How will space battleships look like in the future?
spherical with thrusters on all sides.
>be sci-fi battleship
>trying to twist and turn a mile-long narrow mass of terrestrial alloy
>>22175230
>spherical
No.
>>22175230
>spherical
That would be retarded, a cube would make more sense so that way you don't end up with pointless curved walls that can not be used.
>>22175242
>cube
Lol no again.
>>22175216
Certainly not like that
>>22175248
How do you know, faggot?
>>22175216
Like flying towers but with thrusters on the bottom, rather than the floating cruise ship like in your picture. Remember that gravity pushes you DOWN so the "front" of the ship will actually be the ceiling.
How the fuck do you even spot shit in space?
Is there RADAR in space or what? How far would engagements be and would it be like surface ships here with carriers, cruisers, destroyers?
I can't imagine engagements being far since shit like missiles can be shot down easily thus the need for cannons and shit would be necessary.
>>22175242
>>22175237
There are people on /k/ RIGHT NOW who have never read based Perry Rhodan in their youth
>>22175262
Thermal and radar, I would guess. What I want to know is how effective LaWS are in space.
>>22175255
>>22175255
Well to be fair in the Halo universe the UNSC ships have a fuck ton amount of thrusters all over the ship and centrifugal force.
>>22175262
>cannons
>in space
Anon pls.
>>22175230
Engineer here, a sphere would be the least aerodynamic in planets atmospheres but as far as the the ratio to external material to volume, you couldn't be more right. IDK about the thrusters tho
>>22175263
There is literally zero practical reason in making it a sphere. That just increases complexity for zero gain. Normally things are made round for aerodynamic purposes, which you don't have to worry about in a vacuum.
>>22175262
Radar is basically limitless.
>>22175283
>and centrifugal force.
If they did they certainly never showed it.
>>22175263
>Perry Rhodan
>Germans do scifi
>least pretty, but most functional ships in scifi history
![2001SpaceOdyssey_chairs[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/XMol87Q.jpg "2001SpaceOdyssey_chairs[1].jpg")
>>22175242
it'd be more like pointless curved floors that can be spun for artificial gravity.
a cube would present a needlessly larger target from specific angles. deflection of projectiles is easier and safer with a sphere anyway.
This
>>22175262
>Is there RADAR in space or what?
Boeing already makes stealth satellites that are practically impossible to find without going out there yourself and finding it manually.
>>22175326
>satellites
There's a big ass fucking difference between a spaceship and a satellite.
>>22175300
>but as far as the the ratio to external material to volume,
Wrong metric, what you need is ratio of external material to USEABLE internal volume.
>>22175318
>deflecting of projectiles
Good one, as if you are going to be deflecting any projectile moving close to the speed of light. Sloped armor is already useless on today's battlefield, it will be even more so in the future.
>curved floors that can be spun for artificial gravity.
Pointless, the ship will be generating gravity via the velocity it travels at so there will be no such need.
>>22175337
> the ship will be generating gravity via the velocity it travels
Unless it's constantly accelerating or decelerating, it won't.
>>22175334
Every yin has a yang
As we progress into actually having space warships, we'll be looking into ways to make them practically invisible.
Eventually well come to the point where wars would have to be fought like back in the old days and in this case it means broadside firing with massive firepower, airwings and boarding.
>>22175353
>broadside firing with massive firepower, airwings and boarding.
I want it. Now.
>>22175353
I seriously doubt it. I think it would play out rather like submarines. A whole lot of detecting and launching shit from 1 million kilometers or some shit like that. I'm more excited at the missile rape that will ensue from such an engagement.
>>22175337
>get a load of this fuckin' guy
kek
Everything on that ship would be put to usable space. As far as gravity, no, it would have to spin unless it was accelerating or decelerating in some way. I highly doub't a ship would actually come down to a planet to 'dock'. It seems more possible that there would be a ISS situation as far as supplies and manpower go.
>>22175392
Well you can shoot missiles down easily and you armor against lasers easily.
What does this leave us with? Blunt force extreme fire power projectile weapons like railguns at reasonable distance.
Everything is going to go back to it's old roots eventually.
Fighter jets? Once we have planes that have lasers to counter missiles we'll have to go back to cannons.
>>22175337
>projectile moving close to the speed of light
>what is action and reaction
Sloped armor is shit, but I don't think anyone's going to be accelerating any sort of mass out of moving ships at lightspeed.
>>22175417
exactly, mostly bc that would require infinite energy.
>at any moment our planet could be wiped out by a stray shot from a more advanced civilization light-years away
>>22175337
>habitation decks at or near the equator
>minimal space wasted on hallways or elevators of conventional "tiered" design
>storage decks at higher latitudes
>engines, bridge, hangar, other mission critical shit in the core
what wasted space?
>>22175230
fuggin dahak
rows of railgun turrets blaming nuclear missiles and counter nukes at each other with massive sacrificial barriers between their line of fire to suck up the blow if anything gets too close.
it'll be a fireworkds show like nothing else that will cast Boreas above earth surface where the actions at from the all magnetic interference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-altitude_nuclear_explosion
>>22175230
That'd be dumb. I could see maybe squares, but not really.
You want to minimize profile. A long spear like ship might work better.
>>22175490
Till the moment something attacks you from the side.
>>22175312
A spherical shape gives you the smallest surface area possible for any given volume. i.e. less surface area for an enemy to hit. It also allows you to bury more critical areas, like the power generator and bridge, deep inside so a shot would have to penetrate deeper to cause vital damage.
From a tactical standpoint it would actually be a good choice in a three dimensional battlefield, in a vacuum where air resistance is not an issue.
>>22175490
>a long spear like ship
That's stupid. You'd be putting an incredible amount of stress on the structure every time you turn that thing, not to mention the g-forces your crew would be suffering in both ends of the ship.
>>22175508
Exactly. In space you can't guarantee from what direction the enemy will approach. And that assumes it's a single enemy, as opposed to a fleet which would divide and try to flank you. A more likely scenario.
they'll look like something that can take out the enemies space elevators so that they can no longer resupply their orbital fleet.
>>22175216
>battleships
>nuclear weapons
>doesn't compute
>>22175230
>Spherical
No. A big problem in space is heat dissipation and spheres are the worst at doing it. It needs "wings" of a sort.
>>22175490
ribbed surface? for maximum pleasure (of cooling)
>>22175283
>>22175312
Only older human ships in halo have rotating sections for centrifugal force. By the time the war with the Covenant started they invented some form of artificial gravity. Which also lets the smaller ships hover in atmosphere
>>22175353
>boarding
>>22175508
That was sort of the idea.
The side being the primary armaments.
Front would be pointed towards the largest concentration, but on the whole, the flanks are set for a sort of broadside attack.
Otherwise, why bother making it long?
Might as well just go with tiny cubes.
>>22175521
I am not sure what you mean. Either you are thinking something ridiculously long, ridiculously thing, or both.
While it'd certainly be subject to more than a cube-shaped ship, it shouldn't be so much that it causes too major a concern.
>>22175414
A plane with lasers that can counter missiles can counter other planes. And don't give me armour against it bullshit, because they can do the same for the missiles.
>>22175620
I think they stole the tech from the covenant. Can't really remember, unfortunately, but they did the same with a lot of tech.
>>22175569
Yeah thermodynamic is a bitch. If you want any sort of big power on board ship turns into very brittle design with sails size radiators.
http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/realdesigns.php
>>22175633
There is kind of a discrepancy here. In the earlier books humans didn't have any artificial gravity when the war started in 2525, and completely relied on rotating sections for centrifugal force. When they time skip forward to 2552, human ships all have artificial gravity which has probably been reverse engineered.
In later books a few human ships had artificial gravity to some extent, with older ships being designed with freefall/rotating sections in mind. Some deal with these conflicts that humans were basically on the verge of reliable artificial gravity when the covenant showed up, which made reverse engineering their version of the tech easy as pie.
>>22175284
>He doesn't know about space plasma cannons.
Project Orion.
Educate yourself motherfucker.
>>22175441
2deep
>>22175521
A cylindrical design allows safer travel through space without some kind of energy shielding or having to mount retarded amounts of armor over the entire ship, which would reduce acceleration efficiency, by requiring only the front end be heavily armored enough to survive high speed travel.
Like this but replace the cargo pods with a laser cannon/railgun, whatever you prefer.
>>22175216
We won't know what space battleships look like until we have objectives for a space battleship to fulfill.
>>22175724
>>22175724
>objectives for a space battleship to fulfill.
go on
>>22175730
Provide some program requirements, faggot. You are the space military and need a new space battleship. What does it need to do?
Anyone remember that book series where there were space potatoes flinging asteroids near the speed of light at Earth?
>>22175730
I can't go on. There's nothing for a space battleship to do. We don't have anything in space but satellites. There's no interplanetary trade route to patrol or space pirate asteroid bases to eradicate. Things look different based on what they'd have to do, and we don't know what a space battleship would have to do.
>>22175724
>>22175730
Protection for convoys.
As Humanity colonizes other planets there will be shipping lanes between them and Earth. These straits will be designated paths that make the shipping between planets the quickest. As the government splits or other factions come up these straits will be prime targets for piracy or any enemy of the government. This is when you'll need space battleships and other vessels to protect and patrol these straits and stop pirates and enemies from disrupting shipping lines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FmAUwojQcE
my only contribution to this thread
>>22175760
Imagine it though. You have this multi world government that has an iron hand controlling everything. They decree you can not have fire power on your ship unless you are a military sanctioned vessel. Since you are pirates and smugglers you want to remain low key so you have no defensive or offensive arms. Just a bunch of tricks to deploy to confuse their systems long enough to bug out of there. Then you dock with ships and either trade, pirate or salvage. You roam space with your crew and have grand adventures. And you look fabulous in your pretty floral bonnet.
Fuck these space threads, they always show up right when I need to go to bed but I love them so much
>>22175755
>implying space pirates will exist
>implying there will be any viable way of getting goods from space to a planet and back
>implying a pirate spaceship could ever take goods away from another spaceship
>implying boarding actions
>>22175786
Have you never heard of Ion Cannons or Pinpoint systems? You just disable the power source of a ship and then hard dock with it. You use pincers to force open the doors if they are sliding or you use plasma torches to cut open sealed doors if they are the lock type on modern ships. You don't even have to deal with the crew, just take the cargo.
And have you never heard of a Starlight Drive? It allows you to travel at faster than light speeds without actually going faster than light. It slows time down as you approach light speed but instead of one year for you being three thousand for someone on a planet it actually equalizes the time to have yours just be slightly behind theirs. So a month in Starlight is only a Month and a couple hours in real time. This is the way that Humanity will travel from star to star without burning thousands of years between trips.
>>22175786
>back in 10,000BCE
B-but Krong! We just beginings to understand how vast wetness works? Wood float but expensive and takes much mans! Never will there be pirates on the never ending dark wet.
>>22175324
/thread
requirements?
>thermally resistant skin reflective enough to withstand lasers up to a certain power
>enough armor or active defenses to mitigate kinetic strikes
>means to provide gravity for the crew
>launch and receive planes capable of atmospheric flight
>launch and receive communications satellites
>weapons system capable of tracking very fast moving targets up to multiple AU's away (wrecking bads and powering cargo shuttles with laser sails for resupply runs)
>power source independent from solar radiation (fusion?)
>resistant to decompression to allow for safe escape of crew
not sure what else.
>>22175216
Shhhhh you had me at
>space battleships
>>22175812
And did Krong invent a system of intercontinental trade? No? Then your comparison is worthless.
>>22175848
>>22175834
They'd basically be like the Galactica or Pegasus. Super Carriers that are a self contained battle station that can repair and outfit everything they carry as well as have a compliment of combat capable troops and cargo capacity. So you are looking at a ship about a mile long that has a compliment of a few thousand.
>>22175724
>>22175730
>>22175739
We are bumping into the threshold of unknown unknowns.
I imagine this will be like inter war tanks and pre-during-post dreadnaught eras of battleship design.
Designers are making wildly incorrect assumptions for designs that are obsolete by the time they are completed
>>22175862
You are correct about the designs. In space you have nothing acting against your craft for the most part. No water or air. You can move in three dimensions and the most efficient shape is a cube or a sphere. But... that's also the most boring. So it will be a combination of aesthetics and function that will come up with some interesting designs. The majority of the ships you see in science fiction are still designed as if they were updates of the classic ocean going vessels.
what do you guys think about honor harrington series? for me its pretty /k/ and i love it.
Stupid ass question : given how the black color absorbs heat, wouldn't be that color never used for space ships ?
>>22175862
>Designers are making wildly incorrect assumptions for designs that are obsolete by the time they are completed
That's probably the most realistic outcome I've read so far
Honestly they will probably resemble space stations more than "ships"
>>22175877
I think it will depend on how warfare is tbh
Reinforced parts, hangers, towers etc etc
Shit like this>>22175855
>>22175848
would definitely work better than a cube
>>22175855
Dumping more
How expensive would these be?
I imagine for a country to have a capable space navy it would have to have a MASSIVE GDP to where the costs don't effect it that much.
Btw that ship in the OP has like 3' of titanium armor. And is like 1,000' long. Someone do the math.
>>22175898
I'd like to think that way too but until they are built we won't know.
>>22175905
I wrote a book that I'm trying to find publishers for. In it the story is centered around a Communications Officer on a starship. He's transferred to a new vessel and there's a brass plaque that states where the majority of the vessel came from. It was rebuilt from most of a ship that had been destroyed six years before. A good portion of the fleet is recycled ships since they are so damn expensive to produce. Because of the war they are engaged in and the cost of it the governments of Earth are nearly bankrupt. Seven years and its drained most of the economy of the planet.
>>22175905
By the time nations could support Space Navies, they would also probably be mining the moon, mars and asteroids. Along with cheaper/more efficient manufacturing methods.
On the flipside you don't really know how much R&D would cost to even make building these things work.
You could come up with a number of what it may take to cost to build one, but it would be
pretty worthless speculation.
>>22175922
Sounds interesting. If you do manage to get it published please tell /k/ I think I would enjoy reading it.
>>22175905
that's got to be enough to deplete at least a few easily accessible deposits on the planet. you better hope we're mining from asteroids by this time this sort of shit becomes feasible.
>>22175933
I hope it will but I'm not looking that hard right now since I'm also writing a Post Apocalyptic story that's set in the same universe a hundred and fifty years before. Once that's finished I'll be pushing both of them hard to see which will get picked up first. I try to make it as /k/ as possible and stay true to the weapons without boring the reader to death.
>>22175441
That*s why we don't fire from the hip!
http://youtu.be/ULId74o-YwI
>>22175905
The UNSC frigate has 3cm of titanium armor and is around 400 meters long if I remember right.
>>22175933
There we are, this is that paragraph referencing the salvaged ships.
Most of the Coalition naval vessels were refits of older craft that had been damaged heavily in the fight against the Jekai. The Starburn was a combination of Human and Valcorin technology that had been grafted into the skeleton of a ship that was nearly destroyed around some god forsaken solar system in the early years of the war. He did not know its old name nor did he care. Very few of the first capitol class starships that the Coalition had at the beginning of the war had survived. He was reminded of this fact every time he walked towards the bridge. Two doors away was a brass plaque the size of a pack of cigarettes that had been etched, it was set permanently into the wall at eye level. CSS salvaged 18/03/2238 were the words set into the metal with a numerical code under them. Whatever hulk the skeleton of the Starburn had been was recovered on that date. He touched the plaque with the tips of his fingers then stepped away. Hundreds of thousands had already died in the war, that small piece of brass was the only grave marker for some of them.
>>22175834
Sounds like you want a Battlestar
>>22175945
>Post Apocalyptic story that's set in the same universe a hundred and fifty years before.
If I could write, this is exactly what I would write about
>>22175965
Looks pretty good, hope you get it published someday
>>22175889
Actually, what's that blacker than black shit they made and said was going to be tested on satellites?
>>22175976
The post apocalyptic story is about after the fall and how the world picked itself up. It centers in Southern Utah where I live and goes from there. It shows how the Mormons pretty much just blinked and went on about their lives while other places devoured themselves whole. So that's the story about rebuilding and then the space story is about expanding. So basically to build the new the old had to be destroyed.
>>22175991
>Mormons
Notsureifwant.png
>>22175991
Fuck off mormomshit. Definitely not buying that shit ever
>>22175216
I think Legend of Galactic Heroes has the most realistic depiction of spaceships and space combat, it's kind of frightening.
This is a good depiction (if it doesn't snap, go to 3:25 on the video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ofR3xzEpSBk#t=204
>>22176001
>>22176008
God damn it you fucks. Its not a story about Mormons. Its a story that takes place in an area that has Mormons. You liked Honest Hearts right? Joshua Graham is a Mormon. Man up.
"I don't enjoy killing, but when done righteously it is a chore like any other."
>>22175991
As long as the Mormons aren't the ONLY group that survives that would be okay, Mormons are prepared for SHTF and al-...
>>22176023
Nvm, seems like a decent book
wouldread/10
But in the future series, do you have a chapter/part about planet invasions? Kind of a fetish of mine, can't do space combat without it.
>>22176036
They aren't the only ones that survive at all. Just some of the best prepared as a group. Anyways I do kinda have one. Its more of one ship going rogue and attacking citizens. Takes place on a planet if you want it.
>>22176016
I doubt you would see very many pitched battles like this in open space. Its like medieval combat, you rarely had open field battles, mostly sieges. It is far too easy to run away in space, you aren't going to fight unless you have an advantage or absolutely have to. And if you do have an advantage, your opponent will easily be able to tell and will retreat.
I think most fights will be planetary sieges. Where defending fleets attempt to capitalize on every possible advantage, while attackers have to strike with overwhelming force to overcome a prepared orbital defense.
>>22176023
Mormon a shit, my opinion still stands
>>22176048
Yeah yeah I've heard it all before.
>>22176045
>Takes place on a planet if you want it.
Sure, if you want to post it
I do not see how any craft, other than a single-seat capsule or space shuttle like craft, can be launched from Earth into space. If you want to have large capital ships in orbit and beyond, they're going to has to be built in modules like the ISS was. I would expect a battleship in space to be relatively small, made of many modules connected to form a larger structure, and not very cool looking.
As for weapons, the most effective one I could think of would be metal rods powered by rockets that would be fired at enemy craft. They would rely on their kinetic energy and speed to blow through their hull and expose the crew to the elements of space or destroying critical parts of the ship like weapons, power-plants, retrorockets, etc.
Can't really think of an existing design that would fit this idea visiaully.
>>22176047
>I think most fights will be planetary nuclear bombardments
fixed
>>22176094
Constructing in modules ISS isn't going to cut it for a ship. Too fragile and takes far too long.
We are going to have to wait until we have the infrastructure in place to do the majority of the construction in orbit. Either we get the capacity to haul up parts cheaply using something like a space elevator or Orion style ship. Or we mine all of the raw materials in space, and fabricate every part in orbit.
>>22176088
Well... I can't find that particular chapter. I have the book segmented into parts so I think I'll look but anyways it was more about threats and some violence. Here's one about Mobile Armor in space and ship boarding to offset me not being able to find it. Quick background, Allies of the Humans are known as Valcorin. They are exactly like Humans, infact we are the same species, they just live on a different planet.
Rhysta stepped into the powered suit pushing her hands down into the arms and flexing her fingers. The suit sealed itself around her and the visor turned on giving her full sensor readouts. She pulled one of the laser cannons off the weapon rack and attached it to the back of her power armor. Grabbing a grenade belt and a torch she fastened them around the suit.
She was riding on one of the drop ships from the Chamer fleet ready to attack the asteroid facility. Two minutes and they would be within range. She settled back against the door and switched to her rear view. Six other power suits with pilots waited behind her. Each of them had been trained in the Valcorin form of special operations.
“Operation is your typical hop and forced entry. Eliminate what resistance you can for the soldiers that will be coming in behind you.” Their commander stepped into her own power suit and grabbed a cannon for herself. Rhysta switched to a forward view and counted down the seconds.
>>22175230
enjoy your OVERHEATING LOLOLOL
When it was zero time the door split open in the center and pushed outward. Rhysta jumped from the moving drop ship and engaged her thrusters speeding on towards the facility. The Jekai were still putting up a fight even though their fleet had been disabled. She reached back and withdrew the cannon from her pack. Taking aim she cut the nose of one of the fighters clean off with the blue laser. It broke apart and the Jekai floated. She hit him with the laser and moved on.
The suits were fast and manuverable but offered little protection against a direct hit from any enemy star fighter. It was a badge of honor to be chosen to pilot one of the Boudicca suits. She equated the all female Boudicca unit to the Terran legend of the Amazons. The suits themselves were thrice the size of a normal woman and packed with sensors and composite armor. They could be loaded with a variety of weapons which made them ideal for quick combat and capturing an objective. Only the Chamer fleet had the suits and she felt privileged to be She landed the suit on the outer hull of the facility and engaged the magnetic pads on the bottom of the boots. It clamped on and she pulled the torch from the grenade belt. Bending down she started cutting a hole into the metal. For appearing bulky the suits offered incredible agility. They could only make short thruster assisted hops in atmosphere but in the blackness of space they matched any of the Valcorin star fighters available in manoeuvrability and speed.
>>22176118
Way to render the only thing worth fighting for worthless to everyone, planetary bombardments of habitable worlds aren't going to happen. Unless its aliens who just want to exterminate, in that case we are probably boned.
Once the hole was cut she replaced the torch and kicked against the separated piece. It gave way then fell into the corridor with an outrush of air. She dropped down inside and gripped her weapon running down the corridor towards the closing doors. They were slow enough that she got around them. A quick check of her onboard radar showed that she had to go up three decks from her current position to get to the command chamber.
The seven Boudicca suits were charged with cutting a way into the facility that the regular Valcorin soldiers could follow after their drop ships docked with the new holes. Where Rhysta was encased in advanced power armor they were only in pressurized suits with regular body armor. The more of the enemy she killed the easier of a time they would have.
She rounded a corner narrowly dodging two blasts of plasma that collided with the wall next to where she had been. The metal around the new hole was glowing like an ember and slowly burning away. She aimed the laser cannon around the corner and pulled the trigger slicing through both of them. That was the advantage of a larger laser like her suit had. You could sweep areas with the beam still active. The smaller rifles only had half a second bursts.
>>22176094
>Can't really think of an existing design that would fit this idea visiaully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k6IloNu5z4
The corridor was just big enough for her to get around in. There wasn’t much room on either side of her. That was just as well since the next junction she came to there was another Jekai soldier with a green jalabah that she crushed against the wall with her free arm. His head slumped as the life left him and she continued on.
There was a ramp only a hundred yards away. That would lead up to the other decks. Something rolled down it towards her. It was the size of a baseball and was blinking. She pulled back as it exploded casting plasma energy wide in the corridor melting everything it touched. She moved the laser cannon into the corridor and surveyed the damage with its built in scope that was connected to her HUD. The ramp was half eaten away and there was no going that direction anymore.
Rhysta pulled the torch from her belt again and started cutting a hole in the ceiling. If they wanted to stop her from using the proper ways of going up she’d just have to cut her own. She pulled the section down and tossed it aside then clicked on her thrusters to jump up to the next floor. One more cut and she was going to be at the right deck.
As soon as she made the jump there was an Immortal standing in the corridor with his shock lance at the ready. Purple energy arced from the bladed tip. Still having the torch in her hand she charged him and fired with the laser cannon. The blue energy beam struck an unseen barrier and deflected into the wall. The Immortal spun the shock lance around quickly and struck the cannon causing it to explode in a blast of purple light.
Electricity shot up her arm and she screamed in the suit. There was the scent of burnt hair. The right arm was numb and she gritted her teeth. The Immortal swung in for another attack and she brought the torch up just as the lance connected with it. Another burst of energy and she was pushed back. This one had been smaller. The Immortal pressed the advantage and the lance shot out for the helmet of her suit.
Rhysta swung the arm blade out of its protective cover and twisted the suit sideways as she lunged. The Lance glanced off her helmet and made full contact with the wall blowing a chunk out of it. The arm blade penetrated the Immortal’s armor and he spat blood. She twisted her arm and he grunted dropping the lance. Once it was no longer in his grip it turned off after a couple seconds and became mostly harmless. She lifted her left arm and he slid further down the blade. The arm blade retracted and the Immortal fell to the deck dead.
The feeling was slowly returning to her right arm and she continued on towards the command chamber. Her main weapon had been taken away and the shock lance was useless to her. It had been encoded only to respond to an Immortal.
There was a final door before the chamber and she pried it apart using the arms of the suit. It creaked and was pushed back. The command chamber was mostly deserted except for two men in the white jalabah that marked them as masters. They stopped dead seeing the Boudicca suit. She thought about killing them but the masters were a science based group and it would be a waste of time. Neither one of them was armed. They ran from the chamber and disappeared.
“Rhysta here, central command chamber is secure.”
“Understood Rhysta,” It was her commander that responded. “I am only a deck away. I will be there shortly.”
The command chamber had a circular data bank in the center with screens everywhere. Five yards away in an elevated ring were various stations. Twenty yards beyond that lay another elevated ring and the wall where she was standing. The screens were showing various live video feeds from external and internal cameras. She was watching some of the Valcorin soldiers pour into the facility and others involved in a fire fight a few decks away. The entire complex spanned miles of tunnels and corridors that led to everything from barracks to storage, medical and research areas. One of these stations turned off the gravity well. Her commander would know what to do.
She waited for only a couple minutes then the commander’s suit entered from the opposite side of the chamber. They both hopped down the rings to the central data bank and the senior woman started looking over the panels.
“Problems on the way up?” The commander gestured to Rhysta’s scorched arm.
“Immortal tried to best me. I did not know they were here.”
“Probably part of the fleet. They aren’t usually given in to guarding outposts.”
“They are like cockroaches. Where there is one there is always another.”
“Cockroaches?”
“Terran insect.”
“That reminds me. I heard that you challenged...”
The commander never finished that sentence. A shock lance impacted with her back and exploded throwing Rhysta to the side. She pulled herself to her feet and saw that the commander’s Boudicca suit was in pieces. Another Immortal stood at the entrance. He had thrown the lance and withdrew a wicked looking curved blade that arced with energy.
She pulled a grenade from her belt and the arm blade extended. The Immortal walked around the outer ring watching her for a few seconds. He kept the scimitar low. She activated and threw the grenade then charged. His scimitar made contact with the grenade and it exploded. Again an unseen barrier stopped the fragments from hitting him. Were these damned Immortals psychic also? She lashed out with the arm blade and he swept aside. It struck the wall and she brought the foot of the suit up to impact against his chest. It sent him flying into a screen. The inert scimitar clattered to the floor and the man just lay in a pile of broken glass.
She thrust the arm blade towards him to finish the job. It struck the invisible barrier then broke in half. She growled and pushed hard against it. There was no give at all. The man stood keeping the barrier active. She could sooner push through solid steel. Pulling another grenade from her belt she set it to a one second fuse and chucked it at the wall to her right. It bounced off and went around the barrier striking the Immortal in the back. He staggered forward just as it exploded and was eviscerated by the shrapnel. The barrier had stopped most of the explosion reaching her before it disappeared.
>>22176151
stop ruining this thread with your book pls
>>>/lit/
She stepped away from the bloody mess and went back to the central data bank. Pushing the body parts of the commander aside there was a screen with the readouts for the power core and the gravity well. She reduced the power feed to the well and it dropped to zero.
“Rhysta to all Valcorin units. Gravity well is inactive. Relay to the fleet.” There was a response from one of the drop ships and they relayed her transmission. She shook her head taking a good look at the commander’s ripped apart body. She had not been that old. Only around forty years or so. One moment’s distraction had cost her dearly. There was nothing much left to do for Rhysta but to sit and wait for the reinforcements to show. The Boudicca unit would need a new commander and she needed repairs to her suit. She walked over to the dropped scimitar and attached it to her pack. It was a well earned war trophy.
So that's the abridged version of it.
>>22175308
>Drunk one night.
>lemme draw new ship for cartoon game I am a part of even though I am adult
>don't judge me, mom, i'll move out soon.
>No, 30 is not too old to be playing spaceman toy game
>back to drawing
>lel milf...wonder if she would fuck me?
>I could write a story on /b/...
>anyway, new ship
>hmmm...new ideas are so hard
>looks too much like the Millennium Falcon
>maybe if I rounded things a bit more
>and then added tanks to the back...
>I got it!
>Millennium Falcon and a T-72 tank.
>>22176132
With single planet sides are limited by easy retaliation strikes and by destroying its own ecosphere. With space ranges retaliation becomes more difficult and no concerns about ecology. So strategy of planetary strike rises in viability. Also could be problems in establishing sources of the strike.
Also all things considerer true space races living in free space (with transhumanisied bodies which don't need atmosphere and gravitation and organic food) > planetary apes in space warfare. Once you go space you don't go back to planets.
>>22176168
>Once you go ocean you don't go back to land.
are you jack sparrow?
>>22175905
A staple of my mental sci-fi imaginings are autonomous nanomachine swarms that can eat matter and carry it out somewhere to use it to build. Dead lifeless planets with low terraform necessity might have swarms the size of football fields at first, designated to build more of themselves. As the swarm gets bigger, some start harvesting specific elements or compounds and binding them together into massive ingots.
You'd eventually have a country-sized swarm of nanobots eating all of the resources of a useless planet. If the type of materials on that planet aren't fit to be used as much, i've thought that humanity invents some sort of "Atomic Repurposing" technology, that transmutes atoms into multiple smaller atoms, changing the element, or putting smaller atoms together to make larger ones, without large nuclear explosions being needed in the process. These factories might hover very close to a sun to get the energy needed to do that.
>>22176178
>You'd eventually have a country-sized swarm of nanobots eating all of the resources of a useless planet.
Jesus christ, if that's possible on a dead planet, it's also possible on a live one. I don't want planet eating swarms of robots 8km high and in every direction every showing up on my horizon
>>22176036
The (looks kinda like odst guy) seems so fat compared to the br he is holding
(? ?) this is supposed to be needler crosshairs
>>22176183
>I don't want planet eating swarms of robots
>not wanting to become one
>Do you even Yawgmoth?
Polite bump.
any space warships will probably be autonomous or remote-piloted, since unmanned vehicles are able to achieve much higher accelerations than manned vehicles
I know it's not 100% hard sci fi, but I've always liked the look of this thing.
>>22176253
One more reason to upload yourself in the computer so you can withstand high acceleration, eat electricity and live millions years through interstellar travels.
>>22176253
Yeah maybe guns will be AI aimed but something like that needs a fucking crew to command it lmao.
>>22176254
I know it's 0% hard sci fi, but I've always liked the look of this thing.
>>22176268
you are a man of great taste, my friend.
>>22176268
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>>22176183
>they would also be faraday caged
:-)
I can imagine us sending out thousands of these in pods to known enemy worlds.
>>22176254
I know it's not 100% hard sci fi, but I've always liked how it is a big gun with more guns.
>>22175230
The first "space ships" are likely going to be space planes that have to have atmospheric capabilities as well, so they will also have to be aerodynamic.
>>22176178
So Supreme Commander/Total Annihilation?
>>22175337
>Sloped armor is already useless on today's battlefield
Sloped armor is about increasing effective thickness, not deflection
Educate yourself you mouth breather.
>>22176309
Will there be door gunners?
>>22176317
>>22176317
Looks like it
![awing[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/wJlLuBT.jpg "awing[1].jpg")
>>22176268
don't forget the A-Wing, brother
There are way too many "It's a battleship: in space" deckplans.
How are you meant to accelerate without everyone and everything smacking into a wall?
>>22176346
Spacemagic and anti-gravity, I ain't gotta explain shit
I've always liked the look of this one as far as near-future stuff goes, even though it looks like it doesn't carry nearly enough reaction mass. Also, you should probably put your mass accelerators along your center of mass.
>>22175242
>implying it won't rotate like a planet and use all those thrusters to direct forward movement and manage momentum
>thinking artificial gravity will ever be sci fi magic and not just tubes and spheres rotating
>>22176455
A cylander or a taurus would make perfect sense for an artificial gravity environment. A sphere's just dumb.
Something even better, though, would be the ships from Jovian Chronicles, or the Von Braun from Planetes, where the habitat modules reorient depending whether the ship is under acceleration or not.
Well they would look nothing like in sci fi. I never knew why all these battleshits need to be so needlessly humongous. They're basically floating "shoot me" signs.
>>22176483
>still not understanding the benefits
protip: your feet point out
protip: all the important shit is buried deep in the bowels of the ship
protip: dakka in literally every direction
protip: actually being able to maneuver effectively in a 3D environment where momentum has to be counteracted by another force
a sphere with a detachable solar sail for interplanetary travel (or a pair of big ass ion engines- one to get you halfway there and one to get you slowed down) and a shit ton of maneuvering engines (think impulse power) for once in orbit of another planet makes a lot of sense.
IRL we're talking space stations that happen to be able to move between planets and man made planetoids that could possibly fight each other within the orbits of said planets. Trying to intercept and destroy a ship in open space with another ship would be like two people throwing needles at each other.... standing at 50 yards, attempting to knock their opponents needle out of the air.
>>22175255
It's nice to know that someone else here has read Leviathan Wakes
>>22176483
You'd of course want a contra-rotating section, to cancel out the forces of the first. But no one's perfect.
>>22176419
I think that's a zubrin drive and spends most of its time coasting.
The remass is there but it's just at such a high DeltaV
>>22175324
i love you
>>22176521
But you don't want an artificial gravity environment where the effective gravity is constantly changing as you move towards the front and rear of the ship. Also, things like storage would be a pain the ass, with all those weird curving bulkheads.
And maneuverability is overrated in anything larger than an unmanned drone.
>>22175242
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>>22176521
Also, ion engines? Those things are useless except for shunting satellites and unmanned cargo barges around, they have such pathetic thrust.
>>22176483
>cylander
>taurus
>>22176571
how else do you expect to get from one planet to another
>thinking space travel is going to be l33t operator like in the movies
>>22176561
You want a smooth floor in an artificial gravity environment. Otherwise you're basically climbing these steep little hillocks.
>>22176587
No it's probably going to involve nuclear engines. At least in the short term. Either something like the NERVA or a closed-cycle nuclear engine if people are too frightened by muh radiation.
>space thread on morning /k/
Jesus Christ how horrifying. At least these seem to usually mellow out as time goes by, though
>>22176573
Oh shit. I got about 4 hours of sleep last night and my brain is taking shortcuts.
>>22175216
They won't exist, we're pretty alone in this part of space.
Why bother with artificial gravity systems on fighting ships at all? It's just added mass for something that needs to be lean when they get into the firing lines.
Use a large carrier or starbase to provide the required AG for astronaut's health when the battleships dock for fuel & repairs.
Also, does anyone remember the classic B5 Starfury being considered one of the more feasible space fighters?
>>22176606
>I don't like fun!
>>22176603
You want a smooth floor in an artificial gravity environment. Otherwise you're basically climbing these steep little hillocks.
Not that anon, but there's some silliness about artificial gravity in this thread. You're right, but you wouldn't be able to generate significant artificial gravity across an entire sphere. It would exist largely in a band around the center. You're better off spinning that up independently of the rest of the ship anyway so you don't have most of the ship merely spinning disconcertingly without providing significant 'gravity'.
Also, I disagree with the notion of artificial gravity on a warship. By nature it demands a large infastructural/weight investment, for something that doesn't actually benefit it in its role. You're better off making sure everyone is up to date on their space steroids and doing constant exercises.
Spaceships will look cubular or circular eventually and have thrusters all over them. Because space is a relative vacuum, you can easily change direction, thus a terrestrial fighter style would be woefully outclasses by a ship than can change direction quickly at almost any angle.
>>22175312
>>22175284
>>22175263
Wouldn't dirt and stuff get inside?
Nexus had it right.
Same booster configuration at both ends, with turning nozzels and a rotating crew section.
[spoiler]It had terrible firepower[/spoiler]
Almosy all weapons will be lego-brick square torpedoes mixed with point defence systems.
>>22176636
there won't be any chinese in space? no russians? war is the way of man. there will always be war even if we are all that's out there.
>>22176636
Alone?
Don't worry, I'm sure we'll find something to fight over.
Maybe we will fight for her.
>>22176659
>feasible space fighters
>implying that isn't an oxymoron
Unless it's a short range transatmospheric sortie plane, that is.
>>22176663
I do like fun. These threads are great. But scrolling through the first half of the thread when everyone is piling on unabashed nonsense can be a bit disheartening.
>>22176688
Ave Nex Alea.
How long until there's a Murder /k/ube on Mars?
>>22176714
>implying there isn't one already
>>22175318
I am watching this shit right now, I forgot how tripy the end was
>>22175312
It's nothing to do with aerodynamics nigga. It's all about the turning radius. Large ships turn like absolute barges, which is fine for a cargo transport, but shit for a battleship which will probably at some point have to do time-sensitive evasive maneuvering. As soon as you start making it longer in one direction you quickly start annihilating the speed it can turn in that axis.
>>22176659
>>22176699
>During an online conversation with fans on AOL in December 1995, Straczyski reported that “we've received a number of inquiries from folks associated with NASA about the prospect of perhaps someday actually building working Starfuries, mainly as the space industry equivilent [sic] to fork lifts and heavy loaders”. When asked if there was still interest in doing that, during an interview in 2009, he indicated that he had not “heard anything new about this in several years”.
Is JMS a fucking liar?
>>22175489
A good part of battle strategy will probably become blasting the other dude into a different part of space with nuclear blasts. Neat
>>22176732
>yfw the /k/ube is actually a monolith, like the one from Space Odyssey
>aliens gave us our desire for war
It all makes sense now
>>22176659
>>22176669
I think it depends on the length of deployments. Spending too much time in a zero-g environment will mess you up. It might also help with response time in a combat situation - for things like damage control - if crewmen are able to use their legs as god intended.
>>22176743
I don't care WHO it is, "dude said something one in an aol chat in 1999" is not a reliable indicator of anything whatsoever. Not that it really matters. All near-future space planes ARE short range transatmospheric craft, although there is no need for sorties of course.
>>22176768
You wouldn't want artificial gravity on during maneuvers anyway. You'd have to start spinning it down and the first sign of threat. A spinning mass makes performing any burn efficiently and effectively damn near impossible, particularly in the case of a large scale warship with humans scurrying around and basically no way to ensure perfect mass distribution.
It would suck for the people, yeah, but I think you could make advances in synthetic muscle enhancers and space exercise equipment by that time to compensate.
>>22176775
As opposed to something "a dude said something in an image board in 2014"?
>>22175878
honor is based
>>22176747
Hitting something with a nuke in space won't push it meaningfully, since the explosion doesn't create a shockwave like it does in the atmosphere.
>>22176804
I don't know what you're trying to say.
The concept of space fighters has been discussed at length and for the most part the physical aspects of such a thing are self evident. Physics is fairly universal, if you haven't noticed. It doesn't particularly care who or where you are.
>>22176796
I agree with your reasoning. At the very least you'd turn off the relevant systems during maneuvering.
>>22176833
Well, I just asked if anybody remembered this shit, and if anyone remembered calling out JMS anytime between B5 airing and now.
But well, if you're too young to remember anything, you might as well say so.
>>22176841
I'm sorry I can't change physics for you, I guess? I'm sure it's entirely possible your dude was contacted by NASA for some reason if that makes you happy, but it doesn't mean anything. Also, I'm old enough that I'm not proud of my age or gloat about "muh youngins" on the internet, so probably older than you. Now are you going to stop being an autistic fuckwit?
"You ready for war?"
I think space weapons will be way too powerful to have a win lose battle so we're gonna fly planets at each other.
>>22176882
Well, my friend, why are you so confrontational?
Babylon 5 is a well known sci-fi series from the 90s, and there were flame wars with the Star Trek: Deep Space 9 fandom, a competing show that used the same concept of being based on a space station. This NASA thing was a point of pride for B5 fandom that would have been debunked by now if anything.
If you're interested in sci-fi and space travel, surely you know this at least?
>>22175414
More likely they will just invent better and better missiles and better and better jamming to foil the lasers. Then they will invent better targeting for the lasers and etc.
Railguns can only shoot in a straight line and therefore will always have inferior range to missiles (other than in space of course), not to mention that the jamming that foils missiles and lasers will work just as well on rail gun targeting systems.
>>22176960
>Well, my friend, why are you so confrontational?
Probably because you desperately feel the need to refute something enough to actually reply but you lack so much in understanding that you regress into harping on completely irrelevant basically ad hominem bullshit rather than actually trying to discuss it so I can figure out exactly what your issue is.
Also, not everyone who has an interest in space or the future is a fan of all things, or necessarily even any things, sci-fi. Even if they are, the "fandom" dweebs are an even smaller proportion. And in any case, I never said your dude WASN'T contacted by NASA, only that it doesn't really mean anything. It obviously didn't come to anything, for one. And for two, you obviously have a pretty simplistic idea of space science if you think being intrigued by a drawing board concept and is the same thing as a feasible product.
>>22176016
reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTLMjHrb_w4
>>22177021
Well sir, I implore you to reread my posts. At no point did I attempt to refute anything. I merely wished for some dialogue on some old piece of trivia.
Whilst exercise and suits which pull the body in a manner to imitate gravitational pull can reduce the loss in muscle mass, there's always the problem of internal organs and bones wasting, and those are kinda hard to exercise.
>>22177047
Good point.
If your thrust to mass is good enough, you could provide significant gravity during long term burns. But with a large warship that's probably high future.
I think the most feasible thing then would be to have just the crew compartments, as a relatively small component of the ship, under artificial gravity.
What about a flying saucer type o shape?
>>22177162
like this? maybe humanity already built some
>>22177162
saucer shape you say?
>>22177435
>asian guy squinting at a tiny piece of paper.jpg
>>22177435
NASA Launches 'Flying Saucer' to Test Mars Landing Tech (Video)
>During Saturday's test, a huge balloon carried the 7,000-lb. (3,175 kilograms) test vehicle, which was equipped with the big chute and the 20-foot SIAD, up to an altitude of 23 miles (37 kilometers). The balloon dropped the craft at that point, and its onboard rocket motor kicked on, boosting it to Mach 4 (four times the speed of sound) and 34 miles up (55 km) if all went according to plan.
>The thin air at such heights is a good analog for the Martian atmosphere, which is just 1 percent as dense as that of Earth at sea level, researchers said.
>"With the science and the technologies that we're testing here, we think we could double the mass that we land on Mars, which would go from something like the 1-ton Curiosity rover to something twice that," Clark told reporters during a pre-launch briefing in early June, adding that the gear could also help put payloads down more accurately and at higher elevations on the Red Planet than is currently possible.
>The LDSD technologies should also be extensible, Clark said. For example, multiple 100-foot-wide chutes could work together, helping put human-scale payloads — such as habitat modules and other big pieces of infrastructure — down on Mars.
pic related
i'm thinking classified spacecraft or some kind of camera glitch
>>22177509
enlarge it fullscreen, it's quite visible
either a bit of dist on the lens or something, or someone at nasa leaked us this image of a classified spacecraft. real image by the way
>>22175848
Gee I wonder where I saw that ship before?
>>22175216
Similar design to either Spess Muhreen ships, or like the Human Titans of SOASE
>>22177110
The problem with that is you can't have your centrifugal environment be too small, since the smaller it is, the faster it has to spin to replicate normal gravity, which which can in turn create all sorts of weird and nasty side effects. Things like limbs not going were you want them to, or dizziness and nausea.
You could keep crew modules on retractable booms, so that they won't get in the way during combat, but also allow for a spin rate that won't have everyone stumbling around like drunkards. Or, you could design your ship to tumble ass over teakettle lengthwise, like a tomahawk, when it isn't under acceleration.
Show ain't even that good but god damn those landing ships were awesome. 2KM long spikes that carry their own battle compliment using the kinetic energy from an orbital drop to secure their landing zone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoqly3cifCs
>>22177599
I like the retractable crew stations idea, I think that's been done in fiction before as well. I have a problem with spinning the whole ship up, works great for non-combat ships but for a combat vessel you don't want to have a long spin-down period.
>>22177649
>new orleans
>everyone speaks japanese
i know its anime, but still
I like to think space combat will be on par with submarine warfare or something.
>>22177599
Just get rid of the apes bodies already. Dragging them into space is ridiculous idea.
>>22178019
Oh, I agree with that completely. Unenhanced biology and spacefaring civilization are, if not mutually exclusive, incompatible enough that robots/cyborgs would completely beat them the fuck out. But that turns one huge area of speculation into two.
>>22177670
Zeta Gundam did that. The Argama had retractable crew quarters.
Nuclear pulse propulsion ships would be heavily armed and armored regardless of intent. That huge pusher plate and the arsenal of nuclear bombs. Think project Orion.
But there lies more promise in a fusion rocket such as project Daedalus, much greater speeds (approx 12% lightspeed) and lower mass.
>Daedalus would be propelled by a fusion rocket using pellets of deuterium/helium-3 mix that would be ignited in the reaction chamber by inertial confinement using electron beams. The electron beam system would be powered by a set of induction coils tapping energy from the plasma exhaust stream. 250 pellets would be detonated per second, and the resulting plasma would be directed by a magnetic nozzle. The computed burn-up fraction for the fusion fuels was 0.175 and 0.133 for the First & Second stages, producing exhaust velocities of 10,600 km/s and 9,210 km/s, respectively
But in the short term, pic related
>Bimodal Nuclear Thermal Rockets - conduct nuclear fission reactions similar to those employed at nuclear power plants including submarines. The energy is used to heat the liquid hydrogen propellant. Courtesy of NASA Glenn Research Center
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_propulsion#Spacecraft
>>22178366
Nuclear pulse rockets have incredible specific impulse, much better than nuclear thermal, AND good thrust, and the core principles are fairly well understood. If we could into orbital construction, they would dominate the solar system. ;_;
Either like LoGH, tons of forward projecting battleships lobbing inaccurate fire over hundreds of miles at one another or the exact opposite, carriers deploying tons of small bombers.
My money is on the latter barring shields being invented, as there's no way armor is going to beat modern projectiles without it so fighter/bomber combat will be favored.
>>22177670
>it stopping during combat
why would you not want gravity during active combat? Short of wanting to utilize the (small amount of) energy doing something else, gravity is pretty damn important.
>>22178366
So we have fusion rocket propulsion (pic related), now you probably want armor even just for protection from space particles and radiation on an interplanetary or even interstellar journey. Something like many layered sheets of graphene? Perhaps with repair robots you can send out on to to repair the graphene armor by chewing up old layers of carbon, processing that in ship, and laying down fresh sheets.
Incredibly powerful lasers just to take out incoming rocks. Advanced sensors and telescopes are a given, as we are a curious species, so we might get a heads up on any attack. Even an exploration ship with no military intentions could be a naturally formidable force, provided it faced an enemy of similar technology.
And if we knew other species were out there, we'd certainly decide to be armed if there was any possibility of that working. So probably railguns, missiles, drones, laser propelled missiles. anti-missile/anti small ship flak cannons. Explosive xray nuclear bomb gamma ray laser space drones. I'm thinking a long railgun down the length of the ship, the size determined by power generation capacity and mass requirements.
>>22178579
I talked about that here >>22176796
The problem isn't power (something spinning in space doesn't want to stop anyway), it's controllability. Your crew compartment should be a relatively low portion of your overall mass, so spinning it down wouldn't be as difficult, and you could possibly do emergency maneuvers before even retracting them if you have to. Whole ship spinning means unpredictable behavior and inefficient burns.
>>22178490
LOGH (and I love the series, don't get me wrong) is a really shitty depiction of how space combat would actually work. The ships look plausible and everything, but once everyone starts forming up in three-dimension Napoleonic gun lines, realism goes out the window.
>>22178601
Of course ideally there would be a way to put human beings into storage, that would really open up the potential length of a trip. Cryopreservation and resurrection, mind download (even if you couldn't run the mind, even storing the brain state would work and being able to transfer it to freshly grown or even 3d bioprinted replica of your old brain, you probably wouldn't be the same everytime) a new body grown on arrival to your destination.
The ship protected by drones and a rotating skeleton crew (for smaller mass requirements then a large awake crew).
With humans preserved somehow, and rotating skeleton crew, you wont have need of gravity rings. Otherwise spinning pods that can retract into the ship and house the crew and also act as escape pods (with their own escape pods) could provide gravity.
>>22175242
You are thinking that the sphere is small. It isn't.
>>22178672
Screw all that. I'll stay on Earth.
Sphere profile
2 rotating decks a hundred (or hundreds) of layers deep containing all the important bits near the center. Each one self contained and compartmentalized, with layers of armor between them. The two segments are turning opposite of each other, canceling out their rotational forces.
surface covered in dakka, all with the ability to be aimed up to and past 90 degrees from the body of the craft and able to track with the rotation of the decks, allowing for a whole hemisphere of the ship to fire on the same spot on another target. Think the great great grandson of modern rail guns and nuclear missiles.
two main engines/banks of engines of [insert engine types here] designed for interplanetary travel. one to get it there, the other to slow it down.
banks of maneuvering thrusters for once in orbit of another planet. In a pinch if a main engine goes out they could flip the craft halfway through the trip
A ship like this would be a few miles in diameter at the least and built in orbit. It's main purpose would be a colony ship to ferry thousands of people from earth to mars or an artificial planet even larger than the ship itself. Or shit tons of cargo- raw materials and/or manufactured goods and food.
what would space naval formations look like?
I'm imagining aircraft carrier-esque motherships built to store drones/supplies surrounded by more heavily armored/armed gunships
with little piloted spacecraft flying around them
also since weapons would be fuck-powerful I would think it would basically boil down to a pot-shooting match, seeing which side can shoot down more incoming projectiles than the other
from a purely statistical standpoint, maneuvering and such would be a whole different matter.
>>22178737
Why do you have two sets of engines when one will do the job at - get this - exactly half the mass?
>>22178737
give it a fusion rocket >>22178601 (12% lightspeed, more difficult technology)
or at least a project longshot style nuclear pulse rocket (4% lightspeed, more theoretically attainable near term, 100 years to alpha centauri) pic related, look at that juicy shielding fore and aft already required by the design
>Developed by the US Naval Academy and NASA from 1987 to 1988, Longshot was designed to be built at Space Station Freedom, the precursor to the existing International Space Station. Unlike the somewhat similar Project Daedalus, Longshot was designed solely using existing technology, although some development would have been required.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Longshot
On arrival you could unfreeze the people and they can live on the rings to study the system and send out probes. Or supervise the colony building ships.>>22178672
>>22175237
>Borg cube
>>22178816
>one fails
>good luck slowing down
>good luck speeding up
>miss target planet
>die in open space
>mass mattering
and for that one guy at the start of the thread that didn't into curved surfaces, this is a 10ft line on a 1/4 mile radius circle. near the center, it'd be
>>22178923
and at level 100 of said 1/4 mile radius sphere
>>22178923
>mass not mattering
>ever
>not being able to do repairs on an interplanetary ship
>living
>>22178840
I don't why you keep citing "12% lightspeed", it doesn't mean or correlate to anything, it's just a number you keep saying.
>>22178981
>I don't why you keep citing "12% lightspeed"
i've already provided a citation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Daedalus
>Daedalus would be constructed in Earth orbit and have an initial mass of 54,000 tonnes, including 50,000 tonnes of fuel and 500 tonnes of scientific payload. Daedalus was to be a two-stage spacecraft. The first stage would operate for two years, taking the spacecraft to 7.1% of light speed (0.071 c), and then after it was jettisoned the second stage would fire for 1.8 years, taking the spacecraft up to about 12% of light speed (0.12 c) before being shut down for a 46-year cruise period.
>>22178923
That's reasonable, but putting them on both ends is silly. If it's a warship, you can't armor the nozzles, which is a pretty big vulnerability. And you have to have everything the crew interacts be reorientable, depending on the which of the engines is thrusting. Imagine if someone flipped the gravity in your house.
>>22178981
>being able to just "fix" a nuclear pulse rocket
this isn't like with a small plane where a single engine and a high glide ratio is better than a 2 engine plane where neither engine can power the craft. You lose your engine out in fucking space and you have no way to turn around or stop going foreward. Go the wrong speed and you'll miss what you're aiming at by hundreds of thousands of miles and die somewhere out in space. All with no legitimate chance of rescue.
>>22179018
But also this >>22178981
Mass is incredibly important in space travel, and engines are some of the heaviest parts of spacecraft.
>>22179014
That's not unique to the propulsion system though, it doesn't apply outside of a specific ship with a specific mass on a specific mission profile. The important statistic you should be focusing on for feasibly reaching high speeds is specific impulse.
>>22179018
the second engine is to slow down, without it you would have to go backwards to slow down to get into the orbit of your target. And nothing would need to be reversed, since all living quarters would be facing outward on the two rotating manned decks.
>>22179038
mass only matters for acceleration purposes. Without air resistance, a billion ton hulk accelerated to 1% of lightspeed will stay going that fast until you attempt to make it not.
>>22175457
Fucking this.
I'm sorry that some of you muh aesthetics people hate the idea of metal blobs as spaceships, but it's the most practical design in both mass and energy required to maneuver it.
also
>muh heat dissipation
>entire surface of the sphere is "feathered" with heat sink fins that also serve as armor
>>22179074
this
sphere is the best design for removing excess heat when properly utilized.
>>22179074
>heat sink fins form an interlocking grid away from the surface of the craft
>do the same as pic related against missile weapons
>>22179029
>not bringing engineers who can fix a nuclear pulse rocket on a nuclear pulse-powered colony ship
Why?
>>22179029
Well, you could technically use your weapons to decelerate or redirect your craft in an emergency...
>deploy laser sails rearward
>shoot lasers at it
>fire all mass drivers forward
>wait 3-4 years as the craft slowly grinds to a halt
>>22179165
>having an engines worth of spare parts
>not just having a second engine
>>22175216
Pretty much the same as they look now.
>there are people who think the second and third generation of armed space craft won't be increasingly designed with emphasis on aesthetics
Some dude or board of dudes somewhere will look at designs and say NOPE NO FAGGOT BUTTPLUG SHIPS IN MY NAVY. It happens with new ships and planes and guns and camo all the time. It always comes to someone's ability to make a case for their opinion and put the right people and money behind it.
More practically speaking, most modern space craft only look the way they do because they have to be ferried into orbit inside 3 meter tubes
Paperback pulp scifi neckbeard dreams will just remain dreams
>>22179212
>thinking second and third generation spacecraft won't have to still work
>>22179212
"An emphasis on aesthetics", give me a fucking break. No one's going to care about aesthetics when space china builds an ugly piece of shit that outperforms muh sleek unnecessarily aerodynamic shitpiece. They'll immediately start ripping off designs and the race of hideous space potatoes will begin. That's life.
>>22179240
space muhreens will probably insist on insane fucking requirements that have no basis on real life combat or practicality, and ruin the entire project from the get-go.
>B-BUT IS IT VTOL CAPABLE
>DOES IT HAVE BLAST DOORS FOR ARMORY
>E'RRY MUHREEN A LASER RIFLEMAN
>>22179240
Are you trying to form an argument of some kind? Design and function aren't mutually exclusive
Shitpost elsewhere
>Tfw you will never crush alien scum in the name of humanity.
>Tfw you will never order an orbital kinetic impactor strike on an alien village because it's sheltering rebels.
>Tfw you will never see the glory of a Leviathan class super dreadnought fire a full broadside into the hull of an enemy shop.
>Tfw you will never own a railgun capable of launching projectiles at 5% light speed.
How about instead of shitty metal ships, we just strap some xboxhueg engines to the planet and burn ourselves out of orbit?
>>22179260
No, I'm sure that would never happen
I can't believe I'm actually posting on day /k/
>>22179279
Don't you have a sprey circlejerk to go back to?
>planes are sexy so spacecraft are sexy
I don't know why I even bother responding to this inane bait.
>>22179265
you have a choice between a cigar shaped tube, a sphere, and a slightly shorter cigar shaped tube
You're going to need a big ass engine facing forward, a bigass engine facing aft, and a crew/passenger compartment that artificially generates gravity; everything else is inconsequential and open for "muh asthetics"
>implying people are going to want to look like they're in HALO at the expense of having gravity
>not wanting to travel to mars in style on the USA's Death Star you can see from earth as it orbits.
