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Which branch are you enlisting/enlisted/considering?
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Ask questions, answer questions, bitch about Air Force recruiters. Just keep it contained to this general.
ITS here leaving this month.
How often are you in a sub and for how long is the duration of the trip? When you port, how long do you port for?
I have virtually no will to do anything due to undiagnosed depression/anhedonia.
Would 2 years or so in the army contribute to me unfucking myself? Has anyone experienced a similar change in themselves during/after the army?
sorry If I've made some kind of mistake
>>27881627
It should probably help, did in my case. Boosted my self-worth a ton.
As long as you're not actually mentally nutters, and don't show depression, they probably won't care/notice at recruiting.
I have a hernia that will be patched up soon. Should I wait to meet with a recruiter until after this or before? I'm just eager to get more information and the process started, but I don't want to be looked at skeptically either.
If on a sub, do you get a chance to take advantage of the Tuition Assistance program while in a sub?
So what disqualifies you during the background check for clearances? This is the only thing that might stop me from getting an Intel job.
The reason for that is because I have extensive foreign and criminal contacts. The foreign contacts are from who I hung out with in college, and the criminal contacts are from when I was a journalist either going undercover or directly interviewing criminals as a journalist. If somebody does some digging they are going to find that while I have a clean record and never profited from criminal activity that there are conversations where, for instance, I'm posing as a money launderer setting up a meeting with the head of an escort agency. Can I explain this sort of thing to them so that they don't think I'm fucking John Gotti who inexplicably decided to become a soldier?
>>27881627
If you're talking US Army, most contracts are 3-6 years active.
>>27882466
Biggest disqualifiers for clearances are bad debt and lying.
People have got clearances with crazy backgrounds , they just had to be honest about it. Remember, they aren't trying to see if you're a good person, they're trying to see if you keep secrets that someone could blackmail you with. If you run a business that exclusively rapes puppies, that doesn't matter as long as it isn't a secret that can be leveraged against you.
>>27882632
Huh. I don't know if that makes me feel better or not. On the one hand I can get what I want, on the other hand I'm still going to be working with possible sociopaths.
>>27882691
That a common misconception about the military.
>Sociopaths generally don't thrive in rigid social structures with everything they do directed to them from a hierarchy they have no control over.
>The successful people around you in the military will be good people who follow orders without question and have no moral qualms about whether the country they fight for is doing the right thing.
Plus all the pedos are NSA neckbeards.
>>27881895
You have to wait something like 6 months after hernia surgery to be eligible to enlist so wait until after that period.
>>27882815
Ah. Well that's a bit more liveable.
>>27882070
Doubt it. Personnel on ships are generally very busy during a sea deployment anyway.
>>27882632
will shit posting get you dq'd?
>>27882588
you forgot the mandatory 8 years total (your active duty and your reserve time have to equal 8 years)
>>27881627
I got put out due to hernia surgery not healing up as well as it should have. Well I had the option to be a permanent profile (gimp) or get out, I went ahead and got out cause not deploying in my MOS was not an option. Been out for almost 8 years now and I still can't run or do what I used to do and would require my soldiers to do while in.
>>27883374
Yeah, but the remainder after active is IRR, so who gives a shit?
>>27883507
you will when you get that call. saw many people get that call, they were not happy.
>>27883548
This. Until recently (I believe it was 2005 when they started emphasizing that you are transferred to the IRR after active duty) a lot of people didn't even know they were in the IRR until they got called.
>>27883548
Less than 20,000 soldiers got successfully called in off IRR in the last fifteen years.
There's almost no chance you get pulled off IRR unless WW3 breaks out and your job is in crazy demand.
After Hollande said he's going to wage a "pitiless war" I want to sign up to the French Foreign Legion. Anyone here know anything about that, whether it would be a good choice etc...
>>27883744
I seen platoons full of soldiers all from IRR. Sure this was during OIF, but still
>>27883762
You want to join the FFL to go to war over the attacks in Paris?
Can't really say I blame you, but no, that's a terrible idea
>>27884086
I have no friends and no serious job opportunities in life. I hate Islam to the very core of my being and just want to go to war against them. I feel the French Foreign Legion would get me there fastest.
I just wanted to know how good the FFL are generally as a military unit to operate for.
>>27884115
The FFL doesn't want you if that's your reasoning
>>27884137
Well obviously I'm not going to tell them that, and I have seriously been looking into joining the army for a long time now. Just with everything how it is I think the FFL would be the best one for me to join. I just want to know what they're like to operate under.
>>27884160
It's like operating under a military command that speaks french. So you better know french for starters.
>>27884323
Copied from their website
FAQ – Frequently Asked Questions
1. Q: Do I need to speak French before joining the French Foreign Legion?
A: No. Most candidates do not speak French.
>>27884334
Sure, you don't have to. But it's likely to suck ass if you don't know at least a little. Kind of like how you can go to basic without having ever run in your life, but that doesn't make it not a horrible idea
>>27884366
I know very basic French anyway. Can understand it, can't speak it that much though.
Should I join up now or wait it out and see if NATO really goes to war?
Just wanna kill sand nigs desu
>>27882815
>have no moral qualms about whether the country they fight for is doing the right thing.
yeah no.
>>27882632
If you lied about weed at meps do you lie on your SF86 or tell the truth? Will they connect the dots?
Just enlisted in the Navy as an EO, I'm leaving in ~February. From what I know, I'll be doing my 8 weeks in basic then going to Ft. Leonard Wood; Any Navyfags know how fucked I am?
>>27884334
I didn't say you had to to apply. I said they speak french. Just apply then, if you hate Islam and have no connections here go fucking do it.
Should I lie at MEPS?
I have mild-moderate scoliosis and was in a psych ward at 15 or so
Don't I have to sign a release when I enlist releasing all documents?
If I lie about it all and they find the scoliosis, will they investigate further?
>>27884613
i did gotta stick to it
i mean my friend did, i would never lie or do drugs
i love america
God bless america, land that i love
>>27884921
i was told i had it back in the day but at meps, they did a scoliosis test and they said i was okay. i never said anything though
Can previously being in an another country's armed forces get in the way of joining the us military? If it doesn't would the experience help in anyway?
>>27884921
They'll find the scoliosis when you do your physical you idiot.
>>27885169
Depends on the country and what job you want to get in the US military desu
In light of everything that has happened, it will happen more and more often.
This is just the beginning. I'm going down to the recruiter's office tomorrow to enlist, let's go kill some haji's
>Went to MEPS ~4 months ago
>Couldn't get enough piss out
>Went back the next day
>Couldn't piss at all
Been working on pissing in front of people since then. Read a book on shy bladder syndrome & shit. Hope I get it done in 2 months
>>27885362
Anyone taking bets on how many retarded kids go open contract because they think they're gonna kill muslims?
>>27884613
Don't lie on your SF86.
The military doesn't see your SF86 investigation, and your clearance investigators don't really give a shit about what you put on your military job application.
Lying to join the military is bad and might get you kicked out depending how badly they need people, but lying on your SF86 is a felony and can fuck you far in the future if you ever need to take a full-scope polygraph.
>>27885420
new pair of socks and a motrin will get you going.
but no, consider every other option first.
>>27884613
The only guy I saw get kicked out for drug use due to SF86 was a retard who put that he smoked weed in the last year..... and was in the navy for 6 years. What clearence are you going for? Secret? TS? TS/SCI w SSBI? If it's secret then its a cursioury check, SSBI then they send investigators out to your references and "spider web" from there.
For the most part just be honest.
>>27885640
Not that anon, but at least TS.
>>27884971
One says lie
>>27885584
>>27885640
Two say truth
I'm not in yet I'm going to meps soon I meant to say lie not lied. I want to join the 75th. I know a secret is required but I've read that it can get upgraded in the future depending on mos, and where you deploy ect.
>>27885169
>>27885349
The foreign force would be Rok army or marines.
I was thinking aiming for USFK or something.
>>27882466
Lying to the background check guy and 'no deal' shit.
Ergo, if you broke your ankle in fucking high school, you better tell them about it if you don't tell MEPS about it because your Recruiter tells you to shut the fuck up in MEPS.
that bill trying to change pensions for 2018 got vetoed.
Think it will pass in the forseeable future?
>>27885967
It can be a problem for obtaining a security clearance.
>>27884082
Have to say that I don't believe you. They only pull people from the IRR pool when they are in specific need of their MOS. Most of the people who got called back to service were doctors, vets, dentists, EOD, stuff like that.
>>27881627
We don't want you. Plenty of do-nothing soldiers as it is.
Daily reminder that your recruiter is in it for the quota and for promotions.
Weigh everything your recruiter says with a grain of salt.
>>27887661
Question: How much do recruiters have to do with actually goes on your contract? Like, if they don't include something before you get sent to MEPS, is that it, or are they there purely to get your basic paperwork done and move you along the pipeline?
Ayy I'm on staff duty, whos up?
>>27884366
nah man they teach you French before you do anything. they might beat the fuck out of you in the process but you'll learn...
>>27884921
i mean if you can get away with it why bring it up? also if you serve more than 10 years (i think? not sure) then you can claim that shit as being incurred while on duty and the VA pays you disability for it. (i know cause i got some shit i had when i enlisted but served long enough that they think they did it :D )
>>27887748
They and the Liaison at MEPS have a lot to do with what paperwork you see (though not so much what you're qualified for).
It pays to ask questions a lot and to be ready to walk if you don't get what you want.
Remember, you can leave enlistment ANY TIME before your ass is on its way to Basic.
>>27885169
you can't in the US, but you can always forget to mention it. provided your ass didn't tell the entire planet, they shouldn't find out. (now if you applying for a clearance lols you dont wanna lie because they will find out, they always find out)
>>27887788
Navyfag here. MOS?
>>27885193
not always. you can always forget to mention it and then be like "oh shit, really? i dont have insurance so i wouldnt know" i mean cmon now the physical doctor exam part was like what? not even 3 minutes with the guy in a room of 20 something guys?
>>27887843
19K, you?
>>27887835
Hell, the scary part is if they find out AFTER you've put in time, they might (almost certainly will) decide to pull the Green/Blue Weenie on you and cut your retirement/college benefits/etc.
>>27885420
you fucking serious? dude you gonna have to whip out your dick in front of plenty of people during your enlistment (drug tests, physicals, horseplaying in the field, etc) better get used to that shit.
>>27887856
navy equivalent of 35S
how long you been in?
>>27885420
I had Bashful bladder.
I just drank water until I was sick.
At Basic they had me do two canteens.
You can't have a pissing problem when your bladder is double capacity.
>>27887860
I mean it's one thing to lie your ass off to the MEPS people about something like being sick and another to lie about something regarding your clearance.
>>27887903
Too long without getting deployed
>>27887912
damn dude that sucks.
>>27887925
not the navy dude, but wait you never deployed? wtf?
Y'all guys and gals are so lucky you're allowed to enlist. I wish I could enlist as a transgender person. Any insiders got any etas on when that's gonna happen? Because literally the same day it does i'm walkin to my nearby usaf recruters office and trying my ass off to get job flying an A10. I'd do anything to BRRRRRRRRRRT ISIS filth
>>27887919
Hell, I lied at MEPS (by omission) and spoke up at the moment of truth and they were like 'that's all? Shit, we were worried you were actually going to tell us something was wrong. A lot of young Recruits come to us with a little crazy in them'
(minor psychological issue, no diagnosis)
>>27887930
Nah. It was worse at MEPS because no one handed me a canteen and helped me fix it. Drinking a bladder buster of water with a paper cup is hard.
Draining two canteens while a man who looks ten feet tall tells you he's going to kill you and fuck the body if you don't piss right now (or something like that, it's scarier at the time than it is in reality) and then pissing is easy, and you do it so fast it almost doesn't hurt.
>>27887958
you will literally never fly in the AF
i can guarantee it
>>27887941
Nope. They've had me in benning since i graduated. Been doing nothing but trianing butter bars for the past few years.
>>27887971
>>27887971
You're more likely to fucking land a harem with a woman/man/whatever to fulfill each of your fetishes for you, each with a job that will support their fraction of rent/house payment/whatever, and to live long enough to enjoy all of it than you are to fly in the air force even if you meet all of the requirements.
It's like hitting the lottery.
>>27887990
you're not missing much at all other than a missing year of your life, lots of hearing loss and a cloth patch. everyone's always "i wanna go, i wanna go" then they get there and realize its not TV and can't wait to go home. waking up every day and wondering if today is your last day isn't really that fun, trust me
>>27887990
Lucky fuck.
>>27888004
I didnt plan on staying in. I wanted to do a few years, try to deploy and once i did get out. I wanted to serve then go back to my life. But with the opportunity i could have had, they fucking stuck me here. People tell me that all the time. " you dont want to go", but i do. Thats all i wanted to do. I guess training LTs is productive but i feel like I'd be more productive out there. I can imagine someone asking me what i did in the army or asking me how many times i went overseas and ill just sit there and tell them i never got to go. I feel like shit because i never got to go. If that makes sense
>>27887971
Honestly, I'd take full on boot on the ground grunt work. Literally anything'd be fine, as long as i'm serving my country i'm happy.
>>27888104
you won't be serving your country
>>27888004
Well my homelife sucks and I have very few irl friends. I highly doubt i'd miss anything. I know it's gonna suck but it can't possibly suck more than livin in the ghetto with no job and no way to pay for surgeries. Stayin in the closet and droppin 30k on all my feminization surgeries after a 6 year+ enlistment seems like a really solid plan to pay for it.
>>27888123
Have fun getting in with that record
I want to serve my country, but being in a combat role doesn't suit me. What does a 46Q do?
>>27888274
Can't tell if naturally pog as fuck, or if this is bait.
>>27888274
>46Q
you make the army look good to outside agencies. (newspapers, etc), puclishes unit newspapers, etc
>>27886785
Wait so tell the investigators about it or no
What are the US reserves like? I have a job and don't really want to give that up. What are the benefits of serving in the reserves? Anyone ever done it?
>>27888637
i did national guard it wasnt bad but after coming home from basic / ait I realized i didnt really want to come back so i went active duty.
>>27888622
don't lie to the clearance people. they WILL find out the truth, they interview everyone you ever met and everyone that they think youve met. I managed to get a copy of my investigation (i was born abroad) for my clearance years after they got done investigating, they've really good at what they do, which is keeping spies out of our army.
>>27888637
You like your civvy job? Nah man might as well just work your civvy job. Reserves is okay, advancement is available depending on the branch and your willingness to put in the work, just like anything else.
>>27888648
Is the training more or less the same as regular enlistment?
>>27888668
Well, I'm almost 27, so I'd be the old man in the bunch if I just enlisted. To be honest I just have wanted to join, get some training, learn some skills, and do something outside of my regular job. I didn't know if reserves/ NatGuard filled that roll or not.
>>27881307
aight boyoes
Im considering ROTC, but I only want to do it to be an officer. I plan on going for rangers and being a PMC afterwards until I die or get cash to retire, in other words, I would not use the degree.
Whats the fastest path to being an officer? Is it rotc? I dont want to spend 4 years in some feminist cosialist shithole, but I want to be an officer
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsfnuyyjaB0
>>27888680
initial training? at least in the Army is the same for everyone.
>>27888684
yeah ROTC would be your quickest way provided you don't already have a 4 year degree. now ROTC graduation doesn't guarantee you an active duty slot though, or branch (armor, infantry, chemical, etc) at least for army. that shit is based on how well your grades are. (they only let the good students pick, the shitty students get the hand-me-downs)
>>27888704
What if you apply for ranger school directly after?
>>27888680
> I didn't know if reserves/ NatGuard filled that roll or not
depends on your MOS really, I was commo so all my army training was useful in civilian life. some jobs are like that, others don't really provide you with much as civilian
>>27885169
Not necessarily. I knew a guy in the Army who was in the Bulgarian army in the 80's, and I read a story in the army Times during IOF 2 about a guy who fought in a Serb militia when he was 15.
>>27888716
I mean applying for ranger school and actually making it all the way through are two different animals. I know some officers are required to go through ranger school (infantry for example, they make your ass go) they have limited spots available so they're only going to send the best. now you can volunteer to go airborne and after that you can try to get into ranger school, that's worked for lots of people i know of
>>27888738
my dad was told nope he cant enlist, but he was an officer in another nation's army so maybe being an officer was the deal breaker.
>>27887107
I saw a bunch of truck drivers pulled from IRR in '04. They were in my unit so I know it wasn't BS.
>>27888205
Naw man, I'm clean as a whistle.
I'm one of those hoodrats who stayed out of trouble. My only real issue is the GED but if i go army i have better odds.
>>27887835
Bullshit. I've known people who did that. We had a guy in my unit who was in the Bulgarian Army and they didn't give a shit.
>>27888123
Sucking thew muzzle of a glock will clear up your "condition" far more cheaply.
>>27888749
like I tried telling them earlier, IRR does get pulled. and they're shameless about it. Just do your 8 years and you never have to worry about that shit.
>>27888753
make sure you do well in your asvab and you're good. its not used just to get in, the army now uses it as a retention tool, score too low and they cut you when they wanna downsize
>>27888791
I knew some people who joined a reserve unit after active duty to keep from getting pulled from IRR.
>>27888806
yep, you can do that too
>>27888740
It depends, but yes it is a little different if you're an officer. If you're just some conscript they don't care, but if you're an officer then it would depend on what country it was.
>>27888817
this makes more sense.
>>27888802
As long as it's simple to study for I should absolutely slaughter it. I have never had issues getting high scores on multiple choice quizzes.
Do i get to chose my rifle? IE if i get stuck as a truck driver can i just buy a P90 so i don't have to deal with a full 26 inch rifle? If they assign me a m4 can i buy a scar and use that since the mags are compatible? Not big on AR platforms, sorry guys.
>>27889062
What do they even arm truck drivers with? I can't imagine it's a full length 18 inch m4.
>>27889136
Everyone gets an M4 unless they're officers who never leave the wire and only carry an M9.
Anyone here gone through Air Force ROTC?
I got an offer from the Captain for direct entry without application/testing, and it would be a 3.5 year program. I wish to know what it would be like in general, as well as options for MOS in Air Force, active/reserve duty, and careers after discharge.
>>27888725
Fair enough. I have a master's degree and some data training. How are rolls assigned with the Reserves/NatGuard?
>>27888684
Your plan sounds like the terrible halfassed plan of a kid who just graduated high school and wants to go SOF for a few years, then be an officer, maybe try to real colonel, then switch over to SEALS, and then be a test pilot for a few years to prepare them to be an astronaut.
>>27889028
The military isn't fucking CoD
You don't get to use your own weapons or pick what you use
>>27889416
Also interested
>>27889564
Is there something else you'd like to know about AFROTC? I was given a little packet that had some PT details and stuff, also something about Detachment 910, which is where I'll be doing AFROTC this coming spring.
>>27888637
Bullshit. A lot of 'weekends' turn into 'having to leave on Thursday'.
But, an extra $200 or $300 a month depending on your rank and qualificiation.
>>27889953
Haha, does your work hate you for that reason?
300 bucks extra a month would be nice. What are the weekend trainings like, anyway?
Also...Reserves or NatGuard? Which is "better"? Both are in my area (Chicago).
To b e honest skills aside I'd like some firearms experience and team building.
>>27889973
I can't tell you. As far as I know, National Guard and Reserves are different, but I lack the experience with the National Guard.
And, in my experience, most employers have been around long enough to know that the military likes to extend weekends...and the ones that don't know the rules can be scared off by 'you can't fire me for my reserve commitments'.
Most jobs also don't have the stones to complain about a vet needing one weekend a month and a two week vacation a year.
>>27889973
The best way to get firearms experience as a civilian is to purchase one yourself and practice on your own time; non-active military (especially non-combat) doesn't practice with guns as much as you would think. There are classes they teach civilians that allow you to work as armed security, and police training also covers a lot of handgun usage (and you should practice on your own from there).
You can purchase a rifle for under $700 (the cheapest Semi-autos in larger calibers generally bottom out around this price, and bolt actions can be much cheaper), and handguns for under $500 easily.
so let me get this straight
omit everything and lie out your ass at MEPS
but tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth to the background investigators?
>>27890091
I would say: be honest at MEPS because it'll make things easier in the long run (it might even save you from military service and a lot of waiting!), but I would absolutely agree that you should tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth to background investigators.
>>27887855
Thing I'm worried about is if they find that out will they look it up once I sign the army off to look at them, and then they see I was on antidepressants, and was in a hospital for it
>tfw would need Top Secret clearance for the job i want
so do you just tell the complete truth at MEPS and hope to god the men in black don't talk to someone that hates you?
>>27884375
It's easy, you put "le" in front of everything and boom, flawless French.
Bonus! Flawless Spanish: put "el" in front of everything and "-o" at the end of everything.
How hard is it to become a Navy SARC? Of course needs of the military come first but what's the chances of getting that rating once your already through A school?
>leave on the 23rd
>got minor injury while running too much
>nervous as fuck
It'll get better right?
>>27892508
Leaving on 23rd to basic?
What kind of injury? Shin splints, ligament/tendon/muscle injury, or what?
>>27889416
I went through Naval ROTC. It's a lot of work, but I found it fun. They still let you be a college kid, you still get to do stupid college kid stuff (not too much obviously.) I found the work habits they drilled into you made the rest of college a little easier.
What questions do you have?
>>27889594
I'm already almost done with college, I'm not doing ROTC, but I am interested in all the information anyone might have about the actual officering part
>>27892508
Maybe, but maybe not. Doesn't matter, though, because everyone finishes basic will all sorts of problems anyway.
Just get plenty of rest and take Motrin. You're young, it'll heal up quick enough.
If it's THAT serious, they'll delay your entrance.
>>27892521
It's for basic. The injury started off as a hairline fracture in my shin and although that stopped, now it's progressed to my knee. I've been icing it like crazy and trying to stay off it. I tried going for a little 300m run and it was fine during the run but after it just swelled and gave random sharp pains throughout the day.
All I've got is a half finished online application for a 35 series job and a college degree I'm one class away from completing, with a 2.0. What do I do?
Want into sensor operator. How hard will it be getting a green card, coming from a Schengen country?
>>27892593
>all the information anyone might have about the actual officering part
That's a lot. You have more responsibilities and everyone still hates you because you're the new guy. Older enlisted hate you even more because they have to salute your incompetent ass.
Do you have specifics?
How many of you lied about a medical issue to get in?
How long have you served?
>>27892682
You know they have their own doctors and everything, right? Some of them are even pretty good at their jobs. If you have a medical problem, they'll find it.
>>27892584
Thanks for replying, I'm a sophomore in university and I'll be doing 3.5 years in AFROTC. I want to know if there will be any specialization training for MOS during ROTC, or if it will come later. I'm also curious what kind of careers that an officer commissioned through ROTC can get after discharge from active duty. Anon, are you already in active duty after NROTC? Or are you done with your active duty obligation?
>>27892601
I was a sports physician's assistant and I picked up a few things. The hairline fracture you don't want to put too much weight on (eg running hard) so let the nice people in charge know. They'll probably yell at you or something because it's basic, but they should also know the implications of making a hairline fracture worse. You don't want to ice a hairline fracture, you want to gently soak it in comfortably warm, almost hot water (think spa temperature) because heat is what "calls" out blood cells and other crap to the surface of your skin when they try to cool off, and accelerates the healing process. Walk and stretch, and do cardio that doesn't involve putting sudden pressure on your leg. I recommend the elliptical until it starts feeling better. Get calcium because bones and bone healing. Eat more red meat for iron, or if you're a vegetarian/vegan, spinach. Sleep more, because healing process happens to a greater extent with sleep.
TL;DR
Soak leg in tub of comfortably hot/warm water, use elliptical for cardio, drink milk and eat red meat, sleep at least 8-9hrs a day if you can.
>>27892604
Finish degree, enlist in Army as E4. Pick a job with civilian prospects. Use TA and/or GI Bill to go to grad school and don't fuck up so much on your GPA this time. Optionally, just make a career of it if you can stand the military.
>>27892604
What are you asking here? Enlisting or finishing college? The wait times for the DEP program are stupid long so you can do both. Also the 35 series are great MOS's
>>27892622
Mostly about how much you actually work with your field. I'm hoping to be a weather officer and use that to hopefully work for NASA, but it seems like a bit of a catch-22 where they would prefer an officer but it sounds like I would get a lot more education and experience as an enlisted weather specialist, and obviously that's important too.
I've heard that it's possible for officers to go to grad school as an active duty assignment, what are my chances of that? And would I have to extend my contract to do that?
Can any navyfags here gimme the skinny on Intel Specialist?
It looks pretty interesting and could translate to a cushy govt job afterwards.
Is it shit? Is it cool?
>>27892787
>>27892844
You don't start training for your job until you complete the program. Everything you do in school is simply teaching you how to be an officer. What you actually do in your particular service comes later.
I'm currently active duty Navy. I finished my service obligation last year but I'm sticking with it because I like my job. At the beginning, I couldn't wait to be done with my obligation, but I've found I'm rather fond of the Navy life now.
The sort of jobs that are available to a person depends very much on their degree and their military job. The Air Force seems to have a leg up on the other branches in terms of ease of placement, since so many of their jobs have "real-world" equivalents. That's the perception, at least.
Getting a good job after you're done with your active duty career is just like getting a job in the rest of the world. You get hooked up by people who know you. Fortunately, the Armed Forces is a huge family and there's never a shortage of people who want to help a fellow serviceman.
I want to be an Infantryman in the Marines. I'm pretty intellectual (this is what people tell me, personally I believe I'm a fucking idiot but people tell me I'm a good writer and all that shit) and I can be conditioned for the heavy lifting and the runs and all that. I'll also probably score a high ASVAB score as well.
How do I fare? Would they let me do it, or make me do something else as to not put my potential to waste?
>>27893170
Why not take a practice ASVAB online and compare your scores? I know there are several jobs/specializations in infantry so depending on your score you might be able to choose MOS, I believe.
>>27893170
If you got a high ASVAB they will heavily encourage you to do something brainy that they want filled
But they can't stop you if you want to be a grunt
>>27893186
I took a practice one a year ago and got like a 70.
I'll take it again. Thanks 2bh familia.
>>27893123
I know the obligation is like, 4 years, so that should place you at... Lieutenant? How do you know if you'll be selected for promotion from O-3 to O-4? I know they normally discharge you if you don't make the cut, so how do you ensure that you do? If they select me for promotion from Captain to Major I'll stay in, but otherwise I'll separate and go Reserves while working another job.
>>27893170
The recruiters will try their best to get you into some other MOS they have trouble getting people to fill. Maybe even try to lure you with some sort of sign on bonus.
If you stand firm they'll get you in infantry, threaten that you're talking to the Army and they'll give it to you. That's what I did, told them to give me Infantry or I was going Airborne.
Protip: Get a 60 or lower purposefully on your asvab at MEPS or when you hit your unit you'll get pulled out of a line platoon eventually and put in an S-shop or an Intel cell.
Source: prior 0311 with a 96 asvab and 124 GT score selected for company Intel.
>>27893236
Each service is a little different, but generally very similar. Getting promoted is a matter of passing tests, having seniority and not fucking up. There's really not much thinking involved. Seriously. Unless you're a colossal screw-up, you'll get to Lieutenant Commander.
From O-2 to O-3 is a year and a half to two years. The basic requirement is the ability to fog a mirror.
From O-3 to O-4 takes another two years. The basic requirement is to have kept the mirror so you can fog it again.
From O-3 to O-4 takes around five years. It takes longer now because the Navy was asked to trim down its bloated amount of officers and it requires a panel to review your file, but nearly everyone makes it on their first try.
After that, we're talking career. You have to be on the right path, you have to know the right people, and the right people have to like you.
>>27893330
Jesus I fucked those numbers up.
Let me try it again.
Ens to ltjg is 18 months
Ltjg to lt is 2 years
Lt to lcdr is 5 years
Lcdr to cdr is 5 years
After that it's by Congressional appointment
>>27893330
Yup, I read about the near 100% selection rate for O-1 to O-2, and O-2 to O-3. Anywhere beyond O-4 though, I think is a matter of personal politics and connections, as well as capability.
So what do you do? Surface warfare officer? Or something else? I'm really curious now, a legitimate USN officer answering questions on /k/.
After military service can you still be prosecuted for fraud enlistment?
>>27881307
Leaving tomorrow from AFBMT from GA
Anyother /k/ommandos leaving?
>>27893427
Sorry man I'm AFROTC, hopefully I can run into you in a few years.
>>27893387
I'm in the Submarine fleet and run a division of sonar technicians. Life on a sub is very diffierent from life on a skimmer. I volunteered for sub duty because I get seasick and don't swim very well. Neither of these is ever a problem in the silent service.
>>27893441
Same here. Stay safe until then brother.
>>27893470
I'll be in Detachment 910, how about you? (If you're willing to say, of course)
I'm hoping for an assignment to McGuire AFB, since it will be closer to some relatives.
>>27893455
Holy shit a submarine officer! Attack sub or boomer? I metaphorically came so hard when I watched Hunt for Red October so many years ago. Yeah, I'd assume that if you needed to swim in the submarine fleet something has fucked up really, really badly. Do they teach you about the sonar equipment/how to operate/what sounds mean, or do they leave that to the enlisted, and you only need to know basics?
I chose Air Force instead of Navy because even though the Navy uniforms are hell of a lot sexier, I'm not quite at the level where I can be competitive for Naval PT. I was a fat fuck until last year when I got serious about ROTC and service, lost 40lbs and am about to start AFROTC. 6'0" and 210lbs, ideally I should be 190 but I'm definitely working on it. Fuck being shaped like a walrus, it's time to get good.
I was talking (arguing) to a kid from the guard who is/was set to ship this coming month, he said he was trying to get a discharge so he could join RA or air force? Is that possible? PNN says once you're discharged you're done.
His reason being he hated recruit sustainment and wanted to "train on his own."
Who here going to Jackson in the next week? Anybody need a battle buddy?
>>27893528
I'm on an SSBN (not going to tell you which one, obviously.)
Red October was my inspiration to join the sub fleet as well. From the time I was 14 I was pretty much obsessed with that being my job.
We officers have to know the equipment better than our men do. We are trained on all the equipment and we are constantly training. A lot of the time a guy who's been around for a while will have learned a number of neat tricks and a good leader will take advantage of that, but he shouldn't rely on it. In all cases, I have to know exactly what my men are supposed to do, otherwise, why am I even here.
Good call on the Navy's uniforms being a lot sexier than the Air Force's. Enjoy your polo-and-khakis. There's nothing on earth that draws in pussy like an officer's dress whites. Girls don't know you're not a pilot, they don't know you don't fly F-14s; when you're in white, you're Tom fucking Cruise before he got weird.
Keep working on getting in shape. The discipline it takes to get in shape will prepare you for the discipline in every other aspect of military life.
>>27893528
>Do they teach you about the sonar equipment/how to operate/what sounds mean, or do they leave that to the enlisted, and you only need to know basics?
Easy rule of thumb: if the military expects you to be able to do ANYthing, they will train you on the exact way they want you to do it. You do not have to know anything going in, you just have to be able to learn.
>>27893664
Thanks, I've been misled by some shit-talkers who claim that officers are there to look pretty, push papers, and know little while NCOs are expected to be the experts and run shit. I've got that inverted triangle thing going because I'm just "overweight" now, and in a month maybe I'll even throw off that designation.
Polo and khakis though, the service dress uniforms for Air Force are nice, but the dress whites and the Navy dress blues w/the gold stripey stuff simply looks better.
>>27893709
Nice to know that I'll be told how to use things the way they want me to, I'm more of a kinesthetic learner, even if I can read a manual or listen to a lecture, it's easier that way.
Do any of you all who have served have any general tips/advice/things to avoid that aren't explicitly listed and are implied (or even not implied, but just a no-no?)
>>27893664
did you do ocs or rotc?
I took a practice ASVAB online, how do I calculate my scores?
>>27893782
I did NROTC.
>>27893788
There are sections, and then you add up points like they ask you to.
Here's mine.
If a MOS required AR, GS, and WK, I add my numbers correct so it's 24+27+34, and it's 85. You can look up required scores for certain MOS online, they're publicly available.
>inb4 macintrash faggot
>>27893818
Oh, I didn't take mine on military.com, I took it on some other site, guess I'll take it again.
>>27893754
>I've been misled by some shit-talkers
Talking shit is 90% of what we do. The vast majority of people aboard a vessel know and appreciate what everyone else's role is. A complete crew is needed to complete a mission. Certainly there will be frustration regarding laziness or incompetence, of which there is plenty.
On my first (few) cruises, some of the saltier chiefs would mess with me, but always in fun and never crossing the line. (No matter how young, stupid, or ignorant an officer may be, he is still an officer.) My ability to take shit legitimized my right to talk shit. A brittle officer doesn't last long.
>>27893855
Got any tips for a rider?
>>27892492
Bumping this
>>27893328
What did you do as infantry in an intel cell?
>>27893123
I know all that. My question was really, if I was to learn weather systems/climatology/meterology, would I learn more as an officer in that field, or as an enlisted? I'm pretty confident I will be able to get the job I want. Also, how likely is to get a grad school active duty assignment for an officer? Not very, I'm guessing?
>>27893818
>mac
>minecraft
c'mon you're smarter than that
>>27894072
It's my autism simulator/relaxation simulator 101.
One day a month, I enter a custom world and do nothing but build a continuous railway bridge across the map for hours on end. It's surprisingly relaxing.
>>27894049
Grad school is pretty much guaranteed if you're a career officer. You aren't going to get to O5+ without a Master's degree.
Prior to O4 though? Probably not going to get sent on the military's dime. And it will incur a service obligation.
>>27894091
That's too bad, but about what I expected. I'm not planning on making it a career, and I'm not planning on reaching staff level. Of course, that might change.
>>27894158
Plenty of guys don't want to make it a career. They complete their service requirement and then move to the civilian world, armed with the unique and valuable experiences they earned in the military.
By the time your service requirement term is coming to an end, you should have a pretty good idea if this is really meant to be your career. Remember, they do not allow people with stalled careers. If you get passed over for promotion twice, you are kindly asked to leave.
Does a military doc still do all the normal military stuff with everyone else? Like formations, training that everyone seems to get, mandatory PT, etc. Commission as an O3, and they pay for med school. It's pretty tempting.
>>27894196
Yeah, that's what I've heard. I'm planning on staying at O3 (or O4? The highest non-staff level, I don't remember) even if it means I have to leave. But like I said, I might love it and change my mind. I'm just trying to get good experience and military benefits. It's a career move, not a burning need to serve my nation.
Do you know if it would be better to go enlisted if I'm interested in learning the skills of the field I'm in? Especially since I probably can't go to grad school through the military.
>>27894210
>Does a military doc still do all the normal military stuff with everyone else?
Of course. A military doctor still has to be capable of serving in the military. A military accountant still has to be capable of serving in the military.
This is actually becoming a significant problem since there are so many independent contractors coming in to do these jobs these days. These contractors generally don't mesh well with military types.
>>27894239
You can say "Sure, military docs do formations and PT and stuff".
But the reality is, no, no they don't. They work 12+ hour shifts in a hospital and usually don't have time for that crap. Can they get deployed quite near the front line, carry a rifle, and do military things? Yes, but that's far from the norm for doctors. They're valuable resources, and both the military and the doctors themselves know that.
>>27894291
This. If a doctor doesn't do PT and gets fat, they're not going to get booted out, they're way too valuable. I've seen plenty of fat military doctors.
>>27894239
Interesting. I kind of wanted to do some of that stuff, but I assumed that they didn't do any of that since their authority is in a very narrow scope for an officer.
>>27894301
Aren't they still bound by regs and shit?
Or does just no one say anything to them?
>>27894395
They are still completely governed by regulations. There are fat doctors as >>27894301 pointed out, but that is mostly due to their age. Physical conditioning requirements are relaxed as you get older.
They are a breed apart, but they are still a member of their service.
>>27884115
Do it, if i didnt have family who need me I would do it too.
>>27894030
We basically kicked battalion intel out to the company. Issued Sitreps, Bolo's, etc.
We also would debrief our own guys getting back from patrol. Got to do some cool training. Coolest thing was getting to fly UAV's, until another CLIC marine crashed the damn thing and qrf had to go get it.
It sucks because you're in the COC a lot with the higher ups (good for "career" if you're an ass kisser) monitoring the action. Or you attach yourself to a platoon and go on patrol with them, sometimes because not enough Intel guys you go back out on patrol more often than your buddies in a line platoon. Then because you're in the COC so much you get to hear your buddies call you a POG.
On a funnier note Battalion Level Intel Team acronym is BLIT. They changed it to Company Level Intelligence Cell instead of team or the acronym would have been CLIT instead of CLIC.
>>27884115
The FFL is fucked up tough.
Firstly, they are the single most over-recruited force on the planet. They only take 1 in 10 in the smallest recruit classes.
Secondly, if you're not in tip-top shape, don't bother. You won't get past the door. Because they have so many people try and sign up, they can afford to be choosy as they want.
Thirdly, the psych test is what gets you into the Legion. They take only those recruits whose psychological profile matches those men who accept Legion life rapidly and readily.
Rambo types, guys who just want to kill, guys who want to fight, they do not make good legionnaires. Guys who will obey orders without questioning or thinking, even if those orders are nonsensical, those are the what the Legion wants.
anyone know how to drop an inch off my chest in 48hrs? i bloated 5inches up for some reason and wont make tapes unless I lose literally 1 inch on my chest
>>27894699
Stay thirsty (drink less water but don't dehydrate yourself too much) until after taping and don't eat any salt
>>27894763
Would a straight up 48hr fast work?
>>27894763
ehhh probably but I wouldn't recommend it. Just don't eat enough to feel very full. Eating isn't going to effect your chest size much as long as you aren't eating any salt
>>27894699
That doesn't make any sense. Chest helps you on the tape.
I primarily want money for school. I'm interested in the guard.
What is the service obligation? I know for AD, it's 4 years active, then 4 years IRR. But what about the guard?
If I'm going to school full time, can I be withdrawn, and deployed?
How is the MOS selection? Is it easy to get the MOS I want?
Is there any kind of wait time for when I can start using tuition assistance, or can I immediately start using it?
>>27895361
National Guard don't get the GI Bill.
Because you won't be doing enough to earn it.
Back to square 1 for you.
>>27895383
Nowhere did I mention the GI bill, I said tuition assistance.
>>27894091
So if i want to get a masters while im an officer, itll only be out of my own pocket? and the gi bill kicks in only after active duty right?
>>27894653
tell me about marine intel officers.
would I be able to get into the action, attached to platoons and stuff? or would I end up being a fobbit?
>>27895361
Guardsman here, my states paying for all my schooling and since I'm in ROTC I'm getting about 1000 bucks a month with stipend and my guard pay, plus my unit has officer training for enlisted in ROTC programs
>>27895517
What is drill like?
>>27895484
Depends on how long you're an officer for. GI Bill can be used on active duty, but it isn't usually a good idea due to the way it works.
You could also use tuition assistance to work on your Master's while in, but for officers it incurs a service obligation (for enlisted it doesn't).
How offensive do tattoos have to be that the army wont take you?
>>27895630
Post a pic
>>27895637
>>27895637
>>27895668
>>27895630
Go to the army reddit. Look on the right, click ask a recruiter thread. Make an account, and ask an actual recruiter there.
Or just walk into a recruiters office and show them.
>>27895696
thanks
i only have 3 tattoos right now. Cenbite from Hellraiser, Jason and Eddy from some Iron Maiden album artwork
I figure none of them are offensive or demeaning. I just love horror movies
>>27895630
For all branches:
Any tattoo that would potentially be offensive to someone, no.
Any tattoo that isn't covered-up by a standard uniform, no.
Each branch then has its own standards of what constitutes other no-go tattoos in terms of size, content and location. The Air Force's standards are the strictest, the Army's is the most relaxed. (If you get a restricted tattoo while you're serving in the Air Force, they will make you remove it on your dime.)
>>27895786
>(If you get a restricted tattoo while you're serving in the Air Force, they will make you remove it on your dime.)
Well thanks for telling me that! In the process of getting in right now, and knowing my dumb ass I would get something stupid right on my chest once I got in.
>>27895786
To add to this, tattoos can actually affect your speed of promotion. Having lots of ink is in your file and can be a tie breaker if you're on the fence.
>>27895731
>Eddy
You'll fit right in.
Any suggestions about lying at MEPs?
>>27896050
>>27895630
When I was in AF bmt, there was a kid with a pot leaf on his shoulder. He was gone in week 2 and our MTI said that was why he left and couldn't believe he made it to bmt.
There was also a girl in our sister flight that had to have a star tattoo removed from her neck before she came to bmt. She still had the bandage on her neck when she got there.
>>27896050
What about?
Just got word my paperwork went through for the guard. My first drill is next weekend. Any advice for RSP?
>>27896123
Asthma when i was about 9. Misdiagnosed with ADHD, Hospitalized for depression[spoiler] At the time, my teacher was a bitch and lied to administration that I threatened to commit suicide at 11.[/spoiler]
>>27896325
Fuck 3rd time fucking up on spoiler.
>>27896340
there are no spoilers on /k/
>>27896325
I don't know if you'l get away with lying about asthma anon... Isn't it likely to kick up sometimes?
>>27896347
I can dream.
>>27896351
It hasn't surfaced for around 9 years. I played soccer in highschool and it never once bothered me unless I tried to run at full throttle.
>>27896325
you are fucked son military hate asthma
>>27896368
Anon, are you going for Army, Navy, or Air Force?
I'm pretty sure some of the branches have PT exercises that involve particulate matter (read: dust/mist/whatever) that might trigger your asthma.
Idk if you could try get into an MOS that is less strenuous, but you probably can if you do well enough on ASVAB. It's definitely something worth heading over to the army reddit and ask one of the recruiters there.
>>27896389
Army. But what about the other ailments? Im confident my asthma wont surface. My biggest fear is them finding out about the false ADHD/Hospitalization
how long you guys studied the ASVAB study books???
>>27896414
Again, I strongly recommend asking the actual recruiters that prowl the Army reddit about that.
I assume that you can have them test you again with the psych eval. Also, you were 11, so just starting puberty and therefore prone to mood swings and random hormonal garbage.
>>27896459
Alright, thanks for the help.
The job I want needs Top Secret clearance, but I took anti-depressants for a short time when I was 17 and had a breakdown, tried talking to the doctor for help and denied going to a therapist, took the anti-depressants for like a week or two then tossed them since I didn't wanna fuck myself up. I don't know whether or not the depression was diagnosed, would this hamper my ability to get in and get the clearance?
>>27887958
The US Military does not want you if you are transgender. That is a serious mental disorder. They don't even fucking take kids on Ritalin.
>>27896794
You are correct for about 4 more months. Army has a mandate to figure out how to allow transgender folks by around April of 2016. It's happening.
>>27887958
There is pretty much zero chance of you ever being a pilot. The majority of pilots are from the air force academy, and most of the rest are from ROTC. You have to be seriously hot shit and have good luck with openings to sign up into OTS and become a pilot.
do clearance guys care about add/adhd?
>>27893122
pls respond
>>27898105
Not navy but i'm sure it's the same shit.
A lot of intel stuff is classified, so it is limited for what navy fags can tell you.
With that being said, it's not a very exciting or action packed field. You're probably going to be very comfortable using powerpoint.
You can, but think of all the other people who go into Intel thinking it'll just easily land them a 3 letter agency job. You need more than just exp, like a degree.
I heard working as a contractor is pretty easy though.
>>27898224
thanks anon
So it sounds like I just create a slideshow of stats and pictures and maps and show it to officers. Sounds pretty comfy t b h
And I know people who work for places like boeing and stuff that say the clearance can land you a good job.
>>27895501
Well, normally officers don't talk candid, but one Intel officer told me he hated it.
You'd be a 95% fobbit. Unless you joined Infantry contract.
Pogs = desk job. Intel = vacuuming the carpet. And that's not cool slang, I mean you'll vacuum a carpet.
Anybody know much about how GED + College Credits works for US Military in general? As well as my more specific questions if you can.
I just turned 26, getting GED soon (dropped out due to bad home life in HS and never had a reason to get till looking into military)
Planning on University of Alaska Anchorage, military or not, but I'm interested in USMC Reserves as Military Police out of Joint Base Elmendorf Richardson.
Wondering if it's feasible to make that, get into college and pump out my credits, get a contract, and get in before I'm 28 years old, the age limit? Would age waivers be likely if I'm exceptional candidate?
I just wanna get in this unit, m8es.
>>27892508
Navy?
>>27882070
I vaguely remember people taking a few "by-mail" courses while underway. Basically there's a guy designated to be in charge of it that gives you the study materials and proctors the tests. Everything's paper tamper-sealed. I personally never had the time so I didn't do any of that shit until right before I got out, I took a couple of DANTES for college credit.
>>27893664
>We officers have to know the equipment better than our men do.
i chuckled, thanks sir
>>27889973
Both are shit so it doesn't matter.
>>27899112
>>27899112
GED + 15 college credits and you are considered equivalent to a HS grad.
>>27895429
Why?
National Guard/Reserve TA is absolute shit. You literally get more from Federal Pell Grant than you would from Guard TA. It would be completely understandable to join for the GI Bill but for the TA only??? You need to talk to someone and unfuck yourself.
>>27901332
I don't know, I'm just trying to make this as cheap as possible. They offer about $4000 per semester according to their website.
I applied to FAFSA about two weeks ago, have yet to hear from them.
>>27901376
>>27901376
Did you contact your school's Student Affairs Office? If not then you should. And you have to meet certain requirements to even qualify for TA in the reserves/Guard. You have to fill out a document and it must be approved by your company commander :
>maintaining a GPA over 2.5
>passing EVERY PT test. Getting flagged will result in termination of TA and you won't be able to apply again until you pass your PT
>academic misconduct would be grounds for termination as well as unexcused absences from BA
With GI Bill you don't have to worry about all that bullshit, because you earned it. Unfortunately like another anon said, Guardsmen don't get the GI Bill unless they have atleast 9-18 months of active duty time.
>>27901431
As I was typing this I literally just got an email saying my FAFSA was successfully processed, I did it my mail so maybe that is why it took longer. Anyways, I always want to serve, but I ultimately want to go to med school and possibly server as a doc. So that's why I'm looking at guard/reserve, so I don't have to my education on hold for 4 years.
