So does anyone have info on where the guns used in Paris came from?
Were they at any point legal, or were they imported illegally?
Were they full auto or semi?
>>27919029
>Not using the catalog.
>>27919043
There's no thread with this question.
>>27919029
Smuggled in full retard AK's and pump action shotguns. The fact they had ammo for these weapons outside an armory only adds to the smuggling factor
>>27919107
>Smuggled in full retard AK's
Got any source?
>>27919110
ten seconds in google
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0389g14
>>27919029
Belgium
>>27919125
That doesn't confirm anything.
>>27919137
If you don't want to believe the expert the BBC asked, find your own sources.
>>27919150
All he said was "arms going from Belgium to France is rather minor".
There is zero confirmation on what the Paris attackers used.
>>27919158
No, he said that the sources of arms were North Africa and Eastern Europe. Unless there's a secret AK-47 factory somewhere in the Élysée, the guns came from one or the other.
>>27919179
He said that IN GENERAL they come from there.
There are AKs in Belgium and France and Switzerland and the Netherlands, ... as well.
#.تشتعل_باريس
>>27919185
Yes, and Big Bill's AK-47 Emporium and Beer Store doesn't operate in any of those nations. So again, it had to come either via North Africa or Eastern Europe (which really means Bosnia).
>>27919200
What?
You do know you can legally buy AKs in countries like Belgium and France right?
>>27919185
Right, but let's be realistic here.
There are thousands upon thousands of refugees fleeing regions where full retard AKs are more common than clean drinking water. You can in fact (crazy idea here.) Break down an AK into its components and hide them with Makmouds mother and sister for Makmouds to reassemble when they arrive.
>>27919200
you can still buy shit in belarus and the ukraine.
For sure there are weapons in nl
>>27919204
Not the full-fun models
>>27919213
god you're so desperate to figure out how to blame refugees
>>27919185
The ones at Charlie Hebdo allegedly came from Bosnia. I see no reason why they would bother getting them from somewhere else. Libya is another contender, but that would mean they would have to get them to Sicily, then mainland Italy and then to France, which seems a bit more troublesome. From Bosnia you can just get them into Croatia (i hear the border is pretty porous) and from then, you're in the EU, so you can practically carry them in your trunk.
>>27919204
Not full fun ones, and it's not so easy to get them in France or Belgium for your average wannabe jihadi. It's far easier just to smuggle the things in.
>>27919219
Most of them come via a more circuitous route, and via trusted links. The Bosnian mafia controls a lot of them in the east.
>>27919229
>>27919250
What makes you think the weapons used in Paris were full auto?
>>27919241
If you think this is unrelated to the refugee crisis you have your head 8 the sand.
>>27919213
You're just trying to find reason to bash refugees. Not that i mind but that lack the slightest modicumcommon sense in your searches for validation of your preconceptions.
What is the more probable, that terrorist cells used criminal networks installed since the late 90s, centered around Belgium and linked to balkan states and already tied with the most unsavory islamist groups, or asked migrants to hide AK pieces up their asses while they were travelling accross the whole of europe with barely more than the shirts on their back?
>>27919213
That doesn't prove a thing. It's literally speculation.
>>27919241
>>27919261
Well, there was at least one refugee among the attackers.
Shows what you know.
>>27919256
Uh, because you can hear and see the damn things on videos?
>>27919264
There was one refugee's passport so far as far as we know. Please note the difference.
Well a number of things need to be considered.
First, the idea that post Soviet crash, that meant every slavic weapon on the black market ergo must have been from Russia. This is a lie, it was more a windfall than anything. There are more AKs out there from Egypt and Bulgarian colonies in Africa than there are those from Russia.
Second, two features on the majority of the AKs stand out. The ridged dust cover and the wood pistol grip, the other half have metal pins in the butt stock, a swelled handguard as well as not having ports in the gas tube.
The point?
Half of the AK's are from Belgium, right around 1960 when the empire fell, tens of thousands were released onto the market and Belgium only kept selling them to warlord.
The other half are Egyption. Egypt has a long history selling firearms from their stores and given the features, it's glaringly obvious.
tl;dr Definitely from Africa, one's Belgian other is Egyption.
>>27919241
I'm not blaming refugees at all.
But you need to look at it objectively.
There's a swarm of innocent people trying to escape war torn regions. There were obviously terrorists hiding amongst the swarm, which ISIS admitted to doing. How naieve are you to think there aren't gun runners operating alongside with the people traffickers or amongst the innocents.
>>27919271
>you can hear them
I never heard FA fire.
I heard quick semi-auto shots.
>you can see them
You can't visually tell a full-auto AK from an AK converted to semi auto.
>>27919256
Because they were smuggled in by criminal networks and not purchased on the legitimate market. They may have just fired them in semi-auto during the attacks, however.
>>27919291
>Because they were smuggled in by criminal networks and not purchased on the legitimate market
Source?
>>27919296
Find me a source showing that the AK-47s were legally purchased by the jihadis in France or Belgium, or any EU nation for that matter.
>>27919273
>Zastava M70
Source?
>>27919296
>what is logic
>>27919296
Highly unplausible considering how tight are gun laws in France. More probable is that they were neutralized ex-military weapons, easily available and loosely regulated in Belgium, and fixed back to functional state by enthusiastic gunsmiths.
>>27919029
>turning what clearly without a doubt is a mudslime problem into a gun control debate.
>"hurr durr europe would be fine if everyone had guns!"
>100 percent of stranger rapes in oslo norway committed by refugees, 9/10 against norwegian women.
>Sweden rape increased by 500 percent since immigration.
This is why as a gun owner and vehement gun legalization supporter hate you people.
>>27919285
you just have to be really careful how you phrase things or people will strawman you just like I did and suddenly your point will become invalid
>>27919322
*I hate
>>27919320
Or they just smuggled them through Marseilles like they do with drugs and other shit. Bribe a few dockworkers and go on your merry way.
>>27919303
>>27919311
>>27919320
So no source, got it.
>>27919150
>expert the BBC asked
>expert
>BBC
If your news source also happens to stand for Big Black Cock you're better off watching fox news on mute.
>>27919322
What in the world are you trying to say to me?
>>27919340
Maybe be a bit more thorough with your lazy-ass OPs next time.
Faggot.
>>27919241
nigger lover
>>27919334
That's indeed a possibility, but less plausible considering the organisation of the attack is centered around Belgium. At the moment there is no more info as far as I know. Please note that whoever is the anon in the other thread describing the equipment gives no goddamn source.
>>27919335
Time magazine
http://time.com/3687334/arms-smuggling-europe-balkans/
>A French police source told TIME that the weapons from the Charlie Hebdo attack came from the Balkans.
>>27919341
lol fag
>>27919335
Don't know the source. I do know how to use the fucking catalog, however.
>>27919282
This is the dumbest thing I read all day.
>>27919353
Let me spoonfeed you.
Faggot.
>>27919353
Holy shit you're assmad
>>27919355
oh hey, stormfag, we had a little argument the other day, you called me a mexican a bunch of times then got BTFO by my superior nordic/germanic genetics and enlightened worldview
>>27919241
Uhhh how the fuck can't you blame this terrorist attack directly on sand nigger refugees? I can't believe /pol/ was right...again...
>>27919362
>Time magazine
I'm asking about the guns used in the recent attacks, not Charlie Hebdo.
>>27919370
Joke's on you, I copied what the other guy said word for word.
>>27919359
I don't find the re-activated firearms theory plausible, frankly. It's much more likely that they were smuggled either via sea or land into either Belgium or France. The other possibility is that they came via Germany, like those other arms that were seized several days ago.
>>27919368
Making a proper OP is spoonfeeding now?
>>27919029
The main sources of illegal firearms in Europe is Ex-Yugo countries. During the Yugoslavian wars, an extremely large stock of military guns disappeared in the hands of various people and ended up on the black market. Another source is North-Africa and specifically Lybia. The war allowed many military weapons to fall into the wrong hands and end up on the black market.
A smaller source is weapons stolen from various military or police forces throughout EU countries, usually with the help of someone on the inside.
The last, smallest source is legal guns that were stolen from shooting ranges or sport shooters/hunters' homes. Pretty irrelevant though since legal gun owners are limited to semi-auto weapons and few actually have interesting guns from a terrorist/criminal's point of view since most people own hunting or antique guns.
The attacks on Paris were most likely done with Zastava M70AB2, in their original select fire function, straight out of Bosnia/Albania/Kosovo. It is the most widely used gun in terrorist attacks/criminals activities.
I see what you are trying to do though, you are trying to link terrorist attacks to legal gun owners, as EU politicians are currently doing, with their plan to ban some categories of weapons such as semi-automatics. It won't have any effect on crime and terrorism but it will temporarily boost some leftist politician's popularity "look my voters, I solved the problem by banning legal guns!"
>>27919371
Do you think there is one person here who says nigger? Dumb ass American your genetics are irrelevant, besides I bet you're a manlet.
>>27919029
>>27919370
>Knocks perfectly good threads down because it can't into catalog.
>Isn't somehow cancer.
>>27919399
>starts a thread about the November 2015 Paris attacks
>doesn't mention Paris
>>27919392
>5'11"
>170 pounds
>manlet
>implying you aren't a stormfag too
>>27919376
The guns came from similar origins. They were not legally purchased in any EU nation.
>>27919406
>They were not legally purchased in any EU nation.
Source?
>>27919371
>"enlightened"
>politically correct autist demands more 3rd world scum be allowed to murder more innocent europeans in the name of multiculturalism
>"my point is so great I have to give it a positive label to just to imply it!"
Oh do tell me more about this "enlightenment" you plan to drive us into extinction with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44vzMNG2fZc
>>27919408
No, it's your job to prove they were legally purchased.
>>27919412
hey look everybody I found the stormfag
>>27919414
See the OP doofus.
I'm asking for info, not your opinion.
>>27919029
There are many possibilites. Most likely is that they stem from the balkans at one point, but considering how many guns are circulating in France and europe overall, who knows.
>>27919408
>>27919335
>>27919110
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/paris-attacks-how-were-isis-terrorists-able-obtain-kalashnikov-ak-47-assault-rifles-1528834
I got you pham
>>27919424
Source for their legal purchase, please.
#.تشتعل_باريس
>>27919436
I don't have any.
Which is why I started this thread, to ask for info.
You on the other hand said the guns were illegal, so please state your source.
>>27919419
>calls me a pejorative because he can't actually disprove my point
Exactly what I expected.
>>27919453
Prove they were legally purchased.
>>27919468
Why would I need to do that?
>>27919474
As you have no proof they were legally purchased, then it follows that they were smuggled in illegally, just like all the guns used in all the other jihadi attacks in France and the rest of the EU.
>>27919468
>>27919453
They weren't legally purchased in France.
They might have been legally purchased in some Eastern-European shithole, then brought back to France, which makes them "illegal", anyways.
>>27919468
That's impossible without requisitioning receipts and transfer data from when (if that) they were purchased.
>>27919419
What's really awesome is that Zyklon Ben has become one.
>>27919488
>As you have no proof they were legally purchased, then it follows that they were smuggled in illegally
This is retarded.
You're retarded.
Let me turn this shit around for you, so you can see how retarded you are:
"As you have no proof they were illegally purchased, then it follows that they were purchased legally"
>>27919489
>They weren't legally purchased in France.
Source?
I agree that this is the most likely scenario, but the point of this thread is to find solid information.
>>27919494
No, you'd just need to check to see if the jihadis who used them were legally registered in France as their owners.
>>27919504
You're still wrong, they weren't legally purchased, and you can't prove they were. Despite your whining, you can't support your indefensible position.
>ITT, OP doesn't read the links provided and insists on being a faggot.
>>27919462
>posts that
>expects not to be called a stormfag
>>27919434
>The perpetrators of the worst terrorist attack in France since the Second World War may have bought the weapons from an illegal broker
More speculation.
I guess there's no confirmation out there yet, we'll just have to wait it seems.
>>27919504
French law about firearms makes his logic perfectly valid.
Turning his argument the other way is retarded, because logic doesn't always work both ways, dumbass.
HUUURR DURRR BIJECTION
>>27919516
French law requires tracability of firearms, you have to get a certificate for which you have to be approved.
Terrorists would never have gone through that process, nor would they have even tried.
>>27919522
>you can't support your indefensible position
This is fucking hilarious.
I don't have any position.
I personally think the guns were purchased illegally, but I'm not sure and I can't find any confirmation.
That's why I made this thread: to find information.
You said they were bought illegally, so please state your source.
If your source is "that's what I think", then please say so and move on.
>>27919029
OP, since you started this thread in order to attempt to acquire info to argue in favor of the impending European gun confiscation, and since you have demonstrated a complete inability to understand how to use the fucking catalog, I have decided to spoonfeed you another little gem of a link.
>>27914148
>>27919516
>SOURCE SOURCE SOURCE?
A semi-auto AK is a category B weapon. Look at the requirements to buy one, look at the restrictions that go with it.
If you think a terrorist could, or even would consider going through all this bullshit rather than getting a select fire AK right away on the black market, you're plain retarded.
>>27919542
No, you started this thread to try to imply that legal guns were used and therefore further restriction is acceptable.
I and others have supplied plenty of sources. If you want serial numbers and details go ask the French ministry of justice.
>>27919538
>French law about firearms makes his logic perfectly valid.
No it doesn't.
>Terrorists would never have gone through that process
The actual terrorists, no.
But friends or relatives perhaps.
>>27919530
So you didn't read the whole article, which goes on to mention a smuggler caught in Germany with a trunk full of AKs.
>>27919554
/Thread
for all you retards, the guns used were 99% illegal as this is the norm. nobody would be as stupid to buy guns legally and use them in a shooting. first, it's very easy to buy illegal guns all across europe, second former yugo is full of guns.
german police arrested a guy i think two weeks ago coming from macedonia with AKs and TNT in his trunk. it's not confirmed that they were for the terrs but the guy was on the way to france as his navi in the car was set for a destination in france.
>>27919359
Organisation means shit. You can organise something like this by sending emails or whatever. That these guns were bought in the suburbs of marsailles is plausible.
>>27919557
Yes it does. Run along now.
>>27919516
As someone who currently has two firearms demands pending, there is no way in hell they could aquire legal firearms in france considering their profile and the profile of all persons related to them so far. They'd need contact who have never ever been under inquiry by he police and enough of them so as not to raise question when buying all the weapons involved. Which is much more complicated than buying them from illegal suppliers who evolve in the same circles as they did.
>>27919553
>you started this thread in order to attempt to acquire info to argue in favor of the impending European gun confiscation
That's funny, I started the thread with the exact opposite goal.
>>27919554
>>27919564
Friends or relatives could have bought them for them.
>>27919556
>you started this thread to try to imply that legal guns were used
How did I imply that?
By asking whether the guns were legal or illegal?
>>27919557
>The actual terrorists, no.
>But friends or relatives perhaps.
you're a dumb ass. to buy illegal guns in much easier and usually much cheaper as well.
>>27919577
>Yes it does.
No it doesn't.
Those guns could have been purchased legally by friends or relatives.
>>27919578
Those guns could have been purchased legally by friends or relatives.
>>27919596
Theoretically, yes.
Practically, this is stupid, risky and counter-productive, so, no.
>>27919557
Actually, since one of the terrorists was a recently arrived refugee, there is literally no legal way for that terrorist to have been in possession of any firearm, at all, in France.
Again, OP gets rekd ITT.
>>27919579
>Friends or relatives could have bought them for them.
Friends or relatives could've also smuggled them from Syria ot Lybia.
Which sounds more plausible with the current state of affairs.
>>27919557
Yes it does you fucking retard.
Just because you can't prove that they were illegal does not make them legal.
If you can't prove that they were acquired legally, it DOES make them illegal, because legality necessarily requires EVIDENCE, which the FRENCH GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE.
Illegality DOES NOT require EVIDENCE.
>>27919563
If the guns were caught, they obviously weren't used in the attack.
As an example: Breivik tried to buy an illegal gun, but ultimately had to buy a legal one.
>>27919591
So friends or relatives couldn't have bought them?
Again, I WANT the guns to be illegal, but there is simply no confirmation.
>>27919579
>Started this thread to find arguments against gun control...
Then read the link, faggot.
>>27919579
>Friends or relatives could have bought them for them.
How is that different from "illegally obtained"?
Just because the smuggler is your friend or relative doesn't mean it's not smuggled.
>>27919286
Your ignorance is showing.
>>27919579
Come now, you don't need to play coy. We all know why you started this thread.
>>27919596
No, they couldn't, because the profile of their friends and relatives includes checking who they are associated with. And if you read the articles properly, you'd know that they were already under scrutiny by the intelligence services.
Sorry, try again.
>>27919603
>one of the terrorists was a recently arrived refugee
Let me fix that for you: The police found a Syrian passport belonging indeed to a refugee at an attack location that may or may not have been stolen from its legitimate owner and may or may not have been carried on purpose to raise tensions with the immigrants.
>>27919579
>Friends or relatives could have bought them for them.
All terrorists were already known from the intelligence services. They had a "S" file on them, which means they are a high risk to France and must be watched at all times.
When you ask for an authorization to own a category B gun, the police makes an investigation on you and your family/social circle. If there is anyone with a S file amongst them, it would immediately raise a huge red flag.
>>27919616
Right, that smuggler was caught. But what about the dozens/hundreds of smugglers who didn't get caught.
>>27919528
>more politically correct mematic tier ad hominems
It must be fun being part of a hivemind, totally incapable of thinking for yourself.
>>27919628
>Hurr durrr false flag, m'kay.
Sure, that's how it happened.
>>27919602
>Practically, this is stupid, risky and counter-productive, so, no.
Why?
>>27919603
The refugee wasn't alone.
The majority of the attackers were born and raised in places like Belgium.
>>27919608
>Friends or relatives could've also smuggled them from Syria ot Lybia.
Sure.
But there's no confirmation.
>>27919614
>Just because you can't prove that they were illegal does not make them legal.
I never said they were legal.
I WANT them to be illegal, but I want some solid info.
>>27919621
>Then read the link, faggot.
Which one?
>>27919622
>How is that different from "illegally obtained"?
Read the OP.
>>27919625
Enlighten me.
>>27919627
>We all know why you started this thread.
I'm a European gun owner.
This EU legislation would disarm me.
>because the profile of their friends and relatives includes checking who they are associated with
Lol, you're putting waaaay too much faith in Belgian intelligence.
The attackers were left alone for way too long, and the 2011 Liège gunman got a full-auto FAL after having been convicted for illegal weapons possession.
>>27919630
>All terrorists were already known from the intelligence services
Lol, you're putting waaaay too much faith in Belgian intelligence.
The attackers were left alone for way too long, and the 2011 Liège gunman got a full-auto FAL after having been convicted for illegal weapons possession.
>>27919632
Well that's speculation.
>>27919642
it must be fun being convinced that other people are responsible for all your problems and not getting invited to parties
>>27919335
The burden of proof is on you faggot. Oh you're probably not American so you don't know how that works.
>>27919616
>So friends or relatives couldn't have bought them?
it's of course a possibility, about as possible as winning the lottery you dumb ass.
>>27919657
>I WANT them to be illegal, but I want some solid info.
FRENCH GUN LAWS is your info.
>>27919661
I'm asking for source either way, how is the burden of proof on me?
>>27919663
>it's of course a possibility
Thank you.
>about as possible as winning the lottery you dumb ass
Why?
>>27919667
A lot of the attackers were Belgian.
I'm Belgian, I know how the gun laws work.
Gun laws don't prove anything.
>>27919645
You're the one jumping to conclusions, mate. At that point, we don't know if he was the owner of the passport, even though he most likely carried it.
>>27919657
>Lol, you're putting waaaay too much faith in Belgian intelligence.
It was French intel in this case, the masterminds were French in France, and the majority of shooters were French. The one identified Belgian didn't buy all the guns legally and distribute them to the others. Even if he did it would still be illegal because they were French and didn't have the proper permits.
>>27919672
So the french joke that all belgian are stupid fucks is actualy true, isn't it?
OP here, I don't know what the fuck is going on with you people.
I WANT the guns to be illegal.
I personally think the guns WERE INDEED illegal.
All I'm asking is for some hard info, some confirmation.
If you don't have any, that's cool.
If you have any, all the better.
>>27919628
>The police found a Syrian passport belonging indeed to a refugee
that's not true. the passport belongs to a syrian soldier. they identified him because they found one of his fingers and matched it to a fingerprint from a refugee registered in greece. IS also got hold of dozens if not hundreds of blank syrian passports because in one of the towns they captured was a passport office.
>>27919614
>>27919616
Hey! Guise! Guise!! Guess what. The pipe bombs, suicide vests, and grenades were illegal. Who gives a shit about the firearms, anyway? The terrorists used improvised explosive devices and hand grenades.
Once again, gun control failed.
>>27919029
This just doesnt make sense, didnt the attacks take place in gun free zones? Then how could this happen?
>>27919680
The attack was prepared near Brussels, not from France.
>>27919672
You mean arabs living in belgium?
Stop with this shitty meme.
>>27919672
From Wikipedia:
>On 15–16 November, French tactical police units raided over 200 locations in northern and southern France and arrested 23 people and seized weapons.[119] 23 people were detained and a further 104 placed under house arrest.
So we have an example of a post-attack raid seizing illegal arms in France.
>>27919672
>Thank you.
it was sarcasm and you're still a dumb ass of magnitudes words can not describe.
>>27919683
Well we are repeating you there are absolutely not a single hard info at that point, you worthless dumb fucktard. All we have is common sense and circumstantial evidences.
Now please shut the fuck up you fat belgian cunt.
>>27919672
>A lot of the attackers were Belgian.
>I'm Belgian, I know how the gun laws work.
Une arme achetée légalemement en Belgique n'a rien a faire en France. Son passage en France est illégal.
Je ne connais pas la loi belge, mais je connais la loi Française, et ces armes n'avaient rien à faire en France.
>>27919683
The only official confirmation you'd get is if the police looked at the serial numbers on the guns, look at the registers of all EU countries and that no matches were found. But you know fully well they won't do that, because they are already trying to pin the blame on legal gun owners and want to use the event to pass a EU wide semi-auto weapons ban.
All we can use to assert a situation is our common sense, something that lefitst politicians and their voters don't have.
>>27919690
No, the French now say that the mastermind was in Paris. That's why they raided the apartment last night.
>>27919657
>Which link? Follow the thread links back. Oh yeah. You can't even use a catalog. I guess u will have to spoon feed you, AGAIN
>>27919553
>>27919710
>EU wide semi-auto weapons ban
there is no such plan you idiot.
>>27919724
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-15-6110_en.htm
Just came out today. Surprised you faggot?
>>27919712
Not exactly. They raided the appartment because the mastermind might have been there now, not when he prepared the attack. We do know, and this is confirmed by belgian security, that he was in belgium before.
>>27919724
>Implying the leftists don't want to.
Euros are afraid of seing arms in the hands of the population.
>>27919712
>>27919741
Though it is also true the people who were here were also preparing another attack.
>>27919724
=> >>27919730
REKT
>>27919691
^^^^^^^^^Winrar!!!!!! We have a fucking winner, everybody.
>>27919710
The only conspiracy going on today is the one where politicians hide the evidence of their failure in order to enslave more people, like this anon said. Yet, OP seems to think that we will fall for the false flag meme that the passport was planted.
>>27919730
>The European Commission today adopted a package of measures to make it more difficult to acquire firearms in the European Union,
better track legally held firearms, strengthen cooperation between Member States, and ensure that deactivated firearms are rendered inoperable.
>HHHHHUUUUUURRRRRRR THEY WILL GRAB MY GUNS!!!
Yeah, no. It is mostly aimed at that belgium deactivated firearms clusterfuck. It is simply what i have to deal with in france, so nothing new here.
>>27919504
You piece of shit what do you think the weapons got blown up and are unrecoverable? Serial numbers are a thing. Stampings, furniture, fabrication procedures, everybody has a signature, there are subtle differences between guns. If you know what gun It is you can find out who sells them, legally and or illegally. Sorry we can't provide you probably "classified" information on an ongoing investigation you stupid little bitch.
>>27919748
Seconded.
OP officially REKT again, ITT.
>>27919680
The attacks were organised in Belgium, and a bunch of the attackers were Belgian.
>>27919691
>You mean arabs living in belgium?
Arabs born and raised in Belgium, with Belgian passports.
So yes, Arabs living in Belgium.
>>27919699
Why are you so upset?
I honestly don't understand.
Chances are the guns were illegal.
I want them to be illegal.
I think they were illegal.
But it's still possible they were legally purchased at some point.
I'm just asking for solid info.
>>27919708
Relis l'OP.
Si ces armes ont été achetées légalement en Belgique, puis données aux terroristes, puis transportées en France, cela a de mauvauses conséquences pour les lois sur les armes, comme ces nouvelles propositions de l'UE.
>>27919710
It's still possible those guns were purchased legally at some point.
Which would negatively affect our chances of beating the proposed EU legislation.
>>27919714
Been pretty busy here.
>>27919760
Seems a bit stronger than that to me
>The Commission has today tabled proposals to amend the EU Firearms Directive, which defines the rules under which private persons can acquire and possess weapons, as well as the transfer of firearms to another EU country. The main elements of the proposed revision are:
> Stricter rules to ban certain semi-automatic firearms, which will not, under any circumstance, be allowed to be held by private persons, even if they have been permanently deactivated;
>>27919730
>>27919748
>ban certain semi-automatic firearms
>certain
yeah, totally rekt you dumb asses.
they tried this many times before, it never got thru, stop acting like retards.
>>27919770
Why on earth are you so upset?
I'm asking if anyone has any info on the guns used, because if they were purchased legally at any point, that would negatively affect our chances of beating the proposed EU legislation.
It's very common for the source of weapons used in an attack to be disclosed shortly after said attack.
>>27919773
Look, they were not at any time legally purchased in the EU. You can dance around the reality all you want, it does not make it any less real.
>>27919530
Way to move the goal posts you c u c k, what kind of source do you want? Achmeds confession .webm?
I think it's cute how people think making laws will stop people from getting something. Still. In 2015.
>>27919781
>Tighter rules on the online acquisition of firearms, to avoid the acquisition of firearms, key parts or ammunition through the Internet;
No more online order? Time to open a gunshop in the center of Paris, then!
>>27919029
>Guize please Google for me
>>27919657
Right, there's no confirmation that guns aren't smuggled into Europe on a weekly basis. Total speculation. Usually when there is evidence of something happening the speculation is out the window.
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=5b8_1441903481
http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-weapons-europe-greek-coast-guard-seizes-islamic-state-ship-smuggling-ammunition-2076983
spec·u·la·tion
ˌspekyəˈlāSH(ə)n/
noun
1.
the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.
"there has been widespread speculation that he plans to quit"
>>27919784
>There is no such plan
>There is a plan
>B..b...but it will never happen, you didn't rekt me!
Please stop.
>>27919760
>France
Enjoy the ban on all pump action shotguns (including rifled ones) and 7,62x39 and all the weapons in that caliber at the end of the year. Handguns and scary semi-auto weapons such as the AR15 and AK (even if not in 7,62x39) are next. You will see.
>>27919802
>they were not at any time legally purchased in the EU
How do you know?
>>27919803
What?
I've been asking the exact same thing ever since the OP: info on where the guns came from.
>>27919809
I did google, but I can't find anything.
And apparently there is no confirmation yet.
>>27919812
I think the guns were brought in illegally too, I just want info on whether those guns were purchased legally at any point.
>>27919796
Another link of interest. This whole 360 post and counting thread deals with the gun ban proposal introduced today.
>>27919604
It's kind of a big deal. I skipped to the end. Y'all might need to scroll up a bit.
>>27919837
>I think the guns were brought in illegally too, I just want info on whether those guns were purchased legally at any point.
Any gun has been purchased legally at some point, retard.
>>27919837
Because they weren't, that's how I know.
But if you insist, then go contact your local security services and ask them.
>>27919851
Got nothing better to do than shitpost?
>>27919860
>Because they weren't, that's how I know.
Lol ok.
>>27919867
Don't worry, the train is fine
http://www.theonion.com/video/autistic-reporter-train-thankfully-unharmed-in-cra-20098
>>27919867
>Got nothing better to do than shitpost?
>Implying I'm wrong
>>27919819
that plan was on the table since april, there were many before that. just because libruls in america are constantly trying to tighten gun laws doesn't mean it will happen. a semi auto ban is as likely as the guns used in paris were legally bought. now stop acting like you're mentally challenged.
>>27919837
You're asking for information that simply cannot be provided at this time.
You can only go off what the evidence is suggesting. And right now, the evidence suggests the weapons used in the recent Paris attacks and Charlie Hebdo were smuggled in via outside channels.
>>27919760
>>27919784
Read the pdf that comes with it you faggots
>13) in Annex I to Directive 91/477/EC part II is amended as follows:
(a) point A is amended as follows:
(i) in Category A, the following points are added:
‘6. Automatic firearms which have been converted into semi-automatic firearms;
7. Semi-automatic firearms for civilian use which resemble weapons with automatic mechanisms
Kiss goodbye to the AR15, AK, Vz58, FAL, G3 and any semi-auto version of any assault rifle.
Now it's either going to be the Mini 14 or Benelli MR1, no other choice.
>>27919872
>>27919874
Shitposts: the posts.
In this Godforsaken fucking thread:
Day/k/are OP can't use the basic features of this Tibetan pin-up shitpoasting forum to find information without somebody getting their prison cherry popped!
Goddamn! I'm a fucking newfag and I can navigate better than some of you.
>>27919557
You are deluaional, yes a family member of achmed would have in advance become a citizen and gotten his gun license and doctor sing off for mental buy his cat. B weapon which is now super regulated registered and Ultra traceable just so achmed could just fuck my shit up senpai. They'll totally go to prison and get pounded in the ass gor allah because they're not cowards at all who commit suicide at the first hint of trouble.
>>27919891
lol EU, thank god i'm swiss.
>>27919891
Time for my rifle to accidentaly fall in the Seine river on the way to the range, then.
How unfortunate.
>>27919899
Don't worry, the train was unharmed.
>>27919889
>Ergo a plan exists, jesus, bruh.
>>27919890
>You're asking for information that simply cannot be provided at this time.
Evidently.
It's very common for the source of the weapons to be disclosed shortly after an attack, so don't act like I was asking the impossible.
>>27919901
If you have a clean record, obtaining a semi-auto AK is a matter of months and some paperwork.
The fuck are you talking about.
And again: I also think the guns were illegal, I'm just asking for solid info since I couldn't find any.
>>27919029
smuggled in from eastern europe. it's a real problem for the EU.
>>27919913
>If you have a clean record
Being a friend or family member of a jihadist is a big red flag.
>>27919913
>And again: I also think the guns were illegal, I'm just asking for solid info since I couldn't find any.
>This again.
The autism is fucking real.
>>27919913
Well, you actually are. It's too soon after the attack. They're still rounding up suspects and those indirectly involved. I'm sure they will release more info, but not for another few weeks at best.
>>27919924
Jihadist follow-up has been severely lacking, if you haven't heard.
>>27919926
What?
>>27919930
>Well, you actually are. It's too soon after the attack.
The source of weapons used in attacks is often disclosed on the same day as the attack.
>>27919931
Monitoring hasn't been. They would have been caught.
>>27919596
Explain why you think so? You act as if you know the process for purchading an ak47 in france. Do you know? That IS something there is concrete proof of something you could google and find and I bet if you did you wouldn't think a family member or friend bought it for them anymore.
>>27919931
>What?
Everybody understood your question, it's you who don't seem to understand the answers. Just repeating the same question because you can't understand the answers given to you is a telltale sign of autism.
>It's very common for the source of the weapons to be disclosed shortly after an attack, so don't act like I was asking the impossible.
No it's not, yes, you are asking the impossible.
>>27919910
>>27919910
the plan exists since forever, nothing really changed. exaggerating this now doesn't makes it more likely. there was always a plan to ban guns in every country on this planet, well maybe not in somalia.
>>27919941
Give me proof.
Because that's speculation.
>>27919945
>Monitoring hasn't been.
Yes, monitoring has been.
That's exactly what has been lacking.
>>27919948
>Explain why you think so?
Why do I think it's possible friends or relatives bought guns?
>Everybody understood your question, it's you who don't seem to understand the answers.
I'm asking for info, and a lot of people have been giving me speculation.
There is ZERO confirmation about where the guns actually came from.
Which is fine, since there doesn't seem to be any yet.
Just don't pretend that those guns COULDN'T POSSIBLY have been purchased legally at one point.
>No it's not
Lol yes it is.
We often know on the same day what guns were used in certain attacks, and where they came from.
>>27919953
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Li%C3%A8ge_attack
We knew on the same day it was a full-auto FAL.
>>27919657
Never mind the suicide vests, grenades, homemeade explosives all undeniably illegal as they are you focus on guns. Interesting. How are you doing officer? Slow day at the office?
>>27919949
>Everybody understood your question, it's you who don't seem to understand the answers.
I'm asking for info, and a lot of people have been giving me speculation.
There is ZERO confirmation about where the guns actually came from.
Which is fine, since there doesn't seem to be any yet.
Just don't pretend that those guns COULDN'T POSSIBLY have been purchased legally at one point.
>No it's not
Lol yes it is.
We often know on the same day what guns were used in certain attacks, and where they came from.
>>27919900
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>>27919043
Don't mind me, just admiring my former eloquence.
>>27919963
No, they would have been prevented from buying a gun of that sort because of who they associated with. Red flag in the system, no purchase.
The guns couldn't possibly have been purchased legally. They were smuggled in. Quit dancing around the truth.
>>27919952
>the plan exists since forever
>>27919724
>there is no such plan you idiot.
That is where the problem lies.
>>27919683
I know how you can find out OP become a cop in france and work your way up, suck a dick or two no problem all to become a detective and now blowjobs wont cut it you got to take a dick. Fuck it its nothing you havent done before and this time its for a cause now that you've been placed on the case you requested you will have access to "hard evidence" a.k.a. files you need. Better get started.
>>27919974
I'm asking about the guns because that's what they're going after with this new EU proposal.
All those things could have been sourced from different places.
>>27919984
>they would have been prevented from buying a gun of that sort because of who they associated with
If you say so.
>>27919982
Op from the other thread buttmad his thread got ignored, so he shits up this one.
>>27920014
>Implying I can't be mad because good threads are getting dumped because day/k/are can't into the catalog.
Already said I'm not the OP from the other one. But, oh well.
>>27919773
If they were legally purchased then they would have already been traced. They have not been able to and the serials which is the first thing they run didnt pop up in any registry ergo the guns were illegal. Simple really.
>>27920035
Protip: next time mention "Paris" if you want to start a thread about the "Paris attacks".
>>27920038
Who says they haven't been traced?
>They have not been able to
>the serials didnt pop up in any registry
If you have source for this, that would be exactly what I'm looking for.
>>27920043
Thanks for admitting this
>>27919900
is an accurate statement concerning a certain faggot OP.
>>27920043
>please spoonfed my because i'm a worthless idiot
/k/ these days...
>>27919837
They weren't purchased legally, that would have been the forst thing the media would have published bamm headline. Dont you trust the government?
>>27920059
>Thanks for admitting this
What?
>>27920060
>making a proper OP is spoonfeeding
You really are upset about your little thread, aren't you?
Also, your thread said the guns were zastavas, got any source?
Your OP also didn't say where those zastavas came from. They are sold in Belgium too for instance.
So your thread actually had very little to do with my question in the OP.
>>27919851
>>27919874
Because all those illegal newly fabricated machine guns found in ausfalia not too long ago were at some point legally purchased... right???
>>27920069
It wasn't my thread. Sorry. I don't have a source. I do, however, know how to use the catalog, and generally don't bump quality threads off of the board because of it.
>>27920084
>I do, however, know how to use the catalog
That thread had nothing to do with the question in this OP.
Zastavas are sold in Belgium as well, and I wanted to know about the source of the weapons, not the brand or model.
>>27919851
No I get you senpai. Those illegally imported norinco ak's were legally bought in china right. They just somehow ended up in america where they weren't legal or legally bought.
>>27920069
Also, the link functioned like the next word in the sentence. It should've been read something like this:
>Protip: next time mention "Paris" if you want to start a thread about the "Paris attacks".
"Thanks for admitting this
>In this Godforsaken fucking thread:
>Day/k/are OP can't use the basic features of this Tibetan pin-up shitpoasting forum to find information without somebody getting their prison cherry popped!
>Goddamn! I'm a fucking newfag and I can navigate better than some of you.
is an accurate statement concerning a certain faggot OP."
>>27920117
>makes a thread about the Paris attacks
>fails to mention the word "Paris"
Better luck next time.
Also, that thread has nothing to do with the question in this OP.
>>27919913
Its very common but it's not a sure thing. You're not French, you don't know how frog police works, what they disclose to media. You may very well be asking for the impossible. Just because a thing you know is one way makes everything work that way.
>>27920088
You asked about the identity of the weapons used as well as their origin. That thread concerned the identity of the weapons. Asking, in that thread, about the origin would have still been on topic.
Also, who the fuck doesn't ctrl/f both city and country when using a search function? Do you even Boolean logic?
>>27919941
Often, but not 100% of the time sweetie its okay go drink your juice and wait
>>27920131
Wasn't my thread.
>>27919963
We often know on the same day... You're a fucking cop!
>>27920147
>Its very common but it's not a sure thing.
>>27920157
>Often, but not 100%
Okay?
>>27919029
>attackers used military explosives (RGD grenades, C4 in suicide vests) in initial attack, C4-based suicide vest in subsequent arrest raid
How is what their firearms were or where they came from in the slightest bit relevant if they had the connections to get current-issue hand grenades and military C4?
>>27920169
The EU is about to vote on a bill that bans all semi-autos that look like assault rifles, so it would be nice to have solid info on the rifles used in this attack.
Different shit can come from different places.
>>27919979
You get what you got cry harder faggot. Maybe brush up your argument on how being armed could have helped prevent such a tragedy, would make you feel safer give you peace of mind in a refugee camp rape city were explosions and gunfights are going on.
>>27920148
That thread only stated the type of weapon, and hearsay about the source of the guns.
I wanted to know if there was any other info on the source of the weapons.
>>27919995
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>>27919995
Nobody else going to call out this faggot on this sketchiness!?!?!?
>>27920169
apparently they used acetone peroxide for their vests
>>27920008
Exactly hey snackbar if you buy grenades and explosives I throw in aks for free. Why wouldn't they use their already in place supplying all their other illegal weapoms needs?
>>27920055
You really don't come across as someone who wants to stand up for gun rights, your ear perks and you foam at the mouth for "serial # and registry" like a fucking nazi.
>>27919322
Source, please. Not even doubting you i just want to see the figures for myself
>>27920189
>buhuuuuuuu
>help me guise, g-g-guise?
>>27920167
You're demanding shit that you've never had a guarantee to fuck you.
>>27920189
>TRYING SO HARD
Have you no respect for yourself you loser?
>>27919995
it's because it's not a real danger if it's been on the table since forever. stop acting as if anything changed you autistic kid.
>>27919186
There's no goats to rape here, please leave.
>>27920227
More like is everyones gone? Have they all realized what I long suspected? Op is a faggot.
>>27920244
I never claimed there was a real danger.
>>27919724 claimed
>there is no such plan you idiot.
>>27919730
proved him wrong
That's all there is to it.
Calling everyone a retard and an autist when clearly he's the one who doesn't get it will get him nowhere on /k/.
>>27920232
>shit that you've never had a guarantee to fuck you
And now in English?
>>27920244
oh, and >>27920189 will not help you.
>>27920275
He's missing a comma and suddenly you can't read?
>>27919405
>5'11"
Manlet confirmed.
>>27920282
>He's missing a comma
There's no place to put a comma that remedies that sentence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5b0Zg0VnfI
they were semi
>>27920198
Nice. Here in 'muerrica, we haven't moved past good old fashioned ammonium nitrate and nitromethane. Which is interesting with the mass availability of pure examiner at Wal-Mart, and all.
>>27920302
They were firing in semi anyway.
>>27920294
>There's no place to put a comma that remedies that sentence.
Are you for real? Just replace guarantee with "right" and you'll see it works
>You're demanding shit that you've never had a guarantee to, fuck you.
>>27920305
Goddamn phone. Lets try again.
>>27920198
Nice. Here in 'muerrica, we haven't moved past good old fashioned ammonium nitrate and nitromethane. Which is interesting with the mass availability of pure Hexamine at Wal-Mart, and all.
>>27920322
>You're demanding shit that you've never had a guarantee to
How does this even make sense?
I asked "does anyone have any info" and suddenly I'm demanding shit like I "have a guarantee" to it?
>>27919200
big bills is for faggots.
Big Poppa Lesters Est.1957 fried pork, gun range, and reformed jewish temple drive-in is where its at.
>>27920253
I'm still here, started replying with what I could on the topic at hand. Which wasn't much. Just a fugged post on Hexamine. I still think OP is a fag and probably an anti, but it is irrelevant now.
>>27919982
^^Me
>>27920347
You've been demanding that "solid info" this whole thread, you prick.
>>27920361
>demanding
I'm asking if anyone has any info, fucking lmao.
You're mentally unstable.
Illegal weapons smuggled in via the supply route set up by the EU commission
>>27920367
>>27919516
>the point of this thread is to find solid information.
>>27919657
>I want some solid info.
>>27919773
>I'm just asking for solid info.
>>27919913
>I'm just asking for solid info
>>27920180
>it would be nice to have solid info
At some point it becomes demanding, especially if you ignore all the logical answers people give you about how gun control in France works.
There is no SOLID INFO about the guns used last Friday. There are LAWS and FACTS about guns in Europe, and they all point towards "the guns used were illegal" so stop DEMANDING your solid info, you autist.
>>27920418
>At some point it becomes demanding
No, it doesn't.
That's me repeating the fact that I'm simply asking for information.
>>27919128
underated post
>>27920422
Well, fuck you, there is none besides what we repeated you countless time, you cock-sucking inbred mongrel.
