Can the war against ISIS be won?
>>27904463
what do you mean by won?
>>27904463
Let's nuke some fuckers and upgrade those floppy disks!
>>27904463
Probably. I'd imagine even if it couldn't, it wouldn't be the IS we know in 30 years. It's be like Vietnam did.
>>27904463
>Can the war against ISIS be won?
If all ISIS is dead is it not a war won?
>>27904475
Stop islamic terrorism, peace in the middle east, peace in europe.
>>27904511
The real ISIS is Saudi Arabia. They just buy new mercs.
>>27904463
How about we just wipe out Islam
Seems to be the source of most of the violence.
>>27904525
you mean obama
>>27904525
>implying the mercs cannot be kill?
Max kek
An ideology can't be killed.
It can definitely be dulled, though.
>>27904541
fixing the symptoms my man
can't fucking wait for all that saudi oil to dry up.
>>27904463
ISIS? Yes, but America and the West gain nothing from it
The infinite chain of successor organizations? No
Let Turkey, Russia, and nations that actually have a stake in the area do the fighting. I would be all for easing export restrictions to these nations (more exports helps our economy as well), but no direct intervention.
Ideally ISIS would eventually stabilize into a solid state that can be negotiated with and knows it faces consequences for unacceptable behavior (90s Iraq), but unfortunately at this point it looks like we will simply crush them, then as soon as we pull out the region collapses into instability again.
>>27904463
yes and no
the whole western world is in full blown liberal kuck mode with political correct bullshit that wont support shock and awing those dune rats back into the stone age.
during WWII we bombed the fuck out of civilian cities, toyko, hamburg, dresden and the 2 cities we nuked. which is what we would have to do now for these terrorist cockroaches but they wont because m-muh feelings like they did during vietnam
also
gay rights bullshit passes and the WH lights up with its progressive shit
america's oldest ally gets culturally enriched and nothing
i mean WTF
>>27904600
are you being retarded on purpose
>>27904463
No. The only God is Allah and Muhammad is his prophet.
>>27904635
Peace Be Upon Him
>>27904635
Peace and blessing be upon him.
>>27904651
>>27904660
In'Challah my brothers
>>27904600
the lights look cool, I wish the rainbow didn't have to be associated with those people
>>27904651
لسلام عليكم
>>27904626
maybe
>>27904697
Welcome to the watch list!
>>27904463
Never
It's not a war on a sovereign nation, it's a war on a concept (Terrorism). Even if the Western countries bomb the fuck out of all the sand, you'd just be throwing a bucket of water on a burning building
Even though ISIS is ramped up by the media, there is no end in sight for them
Yes. But then another group, with similar ideals, will take its place.
>>27904635
Peas and dressing be upon him
>>27904713
*watch lists
>>27904463
Yes.
>>27904513
>>27904463
Nope. At least not in the middle east. Nasser style regimes all fell, now there is only Islam.
The DoD has only just begun to realize this. There's no room for secularism in the sandbox.
>>27904769
>north africa intact
you missed a spot
>>27904746
Son of a bitch I laughed way too hard at this.
>>27904600
if ISIS invades your country and hides out in the native pop you don't want to have your cities razed to get them out
>>27904463
yeah, we just need to stop pussyfooting around, get all of our shit together and start bombing the fuck out of them. we know most of their locations, it wouldn't completely be an overnight victory but it would help
>>27904513
Islam has been attacking Europe and its neighbors for 1,300 years. This is just a return to the old normal. So really
1) Admit the problem is Islam, not "radicals". There will always be "radicals" so long as that religion exists.
2) Treat them harshly when there's problems.
3) Things will work out.
Pretty much every single time someone with power brutalized their Islamic agitators, things go quiet again. Strength is respected, half-measures and limp dicked overtures for peace get exploited. Saudia Arabia's building 200 mosques in Germany as a big "fuck you" for being dumb enough to take in the migrants. This is the hubris people need to wake up to and contend with.
>>27904596
>Ideally ISIS would eventually stabilize into a solid state that can be negotiated
ideologically they can't, any negotiation, any diplomacy is anathema to their belief system.
>>27904531
this
it will take some time tho to educate people about the evils of islam
western society knows all too well the problems of xnity but for some fucked up reason is completely giving islam a free pass
when the reality comparing xnity vs islam really is angels vs devils as bad as xnity is that is difficult to believe but there it is
>>27904778
and SE Asia.
>>27904830
Does that mean killing Muslim fighting against ISIS too? I mean Shiites (Iranians/Hezbollah) don't really like them that much.
>>27904463
No.
Isis is a murder cult.
You don't wage war on a murder cult
You can't "win" against a murder cult
You just eradicate them.
>>27904800
Well white people band together take care of their problems. These Syrian rats jump ship to other counties instead of cleaning up their mess so fuckem
>>27904922
It means not getting involved at all in their own internal struggles, let alone supporting one side or the other because that has consistently blown up in our face... literally, in some cases... And then laying down the iron fist in our own countries. If they want to be here, there's no Sharia and they abide by our laws, or they're forced out. End of story.
>>27904955
I don't recall Iran or Hezbollah ever declaring war on the US.
>>27904929
so how about all that european immigration after WW2.
or during the irish potato famine.
or after the breakup of the USSR.
>>27904982
Also don't forget there's a huge influx of Ukranian refugees at the moment entering Eastern Europe.
>>27904977
I don't recall saying we should be involved with Iran or Hezbollah, either. Not really our problem.
I truly don't understand why the French or Americans or whoever don't counterattack against Muslims when they misbehave. You shoot up a cafe or a theater? Ok, we drive a petrol truck into your mosque. You march in the streets demanding shariah? We show up with weapons and mow you down in broad daylight.
>>27904463
Yes, the Islamic State is a well...state and not and insurgent group. We just need to kill enough of them to return territory back to existing states.
>>27904463
If we engage a bit harder and stop the half measures
>airstrikes on infrastructure on their cities
>no water in the desert+no electricity=lots of dying people
>larger scale airstrikes and attacks
>strength is feared, imagine if you were jihad joe and everyday you woke up and wondered when/where the missiles would hit
>absolutely destroy all sympathy/will to assist
>isis members are linked to a town, that town gets quarantined/shelled
>leave towns that house larger isis bases as empty husks
>white phosphorous and airstrikes all damn day
>scorched earth
>any materials we find get torched/taken
>innocents get sent to camps for a time, then the saudis/iranians/turks
>incentivise diming out terrorists
>money/resources/lighter load on your village from NATO
Yeah it can be won, just turn the United States Military into a lynch mob and let them do what Russia did to Poland.
>Pro-tip
>Impregnate Syria and Iraq with US rape babies
>>27905101
because of rule of law and all that cool "civilization" stuff.
>>27905145
>Yes, the Islamic State is a well...state and not and insurgent group.
Are you serious
>>27904463
No.
>>27905234
They've been taking static positions and providing government services.
This is a conventional conflict now.
You'd never know, because Arabs are such fucking muppets that they can't even win a conventional war against jihadists, let alone a counter-insurgency.
>>27905234
They really are.
But his point is stupid.
DEUS VULT
Crusades 2.0 when?
>>27905534
never.
>>27905234
Like he says here >>27905496 they are functioning as a government at this point, in the areas they occupy.
Not a particularly stable or effective one, but one nonetheless.
When you get down to it "government" is simply whoever controls a defined geographical area. ISIS fills this role. They are no less of a "state" than the old sultanates of the arab world.
>>27905101
Because and eye for an eye makes the world Muslim.
>>27904800
how can isis hide in our native population? im sure once we started banging down the doors of mosques the less extreme will begin to turn in the radicals. you can count on it.
>>27905617
great, march them all into gas chambers
>>27904566
2030 is the year they're projected to run out of oil. But that report was made in 2012 when they were pumping a lot less, and they may have lied about their reserves.
But they will almost certainly run out of money by 2020 at the rate they're going.
Yes, but not through force of arms.
>>27905713
Hearts and minds, anon
>Two to the heart, one to the mind
>>27905234
It's technically true. The US considers it as such. Hence, Obama wanted to legalize all of our bombing in Iraq by straight up declaring war on it back in May and went to Congress to do it.
Unless East and West put aside their past and present bullshit, band up together, and agree to terminate most, if not all living beings in the Middle East, no.
>>27905534
Not with Catholic heretics
>>27905925
>Catholic
>Heretic
Choose one and only one protestant scum.
>>27904463
Yes.
>100-150-200k troops in Syria to stay for 20-40 years to serve not only as a garrison but also in a disciplined police and even SWAT role protecting neighborhoods schools markets etc. etc.
Can/should the war against ISIS be paid for is what you should be asking
>>27905925
Oh I'm not a Catholic, but I would totally be down for some Crusades minus all the Cathlolicy BS
>>27905923
Honestly this is the only way.
>>27905948
>Catholicky BS
what, like screaming DEUS VULT at the top of your lungs
>>27905978
No like praying to dead people and asking your priest for forgiveness which he can decide to give you or not
>>27904896
>this
>it will take some time tho to educate people about the evils of judaism
>western society knows all too well the problems of xnity but for some fucked up reason is completely giving judaism a free pass
>when the reality comparing xnity vs judaism really is angels vs devils as bad as xnity is that is difficult to believe but there it is
>>27905948
so a military crusade, pure and simple.
WHY ARE WE NOT DOING A TOTAL WAR YET?
>>27905999
Basically, yes
Mainly because our supreme leader is the one supporting the terrorists, and Congress won't approve another war in the middle east since they aren't a "direct threat" to us right now.
>>27904909
Nah need them cheap little Asian whores to man our massage parlors
>>27905686
bullshit, they are good for another 50 years at minimum. If they were anywhere near a decade or so left they wouldn't have been trying so hard to crash prices and run the US out of the market.
>>27904463
No, unless we plan to orchestrate a genocide and throw our new age hippies on the kill list too. Really all you can do is keep an eye on them and give them a good punch in the throat every so often. They want the end of the world like in their faggy little book, can't really defeat ideology like that by any means other than complete extermination.
>>27904463
of course not. the ideology will live on, even if the people are killed. there will always radicalists. Al Qaeda hasnt even been defeated for fucks sake.
History is full of dead religions and lost cultures. We just lack the will power.
>>27906091
Are you talking about Christianity or Islam ;^)
>>27904463
Keep killing them. It may take 50 years, it may take a hundred, but eventually if you kill enough of them, they stop fighting.
>>27906175
Why not both Mohammed?
>>27905998
Difference being Jews didn't murder dozens of people when Hitler went after them
>>27906490
So youre saying the jews did right by just standing there and getting gassed? Re-read what you typed.
If someone was going after you to kill you, would you kill them before they killed you?
If i didnt get your point, im sorry. Im just saying i would stand my ground rather than run away.
>>27906584
>>So youre saying the jews did right by just standing there and getting gassed? Re-read what you typed.
No. Where did you get that from?
The guy was quoting
>it will take some time tho to educate people about the evils of islam
and then making it sound like Hitler. But the Jews didn't do anything and didn't deserve genocide.
>can the war on ISIS be won?
The only way to change the tides in Europe is rooting them out in their ghettos and mass deportation of muslims.
There is no such thing as a Muslim that doesn't support terroristic shenanigans in some shape or form. Everyone in their tight knit communities know which ones are the extremist yet they all look the other way or silently cheer them on.
It's the only way that Islamic terrorism is so wide spread today because of Muslim complacency and indifference.
>>27904596
But do you think an attack on the US could be inevitable? And would that plunge the US into the war? They've already made threats towards the US around the time they made their way to the headlines by taking a pic of whiskey hotel claiming that we weren't safe.
Yes but it would take a lot of bacon and that's not something America is willing to sacrifice
>>27906811
Yea, after the Iraq war I guess.
>>27906490
They sure as hell did after the war.
>>27904635
More like his puppet amirite
>people advocating bombing isis held cities because world war 2
There wasn't major bombings of cities of former allies just because there were germans in them. The people in the population centers controlled by isis aren't "isis citizens." When bombs kill those people isis uses those deaths to recruit from the population.
>>27904548
This. See Japan after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>27906925
?
France lost over 200k civilians to bombing
The people in ISIS controlled cities are muslims, and so deserving of bombing.
>>27906952
You're fuckin dull
There's no such thing as giants, and there was
>>27906952
>See Japan after Hiroshima and Nagasaki
.
A nation that had been totally beaten, whose attempts to surrender went unheeded, that could no more pose a threat, then bombed again with yet more powerful bombs than had ever been seen before, for no other reason than to impress, that is your rationale?
It's no wonder we are losing the propaganda war against these ignorant goat fuckers.
and by the way, my source is the autobiography of Truman.
>>27904600
cunts like you are why we have problems in the US
>>27907064
the problems are created by marxists & progressives
>>27907057
>whose attempts to surrender went unheeded
I'm going to need source on this one.
Because here's what I've got:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrender_of_Japan
>The next day, Japanese newspapers reported that the Declaration, the text of which had been broadcast and dropped by leaflet into Japan, had been rejected.
>>27907057
Yeah you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. See this guy >>27907092 for your education.
>>27904463
Only if the world turns on it, at this point.
>>27907057
Furthermore, since you've got me so interested, I did a little google searching and found this fascinating article:
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/12947
Aw why is it so quiet in this thread now?
Where's this guy? >>27907057
>>27907057
>A nation that had been totally beaten, whose attempts to surrender went unheeded
Do people still unironically use one of the poster child examples of revisionist history being used to completely distort the truth? For fuck's sake, there was a cocsucking rebellion in the ranks to keep a surrender from taking place.
>>27904463
not as long as the US government keeps trying to use ISIS to overthrow Assad
>>27904463
Yes, but not without (a) killing on the scale of genocide that will only spawn further problems, or (b) highly unconventional tactics.
Running into a desert adventure is exactly what ISIS want the west to do. Up against the wall, they bargain on the local population supporting them over the USA.
One has to wonder if it could be used to bridge relations between the USA and Iran though.
boot onnaGROUND!!!
>>27907138
>>27907092
You know its possible to admit defeat without unconditional surrendering?
>>27907259
Oh my fucking god....
YEAH MAYBE YOU SHOULD TELL HIROHITO THAT ONE SOME 70 YEARS AGO!!!!
>>27907270
the US insisting on unconditional surrender, mother fucker
It's not like germany or japan ever wanted to fight against the allies.
>>27907277
>It's not like germany or japan ever wanted to fight against the allies.
>or japan ever wanted to fight against the allies.
>or japan ever wanted to fight
>>27907291
The US only embargo'd japan after barbarossa.
It was about creating a casus belli to join the war against Europe.
>>27907291
>what was the oil embargo
another product of US public "schooling"
>>27907291
To be fair Germany had no interest in fighting the US, but FDR, time and time again, acted belligerently toward the Third Reich.
>>27907301
US mobilization started in 38
>>27907296
Yeah I'm sure their invasion into China didn't matter at all.
Also that's your excuse for them? Oh no more oil. Now we can't rape Nanking! Damn Americans forcing us into this war!
>>27907313
Correct
Noone in the US cared about the jap invasion of china.
No doubt FDR had a long term agenda of enabling communist victory in china, so the japanese weakening the nationalists was necessary.
>>27907298
Another non-American defending poor little Japan and their "peaceful unification of Asia".
Are you really going to say that Japan dindu nuffin?
Lets start there. Lets just answer that one. Was it okay for Japan to go around fucking shit up? Because if so then I guess the embargo was a really horrible thing. What monsters we are.
>ctrl+f CIA
What wrong has ISIS really done? How much damage have they truly done, mucking about in their little sandbox? What, raped and murdered some goat herders? Beheaded half a dozen guys at once with detcord? (That one was pretty kekworthy, actually.)
They're harmless at worst and useful at best. A hundred-or-so dead frogs are piss in the ocean. ISIS will go when the time comes; no sooner and no later. Most likely, anyway.
Worry about your own nation: your demographics; your culture. Don't let ISIS be the tree that hides the forest.
>>27907021
except for all those christians
>>27907340
Did we say japs dindu nuttin?
It is a SIMPLE FACT that japan did not want war with the USA, and was forced into it when their supply of oil was embargo'd.
The US could have used the embargo(or threat of) to negotiate with japan.
But they weren't interested in negotiating, they wanted a casus belli to enter WW2.
>>27907327
>Noone in the US cared about the jap invasion of china.
>Japan's 1937 attack on China was condemned by the U.S. and several members of the League of Nations including Britain, France, Australia and the Netherlands. Japanese atrocities during the conflict, such as the notorious Nanking Massacre that December, served to further complicate relations with the rest of the world.
>>27907343
They published their killings on social media, which triggered all the sheltered liberals, forcing the western governments to engage in a charade of bombing them
And now finally, with russia in syria, they have to actually fight against ISIS now.
>>27907348
>It is a SIMPLE FACT that japan did not want war with the USA, and was forced into it when their supply of oil was embargo'd.
NO it is NOT a simple fact. They weren't forced into anything. Their survival was not at stake.
UNLIKE CHINA!
Are you fucking kidding me?
>>27907363
And how was the survival of the US threatened by Japan, that they needed to embargo them? Whats your point?
>>27907350
>thinks diplomatic plays at the League of Nations represented American public opinion
>doesn't know isolationism for the majority opinion in the US and FDR had to lie and scam the country into joining
>>27904909
> not all of asia and africa
>>27906018
It's nice to dream about but it will never happen, you'd need someone to start it before it could grow and no one would step up.
>>27904463
No. You can't fight ideas/ideology with violence. Especially considering how fucking daffy/fanatical their ideology is. About the only thing that is going to kill ISIS is economic stability in their countries with the ability for social mobility. When those people have that, suddenly the offer "blow yourself up for some poontang" will seem a hell of a lot less appealing.
Oh but rest assured, we Western nations will ensure everything in our power to do the opposite of this. We'll bomb the shit out of them, train and arm their enemies, and probably even do some covert ops on the ground. We'll make sure their lands never see peace, much less economic stability.
Then we'll wonder why terrorism only increases every year and why "they hate our freedoms." Then We'll pass more "protective" legislature that shit all over our rights as citizens, and then we'll launch even more violence against them.
It will literally never stop given the state of affairs. Best case scenario is an eventual global race war that radically changes the geopolitical landscape, the likes of which we can't even imagine.
>>27907378
fuck it lets just nuke everything that isn't europe and north america.
>>27907371
... I can't facepalm hard enough to this.
They embargoed them after they invaded China with no fucking reason and killed a great deal of people. That rape of Nanking thing was kind of a big deal. You should read about it sometime.
So what you're saying is the U.S. had no right to embargo Japan for doing something pretty awful?
What justifies an embargo then? When in your mind should an embargo be used? I think an embargo to stop someone with a massive war boner from fucking their neighbors was a pretty good idea. Without that oil they should have been encouraged to stop raping and murdering innocent civilians.
Instead they did the unthinkable and attacked the U.S. Showing the world just how much of a fuck they gave towards peace.
And you defend them. Saying that they were forced into it. Like they couldn't have just stopped their war and went back to not trying to take over the world. Beautiful.
>>27907392
>No. You can't fight ideas/ideology with violence.
And the cathars are... where, exactly?
>>27907404
So any war is justified as long as you maneuver the other guy to hit first?
Your logic is obviously bullshit because the US didn't do shit to aid the chinese, then afterwards actively aided the communists.
>>27907410
>cathars
Had to google that.
>After several decades of harassment and re-proselytising, and perhaps even more importantly, the systematic destruction of their religious texts, the sect was exhausted and could find no more adepts.
>the systematic destruction of their religious texts, the sect was exhausted and could find no more adepts.
So anon, how exactly would you destroy every Quran, and every trace of the jihadist message. Please keep in mind that the internet does exist in this scenario.
>>27907411
>because the US didn't do shit to aid the chinese
What were the Flying Tigers then?
>So any war is justified as long as you maneuver the other guy to hit first?
So Japan was totally justified in attacking China?
Justified in attacking America?
Justified in attacking ANYONE?
They absolutely had no choice, certainly not stop attacking people, but to attack the United States?
Now where did I put my "wherever I go I must rape" pic? Can anyone post that for me?
>>27904830
The more you treat all Islamic believers as the problem and the more polar you make society the more radicalized you will make people, and the more terrorists there will be. This is what ISIS wants. For people to treat Islamic believers poorly and grow their cause.
There are radicals for every idea set. You can't wage war on ideas, nor can you get rid of them. There will always be resistors and people who will slip through the cracks no matter how tight your fist is.
>>27907436
>What were the Flying Tigers then?
totally unofficial volunteers who had to quit the US armed forces just to go to china
>So Japan was totally justified in attacking China?
>two wrongs make a right
it's not like Japan's asshattery justifies American asshattery
>>27907436
I don't understand your logic
Japan invades places therefore its ok to invade them?
This isn't a matter of "right or wrong".
>>27904463
Yes, get Obama to finally stop saying "A-Assad is evil, Russia pls stop helping him or I bomb you" and boom, the great rappening will be upon us.
>>27907447
>totally unofficial
>President Franklin Roosevelt in April 1941 authorized the creation of a clandestine "Special Air Unit" consisting of three combat groups equipped with American aircraft and staffed by aviators and technicians to be recruited from the U.S. Army, Navy and Marine Corps for service in China.
Sounds official to me.
>it's not like Japan's asshattery justifies American asshattery
I... wow. Where do I even begin?
Okay....Okay... so you've got this country that is going around killing people, taking over territory like there's no tomorrow... and you're saying that embargoing them is asshattery.
Two wrongs don't make a right? You're equating MASS MURDER to halting trade of a NON-ESSENTIAL resource. That is no where on the same level....
How do you people exist? I can't even begin right now to understand how you can think that a political maneuver intending to stop a violent country from killing millions of people is on par with killing millions of people.
I notice that you still haven't answered my question from before. Let me try again.
Did Japan have the option to not go to war with anyone?
>>27907454
>Japan invades places therefore its ok to invade them?
I don't understand your logic because you're leaving out the part where Japan attacked the United States. I'd say if country A attacks country B then country B has the right to attack/invade country A.
Apparently though people are saying that country A was forced to attack country B because country B wouldn't give country A something that would help them attack countries X, Y, and Z. And for reasons we still don't know, because no one has said why yet, Country A has no choice but to attack people. Not attacking isn't an option. Why?
Yeah that makes sense.
>>27907481
>so you've got this country that is going around killing people, taking over territory like there's no tomorrow
You talking about the USA? Or britain?
>NON-ESSENTIAL resource
Except it IS essential resources, retard.
Would you defend china if they nuked the USA because of all the hundreds of thousands of people the US has killed in the middle east in the last 10 years?
>>27907496
Except the US military and white house knew the attack was coming, INTENDED for the attack to come, to bring the US into the war.
During these negotiations, Japan offered to withdraw from most of China and Indochina when peace was made with the Nationalist government, adopt an independent interpretation of the Tripartite Pact, and not to discriminate in trade provided all other countries reciprocated. Washington rejected these proposals.
>>27907507
You are literally retarded. Stop.
>>27907517
>the US dindu nuttin
>We was just helping our buddies, the chinese!
Lets ignore they were run out of their own fucking country afterwards!
Or that the US literally created North Korea when they invited the soviets to invade.
>>27907507
>Except it IS essential resources, retard.
No it's not, retard. The Japanese people could go on living without it. We're not talking food or water. They had more than enough resources to exist. This oil was being used for war.
And if we really need to argue that this is essential, then if it's really so important then why couldn't Japan stop attacking China? Was Japanese possession of Asia also essential?
>Would you defend china if they nuked the USA because of all the hundreds of thousands of people the US has killed in the middle east in the last 10 years?
Did we attack China in this hypothetical?
>Except the US military and white house knew the attack was coming, INTENDED for the attack to come, to bring the US into the war.
Oh great, a conspiracy theory. Yeah why don't you post some proof and then maybe I'll give a damn. Let me guess, 9/11 was an inside job too.
>>27907527
>Lets ignore they were run out of their own fucking country afterwards!
And that was Americas fault too?
>Or that the US literally created North Korea when they invited the soviets to invade.
Proof?
>>27907533
Sure m8, its not like oil is used in literally every fucking thing we do in the modern world, right?
>then if it's really so important then why couldn't Japan stop attacking China?
If the US would lift it's embargo, they WOULD have
They offered that!
>Oh great, a conspiracy theory.
Is the holocaust, a conspiracy theory? Because noone can produce any serious proof of it?
>>27907544
>And that was Americas fault too?
"When Marshall was sent to China with secret State Department orders, the Communists at that time were bottled up in two areas and were fighting a losing battle, but that because of those orders the situation was radically changed in favor of the Communists. Under those orders, as we know, Marshall embargoed all arms and ammunition to our allies in China. He forced the opening of the Nationalist-held Kalgan Mountain pass into Manchuria, to the end that the Chinese Communists gained access to the mountains of captured Japanese equipment. No need to tell the country about how Marshall tried to force Chiang Kai-shek to form a partnership government with the Communists."
>Proof?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference
>>27907545
>If the US would lift it's embargo, they WOULD have
>They offered that!
>Beginning in 1938, the U.S. adopted a succession of increasingly restrictive trade restrictions with Japan. This included terminating its 1911 commercial treaty with Japan in 1939, further tightened by the Export Control Act of 1940. These efforts failed to deter Japan from continuing its war in China, or from signing the Tripartite Pact in 1940 with Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, officially forming the Axis Powers.
>Is the holocaust, a conspiracy theory? Because noone can produce any serious proof of it?
Okay back to /pol/ with you.
>>27907545
>Weeaboo Jap apolgist AND naziboo
Jesus fucking Christ.
>>27907553
>"When Marshall was sent to China with secret State Department orders, the Communists at that time were bottled up in two areas and were fighting a losing battle, but that because of those orders the situation was radically changed in favor of the Communists. Under those orders, as we know, Marshall embargoed all arms and ammunition to our allies in China. He forced the opening of the Nationalist-held Kalgan Mountain pass into Manchuria, to the end that the Chinese Communists gained access to the mountains of captured Japanese equipment. No need to tell the country about how Marshall tried to force Chiang Kai-shek to form a partnership government with the Communists."
You forgot to include
>Specifically McCarthy alleged
Well if a senator said it then it must be true. Sorry I'm going to need more proof then that.
Here let me add a little more from your source:
>Marshall arrived in China on December 20, 1945. His goal was to unify the Nationalists and Communists with the hope that a strong, non-Communist China, would act as a bulwark against the encroachment of the Soviet Union. Immediately, Marshall drew both sides into negotiations which would last for nearly two years. Significant agreements failed to appear, as both sides used the time to further prepare themselves for the ensuing conflict. Finally, in February 1947, exasperated with the failure of the negotiations, Marshall left China.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yalta_Conference
And how does this prove that the US literally created North Korea?
By the way we're still trying to figure out that whole "Japan, pre-WW2" stuff. Just saying.
>>27907554
>>27907570
>Everyone who doesn't fundamentally support the actions of western governments, even when they are treasonous/openly hostile to their own citizenry, is a weeaboo or a naziboo
no
All our modern problems stem from the good guys losing WW2.
Propaganda turned the whole war into a bold crusade against imperialism, nationalism, racialism, fascism, or any othe right wing thought.
Anyways, in regards to pearl harbor, the Navy/White House were well aware it was undefendable & within strike range of Japan.
Lets not forget what happened in the phillipines as well.
>>27907586
>All our modern problems stem from the good guys losing WW2.
And there it is people.
Whether this guy >>27907586 is the same as this guy >>27907447 or not... this is the whole point.
>>27904463
"In this climate in which everything is understood through the late 20th-century victim culture, the Kurds make little sense. For here we have a people who do not advertise their weakness in the hope that Western activists will adopt and publicly pity them, or see weepy speeches at the UN as the answer to their every problem. No, these are people who want arms, who want to create a new nation, who are optimistic and strong (and divided, yes; that can be dealt with later). They don’t want to be empowered by outsiders; they want self-determination, the precise opposite, which requires autonomy and resilience, not therapy. What’s more, their women do not need media feminists or a First Lady to fight their corner in global gatherings; they fight for themselves, alongside men. And all of this currently makes the Kurds alien to our political culture that has disavowed both the idea of the free-willed individual and the notion of a people creating a popular, democratic nation through the very act of fighting for it; of liberating themselves rather than being phonily liberated by outsiders."
>AFTER PARIS: VICTORY TO THE KURDS
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/after-paris-victory-to-the-kurds/17620#.VkrzZ3YrKHv
>>27907586
>All our modern problems stem from the good guys losing WW2.
You just keep digging yourself deeper, senpai
>Anyways, in regards to pearl harbor, the Navy/White House were well aware it was undefendable & within strike range of Japan.
What the Japs did at Pearl Harbor was like Captain Bligh being marooned, sailing half way around the world in a dinghy, and then laucnhing a fucking carrier strike at the end of it, it was a staggeringly bold move that caught everyone off guard. On top of that the Americans assumed Pearl Harbor was immune to torpedo attack because of its shallow waters, and on top of that It wasn't un-defendable, it was very fucking well defended, the Yanks just got caught with their pants down. What you're saying is abysmally retarded.
>>27907593
You finally won. I'm proud, Anon. Have some Mateba.
>>27907603
>>27907599
I am still waiting for him to explain how not selling steel/oil is a justification to attack.
>>27907585
>And how does this prove that the US literally created North Korea?
What do you mean prove?
This is public information
The US invites USSR to invade manchuria, then splits korea in half with them.
You prove it yourself, Marshall arrives in china and starts demanding truces. This allows the communists time to regroup, to access supplies in manchuria. They spread comintern propaganda about Chaing Kah-shek.
When the US congress approves a loan of gold to china, the US treasury depart ensures it never arrives, because they are all communists.
All aid to the nationalists is sabotaged or dumped into the ocean too.
>>27907599
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O._Richardson
Roosevelt had to remove the fucking commanding officer for not wanting the pacific fleet at pearl harbor.
Do you think it's a coincidence that the aircraft carriers weren't in port on the day of the attack?
After that, the phillipines is lost to an invasion, the bomber fleet is caught on the ground hours later at Clark Air Base
>>27907614
I don't understand what you mean "justification"
The japs were deliberately left by Roosevelt, with the sole option of attacking America.
Since they had no idea if the US embargo would end, even if they left China.
Has anyone considered the thought of a non-government resistance force against Muslims?
I mean, if America or somebody attacks a mosque then ISIS can say "Hey fellow peaceful sand people, these infidels are attacking us. It's time to stand up.." etc., but what if a group of individuals from every country existed outside of a single countries government? A sort of genocide force with the only goal being to destroy all muslim culture.
They wouldn't be able to blame an individual country, which if the resistance force was large enough would mean they would have to go back to their sand dunes and try and defend their home turf right?
>>27907624
>if I keep repeating JAPAN HAD TO ATTACK AMERICA I wont have to explain why
>>27904777
the kurds are pulling it off just fine
you're retarded
>>27907632
>Industrial country needs raw materials it can't produce itself
>Only places to find such resources are european/american colonies
>US tells them it'll be war if they attack US allies colonies
Gotta laugh at the legitimacy of the US/dutch/brits/france/etc maintaining vast colonial empires, but Japan invading them is an atrocity huh?
Totally justifies firebombing & nuking civilians until they give up? Us brave, courageous Americans, mass murdering millions of innocent people, while supporting communists who murdered tens of millions.
>>27907642
Kurds are not secular
>>27907642
>the kurds are pulling it off just fine
like their fourskins and labia
>>27907644
>millions
Blow me
>>27907677
faggot
>>27907644
You can try to extend your empire sure, but dont cry if you lose faggot
>tfw it's incredibly likely that on my death bed the great majority of the US/world will be Muslim
>tfw my sons and my sons sons will be mudshits
H-how can I stop it? Can I do anything? I have one of the most red blooded all American jobs that doesn't get shit on every day with this PC shit. Even if I raise them right, I'm still afraid. We are living in a different version of the 60's, Hell, my best friend is gay and he is an eagle scout, black belt, and has been on two tours to Afghanistan.
I'm so confused, and when I'm confused I get called a bigot, a racist, or a hater. I'm scared guys.
>>27907716
Don't worry m8
They call it Progress
The question is whether it should be fought at all.
>>27907630
Been thinking about something like this myself.
>>27907393
Let's nuke Europe too and leave the us and slav nations
>>27907849
Like Russia? They have a ton of Muslims too. You aren't getting away
>>27904463
>The Financial Way
Stop financing entities with less than scrupulous ties to known enemies of the state.
>The Military Intervention Way
Mission Accomplished 2.0
>The Diplomatic Way
Let them stabilize into a state. Starve them into oblivion with sanctions, embargoes, and predatory lending from the IMF.
>The Queen's Way
...
>>27904463
It can but we need more FAMAS in the fight.
>>27905666
Dem trips checked
>>27907925
>predatory lending from the IMF
When will they ever learn not to take the loans?
>>27904830
Shit logic.
Westerners have also been fucking with the middle east just as long. What's your point? People act like shit. Most people just want to do their thing and live their life.
>>27904463
>Can the war against ISIS be won?
Sure, wars can always be won. The problem with America and the modern civilized world is that they never follow it through to the end and are far too preoccupied with "winning the hearts and minds" of the people left behind.
If you are facing an ideological war against an enemy who will never stop attacking you until they are all dead, then you need to make them all dead. ALL of them. Pussyfooting around gets the world to where we are now.
>>27908038
So by your logic, wars, invasions, and genocides have never happened?
I guess white flight out of major US cities also didn't happen?
>>27908045
No, the problem is murdering 300,000 people in a "shock & awe" bombing campaign just turns the whole fucking country into your enemy
see: Iraq
see: Afghanistan
see: Every other country who has ever hosted US troops
>>27908061
Where did I say they didn't happen? Of course they happen. It's a two way street, though. I get a kick out of people pretending Christians have never done fucked up shit, when obviously they have. And no, that doesn't "excuse" the current flavor of the month extremists of Daesh of their behavior; they need to be put down with extreme prejudice.
>>27908073
Your a dumbfuck muslim defender
Hopefully one of them beheads you
This thread is a pretty good example as to why stopping the conflict is so difficult. Noone can agree on who to fight.
>>27905496
>This is a conventional conflict now
If we launched ground forces it would remain conventional for all of a couple days. Then, just like the Taliban, the rats would scurry to their holes and start planting IED's and launching suicide attacks while they wait for us to get bored and withdraw. Then they come out and we're back where we started.
>>27908078
You're*
And you're a dumbfuck who is unable to grasp the concept of a bigger picture that goes beyond your immediate irrational and emotional reactions.
>>27908089
Sure m8, when muslims invade europe, kill hundreds of thousands, collect a tax from non-muslims for not being muslim, or outright enslave millions of people
that's a "two way street"
Just like when blacks/muslims target whites for robbery or assault or murder or rape
thats a "two way street"
yes?
>>27908096
Oh, I'm talking to /pol/, time to evacuate thread. Keep slurping up that reactionary cum, though.
>>27908066
>No, the problem is murdering 300,000 people in a "shock & awe" bombing campaign just turns the whole fucking country into your enemy
You seem to be misunderstanding the meaning of "ALL of them".
>>27908110
Here's hoping for more attacks like bataclan
>>27908088
Just because the US military refuses to engage in proper anti-insurgency operations, doesn't mean its impossible to do so.
>>27908148
If it was really a feasible option to go full-retard with it, I'm sure Dubya would have, but this is the 21st century. The whole world can see what you're doing in a few seconds. We're not in the age of just genociding the fuck out of anyone who pisses you off anymore.
>>27904463
the french will ruin it
>>27904463
Depends on what your opinion is on the ship of theseus.
>>27904525
This.
We need to wage a covert war against the wahhabism and money coming out of SA alongside the overt war against all those wahabi brainwashed IS cunts
>>27904977
Iran has been in a state of war with the US (the Great Satan) ever since the mullahs took over in 1979.
>>27905686
All the Saudis in the know have been going around buying up property in the UK and Europe for the past decade, the plan is simple, they're going to bolt for foreign countries as soon as the oil runs out, the Saudi super rich know that once the bread and games that keep the commoners distracted dries up then the hard liners will take over and those who supported the Saudi royal family will be killed.
>>27904463
Not if Amerikek and Israel keep backing them.
>>27904769
>israel is still there
>>27907428
Aside from slavery, Nazism, and communism, violence never solved anything!
>>27904463
'won'?
no.
Thats not exactly how this type of isometric warfare works. thats why when one group of shitheads goes away as evil #1, another appears.
>>27906490
sure they didnt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918–19
Man don't fuck with these Muslims... T-they have.. POWERS
Who else do you know that can bring a skyscraper down with just a passenger aircraft?
>>27908356
Yep. Saudi is the tumor that's non-operable and we just keep using chemo to try and contain the spread. Like you said, it's not so much that the royals are inherently anti-west, just that they have to engage in fuckery to keep the psychos happy.
>>27908066
Muh 300,000!
The US spent most of its time building a stable state in Iraq and Afghanistan and had extremely restrictive ROE. It worked well until the US withdrew from Iraq early and allowed Daesh to gain strength.
>>27908373
>he thinks communism was stopped by violence
>he thinks something was solved by fighting nazism
good to know how free europe is now, all that love and tolerance sure is awesome
>>27908402
Communism was sure as shit stopped from expanding in Korea during the 1850s, same with Nazism in Europe in the 1940s.
>>27908412
1950s not 1850s
>>27908398
>thinks murdering 300,000 civilians is building a stable state
>>27908420
300,000 civilians weren't murdered by NATO or ISAF forces, what are you smoking?
>>27908398
>>27908420
>he thinks the U.S. "murdered" 300,000 civilians
>>27908412
>stopped expanding =/= solved
there is still a communist country
>same with nazism
reread what I said faggot, nothing but european dignity was solved nazism was destroyed
>>27908435
If the us didn't give a shit about civilian casualties it wouldn't have bothered sending US Marines door to door in Kandahar when it could have vaporized the entire city without suffering a single NATO casualty. The vast majority of civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan were caused by Al-Qaeda, etc.
>>27908435
Ah yeah it's not murder when you're wearing a uniform.
I appologise.
Let's keep this secret for many years to come, especially from the niggers.
>>27908436
>there is still a communist country
Out of how many?
>reread what I said faggot, nothing but european dignity was solved nazism was destroyed
Oh look, it's one of those retards who actually thinks the Nazis were da gud guys or ever had any chance at ahieving their insane goals, (whatever the fuck they were.)
>>27908442
Yeah, I know that, but Jihadi John here:>>27908444 is confused after watching daesh videos all morning from his flat in Brussels.
>>27908453
Yeah don't fuck with me!
I'll blow you up.
http://www.theonion.com/multiblogpost/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-regio-11534
>>27908445
>insane goal
>europe with no noneuropeans
omg so insane
#notoleranceforintolerance #openboarders #notallmuslims #pleaserapemywifeimnotracist
>>27908470
When we have
>Europeans in America, Australia, South Africa, Argentina
>Wonders why Europe is mixed
If you want to fight us so bad stop talking shit on your forums and do it.
No one is scared of you.
Any war can be won, it simply requires your will to be stronger than your adversary's. This includes the will to prepare adequately, of course.
>>27908470
Kek. Yeah, invading Denmark, Poland, France, Russia, Romania, Czechoslovakia, France, Russia, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Austria etc. was all just to save the white race from a few jews lol.
>>27907445
I keep seeing this posted in a lot of places.
>they're just trying to get you to hate muslims so hey have more of a reason to hate you!
This is such a cop out and empty answer and frankly makes me want to designate specific areas where they are allowed. Which startles me.
>>27908444
Jesus christ the edge on this guy. Man, I would like to know where you sourced the us bombing civilians... Cause everything I can find is minimal and resulted in trials as war crimes..
>>27908746
You're talking to someone dumb enough to fall for hadji propaganda. Literally so gullible as to be tricked by ragheads and ignore all contrary evidence.
Sure if murika and it gulf budies + turkey stop giving it guns and money
>>27907716
Have like 12 kids.
>>27907057
>this is what weeaboos believe
Fuck off, japan deserved it.
>>27907259
Then maybe they should have done that instead.
>>27907301
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting even if Germany wanted no part of the U.S. At the time they would have later.
>>27907360
Yeah sure last time Russia invaded the Middle East everything was solved right? no really putin totally isn't going to fuck this up.
>>27907392
>you cannot fight ideologies with violence
No you can its just not morally correct to do so. Historically speaking genocide often does accomplish its goal of removing a certain people from the area it's just a fucking horrifying way of doing so. Violence can fight an ideology it's just a terrible way to do so and not how we should have approached the situation.
>>27909186
genocide is exactly what we should be undertaking to solve the Muslim problem
>>27909117
>At the time they would have later.
muh
hitler
trying ta conquer da wurld
This is totally justification for every other unrelated evil act before, during and after WW2!!
>>27907861
Nah Putin hates Muslims but allows them in the country so long as they conform to Russian law and culture.
Either you enter the melting pot or get taken out behind the alley and are shot like all the other large clumps of cheese.
>>27907392
>You cannot fight ideas/ideology with violence
The Branch Davidians say "Hello" -- if there were any Branch Davidians.
>>27907057
8/10
>>27904463
Not with guns or bombs alone.
>>27909254
There weren't many of them and they were in one building. Not really applicable to thousands spread across the globe hiding amongst civilians.
>>27904463
Not with a pussfied effeminate male population. Our rules of engagement need to end.
Civilian sympathizers need to be on the target list.
>>27909223
You are refusing to acknowledge the fact that war between the U.S. and Germany was going to happen one way or the other.
>>27909316
>US military gets to do whatever the fuck it wants for a decade+ in iraq/afghanistan
>At the end of that things are WORSE in every way & the enemy is stronger than at the start
>Blames politicians for their own incompetence
kk
>>27909333
incorrect
>>27909213
I mean it would solve part of the problem but it has its own drawbacks. the most notable aside from ethical concerns would be the creation of Israel.
>>27909186
That's basically the point I'm getting at. The Islam problem will exist until a global genocide occurs.
Considering the, "my country is yours, please rape me to death" policies neo-liberals love, this scenario is currently unfathomable. Also, considering the globalized spread of these people and their ideologies (especially considering that the internet is a thing), literally the entire world would have to be on board, and that simply will never happen.
Most likely scenario that I can predict is something reactionary like Nazi Germany occurring again (not necessarily in Germany though). They will try to systematically genocide all muslims and in doing so bring about the next global war, not to mentioned insanely increased terrorism. And even still, how to you snuff out the roaches in every single country? How do you erase a message/ideology that exists all over the internet?
That or, y'know, somehow the Middle-East rises to obtain peace and economic stability with the ability for social mobility. Then the offer "blow yourself up for some poontang" will seem a hell of a lot less appealing.
>>27909341
You have presented nothing to argue otherwise, Do you think Hitler was going to be satisfied only controlling Europe and Africa? Next would have been Russia and then the U.S. assuming he didn't butt fuck Asia somewhere in there. In other words figure out what the fuck you are talking about before throwing your bumbling excuse of an opinion onto the internet.
>>27909365
what?
If britain would have accepted white peace, hitler would have given up all occupied countries
>>27904463
>Can the war against ISIS be won?
Destroying ISIS and reverting to pre-2012 dictatorships? Yes, it will happen, mostly.
>Can islamic extremism be ended?
No, not with victory over ISIS.
Unless you genocide all muslims, which is not an option.
>Can the effect of islamic extremism on western world be negated?
Largely, yes, through National Security on Steroids kind of society. This is what is going to happen.
Because we actually don't care if islamic extremism continues or ends outside the western world.
>>27909365
>Hitler could ever, ever, EVER, have had the ability to project his power to the US.
Yeah, I guess I forgot about all those German airstrips with a hundred miles of the US coast...oh wait.
>>27904635
That's not how you spell /k/ube brother, your better than this
>>27909377
Yeah Im guessing you did, Given that if Europe and Russia had fallen the U.S. would have been virtually alone in a fight against the Axis and is now tripled resources. If you think the U.S. is untouchable you are laughably naive.
>>27909416
>America will be invaded by this small country of 80 million germans, who are already stretched thin by occupying 300+ million other people
Are you delusional? Have you never looked at a map in your life? Or read anything about WW2?
