So, I was thinking about how to make a true synthesis between the anti and our position on guns...or at least private sales.
The antis want, basically, to ban private sales...or at least force them to be done through an FFL.
We want the ease of going to armslist and doing an FTF transfer with bubba McFudd for his guns.
What if we were to add NICS status to driver's licenses and make it a felony to carry a license with the incorrect status? Changes of status would be notified to the carrier by mail from the state.
Then, you could make it a requirement for private sales to include a seller-maintained bill of sale that includes a photo of the buyer's DL.
This would basically make it so that everyone is carrying their background check on them, and provides something similar to the 4473 for records keeping.
It gets rid of unregulated private sales, but allows for the convenience of meeting bubba at walmart to buy a rifle.
Only gonna take one fake id. Also why does the state get to infringe on constituents rights?
>>30388121
>make it a felony to carry a license with the incorrect status?
>licence expires a month ago
>Gub'ment man shoots my dog
>burns my house down
>throws me in the federal butt pounder with jamal
great idea there anon what could go wrong?
Except for the whole fake licences like >>30388192 said and what is going to stop someone from buying a gun for someone else? Oh wait, nothing will, just like it always has. 2/10 you got some (you)s now go back to le ddit
>>30388192
>Also why does the state get to infringe on constituents rights?
what right is being infringed in this scheme that isn't already part of the current background check system?
>Only gonna take one fake id
If we're going to talk about ways to fuck the system, then we should just open a thread about how to build guns.
>>30388230
>make it a felony to carry a license with the incorrect status?
Incorrect NICS status.
If you're license expires, that's fine.
If you commit a felony/get committed/somehow get DQ'd from NICS and then get pulled with a license saying you're good to buy guns, then you go to jail.
Incorrect NICS status I should have said.
>>30388234
>somehow get DQ'd from NICS and then get pulled with a license saying you're good to buy guns, then you go to jail.
So I'm responsible to know if I'm still good to buy guns or my dog gets shot.
>>30388239
If you don't know whether you're a felon, insane or retarded, or charged with domestic abuse, then you're pretty fucking dumb to begin with.
Also, as it stands, it's a felony to fail a NICS check as it stands, so what's the difference?
>>30388121
>the anti's only want to ban private sales
But they don't. They want to ban everything. They just do it piece by piece, a little at a time.
NO MORE LAWS
Say it with me boys
SHALL
>>30388268
this isn't an infringement, but a legal regulation under the commerce clause, as is NICS in it's current form.
>>30388271
NOT
>>30388231
>what right is being infringed in this scheme that isn't already part of the current background check system?
You're right, no gun laws at all is the only answer until 2a is repealed and I hang your traitor neck from the capital rotunda.
Problem Solved; Question Answered
>>30388271
>not an infringement
1) Commerce is only regulable between states
2) Being able to purchase has been ruled by the SCOTUS as integral to "keep and bear"
3) Regulating the purchase/receipt of an out-of-state firearm is still infringement
4) Regulating what can and cannot transport said arms within commercial traffic and outside of individual traffic is perfectly acceptable
Thus, you can say firearms dealers can't ship firearms between states or into/out of the country in bulk, but you cannot legally restrict an individual from performing personal transport and acquisition. If anything, you can't regulate corporations either, given they have the same protections as individuals.
>>30388778
SUDDENLY
>>30388848
OR BY ANY MEANS
>>30388860
KINGZ
>have fake ID
>keep old license for transfers
nothing changes.
>implying tyreesespieces gives a shit when he sells is hot blaster to tayquand
how about not one inch, OP? i prefer that much more.
>>30388121
Why don't we just open up the registry for anyone, and require they use it for private sales?
>>30388251
Hey stranger
>>30388867
HADJAAR
>>30389826
Because then potential employers are pretty much guaranteed to use it to look up stuff that may be none of their business?
>why dont I just go on /k/ and shitpost bait threads
>>30388121
>The antis want, basically, to ban private sales...or at least force them to be done through an FFL.
>We want the ease of going to armslist and doing an FTF transfer with bubba McFudd for his guns.
WA passed 594 and going thru an FFL is no hassle.
I really don't see the problem with not being able to meet bubba in a walmart parking lot to buy a sporterized mauser.
>>30388121
This entire scheme relies on people following that law.
...which is what criminals wont do, and it just places undue burden on everyone that will follow it.
>tfw nothing stops me from making FALs in my garage.
>>30390144
>I really don't see the problem with not being able to meet bubba in a walmart parking lot to buy a sporterized mauser.
Therefore no one should be able to do it?
I dont see a problem with possession of child porn since no chilluns were actually hurt my the possessor, but when I go around spouting stupid opinions like that people think I'm stupid.
Likewise, I think you're stupid.
>>30388121
Common sense gun laws? There are already a fuck ton on the book, but they are not enforced.
>felons attempt to buy a gun, get denied no recourse
>felons caught with guns, out by dawn the next day
>parolee caught with a gun, no worries we will just add it on if we catch you doing something more serious
>oh you got 10years for a violent crime? Every month you dont get a write up in jail is on month subtracted from your time.
>oh you got caught robbing a store? well we dont have room for you in prison so you can have "back up time."
>>30390155
>I dont see a problem with possession of child porn since no chilluns were actually hurt my the possessor
Child porn requires victimization of a child to produce. Demand creates the market to make more.
>>30390216
By that line of thinking marijuana should be illegal due to the victimization of Mexican farmers by the cartel.
Yet everyone and their dog is hounding for its legalization.
>>30388234
you spelled NCIS wrong
>>30390249
Legalize weed and it shifts away from illicit, smuggling-based economics towards domestic farming and regulated, taxed internal economics. Not the same fucking thing at all.
![ncis[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/L86gEXU.jpg "ncis[1].jpg")
>>30390261
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System
>>30390286
not entirely correct.
There's a reason bootleg cigarettes and liquor still exist even though they only have a tax. you'll still see dirt farmers getting exploited for cheap crop.
besides, if you take away any real profit from weed, they'll only switch to meth or cocaine as their main source of profit. (if they already haven't that is)
>>30388121
Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.
God damn dude.... The only common sense behind gun laws would be their repeal wholesale. Gun laws protect no one. There has not been one mass shooting, drug murder, or mugging that was stopped by gun laws. There can be no compromise on the issue. Because gun owners don't actually get anything out of the deal. The "compromise" is anti-gun legislators simply saying "okay I'll only ban this, this, and this today. I can come back tomorrow." And then gun rights activists put out their newsletters and e-mails with a headline
> "We really Stuck it to 'em
>Score another one for gun rights
>Victory!
When in reality their so called victory was anything but. You know the reason California has new gun laws coming out every week whittling away at their citizen's rights? It's because in CA there is a large and vocal population of gun owners who fight as hard as they can to keep their firearms. But with Feinstein, Boxer, Newsom and all the other leftover flower children riding high on capitol hill, any stumble or hobble to the anti-gun agenda in the state is treated like a resounding victory.....which is reversed by back door deals a month later. They haven't won back a single provision of firearms rights in decades. Compromise isn't victory man.
>>30390363
But, again, still not the same thing as CP possession. Drawn stuff may be a gray area depending on laws and so on, and by some theory may even be a safe outlet for individuals with those tendencies. But the fact remains that live CP requires a victim. Period. There is no gray area there. And possession of it means actively supporting those producing it in some way, even if by merely presenting appreciation for making it. There is no "safe" form of it.
With weed, cigs, booze, etc., taxed regulated product that can be bootlegged, there's still that legal side of it.
>>30388121
Well, that wouldn't prevent the kind of problems you'd try to solve with this kind of legislation.
Let me illustrate: you're trying to block an already ineligible person from getting a firearm via means of a private transfer. That however assumes that the transferer will follow the process laid down in the law. What prevents him/her from just giving away the firearm (i.e. straw purchases/transfers for most gang weapons in the US)?
The answer would be controls by some entity, a necessary dependency is registration of firearms (to do it effectively).
In other words: once that gets in, you're on a slippery slope to firearms registration.
t. german fag, with firearms registration
>>30388121
How about you kill yourself.
NO PAPERS
Firearms should not be serialized.
>compromising
We already did that in 1934 and again in 1994. Fuck off.
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
NOT ONE INCH GIVEN
>>30390409
>live cp requires a victim.
No it doesn't.
>>30388121
"Shall Not Be Infringed"
Any limit you wish to apply to the Second, you should first try on any other amendment.
this actually sounds kinda ok
but you know it would get twisted in the process of getting passed
>>30393103
How the fuck is that a thing? There may be "fake" CP using adult actors role-playing, but that's not CP.
>inb4 pederast "they aren't a victim if they want it!"
>>30388121
Shall not be infringed
Your plan is stupid and so are you
Fuck off back to /leftypol/
>>30389929
we can already make it a pre employement requirement that employee candidates submit to a federal background check.
These pretty much have the same info as NICS.
>>30388121
Alright, I'll give you the long answer:
A long, long time ago, people didn't worry about the wrong people getting guns. Why? Because people who were mentally deficient were immediately locked away in sanatoriums and kept away from the public, never to be released until they were well and good fit to be in society (and thus, have a gun). As for those who were convicted of capital or otherwise infamous crimes (read: felonies), they were either locked away and had the key thrown away, or were hanged outside the courthouse. Away from the public and, by extension, guns.
Nowadays, liberals think criminals and crazy people being out among us is fine, but we just have to keep the guns away from them. But I ask you, if he couldn't be trusted with a gun, would you trust him with gasoline and a match? A backpack full of gasoline and a lighter could suffocate an entire subway car full of people in Manhattan. If a man could not be trusted with a gun, why would he be trusted with gasoline? Why, then, would he be trusted with access to Home Depot, where you can buy pretty much everything you need to make an SMG?
More specific to your idea, a fake ID can already get you past the 4473. Yes, you can pass NICS with a fake ID. This has been tested. What would stop a criminal from using a fake ID to purchase through private sales? That's assuming they won't continue to straw purchase them anyway, like they have for decades now.
Black markets and straw purchasing account for the vast, vast amount of guns purchased with criminal intent.
cont'd
>>30394209
Finally, let's say we want to empower the people with the ability to choose whether or not to sell a gun to someone else with more information. Why not, instead of requiring him to alert the FBI that he's searching Anon from /k/ (and thus telling them he's obtaining a gun), allow him to download the FBI's NICS database and run the search on as many people as he wants? This might not have been possible in the early 90's when 8 MB was a big fucking deal, but it should certainly be possible now to let private individuals download the NICS database. That'd be a lot of data, but it's certainly feasible.
First, this would protect the 4th amendment rights of those who would pass the check either way, because then there'd be no government record of the check. No paper trail = no government goons collecting 4473's to compile a confiscation list.
Second, this would allow people to restrict sales for other things, like knives, chemicals, vehicles, etc, while making informed judgements on the nature of their criminal record. Am I going to sell my flamethrower to a kiddie tickler? Hell no! Would I sell a gun to someone convicted of tax evasion? Sure, why not?
Third, letting the public have access to this means that, even if you search their computers to compile your list, you're going to have names like Barak Obama, Taylor Swift, Ben Garrison, and Mike Vinning in their search history. This much noise essentially throws a wrench into the plans of any government snoop.
>>30388121
>a true synthesis between the anti and our position on guns
Commie faggots love to steal money to buy the nigger's votes.
We believe in obeying the constitution and government fucking off.
The result:
Everyone gets a government funded pistol and rifle and those who make below a certain amount of money (proly the 'poverty line') get food stamps for ammo.
>tl;dr
We still get shafted for having our money stolen and being forced to fund criminals, but our rights are no longer infringed.
>>30394350
Liberals are always bitching about how people need firearms training. Why not make firearms classes a mandatory part of high school curriculum? We can build firing ranges at every school as well. There's always room near the shed next to the track field. Then when you graduate, along with your diploma, you get your choice between shitty surplus rifle wasting away in a government arsenal, or a shitty surplus pistol wasting away in a government arsenal.
>>30394209
>A long, long time ago, people didn't worry about the wrong people getting guns. Why? Because people who were mentally deficient were immediately locked away in sanatoriums and kept away from the public, never to be released until they were well and good fit to be in society (and thus, have a gun). As for those who were convicted of capital or otherwise infamous crimes (read: felonies), they were either locked away and had the key thrown away, or were hanged outside the courthouse. Away from the public and, by extension, guns.
/thread
We used to have a few million nutters locked up and now it's a few dozen thousand, even with our greatly larger population. We didn't get that good at fixing crazy, not even close.
Felon/felony is a meaningless term nowadays, there is no standard.
This lad has got it right.
>>30394391
I like it, it would mean the niggers wouldn't get guns because it would require graduation.
I guess I do support common sense gun reform after all.
>>30394446
*wouldn't get 'free' guns*
>>30388121
you can't have that conversation with most of the "shall not be infringed, not one inch" crowd that's around here
>>30394290
>giving more information on convictions to the public
What about infringing the right to privacy?
>>30388248
>charged with domestic abuse
>charged
So my girlfriend goes to the police and says I hit her and I get stopped on the way home from work with a felony charge?
also
>losing your guns because someone says you hit them
sounds pretty infringing desu.
Just make the NICS system open to everyone and free to use, then hire some egghead to make a smartphone app for it. And realllllllly encourage people to use it for all sales through an awareness program with ads on all the popular gun sites and shit. But don't make it mandatory. Most people around here ask to see a permit to carry or purchase for private handgun/salt wepun sales anyway, since nobody wants to be the dipshit who sold a gun to Abdul the next mall shooter.
>>30388121
This is kind of what CWPs are used for by many. To get or have it you can't be a prohibited person so presenting a CWP means you're not a nigger.
Here's a useful link from the ATF. Details where a CWP is legally as good as a background check for gun buying.
https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/permanent-brady-permit-chart
>>30396322
Convictions are public record though. That's how employers are able to check if you're a criminal before hiring you.
