How come Chinese military history is such a complete joke?
Is it a cultural thing that makes them so bad at war?
A long history of internal conflict meant that when China had to muster forces to actually defend themselves against modernized militaries (which the Chinese weren't) they usually only had shitloads of poorly equipped inexperienced troops.
why this thread is such a complete joke? did you mean to post on /his/?
That's what happens when you build your military to protect whoever the ruler is and not the country, something they do to this day.
>>27891191
Yeah that's totally the reason for these losses, not the centuries of technology gap.
>>27891127
Fuck off to >>>/his/
Not even kidding, you'll probably git learned.
>>27891203
Yeah, when all you have to do is protect your emperor from angry peasants with pitchforks, you don't need to do anything else. It's directly related, how can you not see that?
>>27891207
Tell me how they're somehow going to magically get better when the Chinese have been awful at war throughout their history? Or is CGI going to change things?
>>27891222
Not dignifying your retarded post with a serious reply, senpai. But I will acknowledge your trips.
>>27891234
>never allow citizens to even own swords
>therefore all you ever need is a pike and plate to win every uprising
>there's literally zero technological pressure
>this has absolutely no bearing on the technological gap between china and everyone else
not even him but cmon fim smgdh
>>27891127
The old Emperors didn't trust the army, on account of how often dynasties would be overthrown in coups. The Chinese maintained a hold on places on the periphery of their empire through a system of tributes, and didn't call upon a large army unless one was needed, in which case they'd call the banners. It wasn't until the late 1800s that the Chinese had a standing professional army, and it was so mired by the late Qing Dynasty's bureaucracy that its effectiveness was severely limited.
>>27891230
What the fuck are you on about?
If you want an answer to a historical question, they are the ones who know about it.
/his/ is a legitimately good board all things considered, and are more of a son for /k/ then those DIRTY HIPPY /out/ fags.
>>27891244
Do you seriously think rebellions are only ever, or even usually, brought by angry peasants with no weapons?
>>27891203
The tech gap wasn't nearly as severe as you would imagine, they had plenty of musketry and artillery when compared to Europeans, they just didn't have the professional corps of soldiers required to train up conscripts and employ those weapons effectively, thanks to centuries of relative isolation and only needing to put down internal rebellions from time to time.
>>27891260
Tech isn't just guns and vehicles. You need tech to have proper administration of procurement, conscription, training, and supplies, etc. Sometimes these techs are material, like computers or paper, sometimes these techs are practice-related, like organizational reforms of Lazare Carnot.
> only needing to put down internal rebellions from time to time.
Yeah just like the US only needed pikes and untrained conscripts to put down the CSA. Seriously, why don't people do even 2 minutes of wikipedia reading before making up their minds based on complete fantasy?
>>27891286
Both the Union and the CSA would have had serious trouble with European field armies of the time, even towards the end of the war. They learned alot of lessons from the Civil War, but they were learning the wrong lessons because they were both fighting a force that didn't know what they were doing.
>>27891254
Hmm, so /his/ isn't just some liberal horseshit board. I'll check out /it out now.
>>27891127
Basically because they had no modern enemies to fight until the 19th century, so they lagged behind the west.
By that point the corruption of the government and their egotistical "hurr durr china the best" approach to technological development and government reforms had basically made fielding an effective modern army all but impossible.
>>27891127
>Malnourished 5'' something limp-wrist gooks versus 6'' and above western professional soldiers
Gee i wonder.
>>27891352
They still defeated the US and the whole fucking Western UN nations in the Korean War, though.
>>27891362
Let's say hypothetically that you were to throw an unlimited wave of chimpanzees against the enmassed US army, at some point eventually the chimps would win.
They didn't defeat anything, they payed an enormous price to force a stalemate.
They can't innovate, it is not within their nature
>>27891127
>How come Chinese military history is such a complete joke?
>late 1800s + early 1900s = chinese history
oh you... plz nigguh. that period is the weakest china has been for the last hslf milennia. the end of a dynasty and the chaos before CHICOMs getting their shit together in 1980s.
learn to history.
>>27891405
>Let's say hypothetically that you were to throw an unlimited wave of chimpanzees against the enmassed US army, at some point eventually the chimps would win.
>They didn't defeat anything, they payed an enormous price to force a stalemate.
>human wave myth.
It was never that simple, western forces have been slaughtering millions of natives for centuries.
The Chinks had vets who had fought 20 years straight in civil wars and japanese invasions who knew how to fight in squads and nightfighting and intensive combat and stood toe to toe against USMC infantry before being thrown back by superior American air support and armor.
If those Chicoms had the same guns, tanks, and air support as the Americans, they would have fucking slaughtered them out of sheer brutality similar to the kind of combat they saw in Coastal China. Decimating the American garrison forces out of Japan and probably the more relatively lightly armed marines as well.
The Qing waited too long to modernize and the people within that Qing that wanted to modernize were persecuted by their leaders. In the past China had some of the world's largest and longest running empires, thus they had a strong military in the past.
Communist China's military wasn't good for so many reasons I don't want to list them all.
The 19th and most of the 20th century (before the economic revival) are low point in China's history.
>>27891525
>If those Chicoms had the same guns, tanks, and air support as the Americans
>this meme that poor little China had nothing but rifles and bayonets
Meanwhile, in reality, their air force was consistently kept from the front by UN forces actually using their airframes to their advantage and coordinating their movements, Chinese tanks were BTFO by same generation US tanks in the M4 and absolutely nothing was stopping the production and design of modern equipment by the Chinese other than sheer bureaucracy.
>>27891362
lol. The Chinese "defeated" us so bad that we accomplished all of our stated objectives when we entered that police action. Oh and they "defeated" us by losing ~400000 dead, and taking so many severe casualties that had to completely reconstitute the PLA North army, which at the beginning of the war had 1.5 million soldiers. They "defeated" us so badly that when Mao said they would not stop until they had thrown all of our soldiers into the sea, he actually meant he would stop at the 38th parallel.
Since you don't seem to know much about the korean war let me give you a summary:
North invades south, aided by supplies and training from China
South fails miserably
UN forces establish the Pusan perimeter halting the norks
Un forces push the norks back to the 38th, but are ordered to stop by Truman
MacArthur decides to ignore Truman invades the north
Norks keep getting btfo
MacArthur marches all the way to China's border
Mao decides to send troops to take back all of korea
Chinese push as far south as seoul
UN counter attacks and pushes them to the 38th, where the UN stops.
China keeps trying to push across the 38th, while the UN stops them
For the first time in his tenure as the leader of the communist party, Mao has to deal with his generals publicly calling him out on how badly the chinese forces are doing. (of the ~400000 dead, almost 250000 died due to starvation and the elements because of us supply interventions.)
Mao backs down
Mao redefines what China's winning meant, and then goes on to claim victory.
>>27891653
>Meanwhile, in reality, their air force was consistently kept from the front by UN forces actually using their airframes to their advantage and coordinating their movements, Chinese tanks were BTFO by same generation US tanks in the M4 and absolutely nothing was stopping the production and design of modern equipment by the Chinese other than sheer bureaucracy.
...so all you are doing is proving him right?
If the tanks and air force were out of commission then the Chinese pretty much fought and pushed back/stalemated American troops and armor with small arms and mortars.
No one is saying China as a whole ain't shitty with their logistics. But if anything that proves that the Chink infantryman at the time was a serious threat outmatching what a comparable American veteran would have gotten.
Although to be fair, the PVA consisted of some of their best men who "volunteered".
>>27891653
>Korea (x)
>Corea (o)
what
>>27891525
Partly true, partly not. Initially the Chinese had vets who had fought for 20 years, using the same material and tactics they used against the UN in korea. Remember they had medium and heavy tanks whereas the UN initially thought only light tanks would be suitable for combat in korea. Also, China had never had air cover during their war is the nationals.
By the end of the War, China had suffered 1.5 million casualties that removed these individuals from ever serving in wars again. 400k dead, almost 1 million amputees, tens of thousands of blinded, etc. This was so bad that their initial 1.5 million strong northern force, which was comprised entirely of seasoned veterans, was by the end of the war, almost entirely comprised of green conscripts who knew nothing of fighting, forcing Mao to reconstitute the northern force by effectively merging its personnel with the Southern force..
What this means is that if you suddenly dropped them a bunch of fighter planes, they will not know how to use them, as their experience does not involve air power. See the ludicrous K/D ratio for UN pilots against Chinese flying the latest migs provided by Russia. It takes a lot of time to learn how to use new equipment, and if you are likely to get sent to the front shortly you will not perform well, and die horribly. Just think, if I sat you down in a F-22, would you know how to fly it? Would you know how to effectively fight in a mixed air land sea battle?
>>27891727
>...so all you are doing is proving him right?
So now you're just falling back on "well maybe if they were as competent as the west they would have done better instead of having to rely on outnumbering the enemy and throwing bodies at their guns!" and then I assume you concede that the Chinks actually did have the forces in other areas but then just used them like shit
>>27891727
Air power helped, but without tanks, the Chinese would not have been able to push as quickly or as effectively south. This is because UN military doctrine was to mass firepower against the opposing infantry. tanks allowed the Chinese to break through this line, because the UN did not expect to encounter tanks, and so did not have tanks of their own, until later in the war.
Hence, removing tanks and air, removes China's greatest asset, and the UN's greatest asset. It is not clear who would be better; however, just remove the UN tanks and planes and navies, but let the Chinese use whatever they wanted, and then of course they were better. Also, that comparison is absolutely idiotic.
>>27891750
When Korea was under Japanese colonial rule, Japan switched the official name (of Korea) from "Corea" to "Korea" during the Olympics (1933? I'm not sure) just so Japan comes out on the opening ceremony before the Koreans.
Cheap move from Japan desu senpai.
Many nationalistic Koreans right now are petitioning to change their official name back to "Corea".
>>27891727
No idiot the stalemate occured after the chinese had all their equipment destroyed by roughly the same quality of UN equipment and they got pushed back all the way to the prepared defenses on the old korean border. At which point it became basically trench warefare. In the air Soviet pilots were forced to withdrawl and couldnt stop US bombing and the chicoms lost air support. By the time of the ceasefire they were out of almost evrything except manpower but as neither side wanted a land war in china, a ceasefire was called and the 38th parallel was set as the border.
Look at all these Chicoms who don't even have shoes or winter clothing, they are so poorly equipped but they best USA. Just ignore the fact that they are being captured becuase they beat America.
>>27891862
BTFO
>>27891127
China can't into real war. They're far more interested in keeping their overlords in power than anything else
>>27891296
Robert E. Lee didn't know what he was doing.
>>27891862
Alot of the air-power was soviet controlled, and not permitted to fly past a certain point (38th parallel?).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Suiyang
>30 000 civilians eaten
>>27891811
What, there's postage stamps from Korea spelt "Korea" from 1885.The real change happened gradually over about 40 years from the the near end of the 19th century due to Korea being used more often by influential westerners.
Japan didn't even call Korea, Korea. They called it Chosen. The Opening Ceremony idea doesn't hold water either since Korea never participated in the games prior to 1910 and after that any Korean athletes would've entered as part of the Japanese team. It just happens that their occupation coincided with the cementing of the K spelling internationally.
As much shit as the Japs did, changing the name of Korea wasn't one of them.
>>27899561
This. Why the fuck would Koreans use Roman letters for their own country? And other countries just use their own spelling anyway (Coree or Corea for Romance language countries, Korea for Germanic language).
>>27891127
>untrained farmers and peasants taking on professional armies
were you expecting something else to happen
>>27898237
Mostly they targeted bombers, they did quite well early on since at start of the war most of the UN planes in Korea were either p-51s or early non swept wing jets and the migs just dove past them to get to the bombers and climbed again before they could react. One the f-86 appeared they started taking substantial losses and were pulled back by Stalin. Chinese piloted migs didn't do as well and took heavy losses since china had no experienced pilots.Operation Moolah also scared the hell out of the communist leaders and after that they wouldn't let them leave communist controlled air space.
I recall that a lot of Chinese tactics during the Korean War was also borrowed from the German trained NRA units during the Civil War. The Chinese used German stormtrooper tactics of WWI to break through gaps in American lines, which they did in tandem with concentrated pushes along other sectors to draw US fire/troops away from the gaps.
The thing that kept the line intact, was the American's mastery of combined arms, something the Americans learned how to very well when they fought against Japan and Germany in WWII. The ability for the Americans to coordinate artillery, fire from battleships, mortars, and airstrikes so close to their own lines, and to redirect it at a moment's notice was what kept the Chinese at bay.
Eventually, this combined with the Chinese losses in equipment was what really blunted the Chinese offensives along the 38th, which resulted in the stalemate. A bit of an interesting fact told to me by a Korean War veteran, was that many of the Chinese soldiers they captured were former NRA soldiers from the Civil War, and didn't like the idea of attacking Americans, whom they saw as their ally in their war against the Japanese. I also recall him telling me that many of them asked to be repatriated to Taiwan.
>>27891792
Wow looks like you can't even read.
Their tanks and aircraft were obsolete.
Meaning they only had infantry experience to rely upon which they did utilize during the devastating couterattacks.
YOU CANNOT ZERG RUSH LIKE A BUNCH OF RETARDS AND KILL THOUSANDS OF YOUR ENEMIES. You have to lay down effective fire and storm positions in a coordnated fashion while also maintaining good accuracy and have assisting support arms like mortars and anti tank teams helping the offenses.
Even AMERICAN troops noted how the simultaneous ambushes at night were something they feared, but which the Chinese practiced for 20 fucking years straight.
Your underage ass is great at trolling, I will admit. Because I sure hope you aren't stupid enough to use Hollywood logic to insinuate that American infantrymen really killed Chinks about a 100-1 rather then the reality of Americans just calling in air support to bomb positions or artillery support to punish enemy concenrrations.
Americans are just as susepctible to bullets as the rest. If the chinks had equivalent artillery and air support, we Americans would be fucked period. Good thing we're so rich. THAT's the message. Don't be a dumbass.
>>27899908
>They used post WW2 built T-34/85s
>This is somehow obsolete when compared to M4A3E8s of the same time period
>MiG-15s
>Obsolete against F-86s
I can't even begin to fathom how you came to this conclusion.
>>27899874
One of the biggest problems with the Chinese forces is that they had absolutely terrible command and control. This lead to attacks that failed at breaking through at one position being unable to tell follow on forces that the area is too heavily protected and to bypass it, so instead they simply moved into the same area that one attacking force had just failed at taking and would literally just walk right up to the defensive positions unprepared. This is what gave rise to the human wave idea. In actuality it was just flat out incompetence.
>>27891127
They've been useless since well before the 17th century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumu_Crisis
Why was France involved in like half of these?
>>27891682
>redefines what winning means and then claims chinese victory
Youve just summarized the entire chicom worldview
>>27899908
They had better tanks and aircraft than the Americans. They had more gun tubes and they had the same antitank rockets. They had the element of suprise and they were fighting aganst a commander whose greatest military accomplishment was losing the Phillipines. When they attacked, the American lines were in complete disarray from McArthur ordering them to break ranks and advance faster. So yes the Americans were made to advance back the way they came, destroying division after division of "elite" chinese infantry. Once they reorginised the chicoms were forced back to the 38th and UN Forces stopped offensive ground operations after the cluster fuck that was heartbreak ridge and the surrounding battle. Attack and counter-attack again and again for every single ridge and mountaintop.Korea is mostly mountainous so tanks are of questionable value anyways. The stalemate was ww1 trench warefre in the mountains where eveyone and heir mother had machineguns mortors and antitank rockets. The Chinese failed completely in their stated objective of reuniting Korea so much so than Maos generals where calling him out on it. China refused out of hand when asked by Kim to help him try to take the south again during vietnam while America was occupied.
TL;Dr night raids are scary regardless of who you are fighting Chicoms had more artillery and better planes but still lost in their own backyard because they are incompetent.
>>27899908
>if the chinese could field decent equipment maybe they wouldn't be so shit
Yes anon, if the chinese could have simply vaporized all of the US with a blast from the lasor canon on their moon base they would have won the korean war and might even be a global power, if only they had lasor canons or moon bases
>>27899995
Makes sense. A lot of people would overlook things as simple as communication, to make or break a battle. I'm pretty sure that during the Korean War, Americans had superior communications equipment, something they needed to have during WWII.
>>27900161
Of course. Part of the problem as well was that the chinese commanders believed that the UN forces were weak and would easily crumble upon contact. So attacking units were not only expected to push back UN forces or annihilate them, but eventuality plans of attacks being repulsed were simply not drawn up. This combined with the rather rigid command structure at the time that discouraged individual decision making among lower echelons meant that even if a commander saw they were coming into an area that was heavily defended, they could not abandon the attack for fear of imprisonment and reeducation if they turned back.
>>27891862
>the Chinese got pushed back to the Chinese border
What?
>>27900120
>the Chinese had better equipment.
What the fuck am I reading?
They had fewer planes, even fewer pilots, fewer tanks, and no navy.
This was half a year after the Chinese civil war ended. Their entire nation was in ruins, and 60 million people of their 400 million had died.
The US on the other hand, still had a ton of WW 2 material, had superior airplanes late 1950 onwards, superior artillery the entire time, and far more tanks.
Or was the "meat grinder" from our small arms fire?
The Chinese army had to fucking walk from Beijing to North Korea. THEY HAD SO FEW LOGISTICAL VEHICLES THEY WALKED 300 MILES.
The Chinese had shit leadership, shitty logistics, shitty allies, and shit weapons. All they had going for them were tons of trained soldiers.
>>27900220
>and they got pushed back all the way to the prepared defenses on the old korean border
You are aware that there was a North and South Korea before the start of the Korean War, right?
>>27900260
I wasn't sure if he meant the 1940 Korean border or 1945 Korean border. But now I understand.
>>27891127
One of the issues with China is that it's a boxed kingdom. They're surrounded by mountains on three sides and the forth is against a sea shared with their historic ally Korea. See Imjin war.
The only hostile nation they had to deal with was the Japanese who cycled between isolationism and civil war.
And the Mongols who are, as always, the exception. cue mongoltage
On the other hand, look at Europe. They had a dozen nations at any given time and couldn't go a hundred years without a major war. In fact, much of medieval feudalism came from the need to gather enough money to raise armies.
So all European powers ended up really, really, good at fighting. Or got wiped out by the regional powers that did.
>>27900015
What was French Indo-China, the Boxer Rebellion and fucking Korea.
>>27891296
Wha? I weren't the Europeans so taken aback by Americas new found slaughter capacity that they pulled all of their assets out of Mexico for fear angering the US?
>>27900619
There's a reason everyone ignored his post. American steel steam ships were world class at the time.
>>27900256
>under equiped Chinese soldier meme
The soviets provided them with millions of tons of war matieral. AA systems, Small arms, artilliery, t34-85s, mig 15s even the pilots to fly them.
They got chewed to shit becuase they had no idea what to do with any of it and the US was a veteren of combined arms warfare.
Stop propagating lies. Their equipment was just as good and they didn't have to ship it over the pacific ocean. Or was this a monkey model too?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_the_Korean_War
>>27891166
The Chinese had modernized military units during the Boxer rebellion, it just political indecision prevented the Chinese from offering a united front. On of China's western style northern armies spent almost the entire duration of the Boxer rebellion suppressing Boxers. Political infighting kept tens of thousands of modern arms holed up in an arsenal that was captured by the 8 nations. Finally, modern breach-loading krupp guns were kept out of the hands of militias and muslims during the siege of the legations by politics.
>>27891296
>Both the Union and the CSA would have had serious trouble with European field armies of the time, even towards the end of the war.
The US army had fought against a meaningful foe during the Mexican–American War. Not on the same scale as the Crimean War, however US officers did read up on what happened during it.
>but they were learning the wrong lessons because they were both fighting a force that didn't know what they were doing.
What was the wrong lessons, and who at the time knew better?
>>27900619
The Union and Confederate troops used bayonets less than Europeans. So instead of charging the enemy to route them, they'd just keep shooting them dead.
>>27891653
>nothing was stopping the production and design ofdern equipment except sheer bureaucracy
Or, yah know, the fact their entire country had been raped, pillaged, looted, razed and destroyed by a collection of warlords, nationalists, communists and Japs. Bitch please, they were 6 years out of WW2 where they had to kick start their whole economy and industry again, of course they're going to have shit-tier stuff or average Soviet hand-me-downs.
>>27902018
Yeah because that sure stopped all of Europe from rebuilding, rite?
>>27899874
Don't forget the nade spamming
>>27902018
>average soviet hand me downs
>mig 15
>mig 15s with Soviet pilots
>zsu radar guided aa guns with russian operators
>Sks
>ppsh
In 1950 when China entered the war this was all top tier military equipment.
US army still used garands and tommy guns. Their main tank was the m4 sherman and main bomber was the b-29 with the p-51 being its primary escort.
The only major advantage the UN forces had were tactics, logistics, and naval forces. The majority of the conflict took place in mountainus terrain where infantry have a major advantage iver vehicles anyways. It basically came down to whoever had the most artillery and both sides were pretty even in that regard.
I like how this thread has turned into a Korean war and history thread, gonna post one of my favorite Korean war sources: http://www.koreanwaronline.com/arms/arms.htm
>>27902347
The North and Chinese may have been better equipped initially, but after the US came that soon changed with more and more material coming from Stateside and from other theaters.
>Both Communist and UN forces fought the Korean War largely with surplus World War II weapons.
>A sometimes unappreciated fact is that, at the start of the Korean War, the US actually had no new conventional weapons due to a complete cessation of procurement for ground warfare following WWII.
>The Communist bloc, fighting through its secondary powers, were armed with newer weapons than the American and ROKs in 1950, but they were also obsolescent.
>>27902401
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd8LDdbfIFY
And this Documentary on the battle of chosen with interviews from US vets., I highly recommended watching it if you haven't seen it yet.
>>27902411
ITS CHOSIN DAGNABBIT
>>27891525
Human wave myth? Bro, do you even Battle of Chipyong-Ni?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chipyong-ni
25,000 Chinese soldiers vs. 4,500 UN.
>>27902942
>I’m not afraid of nuclear war. There are 2.7 billion people in the world; it doesn’t matter if some are killed. China has a population of 600 million; even if half of them are killed, there are still 300 million people left. I’m not afraid of anyone.
To Mao these would have been acceptable casualty rates if they had won. People were just natural resources to be spent towards a goal for him.
>>27903602
lol china
>>27902190
It sure stopped them from being an effective fighting force, with fewer even being battle tested though.
>>27902647
Yeah sorry, my bad, didn't bother to check and let the phone finish it for me.
>>27891127
>Wang Debang
>>27903602
>10%
>AT&T
It's always funny to see all the buttmad chinese diasporas chimp out when their precious homeland gets shat on.
>>27891525
>If those Chicoms had the same guns, tanks, and air support as the Americans
Except they didn't. This isn't how war works, faggot. You can't just arbitrarily level the playing field; You have to look at all factors as a whole.
Think about it:
If Nazi Germany only used M4s and T-34s, would they have done any better? No, because they lacked the manufacturing capability of the US and USSR.
If Iraqi Army had M1s, would they have fared better against US forces? No, because sandniggers can't into tank warfare.
Looking at things in a vacuum like this is pointless.
>>27891127
>wang debang
Are you fucking kidding me?
>>27891127
>Is it a cultural thing that makes them so bad at war?
yes centralized control does that to brains
and why does china need superior technology or tactics ?
they have 30 million soldiers in their army
>>27901513
With honorable exception to Joshua Chamberlain
>>27891296
>serious trouble with European field armies of the time
You mean like the French who were being defeated in Mexico?
>>27891127
It's not a joke.
They just didn't modernize cause they won the ancient world way to hard.
An emperor literally stopped china from building ships because he thought he had seen all there was to see. Dude might have been right too. He had a giraffe.
>>27891127
The Chinese invented cast iron forging and crossbows
Your argument is invalid
>>27891127
Confucius, really, legalism was the best thing ever happened to China but was reverted due to muh elders.
Fuck the elderly, holding on to the old means never advancing to the new also Confucianism meant one's loyalty ultimately was to one's own family, damn the nation. Which is why China will and always be corrupt and people are more than happy to betray one another for a few pence.
>>27904666
spotted the white devil
>>27891127
They couldn't read Sun Tzu because it was written in ching chong nip nong Chinese so they never learned the art of war.
>>27891127
Welp, /k/, it's official. The 50 cent chink shitpoasters are back.
>>27891171
>>27891296
>>27891362
>>27891515
>>27891525
>>27891727
>>27899908
>>27902018
>Muh monkey model
>Ebul muerricunts has more better toyz Hurr durr
China BTFO and all the technology in the world hasn't saved them yet.
>Zergface is literally Chinese.
>Zerg
>face
Not a coincidence, imo.
>>27891127
The 17th century wasn't that long ago in relevance to Chinese history. They have been mighty at times, and pitiful at others. It ebbs and flows, and the last few hundred years have been more ebb, but it's a brand new type of world.
>>27908186
>chink shitposters
FTFY underage /pol/fag
We're trying to 'discuss' actual strategy and logistics between the chicoms and the americans.
Not just call all the Chinese subhuman chinks who only rushed with rifles into killzones like a Hollywood mook. At least in the beginning of the conflict when like anons here have posted, they maintained plenty of modern equipment and had plenty of veterans on hand.
For your subhuman 50 cent spamming, just do it on /pol/ or /int/. Because thats where it belongs and where your message will be more appreciated.
>>27908415
>inb4 hurr he must be a chink because I disagree with him.
Calling it now
>>27904666
they're a very angry people
>>27904666
Can't argue with Satanic trips
>>27891296
>ironclad ships didn't render every other warship on the planet obsolete
You learn something every day I guess....
>>27908186
Some people actually think paid Chinese government shills come to /k/ to shitpost.
>>27891127
>hurrrrr
>a country/areas military hasn't been on top since its inception
>durrr must be shit
Name one country/area that has been military dominant forever, I'll wait.
>>27907534
>not mentioning inventing firearms
>on /k/
I am dissapoint.
>>27891362
How does it make you feel, knowing that the Japs captured that exact same flag at Corregidor? They got to hold it for 4 years before the Polar Bear Curse kicked in.
China has held the cursed colors for 65 years. That's a long time to build up so much bad karma. Now is not a good time to be Chinese.
>>27891525
>If those Chicoms
>If
That's the middle word in life. If I had a million dollars, I'd be a millionaire. But I don't, so I'm not. Just like the PLAN didn't have what it takes to go toe-to-toe with the US. So they died.
All of the wishful thinking and revisionist history in the world won't change that fact.
>>27891127
According to OP, China only existed from the early 1860s to the late 1940s.
>>27891727
>comparable American veteran would have gotten.
There were very few US vets in Korea at the outset. They'd all been demobilized at the end of WW2. For the most part, the initial US forces to arrive were garrison troops. Green, poorly trained, and badly led.
>>27912332
Its the only period of time where they were not at least a Great Power, so of course he had to choose that.
>>27891203
>>27891296
>0/10
Nice try kid
>>27891525
>>27891362
Not even close. China was garbage, all they had were numbers and Soviet backing. If America fought China directly, they would've embarrass Mao and/or lynch that fat piece of shit.
>>27912456
>Implying China was "China" before those dates
>>27900291
>One of the issues with China is that it's a boxed kingdom.
Is it part of a set?
>>27912772
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