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Well now that everyone is receiving Their 80% AKM Receivers from NE I think it is a good time for a gunsmithing general thread.
Post pics of your project, ask for help and build with us!
>>22550098
>That feel of not knowing where to start when you get a hunk of metal in the mail
I should have never bought an 80% lower
>>22550147
Holy fuck you actually bought one of those AR kits?! What did it cost?
My ak74 build on a nodak spud Ez-2 and a bulgarian kit. Then replaced the rear trunnion with a side folder. Then plum handguards to give it a late 80's / early 90's aks74 look
Just got my trigger guard riveting jig to finally finish it up
>look at me I can build a gun guise
>weeee I'm a gun smith now
Also a front sight staking tool for 1911s
Home made riveting jig for in the trunnions. Worked fine on my 12t press
>>22550098
What are those two metal pieces?
I've never into AK before
>>22551881
the rails that the bolt rides on.
12ton press in use
>>22550098
has yours already arrived?
>>22551837
A gunsmith is a person who repairs, modifies, designs, or builds guns.
Almost anyone can be a gunsmith in less than one minute.
>>22551952
Shit, I felt like the best goddamned gunsmith in the world after using some valve lapping compound, a brass screw, and a drill to buff out some nasty dings in the crown of my Steyr M95. Now instead of pizza pan groups, it shoots dinner plate groups!
>>22551974
Very nice. How is the bore?
>>22551931
I'm waiting for the NE 80% ar15 lower. I have a drill press with an x/y milling clamp but no press for ak building.
What are some good Polish kits?
I plan on making a 100% Polish AK47
>>22551984
It's in fair condition, dark with a light frosting, but strong rifling.
Here's what the crown looked like before (notice the particularly nasty ding):
>>22552022
And after:
Then I just touched up the outer rim of the muzzle to get rid of that pitting, and it looks good as new.
>>22552043
what size brass screw did you use? I just might do this to my mosin....
>>22551974
How do?
And I'm gonna do a kitchen build here in a month or so, anyone use the gear puller barrel install method before?
And where are ya'll getting your headspace gauges?
gonna make me a 7.62 imitation AKM-74, because I like the look of one and the round of the other.
>>22552062
>cant use 45deg gas block
well, there goes your lookalike, 90deg gas blocks look like shit.
>>22552055
1/4 inch machine screws, ones with the round head.
And lo and behold, here's the thread I found that taught me how to do this (coincidentally, the project gun on the thread is a Type 53):
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=117820
>>22552072
>90deg gas blocks look like shit.
you take that back! is superior communist angle.
If you buy an 80% AK lower and a parts kit how much would it cost to assemble one?
Do you still need a barrel on it or is it part of a kit?
>>22552093
You'd still need a barrel... unless it's included in the parts kit.
Come on now, son.
>>22552085
>is not original angle declared by based Kalash, himself, heretic....
>>22550147
What in the fuck?
>>22552103
I've never bought a parts kit before I wasn't sure if barrels were part of it or not.
I know AR parts kits only have the hardware needed to fill up a stripped lower and you still need to buy an entire upper receiver though.
What are some guns you can build from parts kits? I've been wanting to get into this type of thing for a while.
>>22552128
you can apparently build a sten
>>22552128
get a sten parts kit. gonna be the easiest kit ever.
>>22550147
can someone tell me what this is?
>>22551952
Except no
>>22552157
its a milling jig for AR lowers. From the looks of it, its for starting with a solid cube block of aluminum, not for milling out a 80%
>>22552128
You can build an MG42 or derivative, RPKs, AMD-65s, a fuckload of AKs, a STEN, Czech SA. 26, PPS-43, Uzis, etc.
In fact, here you go:
https://www.apexgunparts.com/index.php/cPath/51
>>22552128
Check Centerfire
They have a bunch of different ones
You could do an FAL as well
>>22552167
oh that makes sense. thank you
How would I build one of these?
You start with a FAL lower and an SKS upper, but how do you make them fit together, and make AK mags fit in?
Why don't they make bolt together AR lower kits?
>>22552290
OH GOD WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT.
KILL IT BEFORE IT LAYS EGGS.
How bad of an idea is carving a wooden AR?
How many parts could be made of wood? I want to make an AR as wooden as possible for novelty.
>>22552330
It's already spreading.
>>22552347
I dunno, how about we try it and find out!
Don't forget to post pictures with your one good eye.
>>22552330
>implying it isn't bueatiful
>>22552312
oh shit, is that what that is in the other pic?
>SHIEEEEEEEET!
>>22552290
also, is that even considered a firearm by the ATF????
>>22552290
It's..... it's strangely beautiful
>>22552375
It depends, is the upper receiver of an SKS considered the firearm part?
Is the the lower receiver of the FAL considered the firearm part?
>>22552379
It's truly art
>>22552393
What the fuck is it called? Maybe we can all go to the internet and look for guides and then report back with findings.
>>22552393
Christ almighty what an abomination of God and science.
>>22552420
With all these pictures clearly several people have made them, so it is a thing.
>>22552446
Where would you even get an SKS parts kit to do this with through the mail? Or do you butcher an SKS to make it?
>>22552171
I got several Czech kits when they were $40. Also got one of those Madsen kits and got a MG53 when they were on sale.
The thing with Apex: if you see it, you better buy it because it will eventually be gone.
Like earlier this year or maybe last year they had original M16 stripped uppers. $75. They all gone and I only got two. Wish I had bought more.
>>22552473
As luck would have it, I live not too far away from their warehouse. Order online, pick up local. Feelsgoodmang. Especially when sales are going.
>>22551837
Fannyflustered? Its okay to admit when others are more mechanically inclined
I want to make something like this, maybe a bit less janky looking, but it still looks fun.
>>22552530
Enjoy your right hand while you still can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15aD42GApNQ
>>22550098
Someone should build a Groza out of this.
>>22552393
I don't know how to feel about this...
>>22552290
>>22552393
>>22552416
we MGS5 now
>>22552008
Is this actually coming? NE 80 ar lowers?
>>22552594
even if it was, I wouldnt buy a bottom of the barrel lower being pawned off by some hungry skellington in his moms garage.
>>22552530
I want one to use as a side arm after I make one of these
Would you guys recommend Flandres videos for an intro on how to build an AK platform from an 80% NE lower
>>22552632
Flandres should make a new video for that
>>22552613
Well anything is better than the shit tier polymer one I've got on my ar right now
I don't even know if its legal
>>22552673
>not knowing Stag lowers are cheaper than shit, and actually worth a shit, unlike PSA potmetal trashtier bullshit.
>implying NE would be better than PSA trash.
Where can I get some retro AR style parts
>>22552723
I get being picky on a barrel or snobby about big, but a lower? Fuck off
>>22552723
>implying I want a lower without /k/ Maymays engraved on it
>>22552548
>Spiked ammunition
>Having anything to do with build quality
>>22552157
Lurk more, tripfag.
>>22552766
> bcg
Fuckin autocorrect
>>22552290
>>22552366
>>22552393
>>22552416
>>22552446
What the fuck is even this.
Seriously, this looks like alot of fun. It has a unique charm, and I feel like I need one now.
>>22552746
http://www.retroblackrifle.com/
http://www.nodakspud.com/AR%20Lowers.htm
http://shop.ar15sport.ihoststores.com/category_v3.aspx?categoryID=91
>>22552778
k thx
>>22552746
nodakspud for the lower and upper.
>>22552795
Diabetes Jim, ladies and gentlemen.
>>22552093
us made kit comes with barrel and costs 300. it's already 922 compliant, so you wouldn't need other parts. you'd come in under 400 not counting any tooling which could cost you anywhere from $20 to several thousand depending on what you already have and exactly how half-assed you want to do it.
foreign kits will usually cost more and you'll need to come up with a barrel.
>>22552393
upper of the sks is lower of the fal isn't.
>>22552160
Except yes
>>22552157
Its a screw together AR15 lower that was actively sold in the late 90's when the first ban rolled around.
The ATF shut them down after selling it for years via BBS/Moneyorder.
No milling was required. Just screw the plates together and use an LPK
>>22552167
But that's wrong.
Fuck these dimples man, these are a pain to drill.
>>22554423
No you faggot, what the hell are you doing? have you already drilled them out?
>>22554481
Why?
>>22554517
Drilling out the dimples is as good as destroying them, figure out a way to remove the barrel without destroying the parts or find someone who can. Have you already drilled them?
The whole point of having an Izhmash 1988 kit is so you can have an Izhmash 1988 AK-74. If you're going to destroy the parts that make the kit then you should have just gotten a cheap Bulgarian kit.
>>22554548
All the people I have asked told me to drill them out, then drill pin holes, then fill the holes. I stopped, I didn't even get one hole drilled. My concern is that those dimples will gall the fuck out of the new barrel.
>>22554598
Hold on, I think I can find you a link with a guide or a person who can do this.
What is the best quality parts kit currently available for an AK 47? I have ONE actual legit lower and figured I'd save it until I'd gotten good at the build process.
My last two turned out perfect so I think I'm ready.
>>22554631
Sweet.
Pic related, not the first time I felt like an idiot today, I was flipping out until I realized the latch was backwards.
>>22554423
Destroying Barrels with Autism
>>22554722
Alright, I'm pretty sure this guy
http://pieceofhistoryfirearms.com/
Is capable of getting the barrel components off without harming the original dimples and can populate a barrel with them intact. When I get my 87 kit that's what I'm going to have done.
>>22554598
I immediately drilled them out and did a real "front end conversion" and "trigger relocation" on mine then sold that shitty overpriced communist "sporter" rifle for $100.00 more than I paid for it so I lost money if I count my time. Worst AK I have owned since the 1980s (ever). I still have 2 Romanian, 1 Serbian and 1 Chinese AK all better than that fucking dimpled Saiga. Now, that said, some fuck at he range sold me that before the great Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 was a thing, but Leeland Yee was swearing it was "the end of Russian AKs". I hate that guy to this day. This year they had real Saigas without dimples and not requiring drilling dimples to install correct hand guard or moving the fucking trigger guard.
>>22554874
Ah okay yeah, I'm a member on akfiles so I see their stuff advertised on occasion. I was heavily considering getting my barrel populated by a pro, but then I got the wild idea of 'oh I can do it myself' well I appreciate you confirming that thought for me.
>>22554990
Yep I remember doing that with a saiga, minus selling it, what was wrong with yours?
>>22554990
Saiga barrel components are next to worthless. They have no lugs or threads. There's no reason to not destroy the barrel components to remove them and replace them with more appropriate parts.
I had no trouble removing the dimpled FSB and the dimpled+pinned GB from my Saiga to do the front end conversion and I had no fucking clue what I was doing.
My Saiga is still the highest quality AK I've owned and one of the highest quality I've shot save for a couple SGL's.
>>22554994
I would strongly encourage you to get a professional to do it. You've already paid a premium for a Russian kit, hell it looks like you even managed to track down a sidefolding assembly for it, so there's no reason to fuck up the second most defining factor in a late 80's 74 unless you really think you can weld those dimples back up to look original. Personally I will be trying my damndest to keep the original dimples intact, short of that I will contract a highly talented welder like PoHF, RestoreIt or Turbothis to falsify the dimples if all else fails.
Pic tangentially related
>>22555156
Those dimples are drilled, but only because these barrel components came with various takeoff parts from overseas and I wasn't in charge of the demill.
>>22550098
Does ANYONE in /k/ know how to make cartridge casings and primer?
Could you build a RPK off of this receiver or is that just stupid as hell?
>>22552621
Nigga, you gonna go full waaagh
>>22555266
All RPKs have bulged trunnions and are 1.6 mm I believe.
>>22555266
This. Looking into getting an Ural for my next motorcycle, want to mount some good slavshit.
>>22555051
Well it was mainly not as well built as advertised, or as any of my other AKs at the time.
Lame fucking hand guard held on by a single screw indicative of entire build before conversion.
Pic related.
Requesting CNC ready CAD files for AR-15 bolt and bolt carrier assembly.
How hard would it be to rig up my own TP-82?
Maybe make an American copy of it, with two 32 gauge barrels and a 5.56mm barrels instead of two 12.5×70mm and a 5.45mm
Would I need to register it as an SBR/SBS if I wanted to use the machete stock?
There's a yugo kit for sale at Apex for $320, are yugos any good or should I stick to the Hungarian kit? Also is it possible to turn the folding stock to a fixed one?
I thought AK 80 percenters could come pre bent since you have to weld or rivet the rails on.
>>22555557
You thought right.
>>22554685
russian are going to be the most correct. but they are exceedingly rare and priced accordingly. after them would be east german, bulgarian, and egyptian, in roughly that order. the differences between them are negligible and arguable.
>>22552805
Nodak's been backlogged for over a year.
>>22555549
Zastava components are great but the bulged trunnion might be an issue with the NE lower. In fact the entire rifle is basically built to a different spec. might be best off with Hungarian.
>>22555557
it's more the drilling
>>22555512
No plans because of fears of american stealing Soviet peasant/spacemagic but from th looks of it the bottom rifle hammer is cocked like any single shot shotgun and the shotgun parts are external hammer operated.
It'll definitely require machining and welding but I'd imagine any gunsmith worth their salty gunz would be able to whip up one, for a price.
>>22555192
The only reason why I tried to do it myself is because I can weld, although I'm not a professional I thought it was going to be a simple job, but you are right I shelled out for a russian kit, so I might as well get someone who is familiar with this than I am. So are you building a ak74m? I was considering cannibalizing a saiga and another rguns kit to make one but that whole sanctions thing hit...
>>22555397
If done right saiga conversions make excellent rifles. Now don't take that as an insult, you probably got a lemon, it happens.
>>22555876
I'm gonna have someone modify an SGL with those parts, gonna go the whole 9 yards. Folding stock, PG reinforcement plate, selector markings, Y stamp and the adjacent vertical stamp, trigger hump addition, etc. Faux dimples. One 74M and one other unspecified 100 series depending on the parts I can collect but probably a 104.
>>22555156
With that fsb you are going to have to do what I was doing, drill pin holes and weld the dimple holes, grind flush, then get a 1/8 ball head an recreate the dimples.
>>22555999
Just wait till you drill that PG reinforcement plate. .. that mother fucker. I do have a sgl31-84 so I was thinking I could engrave the selector marks, add that pg plate and fake dimples, but what about the original import marks and all that? Even the front trunnion on the sgl doesn't have a izzy stampm
>>22555999
Alternatively, you can get a sgl, demill it, get a russian blank from recreator blanks and then you have all the correct marks for the reciever minus the izzy triangle on the trunnion.
I'll take an AR lower with murder cube on it, but not an AK. Looks like a nightmare for 80%.
>>22556272
That would probably be the heat treating, some sanding or painting will bring it to full kebab removing glory.
>tfw classic are selling AK63ds for a fucking song
>tfw you hate how almost everything looks on it
>tfw you are combating your inner jew over buying it
I know about function over form but god, did they have to make it look so pig disgusting?
https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/products_id/4509
>>22553784
So which part of that was considered the firearm?
>>22556475
The holes? I dunno.
>>22556475
The atf raided the company that made it and took all of the parts and tooling. It was very similar to the EPArmory polymer 80% lower raid.
>>22556572
No I understand that. What I am asking is what piece of metal did they determine was the actual firearm. With the EPArmory they said that they made a normal poly lower then filled in the hole later. What was the ATF's excuse for shutting this place down?
>>22556610
They don't want us to have fun.
>>22556610
There was no real "machining" needed to finish the lower. The atf considers the trigger pocket being filled in the difference between a lump of aluminum and a real firearm.
We are lucky to even have that considering how hardassed the ATF was about what was a machine gun and what wasn't back in the late 80's.
>>22556160
>>22556084
I won't be doing it myself, I'm gonna hunt down an SGL and send it with all the parts to (probably) PoHF. It's just one of my many pending project guns I've got going right now. I'm adequate with tools but I know I don't have the finesse to do some of my kits justice and I don't even own a tig.
Also, I originally thought you were going to drill the dimples out and then pin the drilled-out barrel components onto your rifle, no welding. Which would look like shit. If you really think you can recreate the dimples accurately then sure, go for it. I would do the rear sight block and gas block first and leave the FSB intact as a reference.
>>22556671
Ok that makes sense then. Crazy what people get away with (or try too), in order to get around gun laws. Human ingenuity at its best.
>>22556724
The sad thing was that was the first time something like that happened.
The ATF has the power to set the precedent with these so called "determination letters" Sometimes they even conflict with each other.
If they want to take you or your company down they can simply make up another precedent via a determination letter and fuck you over.
This is why we need to be right at the limit of the law at all times. No matter how bad it seems.
>>22556671
>The atf considers the trigger pocket being filled in the difference between a lump of aluminum and a real firearm.
Then why do we still need to drill holes? Why not make 98% lowers?
>>22556808
The ENTIRE trigger pocket needs to be solid
I think the words they used are "no able to install a trigger package or pins"
>>22556808
Just found a determination letter that explains it better than I just did.
>>22552347
plastic ARs exist. Use a very hard wood. In fact, Lignum vitae would be perfect for this, seeing as it's incredibly bullshittingly dense and heavy and self lubricating.
>>22556912
The funny thing is that pre-2010 80% could have the selector hole already drilled. The atf changed the precedent and now we are forced to drill them.
>>22555486
plz halp
>>22552632
>>22552665
I've been planning on making a video on building from an 80% shell. I want to try and do a budget build video, as I know most of you don't have too much money lying around for tooling. I have just been trying to come up with the best tools to do it with that don't break the bank. I'll probably do another using all the expensive tooling at some point as well
>>22555156
>>22555192
Where did you get these parts Chimps? I need them
I desperately need them.
>>22557869
One of them was from a months old arfcom ad.. it was $300 and came with all the correct parts. I sent the guy a message expecting it to be sold, but he still had it. He was an asshole, but even the stock had the mil-spec hinge and original rivets. It was a great buy.
All the other parts in that picture came from the same Gunbroker auction. It was advertised as an AK-103 parts kit and I had to fight all the way to I think about $600 or more for them. I wanted it for the 74M brake and the stock assembly. The buttstock ended up not being the mil-spec hinge and the button was the old version. I have replacements for both of those on the way, should be here tomorrow. That was actually only the second 74M brake I've ever seen for sale.
I also saw another mil-spec 5.5mm trunnion on gunbroker, but it was with a folding stock assembly for a Saiga-12, so the only part that would be good for the rifle would be the trunnion and the stock latch button, for $400. Had to pass on that one, but I was sorely tempted.
Saw all of that in the same month. Not sure why so many surfaced at once like that.
Still looking for a Russian combo FSGB.
>>22557869
Also, would $1500 be a good price for an '86 kit with an original, factory 5.45mm Bulgarian Krinkov barrel? Don't you have a Bulgarian Krink barrel in yours? I figure that's about as good as I could possibly get, but $1500 is a lot of money for parts, even considering how nice of a kit it is.
>>22558455
>>22558555
$1500 for a Tula kit with an original bulgarian barrel? That's about average, probably low average I'd say in today's dry market.
I built mine several years ago, I paid $1300 total I believe (including stamp).
But goddamn it I've been piecing out an AK-74M build for months now, I have recently sourced out a pulled SGL front sight block and gas block, I have the 5.5mm trunnion and correct 74m stock, smooth dust cover, clover leaf trigger guard and magazine release. I've also been working on an AK-101 clone which I needed the correct FSB and gas block for.
My only problem is the 74m long collar muzzle break is damn impossible to find. The guys over at ak-013.com are making another run of very close identical clones soon, I'm waiting for them to finish their run to get them and I suppose that will be good enough for now. Some guy on the AKfiles sold an original 74M break last december and i missed it by an hour. So mad about that.
Also,
RRC firearms had the correct, current production, 74M izhmash imported 5.5mm stock and hardware/trunnion set for $268. I bought two sets for my builds. They've had them listed for months, but sold out pretty soon after the russian sanctions. I was glad i bought them when I could but I wish I could have grabbed another set just in case.
Don't think they will get any more.
http://www.rrcfirearms.com/pd-russian-polymer-side-folder.cfm
>>22558758
>ak-013.com
I mean ak-103.com
>>22558758
I might end up springing for the Tula kit, but I'm also about to put in for a massive order of AK-103 mags so I'm not too sure. My 74M brake isn't actually chrome lined, forgot to mention that. Sucks. I was actually planning to contact Chris Butler of ak-103.com and see if he can add the chrome lining without disturbing the original paint finish. My guess is no, but it's worth a shot.
I was initially turned off by those stocks because they use the civilian pin/stock/trunnion, which I know is like autism off the charts. Now that direct imports from Izhmash are banned I know that even these civilian assemblies are likely to get scarce quick. I might end up getting a couple of those as well because I may one day intend to expand to a full century series collection.
I just know that five years from now those assemblies will be $500+ each..
>>22559050
they are all manufactured on the same tooling, and to the same specs. sure a couple things might be different but it's not noticeable once the rifle is assembled.
>>22559050
>>22559219
for example, the lightning cut on the export 5.5mm trunnion. once you rivet that together, it's impossible to see. The pin is going to be hidden by the trunnion. To my knowledge, there isn't anything different from the 100 series stock stock and the military 74M stock.
The export model button can be countersunk pretty easily to mimic a 74M button.
One thing is for certain though. They are much better than using a 4.5mm trunnion with an arsenal made poly stock.
On a side note, it appears that some of the export AK-74M rifles with the 5.5mm side folding triangle stocks found their way to Ukraine....
>>22559219
This I know, I just toss around the words civilian and military because it's easier than saying "the ones with the cuts" and "the ones without the cuts". For all intensive porpoises they will work the same.
I acknowledge this as severe gun autism and I have no good justification for it. Especially for the trunnions, which you are right, the only way you can see the lightening cut on the trunnion, once installed, is either by completely removing the stock or by looking from the inside of the gun.
>>22559322
Looks like a 74M brake for sure on that one. And the FSB is definitely the 74M version. But plum furniture, and a triangle folder. Izhmash confuses me with their strange export semi-autos.
So question, could I do an AK build in my kitchen with $1100 (For tools/jigs only, not counting kit price, barrel, etc)
>>22559460
It has the 74M FSB, 74M gas block, and the 74 Rear sight block (you can tell by the gas tube lever on the RSB).
When you refer to civilian model, the correct term would be export model, as the parts and guns made with these parts are made for export (to other militaries, counties, and civilians)
For example, only 30% of the parts and rifles that SAIGA exported were to the U.S. Most of those rifles were manufactured in different configurations for different countries. One of those export configurations was a side folding 5.5mm triangle stock rifle. I've seen a Saiga russian catalog fo with them in it.
For example, 5.5mm triangle stocks have been imported even here in the U.S. for some time
http://www.rrcfirearms.com/pd-russian-metal-side-folder.cfm
There are some pictures of Ukranian service men with 74M rifles, which isn't very common as ukraine is awash with cold war surplus aks-74 rifles.
From what I understand, Ukraine did import some 74M rifle,
>pic related
and it wouldn't surprise me if they imported some of the export model 74m rifles with triangle stocks. Someone probably just switched out the furniture on that rifle. It also looks as if the dust cover was also switched. but everything else on that rifle is current production.
>>22559705
>for example
I really mean "for instance"
>>22559705
here it is
http://www.nobninsk.ru/shop/nareznoe-oruzhie/samozarjadnye-karabiny/saiga-mk-ispolnenie-03-s-dul-torm.html
>>22559783
and i copied the wrong link
>>22559322
Also, if you email and ask, Russiansurplus may still have some of the newer, paler versions of the latch buttons for sale. I think I got the last one that was marked "in stock" but it seemed to me like he had more than that when I emailed him asking if he had the right kind.
From what I can tell, the old style of button with the larger hole isn't necessarily inappropriate for a 74M or century series build. I have seen pictures of a 103 with what appears to be the early style latch button. There are three variations I've seen in total, the old style with the large hole, the newer, paler version with a small hole, and the newest version that has the countersunk small hole. I just wanted the newest version for mine.
>>22559705
>export model
That's definitely more appropriate, I'll try and use that in the future.
>and the 74 Rear sight block (you can tell by the gas tube lever on the RSB).
Wow, good eye, totally forgot to look for that.
>>22559825
one thing to note about russian firearms and even russian manufacturing is that nothing is really "Standard". While the newest of the new rifles might be built pretty much with the same parts and techniques, there is still still so much old stock that many times they mix in what they have available.
literally.
you can get away with so much shit when building an AK-74M clone.
You can see this with saigas, for example. Some of them are manufactured with pinned barrel components while others are manufactured with the newer dimpled method.
But you can even see that on military issue rifles.
For example, here are clearly russian soldiers and yet the barrel components are clearly pre-m, yet the rifle is clearly an M series.
and the components aren't even dimpled but instead pinned in place.
So I wouldn't worry too much about it
>>22559956
Fuck wrong pic, i need to stop drinking
>>22559970
here's another
>>22559978
in that last pic you can also clearly make out the pre-m RSB
>>22559978
>>22559970
No kidding, those are definitely dimple-less 74M's. What's even funnier is that in >>22559978 he has no barrel dimples, the old style gas tube lever, but the newer style recoil spring guide rod which is a pretty recent development I believe.
>>22560010
>recoil spring guide rod
glawks on the brain
3AM, time to call it quits
>>22560010
yup, also, look back at post >>22559705
The 74M on the right.
you can clearly see the 74m rear sight block... but that front sight block is a pre-m block.
>>22560028
I know the feel.
While I am trying to make my 74M as accurate as possible, I don't mind bending a detail or two.
I mean, the real thing many times is missing those details themselves.
>>22559322
>You will never go to Ukraine and broker a large buy of ak parts.
>>22557102
That would make things even easier.
>>22564202
The holes aren't exactly the tedious part, though.
>>22559575
granted, im not talking from experience, but tothtools.com has a series of tools designed to build an ak in your kitchen, i believe 1100 would cover all of their parts and then some.
>>22555192
Got more parts
This is a real 74M takeoff furniture set. Got this as a replacement for one of my export version stocks, which is now for sale if anybody wants it.
Also the countersunk stock latch button I needed.
>>22559575
Absolutely.
>>22564486 will probably be your best bet.
>>22564765
that was fast. also, other than the izhmash export symbol on the export model, what differences are there between the export stock version and the actual M version?
have any pictures showing the difference?
It looks like earlier production 74M stocks had a cutout on the bottom like the export model versions, where as a lot i see that look like newer production models don't have the cutout.
Also, here's another example of an AK-74M with a pre-m barrel components and a short collar break
>>22564934
another early 74M with the cutout on the back of the stock
>>22564765
The stock is a new variant that I wasn't aware of. The hinge is screwed on instead of spot welded on. I assume this version of the 74M buttstock came after the first generation stocks with no hole for the buttstock cleaning kit.
I'm starting to zero in on the mold numbers, I think they're something along the lines of:
1- usually export version
2- screwed on hinge, has cutout for buttstock cleaning kit
3- welded on hinge, has cutout for buttstock cleaning kit
5- slotted version, both export and military issue (current production)
?- earliest version with no buttstock cleaning kit hole
>>22564963
>>22564934
One thing I'm almost sure of is that the slotted buttstocks (mold 5) weren't introduced until around 2004. Those stocks are likely replacements.
Here's the difference between the export version and the military issue. The cutout is to allow for the safety device, same as the export pin and trunnion.
I originally thought that the Izhmash logo was a dead giveaway that it was the version with the cutout on the hinge, until I acquired a version with the Izhmash logo and the military issue hinge.
>>22565016
I still assume that the Izhmash logo on the stock does imply that it was made for export (as with most things Izhmash makes) but it does not necessarily indicate that it has the hinge with the cutout. This could be the case with military export models, for example the Venezuelan AK-103's, which were made for export but not for civilians.
>>22565016
>>22565080
hmm interesting, however, I'm referring to the slot cut on the bottom of the stock, not the slots cut in the hinge. I've only gotten my hands on export model stocks, but from pictures, it seems that a large majority of early 74m rifles have a hole cut on the bottom of the stock. if it is a new feature, perhaps a lot of early production 74m rifles had to get replacement stocks due to damage? (dumb soldiers love to use buttstocks to for every hammering task)
as some old new stock early production 74,M rifles that haven't seen much service appear to lack the cutout on the stock
>>22565470
*new old stock
>>22564765
Same dude with the 88 izzzy,
Did you happen to get it from a guy named hugo from poland? That's where I've got all my russian parts sans the Rguns stuff.
>>22565541
Not these in particular but I do know Hugo.
>>22565470
That's what I was talking about, the slots for the recoil boot. It's a fairly recent addition. The reason why you see so many early 74M's with the slot for the recoil boot now is probably because they are older rifles with worn out stocks that had the stocks recently replaced.
Hence this takeoff set I now have. If you see an AK-74M with the serial number 8284165 it probably now has a buttstock with the slot for the recoil boot.
In fact, the fact that my stock had the S/N of the parent rifle scrawled onto it is a very useful tool for estimating the age of the rifle that this stock was originally issued to. Notice that it's just a 7 digit S/N without the date code included and it follows fairly closely after pic related. This stock probably came off a '92 or a '93 74M. Neat.
>>22565646
Okay, because I was about to ask him why he wasn't hooking up a fellow pollack. Anyways that stock set has alot of character, I'm half temted to give you an offer for it but I already have a 74m set. You want something for the 74m compensator?
>>22565762
https://www.russiansurplus.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=AK-black-set-to
Alex still has three of these sets left if you want one. I was going to buy one of the super early versions without the hole for the cleaning kit, but those sold out.
Sorry, but the only thing I would trade for my 74M brake is an AK-103 brake.
Have you gotten anything good from Hugo?
>>22565844
A zig zag smooth collar brake is the latest thing, I have 74m furniture all ready, but yours really stands out to me, it's the wear and dirt.
>>22565646
nice, ok learned something about the 74m stocks today, an area I wasn't as well versed in vs. the other parts and manufacture of the rifles.
>>22565844
>but the only thing I would trade for my 74M brake is an AK-103 brake
I actually recently sourced one out and I have it coming in the mail, I'd do a trade
>>22566005
it's also an original russian ak-103 break
>>22566005
>>22566022
Fugg, send me an email and we might be able to work something out.
I'm not 100% sure I could give up my 74M brake, but if the brake you've got coming checks out I might have to.
[email protected]
>>22566088
Also fuck you moot for taking away the email field
>>22566088
>>22566103
cool, sent you an email
So I got a used DD quadrail that was all kinds of fucked up cosmetically, but otherwise fine. I sandblasted it, tumbled it, and sent it off to be anodized black.
But apparently it got mixed up with some other stuff, and it turns out that they ended up nickle plating it instead.
what should I do with blingrail? Keep it shiny? Coat it?
>>22566591
Will you ever do a video with NE's 80% AK lower?
>>22568107
>based bling rail
>not keeping it and getting a A1 upper and lower from nodak left 'in the white' to pair it with
>>22556370
dude these kits were like $150 back in 2002....
>>22568152
I have a lower in the white already, how much do the uppers run?
>>22568152
>A1 upper and lower
>nickle plated quadrail
>>22568261
its already an abomination, but nao it can be King AbomiNATO
>>22550098
>be after the habbening happened.
>sitting along the wall of my Mad Max compound
>see someone approach
>they have a gun
>tell them to drop the gun
>they do not comply
>fire warning shot
>they do not comply and keep walking towards the compound
>shoot them
>go check the body for supplies
>awww yiss an AK
>pick it up
>see the /k/ube or the /k/rest
>instafeels
>sit in the wasteland thinking about how I shot someone I called an autist on /k/
>you're gonna carry those feels
>not rejoicing that you killed a cancer autist of /k/
bitch you cray.
>pic related
>>22552369
i dont think hell be able to hold the camera with a stump and 3 retarded fingers
>>22552093
Stupid partially related question, would a working rifle with no barrel at all be a SBR in the eyes of the ATF?
>>22552128
One parts kit that I REALLY wish I bought was a DP-28 kit.
>showing up at a k meet with a massive 7.62x54r firing rifle with a 47 round UFO magazine
Just imagine the jelly.
>>22568569
No, because it's not a working rifle without a barrel. Also, you can't make a working AK without the barrel, because the chamber's a part of the barrel.
>>22552128
Related question, what's the best parts kit for cost, ease of manufacture, and minimal tools (in that order of priority).
>>22552347
IIRC The one in your picture broke after like one round.
>>22568639
sten kit. its like $110 and all you need is a steel pipe, a drill, a file and a grinder
>>22568786
except it's illegal to build them in open bolt configuration
>>22568124
I probably will
>>22568853
eh, the other parts aint that much more work
>>22568853
>I probably will
Pls do. I started watching your videos this week and I get the basic gist from them but one with the NE lower would be aces
>>22555908
>got a lemon
Correct. I know I did. I have seen some beautiful Saigas both converted and unconverted.
>>22568963
I loved all my saigas, but I do hold my SGL the closest. I would say get another but that whole ordeal with those sanctions.... if your good at building get an 88 izzy from rguns.
>>22568608
Wouldn't it just spit the whole round out the front when you release the bolt?
Does the ATF consider that firing?
>>22569291
No, because you're not pulling a trigger, nor are you firing the gun, you're just shooting 60% more bullet per bullet out the receiver via spring pressure.
>>22555397
>Lame fucking hand guard held on by a single screw indicative of entire build before conversion
what a retarded complaint.
they ship these rifles off to the states knowing most of them are going to be converted.. you want them to increased the cost of the rifle by spending more on the parts they know will most likely be thrown away? lol.
saigas are fantastic aks, you're just dumb.
>>22569762
Regular AK handguards are held in with no screws at all.
>Saiga: 1
>AK: 0
>>22569235
>buys SGL
>puts triangle stock
>wood furniture
>short collar break
goddamn it /k/
>>22569894
An SLR-104FR with the all-plastic furniture would be a perfect ironic companion
>>22570011
I'd cry
I've been thinking about buying one of these kits for a while. https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/51/products_id/3694
I've already found a semi auto 80% receiver online, and a 16 inch barrel. How hard would it be to assemble this?
>>22569396
60%?
>>22572733
http://youtu.be/LC6nkqGEBBw
HI, CAVE JOHNSON HERE
>>22572733
Was a reference for this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i-nMWgBUp0
>>22568853
Since you've been helpful can you inform me what you use to weld the rails?
>>22550820
Can you even fucking read? AKM not AR
>>22574110
You're an idiot.
>>22568124
>mfw I thought it was a broken lathe insert from the thumbnail
>and then it was a cat
I need to work less and sleep more...
What's the most poorfag way to do an AK build without going the route of screws?
>>22573912
Most people use a spot welder (harbor freight with akbuilder tongs), but you can plug weld them, or even use rivets or screws.
>>22574610
Thanks. Gonna buy some of those tongs today.
>>22555220
Cases are extruded and require expensive, specialty equipment and dies. It's like getting a reloading set up but costing 10x as much.
I have no idea on primers.
Your best bet is actually google. If you don't understand google then you have more problems.
>>22578437
Wait... so are you telling me for $4000 I can make my own 9x39? Fuck, I can have a barrel made at a local gunsmith and make an ak9 knockoff.
>>22579043
I haven't looked at the numbers in a long time, but maybe. It'll defiantly be less than $10000.
>>22574573
weld it all together.
