So, I love guns and all, but i'm feeling a more historic side of me comin up. So, I'm curious what is everyone's favorite historical armor. Looks wise I would say that I rather liket he look of maille under a tunic with a great helm, typical of what you would see in any movie with templars. But practically, I would much prefer the armor of the high Gothic period. Weapons wise, I like polearms such as billhooks, halberds, and spears. The Ahlspiess also seems interesting to me.
Gothic armour is also my favorite, but Second would be the coat pf plate and bascinet
behold! the oldest weapon in all mankind's history, tremble in its wake, fear its power, and beg for mercy before your life ends!
Why can't /k/ into medieval stuff? Medieval threads only get like 7 posts before dying.
pole weapons are for peasants
real knights use flanged maces
>>22947610
>flanged maces
>not glorious lance
>do you even into mounted combat bro?
>>22947488
'cos inevitably they get shitted up by pic related who either wax lyrical about how swords are better than guns because muh honor muh civilized combat or turn the thread into a 200-reply shitflinging contest between katana fans and broadsword fans
All that being said I loves me some good medieval weapons and I hope this thread goes well
>>22947369
Still brings plenty of fear, I'd much rather get shot then bludgeoned to death with a rock.
idk if you guys have ever been to the Metropolitan museum of art in New York City but it has a huge exhibit on medieval armor with tons of really cool stuff
I remember reading an article in the new york times a few years ago about the guy who started the exhibit in the late 1800's by donating his own vast collection of armor.
Heres a picture of him in Japan in the 1890's, behold the proto-weeb.
>>22947686
Back when Japan was cool
>posts late 15tth, arly 16th century Gothic armr
>wants to talk about "ANCINT" weapons and armor
topp kep old hap
There ain't nothin ancient aboutthat!
>>22947686
How good was Japanese armor anyway?
>>22947488
medieval weapons nerds and shootyguns just don't overlap that much. you will have more luck in th but half of them have cod syndrome were the let game systems dictate what a weapon is capable of.
lindybeige is a cool dude.
I am actually a nogunz from Germany with interests in both but laws aren't that great here. I think my grandmother still has a ww2 Beretta in a safe.
anyway earpieces are great.
Teutonic knights are balling and frog mouthed helps are styling on saracens
>>22947703
Japan wasalways good
>>22947712
>Japshit
>wood and leather
Wutchyu think?
>>22947712
wouldn't be able to hold a candle to western armor because the lack of quality iron in japan meant they had to resort to lacquered wood and animal leathers. (though that being said western armor was itself phased out for a reason)
>>22947761
>tumblr
now thats a real SJW
>hit refresh button for the millionth time
>no winged hussars
Do you faggots even remove kebab?
>>22947795
They have some pretty good weapon and armor pic
>>22947708
>>22947761
niggers, you ain't even close to as ancient as me,take a seat and watch grandad take care of this.
>>22947761
>painting your foot armor to look like a foot
did they seriously do this?
>>22947809
link?
>>22947610
>not reveling in the glory of the pole axe
>>22947837
I don't see why not as they had muscle armor .Ancient Greeks were pretty flamboyant they even painted their helmets and put designs on them and different colored plums.
>>22947847
Just go on tumblr and look up on the tag system whatever you want to see
https://www.tumblr.com/search/hoplite
>>22947807
Poland stronk
kurwa
was thinking about getting a set of Hussar wings as a tattoo actually
>>22947837
m8
>>22947877
>>22947906
ah yeah, forgot about that stuff, bet it was pretty cool when it was shiny and new
>>22947898
Please do not do this.
It's almost as bad as getting a service-specific tattoo before enlisting.
The only acceptable kind of tattoo is one that you need for shamanism.
>>22947807
>>22947926
You're damn it did
>>22947718
Reminder that spears were normally used, (not exclusively used), but normally used underarm, for several reasons.
>>22947946
>The only acceptable kind of tattoo is one that you need for shamanism.
alright man, didn't know there is such thing as an "acceptable" tattoo
>>22947946
>tattoos
>acceptable
>ever
Lol enjoy working minimum wage
>>22947982As far as I know, isn't overarm better for when fighting in close formations like Hoplites would? Something about not hitting the dude behind you in the gut.
I've been playing Dark Souls recently and it's rekindled my interest in medieval armor and weaponry. In particular, pic related is a beautiful set caught my eye.
I fucking swear, armor adorned with fur is the manliest goddamn thing imaginable. You see this in fiction enough, but anybody got some good real world examples of this?
>tfw manlet knight
>>22947982
I actually have reasons why thats not true for Greeks.
First the spear had a buttcap which was weighted and made it easy to hold overhand so you could hold it farther back and still aim well and thrust with power.Many people on youtube do not show an accurate weighted spear. While overhand you arm is protected except the hand, while underhand requires you to move your hips a little for some thrusts and expose a spot on your body. Also the aspis is too large to hold underhand correctly.
The hoplite aspis was a large shield covering everything from the neck to the greaves, however the feet could be open (yet some did have armor for it). From the side however if you can see a gap to spear the neck. If you are in a row and there is another row directly in front you would have trouble with the man directly in front yet to the right or left of him you could spear his neck. This could be done overhand well but underhand not so much as the spear angles downward near the feet and if you spear down and miss you are in deep shit
1/2
>>22948019
>tattoos are for poor people
ok Grandpa, back to the retirement home for you<3
>>22947946
>>22948002
>>22948019
>>22948096
Can we please not derail the thread?
>>22948055
2/2
The Greeks have depicted both for different reasons. For one on one an underhand might work for when the formation broke, yet during formation it works best as overhand.
The feet and eyes were the only areas exposed (the legs if they did not have greaves). Yet aiming downward is difficult in a Corinthian helmet. So it would be difficult to aim properly and not look down which would leave you able to be attacked when you don't expect it. Other helmets don't have this problem yet they had much more open faces and could be speared easier.
>>22948039
Yes. Read 'A Storm Of Spears' for an exhaustive treatment of the subject.
>>22948120
>For one on one an underhand might work for when the formation broke, yet during formation it works best as overhand.
His video on Greek vases showed it was the other way around. They drew formations with underarm, and 1v1 with overarm.
>>22948039
If you're so close to a guy that you need to half the length of your spear, then why not just pull out your sword?
Why fight with a stick that's 8 feet long if you're just gonna get up in the face of the person you're fighting anyway?
>be innabattle
>formations and fighting goes on all day
>mfw I really need to shit
oh well atleast I'm not the one who has to clean it
>>22948123
I don't know about how he said that hoplites could not hold the shield overhand for a large amount of time. They could rest it on the shield and the ranks could move back and such.
>>22948184
It is show on pottery in such grand ways to show the hoplites in their full glory to sell the piece. It makes no sense to open your shield like that and "lock" it with the opponent. Some pottery pieces show both actually it just depends on what you look at.
>>22948200
They had a long spear to use in formation to create a wall of bristling spears and move as a unit. Also not every hoplite had a sword. They didn't always go right up in the opponents face.
>>22947738
>>22947769
Please, for the love of /k/, be trolls and not actually this ignorant
8/10
>>22948184
>>22948238
please contribute your thoughts on the subject then
why would wood and leather be better than steel?
>>22946604
Not sure if you mean Medieval armor because that what you're posting isn't ancient, to answer your question, I fucking love all of it, but I'm particualarly fond of pic related, dunno why but I always found the mail, surcoat, and great helm on the french knight so fucking sexy. But plate, mail and really any other medieval armor I'm fond of
>>22947488
/k/ just can't into, most stick to firearms, it tends to be more of a /tg/ thing but every now and then we get some decent ones
>>22948249
>>22948184
This seems more realistic. Notice the hands how it is an underhand grip that can be used to the side of the shield or above.
>>22948287
Forgot image, fug
Dropping these kind of images
>>22947314
Samurai armor wasn't wood and leather. It DID have metal plates, just not as much as estern armors. The plates just arent really visible because like the armor in >>22948258 it was covered in leather.
>>22948335
>>22948336
Fuck, quoted the posts backwards
>>22948348
>>22948336
It was covered in lacquer. I guess that's why people think it's wood.
>>22948364
>>22948376
>>22948336
it was usually raw-hide but sometimes bronze or more rarely iron (never steel)
>>22948184
Also Greek vases show scaled helmets with scaled shields which can be attributed to be painted like that to match the armor and in reality not be taken literately as vases are meant to be art pieces to be sold not as history books
>>22948385
>>22947682
If you think about it, what is a bullet, really?
It's a chunk of earth being thrown at you really really hard
>>22948401
>>22946604
Just to say this is a great thread. I for one love middle age weaponry/armor/warfare. Pic related, something I would be carrying as extra protection.
>>22948414
>>22948433
>>22948401
I just noticed this mans heraldry has a cock on it....
>>22947488
because medieval times never happened
any artifacts/texts found were planted there by GOD to test our faith
>>22948123
fuck 300 was shit
>>22948444
>>22948207
I remember when I was a squire, cleaning out my knight's armor of puke softserve shit that was forced through his trousers
>>22948459
>>22948474
>>22948483
>>22948115
forgive me, I hate when people try to dictate what is right and what is wrong because of their own beliefs
PERTAINING TO THREAD
Winged Hussars will be the ones that take the sand lands away from the scum
>>22948506
>>22948506
Poland pls
>>22948528
I'm here to help.
>>22948543
Does anyone know how shields were made in medieval times? Like the kite shield and the latter heater shield? They never seems to get much attention in books.
>>22947610
>flanged mace
Enjoy being useless against anyone who isn't another armored knight with a flanged mace.
>>22948506
OCCUPATIONS NEVER WIN
Persia is now, and always will be, a total shithole useful for nothing more than tempering our warriors in the flames of war
That being said
Crusade when?
>>22948561
>>22948551
England pls go
>>22948551
>>22948562
Probably just painted wood with a metal rim if you're lucky.
Imagine how fashionable this guy must have been
>>22947736
>fighting in those sandals
>>22948579
>>22948577
m8 u take that back right now
>>22948577
>>22948567
Can't help ya, sorry, but http://youtu.be/vWZkitw1_Fw look at that, it's a decent documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqoh0okQ6Ho
highly recommend you watch this series if you haven't already
>>22948582
>niggas fo kneecaps yo
>>22948567
And, you know, any other person who gets hit with the fucking mace
Go back to working your father's fields, peasant
>>22948601
Forgot image fuck
>>22948597
>>22948591
>not fighting in these sandals
>>22948591
From what I've heard that's just like the "stereotypical" monk outfit.
>>22948040
Dark Souls armor ranges from almost practical to full retard. Mostly full retard, though.
>>22948619
>>22948620
>>22948645
>>22948640
And done
>>22948633
The first dark souls wasn't too bad with practicality, but the second went to shit, and in general, is much shitter than the first, for example, weeb knights exist now, thanks fromsoft
Only cost me about 50$ and 100 hours, worth every second.
>>22947718
Well, my only gripe about Lindybeige is that he sometimes gets stuff wrong. Scholagladiatoria has to correct him sometimes, but I like the both of them a lot. Lindybeige is the one who got me into historical accuracy in the first place with why katana a shit.
>>22948664
Damn nigga, dat's pretty good, now hit it with a sword and see how well it does
>>22948664
Get somebody to stab you while you're wearing it
>>22948659
>remove kebab:the siege
>>22948664
Beautiful, I'm not into periods with that but still nice
>>22948673
That's true. I think skall is not as good as either of them
>>22948690
>>22948690
That fucker with the mace is my hero, he's a pure badass through and through
>>22948678
I might cry
>>22948706
>>22948712
Truly one of the finest removers of them all.
>>22948704
Yeah, Skall does have some nice points about some things though. I like to consider him as a "lite" version of research on medieval arms and armor. He does practice HEMA, so he does know what he's talking about some of the time.
His Fantasy Weapons Scrutinized series has one on Skyrim weapons and why they're not shaped correctly. Given that, yea, they're games and whatnot and we should be using suspension of disbelief, some people can get spergy about it. Skall's not that spergy, but I like what he does to correct some of the misconceptions about weapons out there.
>>22948744
>>22948765
Yeah thats true. Ever heard of demomanchaos?
>>22948686
the thing about chainmail is that its very good at deflecting glancing blows but not heavy hits or piercing stabs
normally this would be fine in a fight because you're going to be moving around a lot and deflecting attacks, its only a problem if you get knocked off your balance or some fucker on a horse runs you through with his lance which would completely punch through your armor.
>>22948633
Give ONE example
>>22948782
I may or may not have. I'll look him up on the youtubes. Curious, but how deep is your knowledge of early-late medieval arms and armor and/or warfare?
>>22948789
Not him, but of what?
>>22948789
First result from google search of "dark souls armor"
>>22948775
what is this supposed to be, 80 years war?
>>22948574
>OCCUPATIONS NEVER WIN
Except, you know, all the ones that did
>>22948804
And if you enjoy looking silly
>>22948811
The armor of the high priest
See lots of crusaders in this thread. You would all be stopped by pic related.
>>22948821
BEHOLD
THE HORNED ANUSHELM
>>22948821
The Smelter Demon was a walking suit of armor
Did you even play the game?
>>22948803
I know little more than the average joe, much more into ancient Greece
>>22948391
>rarely
no
>>22948814
Battle of Rocroi
>>22948824
Mongols. The men who may have saved Christendom by fucking the large and powerful Muslim realms to the east.
Also, anyone know of a site I can upload my Osprey PDFs to to share with you all, my /k/nightbrothers?
>>22948391
as if it will ever be done ! pfft- in our times it might be most impractical to do so with the invent of firearms, however I've never shot therefore am curious as to the damage that could be done against steel plated Samurai Armour and even more curious to know how it would fare against swords arrows and spears.
>>22948824
>implying
>>22948824
Overlapping plates solve that problem outright
>>22948871
Pretty sure that pic is meant to represent the Turkshits that were fucking Christendom, not the Mongols that fucked the Turkshits that were fucking Christendom
>>22948336
>It DID have metal plates, just not as much as estern armors, in the form of laminar armor (metal strips/plates welded/riveted in an overlapping manner to form a big solid plate, like 1500's nip cuirasses
Actually, Japanese armor is the platey-est of Eastern Armor.
Continental East Asians preferred Chainmail and Lamellar due to horse archery and the very mobile nature of warfare in East Asia, with only bits of plate armor covering the chest/arms/legs
>>22948838
Yes, and he was how big exactly, like 5 times your size, and now this huge piece of armor is wearable? Even if it is a huge walking suit of armor it's still silly
>>22948543
>>22948577
Didn't have either of these before. THanks anon.
>>22948903
Ah, I always get those cultures messed up. From Khazars to Mongols, I can never distinguish. As you can tell, I'm not an expert on the Eastern stuff, as I see a recurve bow and instantly think HURR MONGULS.
>>22948678
I've tested it with cuts and stabs from a bowie knife, cuts left no mark, of the 5 stabs I made 3 managed to force open the rings, 1 got penetration into the leather I had under it.
>>22948686
Funnily enough one of my younger cousin tripped with scissors in his hand, stabbed me with them, tip touched my skin and hurt like a mother fucker but the rings kept it from drawing blood.
>>22948704
Thanks
>>22948915
why is he in the avatar state?
>>22948945
Damn fine job then
>>22948645
>that Hussite war wagon
Yes
>>22948944
Recurve bows are all over Asia m8.
Mongols were just one of the many that used it.
>>22948968
Woops, wrong image
>>22948978
Greeks used recurves too
>>22948945
What is it though? Riveted or butted? 4 in 1?
>>22948945
should have done 6 in 1 weave.
Also, the Osprey PDFs I promised
BEHOLD
http://www.mediafire.com/view/vjrik46khrk06wj/Osprey_-_WAR_096_-_Carolingian_Cavalryman_768-986.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/view/9bcyg2ccrw1cfrt/Osprey_-_WAR_005_-_Anglo-Saxon_Thegn_449-1066.pdf
http://www.mediafire.com/view/t938nnhcqjjh8fj/Osprey_-_MAA_085_-_Saxons,_Normans_And_Vikings.pdf
>>22948849
gets sauce from girl cartoons
>>22949007
Largely due to Persian and Scythian Influence.
Any recommended movies for Ancient Western Warfare that is not too hollywood-y? That would flare up my autism too much. It is all movies, so some form of slip up is understandable.
I can recommends a few Eastern ones.
War of the Arrows (Korean vs Manchu): Nice archery skirmishes.
Heaven And Earth AKA Ten To Chi (Japanese Sengoki Jidai): Nice formation battles.
Seven Samurai (Shame on you if you didn't watch this classic)
Musa the Warrior (Korean vs Mongols): Nice mix of melee and archery skirmishes.
I can only remember a few that is not too kungfu-ey flying all over the place Eastern movies. Those are it.
>>22949047
>>22948664
what'd you use for links and where'd you get said material?
Still needs an edge and the handle isn't done either but it's my baby. Not meant to be period specific or anything, I'm half Colombian and wanted something in the style of the 'latin' machete so I made it.
>>22949012
14ga galvinized steel, 5/16in rings butted 4-in-1
>>22949028
Fuuuuuuck that, this took long enough, but maybe in 10 years I'll want to make another one, I'll do 1/4 in rings and do 6 in 1 perhaps.
>>22949072
>>22949071
>not too kungfu-ey flying all over the place Eastern movies.
Not watching glorious Wuxia genre Eastern movies. SHAMFUR DISPRAY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po7cpiPWRzo
>Bodyslams a horse
>Takes on a whole army
>>22949091
>>22947708
Sexy lorica hamata
>>22948567
>Getting hit with a piece of metal at the end of a stick doesn't fuck your shit up unless you're wearing armor
Have fun with all those broken bones and internal bleeding, you mongoloid.
>>22949071
War of Arrows is Kung Fuey as fuck with all that Impossible Archery.
>>22949064
Well of course from influences yet they would have been used from centuries previous from the Mycenaeans and other already established civilizations
>>22949089
Those wooden handle scales look kind of uncomfortable. How are they when actually used and not just looked at by some guy on the internet who's never held it?
>>22948821
im not convinced thats not a pussy slit and a sphincter for a face
>>22949109
>>22948821
>midriff exposed
then what's the point
>>22949126
It's not as if though they had people do backflips and shoot three arrows at once.
>>22949052
>believes old memes about bamboo armor
>accuses others of getting sauce from mass-media garbage
Project much?
>>22949071
The original 300 Spartans movie from the 70s or 80s.
>>22949143
>>22949132
As I said, still needs an edge and the handle isn't finished.
As it is right now though, quite uncomfortable, easier to hold it perpendicular to how it's supposed to be actually.
>>22949109
>those bulls
keep posting man. I love these kinds of stuffs
Look at this flimsy bamboo armor.
Linothorax reinforced with bronze scales.
>>22949145
Don't ask me, Fromsoftware decided to shit themselves and pretty much do everything possible to make the game different from the first and in all the bad ways, the armor is one of them.
>>22949136
I'm pretty sure it's an anus
>>22949193
also seen on the sides
>>22949189
>not realizing this based off of european armor
>>22949189
>flimsy bamboo
> plate armor
pick one
>>22949209
>shifting goalposts to save face
>>22949220
>dat file name
>>22949218
WHOOSH
>>22949202
I read that linin had to be imported back then and it was expensive so a linothorax was rare
Leather more common
And front line soldiers had the best equipment
>>22949189
They had their own iron lamellar, laminar, etc but that's based off of European armor.
>>22948690
>Jelkala has been besieged by the Khergit Khanate
Macbeth had some semi realistic combat scene. However, it is only at the end. I would imagine Knights in armor would wail on one another in a similar fashion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr6VrmOQY1M
>>22949259
>
>>22949260
>Polanski
aaand immediately closed
>>22949131
Nah, Myceneans didn't have recurve bows.
And Myceneans suck at archery. Greece pretty much relied on Javelins and Slings for missile combat due to the melee-oriented nature of Warfare in the mountainous regions of Greece
>>22949247
Nigger it was imported steel from europe
>>22949256
Coarse linen would be shipped in to Athens which would be cheaper and not that difficult to get as the port Piraeus was close to Athens and since Athens economy was mainly from trading as the port was a major hub in the ancient time its not that difficult to see them getting linen. Also leather would be harder to come by as they did not have as many animals which supplied leather as they had mostly goats and sheep. Cattle was still present just less common but both could have been used.
>>22949295
They did rely mainly on those weapons yet the ancients did have archers they were just not main warriors of the day.
>>22949256
Linothorax could have just been made up of mainly hardened leather, but with a linen outer layer as to protect the wearer from getting burned on the leather while out campaigning in the hot Mediterranean climate.
A composite linothorax armor seems to be something that wouldn't have been feasible.
>>22949307
Not the one you are arguing with.
Sure they had bamboo armor for peasants. But the rich Samurais had better shit.
Oh come on, this picture takes like a second of google to find.
>>22949353
I'm not saying they didn't, but using armor based on european designs with imported european steel as a point is stupid. And I'm not the original anon he was arguing with, you're right, they had metal armors, not in the largest quantity and not in the same quality of europe but they still had them
Did any other cultures have arrow curtains ?
>>22949157
>ctrl+f, bamboo
>1 of 4
You're the first buddy
>>22949453
The Japanese sometimes wore silk capes that could stop arrows.
>>22949268
THE GODS WILL DECIDE YOUR FATE!!!!!!
>>22947708
My phrasing was a bit off, I'm really just talkin bout any armor before ballistics.
> tmw Greeks domesticated dolphins and rode them into war
>>22947807
OP Here. I am also a fan of the winged hussars.
>>22949453
>>22949522
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horo_%28cloak%29
>>22949606
cool beans man
>>22949599
They even have dolphin helmets
>>22948287
I'm generally talkin bout anything before ballistics. My wording is a bit off cause i haven't gotten a good amount of sleep in a while. But yes, mail, surcoat, and great helm is incredibly sexy
The mongols were pretty cool guys.
Does anyone else think the mongols were pretty cool guys?
>>22948364
OP Here, holy fuck you're awesome.
>>22949038
Holy shit. Thank you, based anon
>>22949599
>tfw hoplites extinguished the mongoloid centaur hoard.
>>22949668
>tfw ancient Greeks had trained birds to attack the eyes of their enemies
>>22949651
I heard Iran, especially East Iran, LOVES Mongols and thinks they are a-OK super duper!
East Ghouta ambush(Hezbollah vs Liwa al-Islam) not really related
Does this count?
>>22949789
And people say armor is hard to move in.
>>22949643
>>22949654
Ayy lmao, and I figured that was what you meant and I almost didn't save those images too
>>22949708
> tfw Ancient Greeks fought marine skellingtons that roamed the Aegean sea
>>22949843
>tfw the ancient Greeks battled in single combat with three legged chairs
>>22948597
Y E
O L D E
L O N D O N
>those god damn ancient Greeks and their motorcycles
So does anyone actually have any pre modern weapons and/or armor?
