placement is king penetration is queen. Everything else is icing on the cake.
>>27920980
Mine is bigger than yours.
>>27920840
>>27922950
referring to .45 acp as simply acp is fucking stupid. There are 4 different acp cartridges in production.
>>27921012
yes. its called 10mm
40 +p is also known as 40 my dumb ass hand-loaded a kaboom
>>27923128
Is it stupid? Yes. Is it more stupid to sperg out and start an argument over it when everyone knows he's referring to .45 ACP? Also yes. Are you socially retarded or something?
>>27923159
>pronounced john cena jawline
>>27922055
Hamplanet here. I'm pretty sure it's a lack of guns and knowledge about guns problem. Otherwise, it's gotta be wrists. I shoot three different loads of .40, and I do not notice much of a difference between each, or any of them vs. 9mm.
>>27922883
underrated
>>27923159
As far as I know, only some older glock barrels have issues with +p .40. Make sure you have full case support chamber wise. Pic related.
>>27923226
>LWD
?
Also is this a pretty perfect image to depict varying degree of case support?
If the far right is like 98% (2% being the sliver over the feed ramp), is the middle one like 95%? and the 1998 barrel like 92%?
I know it's kinda off-topic but I'm starting to reload and want to be able to identify non/fully supported chambers
>>27923258
Lone Wolf
>>27921212
what trigger? doesnt look stock
>>27923279
damn. interesting. they have a more fully supported chamber huh? I realize there are probably durability implications, but does the lack of flare mess with feeding?
Basically, why does Glock not do it the lone wolf way to begin with?
thanks anon
>>27921265
it's the Liberty ammo, i use it in all my pistols. it's pretty expensive but very effective at what it does.
>>27923226
.40 +p isn't standardized, there isn't a SAAMI spec for it, it's generally a bad idea to use ammo of unknown pressures, but you do you and there are some good manufacturers who will stand behind their +p+ bullshit when a case ruptures.
As a reminder 9mm and .40 SAAMI max pressure is 35000 psi. most guns designed for these rounds are proofed to a little under 50,000 psi, so unlikely to be a problem, but I'm happy with the performance of 180 gr standard pressure, so whatever.
>>27923307
I think they do now. It took some kabooms but they figured it out.
>>27923349
Yeah I don't think anybody would recommend a regular diet of it. Personally, I am satisfied with the performance of standard pressure Gold Dots, so that's what I run.
>>27920980
The thing that needs to be understood about .40 is that it is in fact better than either .45 or 9mm, but only on paper.
The ballistic advantage isn't very significant and for most purposes it isn't worth the practical trade-offs (shootability, capacity, ammo cost, etc.).
There are advantages in other categories however, which is why I own one.
>A .40 is usually much cheaper on the used market than the same gun in 9mm because no one wants it.
Usually a 50-100$ difference but it can be several hundred dollars on the more expensive platforms.
>Some .40 guns can be converted to 9mm with a drop-in barrel.
>Being able to run .40 is handy during a panic because it's always on the shelf and the price never seems to go up.
because it is... 10mm=master race
.40 S&W was a compromise for women that couldn't handle the recoil of the 10mm
>>27921115
I imagine you're a pretty OK person.
>>27921515
Would you fagots stop posting energy numbers like they fucking mean anything.
.40 penetrates the best, and it get the least effected by bone too.
>2016
>People still arguing over 9, 40, and 45 as though it makes any difference at all
>People actually recommending carrying meme rounds like 10mm and 45acp for every day carry and self defense
ISHYGDDT
>>27920980
OP is right.
9mm is cheaper though, I'll give it that.
9mm is also easier for nubs and limp wristed faggots.
So I guess 9mm really has those to things going for it but as a whole, OP is totally correct.
>>27921412
>>27921746
At that point, just catch a hog and shoot it.
>>27924472
Are you one of the retards who advocates using .22 LR for self defense?
.40 S&W was only popular because of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban. There was no point in owning a gun that was built to carry 15 rounds of 9mm when you could only get mags that carry 10. If you only get 10 shots, why not make them .40?
>>27921032
>implying it was the gun itself and not the ammo
Fucking 1911 fags just can't let it go
>>27920980
Let's say you have a choice between 10 rounds of 9mm and 10 rounds of .40 S&W, both in a carbine form (16 inch barrel)
which do you pick and why? The 9mm is rated for +P, btw
(I'm having trouble deciding between 9mm and .40 Hi Point Carbines, if you haven't figured out)
>>27926179
The .40 should be rated +p also. I've also heard of people reaming the chambers on .40 hi points to chamber and shoot 10mm
>>27921412
But the 9mm executed millions of Jews and other undesirable types. Trayvon and Michael Brown too.
>Your Move .45
>>27921513
Thats not a weld failure. That would also be a retarded spot to put a weld. Kill yourself.
>>27921515
>>40s&w is dirived of the 10mm cartrage because FBI pussies couldn't manage the recoil.
Actually before the FBI went to the .40, they already addressed the issue of 10mm recoil by going with lighter loads. The reason they went to the shorter .40 is because they still had problems with manlet agents gripping a 10mm gun. The .40 not only performed similarly to the FBI-load of the 10mm, but could fit in a smaller frame.
What If I told you.. there was only one 1911. Ever. It is the spirit of John Moses Browning Incarnate.
Sure, maybe you've seen a box of them. or photos with rough men using them in combat. But its all just the same single gun.
It changes, depending on what freedom needs, at that time.
It can multiply itself, change its shade, tactical? sure.
But I wouldnt tell you that.
That's crazy, man.
>>27920980
Yes, it's a "meme" that people still continue to push.
The truth is that .40 hits nearly as hard the .45 and has the same amount of felt recoil with the added bonus of better velocity and capacity. The 9mm is measurably weaker than the .40, but it's more controllable and good for follow-up shots and beats out the .40 for same reason the .40 is better than the .45.
Personally, the .40 is my caliber of choice and I feel it's earned its place as one of the Top 3 common pistol cartridges. Doesn't matter, though, since now I have a both a 9mm barrel and a .40 barrel for my Beretta and can swap calibers in less than 30 seconds. I also see .45 as a fudd caliber for people that think they are soldier in the 20th century. It's prolific enough to warrant keeping a place in the Top 3.
