What is the deal with military forces using camo that obviously cannot camouflage?
IDK, probably something to do with lobbying and the Military Industrial Complex.
Whats with the picture of empty forest? Pic not related?
>>30331727
Here's the story.
Canada's army didn't want to look like the American army anymore, so they decided to design their own camouflage. It was a good camouflage. They called it CADPAT.
The US Marines also didn't want to look like the US army anymore, so they said
>Hey Canadabros, can we look at the work you did on CADPAT? We think it's the tits!
And Canadabros said
>Oh you like our camouflage, eh? Sure! Just don't copy it directly, make it slightly different.
So the Marines took CADPAT and made some modifications, like changing the palette to work in places Marines are apt to find themselves like deserts, added little EagleGlobeAnchor doodads so they could copyright it or trademark it or whichever one applies. They called it MARPAT.
Now the Army was feeling left out. But instead of asking the Canadians or the Marines if they could could borrow the previous work, or just doing their own original work,they just stole the patterns. To try to trick everyone into think it's not stolen work they had to make it unrecognizable somehow. They decided to try a single palette for every environment. This is dumb, but they tried it anyway.
When they tested their new monstrosity it tested the worst out of everything they tried. But it would be too embarrassing to admit they stole a pattern, fucked it up, and made the worst camouflage in the world. So they adopted it and sent people to fight two desert wars in blue uniforms.
Hooah! Army Strong!
>>30333119
Why is the Army run by morons?
>>30333119
Caanda was using OD before CADPAT. They looked like the U.S. army if it were from the 60's 70's. Army and Canadians developed Cadpat together, U.S. Army dropped CADPAT because of bean counters. USMC shows the Army up by using the Army and Canadian research to make their own pattern. Then being the USMC and being a bunch of dicks copyrighted their pattern so nobody else can use it. The first time this has ever been done. This makes Army angry because when they developed glorious M81, they didn't copyright it and instead shared with the other branches.Therefore Army rushes UCP into existence without any testing and uses it more as a marketing/pr tool than practical camo.
TL;DR The USMC is a bunch of dicks that actually copyright a fucking camo pattern preventing other branches in the same country they serve from using it so they can feel special about themselves.
>>30333175
The butterbars of forty years ago are today's generals. Back in the early 80s everyone with a brain was trying to make money in the private sector and there wasn't a big war on, so only the real dweebs, losers, and military otaku became lifers.
>>30333119
>>30333255
These two posts should be part of all military history curriculum,
>>30331727
I always thought UCP is for urban operations, which it is not exclusively for.. It works okay on gray streets and buildings
>>30333318
and
>>30333215
for filling-in/correcting details I missed.
>>30333331
Except the streets they've been to were always a shade of reddish brown.
unless of course it's a ruse and they made a superflage to fight on the streets of NY or Chicago.
zog wants you to die
I like the army's new camo
>>30333119
What about NWU type II/III?
>>30333119
/thread obviously
I'd like to add something though. The US Army blatantly ignored huge tests that were implemented to find a good new camo pattern. The pattern that they ended up issuing was actually a part of those tests before the UCP adoption. To reiterate, Crye Industries actually made a version of Multicam and the army TURNED IT DOWN before eventually adopting that same pattern after UCP got some people shot. In the recent trials MultiCam was found to give upwards of 90% concealment in transitional environments, 70% in woodland, and 60% in arid environments. UCP gave 20%, 30%, and 30%.
>>30333331
>It works okay on gray streets and buildings
Not really. The grey is too blue.
https://www.milspecmonkey.com/index.php/articles-page/63-articles/454-a-real-urban-grey
Chinese Marines is clearly leading in term of impractical camo.
>>30334426
>deal with it
i tough UCP was made for the national guard incase of civil unrest in major American urban cities
>>30334609
Why would you think that? There are no credible sources anywhere that make that claim. Besides, MARPAT Desert scored better for urban settings.
>>30331727
Fun fact of the day, the ACU wearing man in the picture is an Observer Controller (OC) for helping during training excercises. Just like, every picture of soldiers in UCP in europe shared on /k/ almost. But of course, the average civilian doesn't know shit about the military so I will let you off the hook.
>>30334701
Why does that matter? The pattern is the same.
>>30334609
DELETE THIS!
>>30334729
Its, actually not the same. Forward deployed units in the Army, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Europe, basically all the places that matter draw from RFI and get multicam everything. Its been that way for several years now. And even right now they stopped issuing UCP ACU's. So bashing on an already dead camoflauge pattern, is nothing short of memefaggotry and shitposting now, this isn't 2010 anymore.
>>30334755
>bashing on an already dead camoflauge pattern
OP is asking about it, which implies that he wanted the backstory and reasoning behind it. Nobody is claiming that the pattern is still in use with forward units in Afghanistan. They're stating, correctly so, that UCP was a huge mistake.
>Its been that way for several years now
That's not a long time considering UCP was in service for over a decade, is still issued, and still has a retarded vocal apologist minority who actually defend it's effectiveness.
What was wrong with M81 for woodland camo, besides the fact that we don't fight in the woods much anymore? I admit to knowing nothing on relative camo effectiveness but it looks sweet.
>>30334701
>offers no information whatsoever
>literally types "lol ur dum" and leaves
Good, get the fuck out of here. Useless cunt.
Why don't they use hunting camouflage, or at least something like it?
>>30334755
>So bashing on an already dead camoflauge pattern
I asked why it was ever used to begin with...which other people already answered.
Why are you doing this?
>>30334913
Deer and humans perceive light differently.
>>30331727
Because sometimes Army's outfit their soldiers in a uniform that matches the surrounding of the current theater in which they are fighting.
>>30334944
Yeah, I uh, understand that already.
I'm asking about the times when they don't.
>>30334963
You think they are going to design a completely new uniform just because of some exercise innawoods?
>>30334944
Uh oh....
>>30334989
So instead of throwing a pasta at me show me the ultimate camo.
>>30334986
Look, if you're not going to even try answering my question, don't reply to the thread.
>>30335035
Then the deal is it's against regulations.
Are you happy now or are you going to go further with your autism?
>>30335017
Mossy oak mothfucker.
>>30335017
>show me the ultimate camo
What, why? I was just saying that ucp does not work in the theaters that the army is fighting in. Therefore, the burden of proof falls on you to prove that it actually does work. We're still sticking with the English language here.
>>30334426
I still question why this camo pattern exists. I suspect once things get actually heated it'll get dropped, but are there any photos of this pattern/coloration working in an environment.
>>30334890
It is much less effective than many other modern woodland patterns (see Natick BDU testing results from 2009 in post picture: >>30334345).
There's nothing "wrong" with it really, it's just outdated.
>>30334840
You mean 1 guy, mr. Lost1nspace
>>30335677
The french still use a variant of it in CCE, and it seems to remain pretty damn effective. Seems like a slight colora change would be enough to revitalize it a bit.
>>30335674
Because water is blue and were soldiers of the sea lel
>>30335017
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>>30335714
You might be right. I haven't really looked into CCE at all. I do know that one of the overall biggest issues that the army had with M81 was its overall reflectivity. Most modern woodland patterns have a relatively lighter albedo compared to old patterns. This problem is one that, like you said, could be remedied with a recolor.
>>30334904
>the guy in the picture is on OC
>not information
Still basing terrible camouflage arguments off a staff NCO training people, and not people who actually fight for the Army. Everytime someone shares a picture of UCP in the forrest, its almost always some national training unit in Germany. top kek.
I guess its my fault I suck at being able to identify where these people work, its not like I been stationed in Germany or anything.
>>30335035
>if you're not going to even try answering my question
He literally answered your question. And no, the Army isn't going to design a new uniform for every combat enviorment we are going to go into.
>>30335783
>Everytime someone shares a picture of UCP in the forrest, its almost always some national training unit in Germany
Where the fuck else would it be? The army isn't deployed in Russia. Less than 2% pf the US army's infantry are stationed in higher latitudes. I'm thinking training exercises in Europe makes sense for UCP pictures in forests. IT DOES NOT CHANGE HOW SHITTY THE PATTERN IS. Stop lying to yourself.
Eagle Industries' MJK khaki color is really nice, fits desert type camo as well as tropical.
>>30335677
>that was done in the Natick labs
No shit. I have a bunch of family there.
>>30331727
'merica is dumb.
We use a terrible primary weapon platform (ar15, princess range gun that needs attentive cleaning and lubing), terrible secondary (m9, heavy as shit, upside down safety on the fucking slide), ugly ass blue pajamas as a uniform, the humvee is shit and break down all the time. I could go on.
But let's discuss our cops now: use Fords d Chevys that break down all the time, mostly use glocks, mostly use .40...
>>30335850
What other weapon should they use tho? Also aren't they planning on chaning out the humvees now?
>>30335017
He wont. His other shit-ass thread died, and he is trying to call me out again after I pwned the shit outta him and his multicam boner.
Its basically a thread where he wants to learn more, but wants you to spoonfeed him.
SO basically Fuck OP, and FUCK Multicam.
>>30335850
We don't use AR-15s, the Uniform has a story behind it, and the humvee IS shit.
>>30335850
too bad nothing has been worthwhile enough to replace almost every gun in our inventory
let's say the AR is a 5/10
there's been nothing 7-9/10 worth paying out the nose for in retooling, retraining, and replacement
>>30335881
>His other shit-ass thread died
I don't have any other threads.
>I pwned the shit outta him and his multicam boner
Pic related.
>>30335017
too easy bruh
>>30335908
you used these exact images in the other thread faggit.
>>30334345
>>30334989
>>30335764
And I'll have to tell you again because youre fuckin retarded. Multicam has colors for everything in it, so at least 2 colors will pop out whereever you go. Dirty ACU on the otherhand, will conceal you quite well anywhere as long as you are in the shade.
So fuck you cunt, and fuck your infatuation with multicam. If the USmil picked MLP uniforms with spraypainted dicks on it, we all know you would be making threads about how well it works everywhere and how can any other camo even compete. So tl;dr: kys.
>>30335881
Can you link to this "pwnage"? If you're right, I feel like this would be the first time in history someone arguing for UCP would have had a victory.
>>30334426
What in the bittersweet fuck is that monstrosity?
>>30335985
Looks like USN blue and gray camo with digital poop stains. They must be training for an engagement with India.
>>30335818
I never said UCP was good. I was directly attacking the images you faggots use. Which ironically are always a product of the same training environment. Its misleading and is tantamount to saying "hey everyone look at the shitty UCP the army is using" when in fact, if SHTF the other 99% of seventh army's forward force is not using UCP at all.
TLDR The US Army doesn't have a UCP problem anymore, its a dead horse.
>>30335944
>dirty ACU
Oh, I remember what thread you are from, you got bootyblasted by a ton of anons calling you retard for defending it and comparing it to UCP.
>>30335999
"Brownjin you must use loo or fear our poo!"
>>30335764
Doesn't the material and method of manufacturing have more of an effect on reflecting IR than the pattern itself? I don't see how MARPAT would be that much more reflective than say us4ces camo when they basically use the same dithering effect to achieve camo effect.
>>30334426
Eh, I think it looks pretty. So what if a couple of thousand Chinese die because of it? They have more where that came from.
>>30333215
>USMC is dicks
Well yeah. They issue out ACOGs like iron sights and neuter the F-35 with their special snowflake requirements and they still bitch about budget issues.
>>30335958
Not that Anon, but I believe this is the thread if ACU-fag or whatever getting buttblasted >>30332265
>>30335944
>>30335944
>Dirty ACU
Oh fuck, you're this guy. It's U...C...P, UCP, okay?
>Multicam has colors for everything in it, so at least 2 colors will pop out whereever you go
That isn't how...any camouflage works. Camouflage patterns have two properties, blending AND breaking up shape. Blending is, as you are describing, having a color that closely matches the surrounding environment. Breaking up is, as you obviously lack any concept of, the ability for the pattern to break up the overall silhouette of the soldier with...get this...contrasting colors. Contrast is not only necessary, but it is a fundamental function of patterns as opposed to solid colors. Patterns like MARPAT and MultiCam have colors which one may not necessarily find in the environment in order to give the break up effect. For example, the color black is not abundant in nature. It is included specifically for contrast.
>will conceal you quite well anywhere as long as you are in the shade
Shaded areas are not different from lit areas in terms of what's needed in a camouflage. Yes, shade often helps a soldier conceal himself, but that's due to the intrinsic properties of human visual acuity. ALL patterns work better in low light because humans see worse in low light.
You are obviously woefully misguided when it comes to camouflage, but don't take my word for it:
Pic related is some light reading about the basic properties of camouflage and it is necessary for you to read all of it.
>>30336151
Finally someone with a brain and knowledge, here have some dubs.
>>30336051
>Oh, I remember what thread you are from
Im surprised you can recall 6 hours ago, normally your memory is on par with a freshwater fish.
>>30336151
>Patterns like MARPAT and MultiCam
you just linked how MARPAT is the same as CADPAT and how the army ripped it off and called it ACU here>>30333119
Now u wanna argue how multicam and marpat are good?
>>30333009
1/10
>>30336247
No, it's just once I leave a thread I tend to forget about them, I don't take any of the stuff there personal and meep about it in other threads. But thanks for confirming that was you, and thank you for being today's crybaby.
>>30333009
It's not empty you dumbass. Two guys are laying down in the foreground, plain as day.
>>30336219
>>30336263
>>30336151
hey guy, you aint foolin anyone, there are still 19 posters in this thread. stop being a little samefagging bitch.
Here, find the multicam. Its the first thing that pops out at you.
>inb4 "cherrypicking"
I can do this allllll day bitchboy, however, unlike you, I actually have better shit to do than argue with a fuckin halfbrained retard on an anonimoose anuspic exchange board.
>>30336247
1. I didn't write that
2. MARPAT and UCP are not functionally similar AT ALL
3. I is painfully obvious that you know the absolute least about camouflage everything on /k/ right now
>>30336295
E for effort.
>>30336295
>o-oh fuck I'm being buttblasted again, b-better go for the samefaghing boogeyman meme
>better things to do
Clearly not when you cross thread shitpost about "dirty ACU" all day
>>30336336
>posting with your phone AND your computer
get a life kiddo.
Here, find the ACU
>>30331727
Worn UCP is honestly a pretty solid rocky desert / sandnigger city pattern.
It's just a bad universal pattern and an abysmal woodland pattern.
>>30336336
oh look, ACU wins again....
>>30336342
Yeah, I even went as far as changing the time. I'm at my cabin, I don't bring my pc because I have no need for it here unless I have work to be done. Hence why I'm posting from a mobile using mobile data.
>>30336348
Check this shit out. 3-color BDU beats multicam in woodlands.
>>30336342
>>30336295
I guess I could do this all day too. It's probably better to take evidence from objective military testing rather than random images on the Internet.
>>30336366
>>30336355
>>30336342
>>30336295
>mfw this is what defeat looks like
>>30336342
>>30336295
can someone circle that shit, honestly can't find anything but i have suspicions
>>30336386
No point in even replying at this point, just purposely making himself look retarded so he can claim he was only trolling in the end.
>>30336295
Did you read the pic: >>30336151?
It's really important for me that you do.
>>30336393
>>30336409
>>30336386
haha you faggots fell for the bait truly k is easiest board to trolololol
>>30336425
is there something wrong with my eyes? Even though you circled it I still can't see the camo. Is ACU really THAT good!?
>>30336430
>merely pretending
>>30333009
Kek
>>30336393
multicam is right in the center of that pic, next to ACU and even more left is MARPAT.
>>30336373
As I said before, it doesnt do too well out in the open in direct sunlight. Also, that isnt dirty.
>>30336416
>It's really important for me that you do.
aint got time for that shit. Have some more visual evidence. I know your attention span doesnt last more than a few seconds.
Which guy pops out first?
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1eO9sAh.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>30336484
>aint got time for that shit
Yeah, clearly.
>>30336416
>It's really important for me that you do
Great progress.
That was SUPER non-passive aggressive. The lessons are taking shape young SJW,'
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You're better off with a nice REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>30336484
>As I said before, it doesnt do too well out in the open in direct sunlight
>as I said before, I'm a mongoloid who thinks shade changes colors
>>30336484
>As I said before, it doesnt do too well out in the open in direct sunlight. Also, that isnt dirty.
artist here.
Green in sunlight is same green in shade.
There is no shadow. There is only areas not hit by primary lightsource. Shadows are not some magical portals to alternate dimension where physics behave differently.
>>30331727
>all this shitposting
The good news is I isolated the tipping point, >>30336151 was pretty much the coups de gras for ucp man. I'm sure you'll return to shitpost another day you brave sonofabitch.
>>30336268
>>30336293
literally retarded
>>30334928
Are you implying reatree is not effective against human eyes?
>>30336546
>physics
>having anything to do with luminescence
How bout you just stick with your contemporary fingerpainting....
>>30336498
anything will stick out in sunlight with shaded areas directly behind it, shitheap.
>>30336596
>>physics
>>having anything to do with luminescence
>How bout you just stick with your contemporary fingerpainting....
Hah. How does it feel to know that even people who are stuck doing contemporary fingerpainting for a living are not as retarded and miserable as you
>>30334913
Hunting camouflage is meant to blend in extremely well to a very specific environment. Works great, except that the military doesn't have the luxury of being able to change their uniforms based on each different forest they're in, and then change them when they walk out into grassland too
>>30336596
>anything will stick out in sunlight with shaded areas directly behind it
While there is some truth to that, it is also the case that direct sunlight in the open is the best way to test a pattern. Pictures that have dudes huddled in a shady nook show the ability of the user to conceal himself, but do not reveal anything important about the pattern's effectiveness.
>>30336613
go look up what physics mean kiddo. Dont forget to wash your hands before mommy gives you dinner too.
>>30336645
Holy shit, no wonder you get being BTFO so hard. You must've dropped out of kindergarden to believe that light is LITERALLY magic.
Go on. Tell us all what light is, don't google it because moving goalposts and backpedalling is nowhere near as funny as your retarded reply. You could be screencap famous if you're stupid enough
>>30336645
physics is singular and color is a reflection of the structure of an object on a molecular level. physics.
>>30335764
Multicam tropical looks just like those helmet covers they had in Vietnam.
>>30334426
They want you to notice them...
>>30336682
>â–¶
damn it man I wanted to have a giggle on an narrowminded trailer trash cunt
>>30336645
You are SO stupid.
>>30336645
>that statement
>that pathedic ad hominem calling other person a child
>that overall attitude
there is NOT A SINGLE WAY any adult would go back to calling others a child as an insult.
Like this guy must be 15 AT BEST
>>30333119
top kek
>>30336682
Molecular physics has next to nothing to do with refraction of photons. and that isnt what he was getting at. he specifically stated
>Shadows are not some magical portals to alternate dimension where physics behave differently.
in an attempt to parrot another similar retort towards stupid people, yet it is completely the wrong context.
>>30336675
still waiting on the definition of physics Picasso.
>>30336747
The D and T keys are nowhere near each other on a keyboard. Youre fuckin retarded.
>>30336733
Good 1 pal. totally got me thar.....
>>30336750
>Molecular physics has next to nothing to do with refraction of photons
That isn't true.
>>30336747
Just a guy who got BTFO'd twice in two different threads and is now damage controlling. Guys probably bought $500 worth of ACU milsurp or something and is trying to convince himself it was a good buy.
>>30336750
>still convinced his IQ is in double digits
Hilarious pray continue.
Enlighten us because we are so obviously wrong
>>30336750
>Molecular physics has next to nothing to do with refraction of photons.
>that moving goalposts
>that reading comprehension
You must've accidentally changed your text color from ACU to something that works because I can't think of another plausible excuse of why you can't find the point
>>30336750
Don't even need to say this guy is retarded, he does it himself.
>>30335850
oh yeah, the platform sf from around the world use over their own service rifle is somehow terrible. begone retard.
>>30334426
Live free in the NC.
>>30333331
There's actually one place where UCP kinda works: West Point. The training area is full of lichen-covered boulders that blend perfectly with UCP. But anywhere else it's total shit.
>>30339269
Works in the rock pits of Ft. Benning and Bragg for jump training too. Not that it matters at all.
![120212-F-EI771-135w[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0A2tHOG.jpg "120212-F-EI771-135w[1].jpg")
>>30339281
pic related
>>30335850
>>30331727
>forgetting the sharpshooter in the foreground
![479995[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BpCzxqT.jpg "479995[1].jpg")
>>30336025
>Its misleading
If the pattern sucks and the pictures demonstrate that, what could be misleading about it? Those pictures do nothing to suggest that the pattern is still in use in Afghanistan, especially considering they're all in forests.
Also, way does it matter that the pictures are in Europe? All of the pictures of infantrymen training in the US show the exact same problems with the pattern.
>>30334426
I don't get it why did you put a pic of an empty field
>>30334736
What is this meme?
>>30339269
Looked decent in the Korengal Valley. Still not as good as OCP though.
>>30336025
>TLDR The US Army doesn't have a UCP problem anymore, its a dead horse
People were trashing ucp because some idiot was actually saying it was good. Thats it.
>>30334701
These guys as well?
>>30335808
>He literally answered your question.
He literally, uh, didn't. He answered my question with a question, which is something that children do.
Either learn how to reply correctly or fuck off. I don't understand why you're even wasting your time defending this idiot.
>>30336268
>2016
>not even noticing there was a military industrial complex in Vietnam
Read a book, nigger.
>>30335928
What is this?
>>30343368
Multicam.
>>30335674
>>30336083
Up until 2000s, PLAN Marine Corps was a *true* marine corps: they protect ships and guard beach landings.
The blue camo came from the parent branch: the PLA Navy, whose personnel wore blue. When the PLAN Marine Corps was established in 1979, they literally dragged sailors to do infantry shit.
To demarcate that they are marines, bits of blue were added to their cammies. And thats how they got that.
>>30334426
In some secret Chinese military base...
>Marines
>Marine = sea
>Marines = sea soldiers
>"Engineer Ding Dong, come over here! These soldiers are going to fight in the sea. Make them blue uniforms!"
Workable camouflage wouldn't show creases as well so it wouldn't be obvious that you'd spent your entire weekend ironing it. Same reason they use easily corroded brass instead of metallized polymer on dress uniform.
>>30343490
How do you know so much about the history of the PLAN Marines?
Are you Dennis Blasko or something?
>>30344045
...its in the Wikipedia.
Furthermore, you can see it in the Naval Infantries of other Commie Asian countries.
Here's Vietnam's
>>30344153
Myanmar isn't commie but did follow Chinese military developments.
Why does /k/ continue to bring up UCP when the only people still wearing it are NCOs too poor/lazy to buy new uniforms or are with the Guard/Reserves?
>>30334944
>implying the army only fights in Gettysburg national park
>>30344165
>>30344153
>>30343490
>China, Myanmar, and Vietnam
A big part of the reason for this is linked to public perception of military roles.
These militaries exist first and foremost as political and ideological tools for domestic control rather than foreign intervention; not that they're necessarily used for direct action against civilians, but rather that they serve the purpose of a national status symbol, and a pillar of the ruling party's claim to legitimacy and therefore to power.
Therefore, their uniforms are designed with very specific goals in mind for domestic "consumption": how domestic viewers see the military, how that each military branch is dressed, how it acts, and how it acts as the bridge between the Party's de jure status as ruling entity and its existence as the de facto blunt instrument of the state.
China wants domestic "consumption" of the PLA and of multimedia related to the PLA to express professionalism, modernity, and competency. It also wants the PLA to appear to domestic audiences to be a diverse force capable of combined arms, just like any top-tier Western military. Hence directly aping American uniforms in some ways while being different in others: Marines dressed in laughably useless blue "camo" is a great example.
PLAN marines aren't going to be fighting a war of invasion and occupation in the foreseeable future; they don't need something that's actually functional but indistinguishable from conventional land force camo to the casual observer, like MARPAT. They exist to exist as a distinct Marine force, equivalent at least in the public eye to the USMC, a separate fleet expeditionary force.
So they are infantry in blue camo, because the laobaixing know that the ocean is blue and the army wears green.
This is also why they bought an aircraft carrier instead of just following their strategy and investing in A2AD.
>>30336592
>up innatree in fall
invisible
>pretty much anywhere else or other season
sore thumb. at least you'll probably just be perceived as trailer trash instead of an enemy combatant
>>30344193
>>30344193
>Why does /k/ continue to bring up UCP when the only people still wearing it are NCOs too poor/lazy to buy new uniforms or are with the Guard/Reserves?
Here's a few reasons:
1. Someone who doesn't know about it, asks (that is literally the reason for the thread)
2. It is still issued to every soldier going into basic
3. The official uniform of the US Army is the ACU in UCP and that will not change until 2019
4. It was a huge mistake made by the world's most powerful and advanced military branch
5. Some misguided idiots still think it is a decent pattern
6. People talk about shit that is irrelevant ALL THE TIME and that is no different here (why Operation Barbarossa failed, Browning Hi-Power vs. Colt 1911, all day breakfast at MacDonald's, everyfuckingthing else)
I think a better question is why do you keep asking this question? You seem to be hellbent on demonstrating that deployed forces don't use it and we shouldn't talk about it. Are you embarrassed that the army can be that retarded or something? Did your dad help approve the pattern for use?
>>30345375
>multikek
