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/k/. How long and how advanced will the U.S. Navy , Army, Air force, Marines be until it will reach into space with war ships, SF and other equipment?
>>22946874
Until the unit cost per pound of putting things in space decreases 500 fold.
Probably a hundred years or so
>>22946874
You think the United States as a country, let alone countries as a concept will last that long?
>>22947413
if FTL or at least cheap and reliable generation/sleeper ship travel becomes a thing. things are going to go full out libertarian/AnCap.
Dozens of independent colony worlds all wanting to live apart from everyone else.
>>22946922
>a hundred years or so
nigga what are you smoking
we don't even have a functioning moon base yet.
what makes you think we'll be having bang bang shooty wars in space by 2114?
>>22947413
The USA might not be in its current form, but the concept of a country is never going away.
>>22946874
Mostly small ship fights seeing as middle technology would be king of the universe. The only way to use large ships like that effectively is with a shield generator, probably magnetic type.
>>22947492
Missile"
>>22947463
The human race will have a base on mars before the moon. It'll most likely be for experiments and industrial purposes, I dont see much need for military as of yet.
Consider this - both China and the US shot down a satellite in space from a naval vessel - if nations started launching weaponized ships/objects into space, they could be taken down from Earth. It would ultimately prove to be a waste of money and highly impractical.
Won't happen. Resource wars and the resulting mass starvation will ensure we get to enjoy our time here on earth for a lot longer than expected.
>desperately hoping it doesn't end in nuclear fire so my grandchildren can wake up every day watching the sun rise over abandoned cities slowly turning a little greener every day
>>22947463
Because of the advancements in propulsion, metallurgy and electronics along with widespread private competition?
>>22947635
They shot down satellites in relatively low orbit.
>>22947635
What is a Kessler Event?
Shooting lots of things in orbit=Very Bad Thing.
>implying the USA won't be one big transgender gay orgy by 2020.
>>22946874
As soon as there is anything worth battling in space.
>>22947635
Did the Chinese do it from a naval vessel?
I thought their launch was land based
>>22947636
>implying we wont find alternatives to fossil fuels
I agree that there are going to be hardships in the future but to think that entire cities will be abandoned seems silly to me.
>>22947725
>implying its not already
>implying I'm not loving it
>>22950254
Nah, it was an old satellite of theirs they shot at from the sea.
>>22947450
We space hitler now
We could go into space and bring back solar energy
I do not believe Man Kind will advance to that level. I can't see that happening, the Earth or Man at least will be gone.
>>22947473
>but the concept of a country is never going away
As we know them, yes they probably will, sovereign, independent, unique land masses, with their own forms of government yeah nope.
>>22947463
>2114
>implying humanity will last this long
>>22950408
we made it through the cold war, we're not as stupid as you think
>>22947463
Why the fuck would anyone want a functioning moon base?
We'll have colonies on mars before we make build a moonbase.
>>22946920
So, until we get a space elevator made of carbon fiber.
Like 100 years TOPS.
>>22950411
Cold war: "do nothing and you win"
"global warming, do nothing and you lose, do the wrong thing and lose, Do something good but not good enough and lose slightly later"
>>22947636
>implying you will survive to repopulate
>implying your children will survive
>implying your grandchildren will survive
>>22950411
Shits going downhill fast though
Space combat ain't gonna happen like it does in movies.
Any space combat that does occur will probably happen over like, a minimum distance of 100 k's or so, with the only weapons employed being crosses between drones and missiles.
>>22947463
We'll have space elevators between 2050 and 2100
>air force
more like
>chair force
xDDDDDDD
There would need to be alien races that pose a threat or the ability to travel to inhabitable planets. Neither are live currently unless you count Mars, which is pointless.
Not too super advanced but thought it might fit into the thread
>>22951203
The latchkey to space exploration and exploitation. Make it modularly, assemble in zero-g.
That and VASMIR are gonna be the gamechangers.
>>22947635
That means you can shoot a missile from up there too, thousands of miles away
>>22951463
That is what I can see in twenty years for tier one and two units
>>22951463
>>22947463
The fuck are YOU smoking, anon?
Do you have any idea how fast research and technology has been advancing?
It'll be a fucking miracle if we're not killing each other in space in 100 years
>>22951623
This.
If we have the capibility to put a war "ship" into outerspace, pretty sure we have the capability to blow up a fucking missile (ie. THIS TECHNOLOGY ALREADY EXISTS)
>>22951942
Killing each other over resource rich asteroids and moons.
I will happen
>>22946874
Well, once the most powerful country can get into space and make it profitable.
Give about 10-20 years for business/R&D to make goodish spacecraft
then wait until another country can put a decent spacecraft into space (Given that they would likely steal the technology, it would be soon thereafter)
And then blam. You have need of military in outerspace, and necessity is the mother of invention
>>22951978
So are we going to see space 'ships', or will it be based on defensive orbitals?
I can't realistically get past the notion that non'orbital space is just too damn big to fight in effectively. Park some sensors and missiles around the important thing and be done with it.
>>22951958
just drop some tungsten rods at the opposing country with little to no effort :D
>>22951942
were still using B-52s too.
>>22952398
Rods from God are WMD-tier. Enjoy WW3.
>>22952407
what i find funny is that once you dominate air spa---- hmm--- Space space? it's so easy to just destroy things like dropping things with no explosives or propellant. I'm not laughing at the possibility of unnecessary collateral damage but to how easy it will be to dominate with no effort at all.
>>22946874
Wed first need to develop space travel far enough to make putting the military in space a logical thing.
Unless we meet aliens or begin terraforming other planets there isn't any reason to even consider it.
You might have a reason if we began mining resources from other plantes/bodies to protect interests but again the tech needs to be there first
>>22950554
A viable moonbase would be a good starting point and proof of concept. Plus it just makes sense to at least have a outpost on our closest Astral body
>>22952510
Makes sense if we can afford it.
Ive heard claims that moon-based solar power beamed back to earth via MASER could solve our energy problems permanently, but I'm not a physicist.
>>22950991
Sad but true...no dynamic x wing battles for us
have you guys even considered the fact by the time that space travel might become a norm there is a big issue to tackle- Space Debris, as of right now low earth orbit is already having issues now.
>>22952526
I've heard of that idea too.
Also if we can figure out a way to mine asteroids our resource problems would disappear
>>22952534
Space elevator will make it much easier to process that shit.
>>22952534
By 2018 they are supposed to be cleaning that shit up with the clean space one program.
>>22952547
i dont mean to be a downer but i do see us getting a space elevator won't be happening anytime soon. Space exploration or space traveling might become a nrom before space elevators
>>22952616
that;s something i haven't heard of yet and good on them, is it NASA or some private corporation?
>>22952619
I'll have to disagree based on the simple economics of shooting shit up into orbit compared to a space elevator which could be powered by solar collectors on its own orbital counterweight. Until we can move things into orbit cheaply, I don't see how interplanetary travel is going to take off.
>>22951463
>>22952534
With low cost fuel to orbit because of space elevators it will be easy to fit whipple shield to spacecraft
>>22950340
>AnCap/ Libertarian
>Fascist
U wot m8?
>>22946920
Space X ftw
>>22952650
that's why NASA started the space program of single stage to orbit , it is so much cheaper than pooling god knows how many resources needed to create a space elevator- maintenance cost and etc.... Single Stage To Orbit is much more economical
>>22952791
in the long run, if you factor in the cost to make a space elevator and maintain it versus making Single Stage Orbit Vehicles... you have to admit that the vehicles is far cheaper in short term and long run.
>i feel like i'm derailing this thread
>>22946920
ask india they do it for a friction of the price...
>>22950397
>sovereign, independent, unique land masses, with their own forms of government
just like the contemporary concept of a 'country,' which will incidentally become more entrenched over the next 100 as a reactionary measure to the smug internationalism espoused by quoted anon
>>22952791
No.
The only reason they chose SSTO was the fact no materials at the time were suitable for building a space elevator.
We know now though that very soon we will have carbon nanotubes long enough to make an elevator with.
>>22946874
here's a question, when constructing these beast i'm assuming there are different categories of ships. How will they build a Dreadnought Class Spaceship. Construct it on land then waste a bunch of fuel to get it up in the air? or build it in space with a some sort of space station? build it into pieces and have it assembled in space?? when thinking about this i can't imagine how much resources will be needed to just get this ship up in space. if we are not going with the space elevator because i think that's ridiculous.
>>22952886
i suppose you are right on that accord
>>22952916
okay nevermind disregard this question if Space elevators are a viable means of transportation.
>>22952916
Orbital Elevator bro.
We'll build them on the tops of'em
>>22952916
when you are dealing with civilizations capable of FTL flight. Well then energy and material costs just really don't matter. you build it in which ever manner gets it done in a balance of man hours and quality.
sub FTL civilization will build the big things in space from orbital dry docks. Using materials gathered from space.
>>22946874
We need to reverse engineer the big one from moon, cigar shaped ship and build our own
>>22952757
They are pretty authoritarian ideologies, despite what they claim.
>>22953081
Libertarians
>plotting to take over the world and leave you alone.
>>22952973
here's a question, is there a need to make such ridiculously big hunks of military ships? what's preventing someone making a rocket that has FTL capabilities that can that ship- literally from any angles because 3D battle will be a thing. Last time i check you can't something that has FTL until its on your face or has already hit you.
>>22953179
that can hit that ship- literally*
you can't scan something that has FTL*
>sorry so many typos because im getting ready to see my GF rushing texts
>>22951535
>VASMIR
yeah son.
>>22952916
cheaper to take the parts up to space and assemble it up there using robots
>>22946874
you guys think who ever controls the asteroid field controls the solar system? one could attack rockets on em and use them as planet killers
>>22953746
>>22953097
Unfortunately I won't be left alone, instead of the state's boot on my neck, I'll have unfettered capitalists' boots on my neck.
>>22952822
For small things, hell yeah, but weight makes it quickly become nonviable. >>22952973 This nigga right here has it.
>>22953829
i think your right, but moving asteroids would be slow as fuck and im sure governments would build early warning systems
>>22952916
Military vessels of any considerable size are going to need to be built in orbit, in a shipyard.
It's just not possible to get them into orbit otherwise, unless we manage a space elevator.
And to be honest, I'm not sure put into a realistic scope a space elevator is possible in years, rather then several decades
Don't die I'm still reading
>>22947505
Red faction when
>>22953179
So I'm assuming that large military ships will be sitting ducks due to FTL capabilities... I mean I can think of multiple ways of abusing that ability... FTL drive bys with smaller fighter ships or fast corvettes fighters with FTL, FTL rockets and etc
Just a question, could solar sailing be adequate for military use?
23rd century pirates?
>>22946874
>us military into space
the moment china decides it wasted enough money on hillbilly warmonger #1 the us is done
>>22952526
Fuck, that sounds ripe. But it makes too much sense to do it.
>>22952546
A lot of metal and more water (ice) on Earth on ONE good sized asteroid as some say.
That sounds like the future. Don't fuck it up SpaceX.
>>22959038
Could SpaceX be the backbone of the U.S. space program. I don't know why but i kinda feel sad that NASA can't do its mission than a private company even though its from the U.S.
Bump and keep bumping for interest
>>22946874
We already have a USAF space command, and you're goddamned retarded if you think we don't already have space forces. For fuck's sake Bush said we were building a moon base back in 2001.
>>22959764
Sources please?
>>22953941
people keep saying this. Yet evidence clearly shows that only a strong government with power over everything allows corporation abuse of the public to happen. Like say Obamacare.
>>22947636
>mass starvation
In africa and asia maybe. North America will be fine.
>>22959139
>I don't know why but i kinda feel sad that NASA can't do its mission than a private company even though its from the U.S.
What can SpaceX do that NASA can't ?
>>22959777
USAF space command
http://www.afspc.af.mil/
I have the original video on hard copy for the Bush announcement (2001 was forever ago, it's buried on youtube somewhere), but here's another news outlet discussing it. Ignore the alien shit.
>>22959860
sorry, here's link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GinPt0d-sTE
>>22952546
>Also if we can figure out a way to mine asteroids our resource problems would disappear
I don't think there are any fossil fuels on asteroids but there are a lot of asteroids containing large amounts of platinum. By getting platinum from asteroids the price would drop by a huge amount and could be used in everyday electronics.
>>22946874
>implying they arent already in cahoots with the mutliverses worth of alternate dimensions of alien races and otherly species and powers beyond our comprehension and ready to unleash their leviathan and utterly soul devastating sage-tech weaponry from their billions of hidden continents and portals scattered all over the earth's shrouded forgotten lands along with a coordnated strike from the stars with an infinite fleet of every kind of star ships, death stars, and solar devastators ship class imaginable along with their mind warped inflitrator and sleeper cell army buried beneath with technology a million times more advanced and powerful with troops and war machines a thousand times anything we've ever seen before in combination with the NWO's myriad alliance of other gargantuan secret superpowers.
Its already here anon, all you can do is pray our lord and liege will finally free us from his dark brothers ungodly legions along with aid from the few benevolent forces in the Star League.
>>22959860
The moon base went black ops afspc when concerns about national appearance became a concern. Remember how that "1 trillion+" went missing at the Pentagon in the early 2000s?
>>22958819
Man, I love solar sails.
>>22946874
People would have to develop practical tools for extra-terrestrial mining operations before space militaries would even be considered.
Give or take 100 years at the least. We will go extinct from Global Warming long before then.
>>22952886
We would still need to know how to mass produce an enormous amount of carbon nanotubes.
HOWEVER in the wonderful world of reality among the staff will mainly consist of anal regs, bureacratic nonsense, space rape and the politically correct bullshit all together.
In the event that we develop a space navy, who runs it? Would you consolidate the Air Force and Navy into one branch?
>>22958819
treasure planet now . time to have unprotected sex with cat bitches
>>22960101
Furfag pls
>>22959938
>We will go extinct from Global Warming long before then.
Nigga, climate change isn't an extinction event, it would just lead to either a major societal collapse, OR it result in massive die offs, but a smaller, more advanced, more efficient social structure [spoiler]probably National Socialism or something similar[/spoiler]
>>22960146
this is /k/ 85% is fur or close to it. dont kid your self.
>>22960165
It wasn't considered an extinction event, now they aren't entirely sure. That Methane release shit has got everyone's panties in a twist.
Either way, unless miraculous shit happens and we stabilize, we won't reach space. Even if it doesn't kill us, whatever system is adopted afterward would likely be authoritarian as fuck, and render the necessary advancements impossible anyway.
>>22960184
>this is /k/ 85% is fur or close to it.
[citation needed]
>>22959938
>Be Homo Sapient
>Go through Hundreds of climate changes throughout your history
>in the 2010's you go extinct from one minor climate change
>>22960242
We're humanity. It might not be soon, but eventually we always stabilize. Haven't you read those "humanity fuck yeah" threads?
>>22960279
Yes. Very similar in nature to America fuck yeah threads. Every great society in history has probably believed themselves invincible. Minor ones too. Didn't stop them from failing.
>>22950638
We've practically already won though, anon. We'll have the tech to colonize the rest of the solar system well before climate change renders the Earth uninhabitable.
>>22952638
If you're still in this thread: Switzerland is planning on sending up a satellite(s?) to start cleaning up LEO.
>>22960652
The swiss have a space program?
>>22960660
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Space_Office
>>22959845
Let us see, NASA isn't sending men back to the moon or other planets than just rovers. NASA isn't creating its own rockets or engines. NASA is getting neutered in funding with advanced research and development.
Captcha: yeautat smallness
>>22960753
>NASA isn't creating its own rockets or engines.
>What is Space Launch System
>>22960184
Last I checked, i aint, get your made up figures out of here, freak
drop asteroids on rival nations. complete deniability.
>>22960872
preech
