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New MachineGUN thread since the last one was deleted.
If we win this court case machine guns could be registrable just like SBR's and Supressors.
There are two cases against the ATF right now, the original, Hollis v. Holder and Watson v. Holder.
Court case files are viewable accessible here:
http://www.scribd.com/NoloContendere
It says machine gun, but will this include SUB machine guns? I really want to trade my ps90 in for the real deal.
>>23947315
You won't win.
I hate that, and hate the reasons you won't win, and I wish you would win, but facts are facts.
This. Shall not. Pass.
>>23947332
You would be able to file your ps90 just like you would an SBR and then convert it.
>>23947315
so, how does that work on the first shot?
>>23947332
There's literally no difference per the mechanical definition.
If this passes, I will join several others on /k/ who have sworn to eat a literal 10-gallon hat and/or fedora (they know who they are).
I'm not exactly hopeful enough to start looking up recipes for hats.
>>23947354
You pull the ring and keep pulling.
>>23947332
There's no such thing as "sub machine guns" in legal terms. If a weapon is capable of select fire, it is a machine gun. Barrel length is not important if it is a machine gun.
>>23947354
You pull the ring with your finger and keep tension on it. When the bolt slams back forward it pulls the trigger again for you.
>>23947354
>Pull handle back
>let it go
I would like to know why my last thread was deleted 12 hours after creation. Too many false report from haters?
Alright, put up, /k/.
IF this passes, what ridiculous, uncomfortable, and/or unpleasant thing will you do to offer up your humiliation and pain in thanks to the Murdercube (and the amusement of the board)?
I wonder how many people would use this to form 1 their machine guns that they had hidden away for so many years.
>>23947494
Gorillions, probably.
>>23947315
>If we win this court case
How can anyone think either of these ridiculous cases has a snowflakes chance in hell? What does suing the attorney general even have to do with repealing a congressional amendment anyway?
>>23947412
Would extra-large dragon dildo double penetration count or does it have to be something you wouldn't normally do?
>>23947540
>What does suing the attorney general even have to do with repealing a congressional amendment anyway?
you my friend just posted the stupidest comment on /k/ all day.... and that is a hell of an accomplishment.
>>23947494
Not saying I would do this, but I know people who would.
>>23947352
Think FN would sell the convert kits? They routinely defend it saying the parts are non interchangeable.
>>23947540
The same way DC vs Heller shitcanned the requirement of trigger locks because it makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the purpose of self-defense on a constitutional basis.
>>23947412
I will donate a 2000 round case of homerolled incendiary shotgun ammo to nuggetfest.
>>23947547
kek
>>23947560
You don't need a conversion kit.
Gen 1-2 sear packs for the PS90 and Steyr AUG had all the parts needed for fully automatic fire.
Rules were changed by the ATF and redesigns had to happen, along with the ban on open bolt semi auto FFP designs.
This may be somewhat related.
I have a friend, we'll call him John Boy, who, theoretically, wants to sell someone else a pre-ban select-fire mini 14. What would this someone theoretically need to do to make this sale legal?
>>23947700
Cant really do anything with an unregistered AC-556 other than put it back in the attic.
The receiver is heavily modified and in the ATF's words "once a full auto always a full auto".
Its not as simple as a trigger pack swap with a semi auto either because you have the link and hole still exposed.
Hope that answered your question.
>>23947834
According to him the weapon is registered, he just doesn't have a class 3 license anymore. For the price and description it sounded like it was one of the 'law enforcement only' versions from the late 70's or early 80's.
>>23948020
There's no such thing as a "class 3 license".
>>23948020
Well considered there was never such a thing as Class 3 license that wouldn't matter.
>>23948043
>>23948059
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Firearms_License
Guess again.
>>23948145
You don't seem to know the difference between a Federal Firearms License and a Special Occupation Tax Class.
1) SOT Classes are not licenses. They are endorsements upon a Federal Firearms License.
2) SOTs are not required to own NFA items. SOTs deal with the people who buy, make, and sell them as a business.
>>23948145
>>23948179
Anyway, before you try to fight that fact that you aren't correct, I'm just going to give you the answer:
If you are actually talking about the fact that your friend has an NFA item but lost the tax stamp/form 4 to it then he has one option. That option is to certify mail a request to the Chief of the NFA division of the ATF to crosscheck their NFA registration database with the item's serial number. The ATF can then confirm it is on there and mail him a copy of their copy of the Form 4 used to obtain it.
Now if he isn't sure it was actually registered, do not do this because then he has admitted guilt to owning an unregistered NFA item and it's time to go to federal prison.
>>23947601
I read the complaints section in op's link now let me see if I have this right.
Hollis's demands are basically that law enforcement stop enforcing 922(o), or that the court rule 922(o) does not prohibit a trust from making a new MG in the first place, based on a bunch of reasons including the NFA is unconstitutional and always has been, an unincorporated trust is not listed under the definition of a "person" in the GCA and so is not prohibited from making a new MG, and the ATF approved his form 1 and then un-approved it which he says is a violation of his 5th amendment rights.
Who actually decides this though? Just a judge? Do both sides just keep appealing until it goes to the supreme court? I'm really interested to see the defense to this.
>>23948302
You know the DoJ will not rest until they are told they are right and neither will the other side so this will either end up at the Supreme Court or the court right below it if the Supreme Court denies to hear it.
Reminder that you have Tripfags on this board and writing for gun rags who think that their investment is more important then your rights.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/12/machinegun-ban-will-not-go-away/
>>23948403
The firearms community is just as shitty with shitty people as other communities. It used to be filled with slightly better people before the internet became widespread.
>>23948403
Is this That Guy?
>>23948446
That Guy posted in the comments. The blog piece was written by a particularly cancerous faggot trip named /k/ommando. He used to post a lot more frequently.
>>23948446
No, I'm just giddy that Alex is finally showing his true colors again. Many moons ago Alex used to trip as The /k/ommando and regularly spouted some pretty intense anti-gun (or rather anti-gun community) beliefs. Not the kind of trolling shitposting I do, but legitimate beliefs along the line of "Well if you can't afford a F/A you shouldn't have guns at all" kind of posting, stuff rooted in being a FA owner. Fast forward a few years and he has a job writing for a gun blog and suddenly his tune changes along with the trip, likely because he wasn't too keen on people knowing how he really felt. These cases start popping up and he winds up writing an incredibly transparent article that can basically be summarized as "Oh shit, all of my money is wrapped up in something that could be worthless over night, fuck these guys the ban will never be repealed" And despite his back tracking on statements made both here concerning how he feels about gun ownership and on that blog, namely about his financial situation and investment in pre-86 stuff it's become pretty clear he's another one that would fight repeal of Hughes or NFA because he stands to lose a LOT from it. That article was one of the worst pieces of published (on any media) I have ever seen, I thought I was reading a straight up click bait article. But as I read it then dug through the comments where people have pointed out his previous statements concerning just how invested, both financially and emotionally, he is in machineguns it's pretty clear that the tone of that article was one of genuine hope that the ban goes nowhere because he would lose his shirt, tie, and shoes.
>>23948462
It's interesting to see him no longer trying to defend himself, ever since people have brought up a few statements he's made in the past pertinent to the topic, as well as one of the attorneys making a personal appearance to defend the flat out false statements Alex made. I hope he gets sued for libel.
>>23948723
Thank you that guy.
I was the OP of the last thread and kinda wish you were there to talk in it before the mods deleted it for no reason.
>>23947332
"sub" just means it fires pistol ammo.
I must say, while That Guy is a nearly unrelenting faggot, Alex is worse. That guy at least seems to actually like guns and is knowledgeable about medical stuff.
>>23948446
>>23948462
like what >>23948919 said, it's Alex. Faggot also likes to post this picture of his dad's gun collection and claim it's his
I love the idea of this passing, but it never will. I have a few full auto toys that I paid way too much for. I can honestly say though if they lost their value at the cost of gaining new toys at a cheap price I'm all for it. Fuck my Uzi's if it means I can get a full auto rpd and other funs.
Sadly this won't be backed by any pro gun organizations. Its not in their best interests to make their biggest donators lose money. Even if their $100,000 war relics would lose value by $2000-10000 they would still keep the collector value since they have history. Sadly that's too much of a loss in their eyes so the big picture gets ignored. Its fucking sad, my dreams of having a full fun lmg mounted on the jeeps roll cage will never happen.
>>23949019
>that checklist
>that collection
>that everything
>>23949131
Go away Alex.
>>23949131
Alex, why do you go by your middle name?
>>23949156
>>23949219
Wait whut? I just started tripfagging. Who is alex?
>>23947341
>>23948145
please stop.
>>23949019
Does anybody else get pissed off when NFA richfags buy more than one of the same transferrable?
THANKS FOR MAKING THE MARKET POOL EVEN SMALLER FOR NO GOOD REASON
>>23949565
The only NFA items I have multiple of is M16's. Reason being, I don't like to shoot alone and I don't like to wait forever if there is more than one person with me.
>>23949592
alex?
>>23948919
That Goy just does it for fun. He's been trolling for years and none of it is serious. /k/ has a continuous stream of newshits that fall for his stuff and that's why he does what he does. /k/ommando was an anti-gun shitbird that didn't give two fucks about anyone else's ability or access to owning firearms as long as he got his. And it wasn't trolling.
>>23949606
fuck no.
>>23949592
Which is reasonable, it's definitely one of those me having a problem things.
You get what I'm saying though, right?
>>23947341
>>23949660
So, anyone have any more interesting ghetto full auto mods like OP's image?
>>23950154
FBI ATF pls
>>23947341
>>23949660
>Mfw I was here for this thread
>Glorious
>>23948403
And the comments are closed. TFB goes into maximum damage control for Alex's monumental faggotry.
>>23950224
is there a thread on AR15.com discussing
the Alex / TFB blog post from 2 days ago?
couldn't find it on AR15 GD...
if there is, and someone could please link to it -
>>23950260
http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1681489&page=64
>>23948723
>Many moons ago Alex used to trip as The /k/ommando and regularly spouted some pretty intense anti-gun (or rather anti-gun community) beliefs
It wasn't even that long ago, really. What confuses me is why his trademark Heckler&Koch fetish seemingly vanished during the transition.
>>23950312
Not really, he still posts his P7 edc every chance he can. Especially in threads where people ask for edc recommendations with a budget.
>>23950336
Guess I never saw those posts. I still think the H&K wankery was toned down. I mean, does anyone else remember that "assault rifle tier" chart he made? The one he posted every. single. goddamned. day?
>>23950347
lol yeah i do
>>23950260
>>23950309
unfucked the link for non mobile users
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1681489_NFA_cases__Hollis_v__Holder__Watson_v__Holder___another_attorney_announced_for_our_team_p_30_.html&page=32
>>23950347
Yep.
And don't forget him justifying the fortune he spent converting a SL8 to a faux-G36 by talking about it incessantly.
>>23950347
I remember it.
>His article now closed to comments due to critical mass of BTFO
I seriously hope that Lawyer he attacked sues him and TFB into bankruptcy for libel.
>>23950362
thank you sir
(didn't realise it was on the existing NFA/Hollis thread over there)
>>23950369
have an email addr? have some laughs you can share.
>>23950369
you hate TFB as much as i do? i hate you but we can be friends like usa and russia during ww2
>>23950373
i just unfucked the url, i don't go on ar15.com. it's cancer.
you can unfuck it by looking at what i did to it:
http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1681489&page=64
get rid of /mobile/ and replace with /forums/t_#_#/####_.html
the 2 numbers after t are the b= and f= numbers in the url always
the long set of #'s after the / is the long set of numbers in the original url at the end, usually t=
so /forums/t_1_5/1681489_.html would be the unfucked version.
i've been doing this for years because they dont let plebes sign up with free emails.
>>23950369
>I seriously hope that Lawyer he attacked sues him and TFB into bankruptcy for libel
Recommend that everyone reading these words,
right now go over to the Alex/TFB blog post -- while it remains up -- and up-vote the lawyer (Stephen S)'s user comment, along with all other user comments that ream the OP/author
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/12/machinegun-ban-will-not-go-away/
>>23950366
I just shrugged at that faggotry. No, what well and truly tied my dick into a square knot was him getting shit that genuinely interested me, like an M2HB and a Reising SMG. And not in the "HOW DARE HE BE ABLE TO GET SHIT I WANT BUT CAN'T AFFORD!?" mad, but how I never see that shit discussed by him EVER again. Probably the only guy on /k/ who gets the Thompson's FAS younger brother, and the only thing I hear about it from him, to this very fucking day, was "The transfer for my Reising went through today". This was back in September, and he hasn't even brought it up by name since then.
>>23950369
>mfw the lawyer shows up
>mfw straight up calls Alex out
>mfw he gets no response from Alex, but the guy who replied to him does
>>23950409
And please downvote the TFB editors comments playing damage control for Alex Cunt.
>>23950401
>i just unfucked the url
yeah I knew which thread it was just from the topic
have been following that topic since it began over there
(not "promoting" AR15 dawt com either but fact remains it's the largest USA firearms board)
>>23947540
It's an act. Not an amendment.
>>23947315
oh god now im imagining a garand grenade
>pull pin
>throw at nazis
>hot steaming garand pouring through their bodies
>>23950428
werd i just kinda wanted to share my autistic manual unfucking of the url
i should learn how to write a chrome plugin or something to unfuck the url automatically
>>23950415
>mfw he gets no response from Alex
Alex _did_ respond in user comments, below the lawyer's
and I'm sure that wasn't all. The lawyer also copied it direct to Alex via his posted email
i.e. what's currently displayed on blog/site user comment thread is pretty obviously not all that's transpired
>>23950442
>Alex _did_ respond in user comments, below the lawyer's
He did? Last I checked it was going on hour eight with no response.
>>23950401
>>23950409
>>23950415
I don't know enough about law to make any assumptions on the topic. However, it seems to me that if ever there was a case of libel it would be some shit-dick with a firearms blog straight up shit talking the credentials (in respect to the topic) of a lawyer trying to get donations for something.
>>23950415
Nah bro, if you get mad because he has toys you can't afford, it's just playing into his trap. Alex C. is like scrawny Dan Bilzerian with less money, a tiny house and no poker skills. Stick to your second point, him not discussing or posting any useful information ever.
Ian @ Forgotten Weapons has tons of cool shit I can actually never afford, but he's still a cool guy.
>>23950415
alex used to come into the tinychat too. he was one of the original guys actually. to be perfectly honest i got along with him well. he used to troll the fuck out of everyone because nothing got to him and that always made me lol internally.
>>23950457
i hope something comes from the libel as well.
>>23950460
THIS. he feeds off of it. i saw him do it in tinychat repeatedly. the only way to win is to convert your visage to my image
>>23950442
>Alex _did_ respond in user comments, below the lawyer's
Don't see anything. Alex replied to some other dude.
>>23950460
See the problem is a lot of people aren't jealous of him, or any MG owner. I got more then my fill of full auto in the Military, it just doesn't appeal to me, double so if I have to pay for the ammo. Never the less, just because I have no real interest beyond the passing in owning machine guns doesn't mean that the people in the market get to try and step on everyone elses cock without taking blowback.
>>23950454
>He did? Last I checked it was going on hour eight with no response
If you're waiting for some type of "direct response" from Alex to the lengthy Stephen S post -
you won't get it because comments on this blog article were shut down by TFB yesterday
>>23950472
>he used to troll the fuck out of everyone
Looks like he used TFB as forum, this time
>i hope something comes from the libel as well
+2
>>23950486
>Writer cooks up shitty anti-gun article
>Editors think this is a great idea to run
>Put it up
>Massive backlash because everyone knows exactly what the article is saying
>Better shut down comments but leave the article up, because clearly everyone else is in the wrong while our anti-gun cunt writer is correct
Fucking Gamergate levels of class right there.
>>23950478
>Don't see anything Alex replied to some other dude
And you won't (see a direct Alex-lawyer response) either
TFB shut down the comments to Alex' article
>>23950460
It seems so infuriatingly wasteful. Clearly you like guns, and you write for a large blog concerning them, so it's no stretch to imagine that you would like discussing guns with people.
But then that doesn't happen. That wondrous treasure trove of NFA goodness just gets displayed like so many hunting trophies. As a historian, this kind of bullshit drives me up the wall. If you have rare/interesting things that people would be interested to know more about, and you have an "occupation" (if blog writing can be called that) that would enable you to effectively and efficiently do this, you goddamned do it. Alex has not. This is like that bullshit where Arab tank officers prefer to keep all of the knowledge concerning T-72 maintenance to themselves and not pass it further down the chain of command, so as to be more valued.
>>23950396
Get it? ;)
>>23950508
What a bunch of fags. Alex must have told them he won't pay for their food and let them shoot his MG's any more if they didn't close the comments.
>>23950504
>Better shut down comments but leave the article up, because clearly everyone else is in the wrong while our anti-gun cunt writer is correct
Bingo
>Fucking Gamergate levels of class right there
not so much TFB as
probably more reflective of silver-spoon "I got mine" Alex
>>23950518
>Alex must have told them he won't pay for their food
>>23950504
how can you be such a cunt sometimes and not be cunty right now. stop that. it's confusing me.
>>23950515
>It seems so infuriatingly wasteful. Clearly you like guns, and you write for a large blog concerning them, so it's no stretch to imagine that you would like discussing guns with people.
not everyone is like you man, you nailed it on the head when you said he isn't into guns.
he's just a rich kid who is into expensive toys.
>>23950486
>comments on this blog article were shut down
The proper response for a publication, be it digital or paper, that has garnered a huge degree of backlash for one of its contributions is to delete said contribution and offer an apology. What TFB has done here is the single worst approach possible, going so far as to even leave the offending work up AND the wrathful commends intact for all to see. Then again, the people at TFB don't seem to know dick about handling this kind of shit...maybe it'll be a learning experience.
>>23950515
Yep. He's basically a douchebag dilettante. It is rather obvious his "occupation" and "business" are just fronts to make himself look respectable to the man holding the purse-strings so he can continue to dump money into his hobby.
>>23949019
>having te equivalent of a medium tier luxury car in gunz
>dat tiny room
>dat flooring (or lack therof)
>harbor freight sheet steel shop table in living space.
I'm pretty eaten up with guns, but jesus christ barely above poorfags need to get their shit together with money. spending 10k a year on firearms for a decade while only making 20k a year is fucking asinine.
>>23950546
I'm actually pretty level headed in person, and when I'm srsbzsns on the internet.
>>23950515
>That wondrous treasure trove of NFA goodness just gets displayed like so many hunting trophies. As a historian, this kind of bullshit drives me up the wall
Yeah well (history-degree and buff here) that's just too damn bad
I don't have a problem with big-NFA-collector people strutting their stuff to the dismay of us 'real historians' and lowly buffs-who-ain't-got-that-kind-of-green.
I do have a problem with a big-NFA-collector who uses a widely known USA firearm website to post what are essentially anti-gun-ownership and anti-2nd Amendment sentiments/opinions.
i.e. using that forum as soapbox, broadcast venue for his elitist "I've got mine" POV
>>23950546
>he's just a rich kid who is into expensive toys.
Clearly, but he's stated that he comes from a car-collecting family (can't you just -smell- the gated communities, polo shirts. and bottled-up loathing from that?). It'd be pretty easy for him to focus on cars, and sought-after cars generally don't have artificially inflated values that hinge on a federal act that could very well be overturned.
Late to the thread, but the first thing I'd do is buy two full-auto hammer packs for my FS2000 and PS90. Why 2? Why the fuck not? I'd then laugh at the retards who paid $1200 for a Gen I-II PS90 hammer pack or a Gen I FS2000 hammer pack.
I'd also pick up some DIA, some LL, and anything else required to make any of my guns (or guns I own) full-retard. Would they actually be in the rifles? Probably not, but I'd like to own them just in case.
>>23950572
>former fancy prep school fag
>no i am not rich, i was on scholarship and day school
Some ultra-rich people I knew in school refused to enter the same hobbies as their ultra-rich parents because they can never "beat" the parents until they died. So they went into other hobbies. It's probably a subtle expression of hatred for years of parental neglect.
>>23950548
>The proper response for a publication, be it digital or paper, that has garnered a huge degree of backlash for one of its contributions is to delete said contribution and offer an apology.
Absolutely
(We'll see what happens)
>What TFB has done here is the single worst approach possible, going so far as to even leave the offending work up AND the wrathful commends intact for all to see.
Indeed
>Then again, the people at TFB don't seem to know dick about handling this kind of shit...maybe it'll be a learning experience
Yeah
the guy who runs/started (not sure if he's even there anymore?) the place, always maintained that it was about
"firearms not politics"
Well this time he signed on an elitist wealthy NFA collector who strayed a bit too far over the anti-2nd line
>>23950570
you're still a cunt. you should be less of a cunt.
>>23950571
not only that, he's using it to control the thinking of the audience. defeatism is a very powerful seed to plant. it destroys support instantly.
>>23950572
cars cost way more to collect than guns. maintenance, cost of entry, etc. have you ever watched those dumb car auction shows? all original classics go for asinine sums of money.
>>23950606
>asinine sums of money.
A MAC-10, a shitty amalgamation of stamped metal and one of the most infamous examples of a bullet hose. goes for over $5k. That seems pretty damned asinine.
Cars may be a bit out of the league for someone with a BA in History (Alex, trust me on this, there's fuck-all you can do with that degree outside of teaching high school), but it seems odd for him to latch onto guns if he really didn't care about them. Or maybe he actually doesn't, hence the total absence of informative posts concerning his guns.
>>23950606
>defeatism is a very powerful seed to plant. it destroys support instantly
Exactly
Also reminded me of another tangential (RE: current MG market/$$ values post-1986) comment, posted on the blog article thread -
[quote]
--------
>nova3930 • 2 days ago
>I also don't doubt that your MGs have appreciated quickly,
>but in the end that appreciation is due to artificially created shortage.
>It's kinda like how the actual materials/labor value on heroin
>is a few dollars an ounce but because it's illegal and
>the supply somewhat limited the street value is
>hundreds of dollars an ounce....
>>23950635
>it seems odd for him to latch onto guns if he really didn't care about them.
>Or maybe he actually doesn't, hence the total absence of informative posts concerning his guns.
This is what irks me, a guy who clearly has little expertise on the _technical side of firearms_ (purportedly TFB's "not politics" mission),
who furthermore has demonstrated blatantly elitist views regarding basic 2nd Amendment rights
using TFB as his megaphone
at the least he should be fired on the spot (from TFB)
>>23948403
>http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/12/machinegun-ban-will-not-go-away/
Holy shit that damage control
Also remember to mail the editor and assistant editor about having an anti second amendment cunt writer on their staff. Their information is under the contacts section.
>>23950671
Thank you yes,
I am sending something along the same lines to them both right now
And so should anyone reading this
>>23950671
>>23950679
The guy is their "Senior Writer" and I literally graded undergrad papers over the past week that were composed better...I think there's more in it for the staff of TFB than a few angry e-mails can overcome. And I think we all saw how practically the entirety of the editorial staff jumped into the comments to defend the article and its writer.
>>23950671
I'd throw something in there about how it says right on the website banner "Firearms, not politics"
>>23950635
the total sum matters more though... yes 5k is a lot for a stamped bullet hose...
now go price a frame-off restored numbers matching charger or something... we're talkin like 300 thousand dollars for a car that was around $3000 back when it came out... that's just from googling real fast. i'm sure you could find better examples with a little effort
he just doesn't care about guns man. some people juggle geese.
>>23950671
dude turn on truetype geezus christ that looks like ass.
