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Newest acquisitions?
Favorite EDC knives?
Preferred sharpening methods?
>>27938770
Spyderco Caly 3.5 in ZDP-189 is my newest piece.
Thinned out the primary grind using a Norton Crystolon coarse.
Re-profiled the edge-bevel to ~7 degrees per side using s DMT XXC
Edge-bevel polished freehand using Sigma Power Select II stones to a 13,000 grit finish.
Micro-bevel using Spyderco F rods.
>>27938805
7 degrees??
I am assuming this is just a pocket razor and has been sharpened this way because you have the skills/tools to do it and not for any practical purpose?
From an EDC perspective it seems like a waste of steel and a sure fire way to chip your edge.
>>27938906
My EDC knives are typically used for food prep, cardboard breakdown and double layer clam-shell packaging.
I've never had any issues running my edge-bevels at ~7 degrees per side with a 15 degree per side micro-bevel. Besides that, technically it is thickness behind the edge that matters, not angles, and my knives are mostly around ~0.010" thick at 1/32" behind the edge.
Most modern production folders come with stock geometries that are designed around minimizing warranty claims from clueless users and looking "tough". I know people who run their *choppers* at 15 dps and ~0.025"-0.035" thick behind the edge, which is comparable to most production folders now.
Rohde Shark-Tail Necker in 52100
>>27938805
very nice.
>that mirrored edge
I got some new stuff the other day.
Condor Nessmuk
Condor Jungle Bowie 2
Cold Steel Smatchet & Chinese War Sword machete
Sog Gambit
(and a police baton)
Nothing special, just for fun. Going to be using the nessmuk for edc alongside my usual leatherman. Its got a good shape to its blade and handle. And I like that there's no snap on the sheath for easy in & out lol.
I am thinking of getting this:
http://www.galls.com/benchmade-adamas-automatic-knife-black?PMWTNO=000000000002141&PMSRCH=
And, this:
http://www.galls.com/leatherman-tools-charge-al-multi-tool?PMWTNO=000000000002141&PMSRCH=
I need new on duty knife and multi-tool. Mine are about broken. What does /k/ think or have recommendations of?
>>27939600
So how many of those does the Opinel outperform? Probably a few since Opinels are both thin and easy to sharpen.
>>27939519
The Nessmuk is an interesting choice. Scandi grinds are great for being easy to sharpen, but I prefer kydex sheaths for EDC fixed blades so I can wear them in-pocket.
my current edc. great little blade.
I bought a kershaw shuffle but the first version has nothing to hold your finger so if it slips your finger goes bye bye.
Been thinking about a Caly as I hear they're being discontinued.... I like the blade-handle ratio.
Also been considering the Nilakka or Paramilitary 2. Also Manix
two many decison niger
also hammered, may buy one while drunk
>>27940216
Who makes that?
>>27940236
I like my nilakka a lot
Heavier but it's a mean slicer
>>27940274
The Nilakka would be my first venture into a high-end EDC knife, been fucking around with mid tier Kershaw and Spyderco
I have a lansky kit, and will proably get a Spydero Sharp macer
As I understand it, the full flat grind is fairly fragile, but also very easy sharpen as there is no bevel, just a single plane from edge to spine, and with no faggot ken onion recuvre to sharpen
mostly to cut boxes and slice paper edge testing while I am bored
Y/N? apology foor poor english 8 beers for typing does not one good make
>>27940238
https://www.ltwrightknives.com/next-gen.html
>>27940236
Really, the choice between those models depends on what you want the knife to be good at.
The PM2 and Manix are both fairly robust designs that will handle some fairly hard use, the Nilakka is a much thinner grind behind the edge than those two and lacks any sort of hand or finger guard.
The Caly 3.5 in VG-10 is a good value and much easier to sharpen to a highly polished edge (or thin out for that matter), but I would avoid the ZDP-189 version unless you have the sharpening equipment to handle it.
>>27940330
I'm impressed, 1/8" at the spine and FFG is actually quite reasonable.
>>27940368
I was thinking about the bushcrafter hc (1075 hc steel) - it's 3/32'' at the spine, and a bit longer. Not that I regret going with the next gen, it's a great fit.
I particularly like full flat grinds, though I have to say, my Benchmade Bone Collector in d2 is one of the better cutting knives I own.
I don't have the tools to measure exactly how thin it is behind the edge, but it's sharpened at 20 degrees per side (1000 grit ceramic rod, because of the recurve).
>>27939673
None. Because my knives can be easily sharpened,can hold an edge fairly well,thick enough to be used as pry bars when needed,overly built handles, they also have pocket clips for easier access and most importantly can be opened and closed faster than the opinel can say "hon hon hon"
>>27940471
Yeah, I really prefer to use benchstone so I usually avoid knives with recurves. I sharpened one for a friend and I got quite annoyed at how long it took to sharpen on my Sharpmaker set, which I usually only use for micro-bevels.
I bought a cheap micrometer at an auto parts store to take measurements on my knives.
My newest fixed blade is this Calton Necker in 440C that is 0.070" thick at the spine and ~0.010" thick behind the edge (at my usual ~7.5 degrees per side with a 15 dps micro-bevel)
>>27940542
using a lansky turnbox it's no big deal to sharpen recurves, as long as the steel isn't retarded, but it works on my s30v north fork, which has a very similar blade, just a bit smaller. Just have to be careful not to fuck up the tip.
I just ordered a Kabar BK-16. Howd I do?
R8? Knife newbie here
>>27940845
>combo edge
>tanto
yep. You sound like a newbie all right. The crkt m16 is ok for the money, i guess, but for low budget (say 40 bucks), my top pick would be a kershaw link - really good design, made in the us, and it shows - really well put together, and good design too.
Then again, I haven't carried a folder in a long while.
>>27940791
decent. I don't use beckers, but people seem to like them, there has to be something to it.
Hey guys I found a knife with a parker cut. co. stamp on it and I try looking them up online but seems like the company is gone. Looks like people are collecting them but I have no idea what knife I got and was hoping you guys know anything about it.
Sorry for the potato quality pics
>>27940791
Breddy guud. Seems like a reasonable value priced alternative to an ESEE 4 and suitable for a similar scope of work.
>>27939702
right on, im a big fan of pocket carry myself. my wallet, flashlite, & mutlitool are all pocketclipped... if thats the sheath (in the pic) you edc, just how do you carry it if you dont mind? or are you saying you just stick it in your pocket loose like?
crummy pic i know (im on my break in my car), buts heres that nessmuk. I went with it over the bushlore as I had a hunch id like the feel of that hump against my thumb in a choked up grip. Im glad I went it, has a natural feel to it.
I had an idea I could use the condor jungle bowie 2 for edc, but its too long. Do you have a preference for blade length for edc?
>>27940791
did good
great knife, love mine. have a 17 and 11 also.
Got this yesterday.
>>27941699
Mmm Parker Imai
>>27942274
Basically, I attached a pocket clip to the kydex sheath using a Chicago screw, this allows me to wear the sheath clipped to the inside of my jeans pocket like a folder.
When drawing the knife, I just have to make sure the top of the kydex sheath comes out above the pocket line so that I can re-sheath the knife after use without risking cutting the fabric.
It actually works quite well.
>>27942692
have you tried IWB arry? My enyo has a very slick IWB sheath - very nice and concealable. Being 3/16'' thick it's not a great slicer, but s36vn takes a very agressive edge for cutting.
Mora Precision Pro and Victorinox Climber, blade shape is like that from the factory.
>>27942447
Thanks had no idea who Seizo Imai was but seem like he really cared about quality knives now I need to find the model type
>>27942692
thats pretty clever.
never seen it done like that before
>>27939600
How's the folder on the bottom right?
>>27940845
I had one like it for one of my first knives too. Always liked the solid noise it made when it swung open and snapped into place.
A tip if ur looking to ease the locking motion. I super glued the safety lock catch so I never had to be bothered with it.
>>27942357
such a cool design. the blade, handle, and guard
>>27940321
its not true FFG anymore there is a slight micro bevel and they dont have the heat treat problem anymore which was the biger issue, the friction from sharpening was fucking the heat treat at the edge, which they fixed. Steel type could be better but as you see from that picture it cut the lip of a plastic bottle in half with no edge damage.
I think you would love this knife, i fucking love mine and east cardboard and plastic.
The 17 degree setting on the lansky is about spot on for me
>>27938770
Actually, a Caly 3.5 with G10 scales was my main EDC for like 3 years, just got a Centofante to replace it because I'm afraid of fucking it up or losing it
Just got this Espada XL tonight.
>>27944295
Are you a jrpg character
>>27944295
Man, is that ever ugly.
>>27940274
>>27943957
>Unergonomic handle design
>zero protection to prevent fingers from slipping up onto blade
> giant retarded cutout on the handle for the liner disengage, edge of the liner would be uncomfortable as fuck when gripping firmly
>gaping hole in the blade
What a piece of garbage. Only Spydershills would ever buy this shit
>>27944295
It may not be the prettiest thing ever built, but I'm glad such a huge folder exists in the first place, I'd buy one.
>>27944342
>>27944342
dont really stab much with it or any edc knife i have ever had so hand slip just isnt a real issue for me
the hole is for thumb deployment and without it this one wouldnt work well
Ergos are a personal decision and it feels fine for me but you can always buy different scales
I notice the liner cut out more with a stronger grip but i dont think i will be gripping that strong for the length of time to make it matter
I only wish it had a choil
none of it matters because i got this knife because i liked the way it looks and im glad it does well enough for me for edc
>>27945427
>none of it matters because i got this knife because i liked the way it looks and im glad it does well enough for me for edc
That's fine. Just be aware you are using a knife that is objectively flawed in a few ways.
At least they got the pocket clip right.
I posted in the last one but only had my work knife, which is what I carry at work.
Other than that I usually have my randall knife on me.
I know it's in rough condition, but it's all a good 40 some odd years older than your average 4channer, and it has been used as a TOOL, not a decoration for every single year of it. It's been used for everything from cutting fishing line to hammering nails to prying metal apart to cutting firewood.
I've been meaning to polish it lately as I've slowed down it's usage the last couple of years just from myself not being active anymore, and do something about the horrid chips in the blade, but I rarely notice unless I'm cutting something small like string or fishing line and it slips in.
Doesn't really matter when you're hacking in to a piece of wood or rubber
>>27938962
Can someone explain why you would have a 7 degree edge but use a 15 degree micro bevel?
>>27945907
That is a really nice knife. It's had a fun hard life (like a knife should) but I definitely think it has earned a refurb. Full mirror polish and a nice new bevel. Please post results when completed.
>>27944342
I don't see any issue with the Tuff. Looks perfectly functional and pretty cool
>>27944342
>ignoring manix, endura, delica, military, paramilitary, paramilitary 2,and sage
>>27944295
I actually like how it looks, albeit i prefer the large
>>27942357
>nonmetal cross guard
>>27944342
>Makes troll post about Spyderco's
>Omits all the functional designs like the:
>Paramilitary 2
>Manix
>Endura
>Stretch
>Delica
>Dragonfly
>Caly 3 and 3.5
>Junior
>Ambitious
>Persistence
>Tenacious
>Sage
>Chaparral
>Expects to be taken seriously
Wew lad
>>27943250
Yeah, once I figured out that I could carry a fixed blade that way I mostly stopped buying production folders and I mostly buy 6.5" - 7" OAL fixed blades by custom makers now.
>>27946086
I use a micro-bevel on my knives because it allows a lower edge bevel angle while still being strong enough for my cutting tasks, so cutting performance is increased without making the edge too fragile.
It also makes it easy to keep the apex touched up between uses for some time, similarly to the way a loaded strop would but without the risk of rounding over the apex excessively that a strop has.
Why 7 and 15 degrees specifically? Seven because I am relying on a large amount of testing done on some forums that show that an edge-bevel between 6-8 degrees is strong enough to carve wood without damage, much less anything I would be doing with it.
15 for the micro-bevel because its the lowest setting on my Spyderco's Sharpmaker that I use to set apex micro-bevels, and because at double the edge bevel angle it is able to cut off any burr left from shaping the edge bevel, making it easier to set a clean, straight apex.
>>27945907
Shit taste.
Also, there's absolutely no excuse to not take care of that Randall's blade or that sheath.
>>27946271
>>27946555
I guess you guys are right. not ALL spydershit is shit. Hell, I even own a delica and don't mind it. However this doesn't change the fact that Spyerco has to pump out hundreds of shit designs just to get 10 or so ones that are decent by chance
>>27946606
Many thanks
>>27946606
What would be sharper, a 15 degree bevel sharpened to 10,000 grit or a 20 degree bevel sharpened to 16,000 grit?
>>27947340
Technically, sharpness is a function of how thin the very apex of the edge is, and changes in edge bevel angles only have a small influence on this because they all ultimately can terminate in an apex of similar width (pic related).
What angle can influence is thickness behind the edge, which has a significant effect on cutting ability (how much force is required to make a cut) but not sharpness per se.
Grit finish, on the other hand, mainly affects whether the knife is better at push cutting or slicing. It is possible for a 400 grit edge to be as sharp as a 13,000 grit edge, but one will push cut newsprint and the other will slice rope extremely well.
>>27947483
Informative, you know your shit
>>27938770
Poorfag reporting in.
Just bought this ka-bar folder for $20. I needed a new edc knife, my old one was tearing holes in my pants because of its sharp corners. It's actually really hard to find a cheap knife that doesn't have serrations or pointy corners or other gimmicky bullshit, this is the simplest there was.
Anyone know if these are any good? Does ka-bar actually make them or do they brand some chinese junk?
>>27948116
Dunno about them much, if it's USA it'll say it somewhere on the knife. I handled a few of those budget kabar folders in a store, they didn't seem too horrible.
>>27948762
yeah, I don't think I could have done any better for $20.
It really makes me mad how all the budget knives are so gimmicky. $10 should be able to get you a good, basic 440 steel folder, but no one fucking makes a simple one. They're all half serrated, assisted open, shaped like guns or some other bullshit.
>>27948808
Have you heard of our lord and savior,ganzo?
>>27947483
I use a lansky, and even with the yellow holder/white stone, i cannot get my straightrazor sharp enough to cut hair...... cuts papertowels no prob (when I wipe off the oil)
tips?
>>27948808
yeah. unless you want something like schrade old timers.
everything else is just chinese stuff. which isnt all horrible.
>>27948858
like he said. or you could buy some of the ripoffs like a fake sebenza for $20. in fact, kind of seems like the perfect thing for you.
you can find them, plus ganzo, enlan, etc. on aliexpress or dhgate
>>27946282
>Oh no, the thing that prevents his hand from sliding onto the blade might get cut if he has to fight some ninjas!
>>27948902
The little stainless steel one?that one pretty nice but for some reason mine started rubbing the frame after a month of use.cant really fix it though if i tighten the screw all the way it recenters it but doesnt lock up properly.
>>27948983
Maybe you could throw a tiny washer in there
How is the izula 2 for edc? Anyone here carry one? I'd really like to get one for cc.
>>27948858
No, I hadn't, sounds cool. They basically all look like the few mtechs that don't suck, that will definitely be my next folder I buy
>>27948902
I thought about it but I hate the lockbacks on those schrades
>>27946555
>>27944342
More importantly, a lot of those designs are aesthetically displeasing, but incredibly ergonomic and functional (Kiwi, Tuff, Kukri) built for a specific task (Civilian, Caspian Salt), or the design of a collaboration with a custom knifemaker (just about everything else pictured.) A knife can only be faulted for its looks if it's not functional as well as ugly.
Does anyone here make their own knives?
I've just finished my first knife today and was wondering what I could do better if at all possible
will post more in a sec
>yes I know, shitty phone camera
>>27949502
>>27949502
More shank than a knife. Good for stabbing Jamal in the ass, cooking prep use, or whittling wood, but it's kind of skinny for regular use.
But it's just my opinion; I like buck-knife styles with a fatter blade.
>>27949514
and here it is in the little stand I made for it from an old chunk of sledgehammer handle
a little about it:
>forged from a bolt that was not grade 5 or grade 8 but instead it had 4 radial lines so I just assumed it was a medium carbon steel akin to grade 5 or so
tools used:
>homemade charcoal forge
>2 1/2lb french style machinist's hammer
>14" long railroad track piece turned anvil that is older than my grandfather
>no. 9 klein lineman's pliers and some long skinny needlenose to get it out of the fire
>>27949583
I like buck style knives better too and hope to make much larger knives from some tool steel later on when I learn more but for now bolts of unknown origin and composition will have to do
>>27949613
here is the forge and setup that was used
>note the pipe with an air nozzle shoved into it and vice grips on the handle for air speed adjustment because there was no other way
>>27949502
I've been wanting to get my uncle to teach me how to beat some metal into shape but I don't seem to make time.
>>27949680
I was bored on my day off last week, drank a few beers and watched 4 hours of blacksmithing videos on youtube and was like "fuck I need to build a forge so I can do manly shit with a hammer" so that sunday I bought/acquired the shit I needed and just decided to build the thing
>>27949735
in other words nobody taught me other than the internet, just remember this one thing: the steel may look black and cold but that shit is still too fucking hot to pick up even with gloved hands
>>27949735
I don't have a decent workspace for shit like that, either. Garage is too small to accomodate it plus my car & whatnot.
>>27949613
yeah... even grade 8 bolts have less than .4% carbon. Your maximum hardness would be around 38-45 HRC if you were lucky enough to guess the temperature upon quenching.
>>27949798
a couple questions
1.what grade is the bolt I had? it just had 4 radial lines like pic related, I have looked for this and found nothing
2.what scrap materials would make good knives? I already know lawnmower blades, leaf springs and rail spikes are out of the picture
>>27949798
one more question: what liquid is best to quench in water, used motor oil? unicorn piss?
>>27949750
I've done basically the exact same thing as this, except I went stock removal rather than forging due to my tiny back yard that's shared with another house. I have a knife that'll be done tomorrow or Monday so I'll have pictures to post soon.
>>27949989
This depends on the steel, if you're usingg a simple tool steel like O-1, 1084 or 1095, then oil of pretty much any kind is the good stuff. Most stainless steels are air hardened, which is really best left to a company that routinely handles the stuff. Water really isn't used much with modern steels.
>>27950092
okay, thanks
I've just been using used motor oil from my truck, but I have thought about trying to do a sort of quench in bearing grease so I don't drip black oil all over everything. what do you think?
>>27950135
Not actually totally sure about the bearing grease, but I'm sure someone on the Internet somewhere has done it. I'd think it probably wouldn't work as well as used motor oil though, because if bubbles form in the grease they'll prevent the steel from cooling quickly enough. The same thing can happen in oil but not to the same extent.
>>27948879
I don't think any of the Lansky systems are really designed to hit the angles a straight razor needs nor to be fine enough. I recommend you Google some straight razor forums and do some reading on recommended sharpening progressions for straight razors.
>>27949045
Do you really need the toughness of the thick profile and toughness focussed heat treatment in an EDC blade? Don't get me wrong, it will work, but unless you really need the robustness I'd look for something thinner run at higher hardness by a custom maker.
