The last thread was left in Syria
Kurgabinsk Edition
> What's this thread about?
As usual this thread is for the discussion and pics of tracked and wheeled AFVs of all kinds from MBTs to supertanks to self propelled AA guns. Please keep it civil and cite sources for statistics.
No sooner had the BMP-1P been rolled out than the GBTU commissioned further efforts in improving the glaring inadequacies of the IFV that had been painfully explicated in the Middle East. In 1974, two parallel ventures, Object 675/681 and Object 768/769 (probably from teams at Chelyabinsk and Kurgan) were undertaken, with all four prototype designs incorporating a two man turret, a rectification of the drawbacks of the one-man turret in the BMP-1, with the commander being relocated to the turret. This movement of the commander’s station removed the infrared searchlight protruding from the hull, allowing a non-obstructed 360 degree view and weapon traverse. However, a bigger turret meant less room in the transport compartment, which the Object 768/769 series attempted to deal with via an elongated hull. In 1972, weaponry was selected, an improved 73 mm, the Zarnitsa, fixed much of the range drop-off apparent with the Grom, and was installed on the Object 681 and 768, while the 30 mm 2A42 autocannon was trialed on the 675 and 769. All vehicles also retained a 9Sh119 with a Fagot or Konkurs missile, with an interior firing position. The 675 emerged as the winning “BMP-2” in 1977, with the longer hulls requiring factory retooling. Its 30 mm also had far superior range (2-4 km), which made dealing with helicopter threats and dispersed infantry more realistic, and more importantly, made the BMP a viable fire support vehicle for leading tank groups. Later upgrades included lead-impregnated applique armour and command modules in the BMP-2K.
> Gun
Rifled 30 mm 2A42
> Dimensions (l w h)
6.74 x 3.15 x 2.25 m
> Weight
14 tonnes
> Engine
300hp diesel
> Speed
65 km/h
>>30227002
OP: As always, feedback, suggestions wanted and appreciated.
Much like the BMP-1, the BMP-2 would see extensive use in the Middle East, this time in the rugged foothills of Afghanistan. It is now well known that the comprehensive elevation and traverse offered by the BMP-2 was greatly prized in fighting in high altitudes, and certainly the 2A42 had a substantial amount of effectiveness against infantry positions. However, its side armour was not adequate against concentrated enemy heavy machinegun fire, which prompted immediate depot rebuilds, dubbed the BMP-2D, with an extra 10 mm of spaced applique armour, and an extra panel added to the rear of the turret, perhaps a lesson learnt from the Israeli conflicts. The cramped configuration of the BMP-2 also proved to be problematic, as extended operations and patrols typically ended up stowing all excess equipment and supplies on the exterior of the vehicle, making it vulnerable to loss from either mundane falling off or in combat. The interior was not much better than the BMP-1 in crew comfort either, as it would get very hot in Afghan conditions, exacerbated by a low silhouette. However, in anecdotal terms, it appeared to be a lot more successful than its predecessor in Afghanistan.
Interesting thing I read while ago about the Soviets in Afghanistan, throughout their occupation, they established hundreds of “zastavas” or small checkpoints and holdouts for soldiers on patrol. From 1979-89, according to the Soviets, not a single zastava fell to the mujahedin, which, if true, is an intriguing insight into Soviet base communications and tenacity in the field.
does anyone have that .webm of an ATGM doing this to a T-55 in the sandbox?
>>30227006
More tank news, as per the new format.
If you have more queries regarding a news story, just point it out, and I’ll further elaborate and provide links.
Exercise Anakonda has commenced in Poland with a multinational involvement including a significant US military presence, comprising 31,000 soldiers from 24 countries. The activities in the proceedings include a mock air assault operation, live fire drills, field training and cyber and electronic warfare exercises, among others. Unfortunately, it appears that one Polish civilian has been killed in a collision with a military convoy.
Raytheon’s Mission Support and Modernization business core competency is currently examining stockpiles of M60 Patton tanks worldwide, and in concert with the US Army to compile upgrade packages to sustain their combat viability into the future. Upgrades include comprehensive armour improvements, as well as gun and engine changes, and some other features like Jordan’s FCS upgrades.
Around 1536 companies have confirmed their attendance at Eurosatory in Paris next week, with the US continuing to be a dominating foreign presence, booking 136 companies. A notable increase in Latin American involvement has been seen, with a debut by Colombia as well as record attendances by other countries such as Brazil and Argentina.
Brazil has received a total of 50 armoured vehicles from the US Excess Defense Articles (EDA) program. This includes 12 M113A2 APCs, 34 M577A2 command vehicles and 4 M88A1 ARVs.
Portugal has had its final Pandur II vehicles delivered from GDELS this week. 14 vehicles was delivered, completing a final batch of 22, of a totally contracted 188 Pandur IIs of varying patterns.
The Republic of Korea Army plans to deploy 600 K806 and K808 armoured vehicles from 2016 to 2020. The two vehicles form Hyundai Rotem’s bid for the DAPA’s wheeled AFV project, in response to a shortage of all-terrain vehicles to transport infantry.
And that’s all for now.
>>30227012
whoops, wrong .webm.
this is the one I meant to post.
Any Frog going to Eurosatory?
>>30227002
>>30227013
Finnish BMPs yay! Highlight of /k/ weekend for me starts now with this thread. You are good guy /thg/ guy.
So does anyone know anything about the BRM-1K? Particularly how the 'tall-mike' ground radar functions
>>30227163
There's 529 French companies at Eurosatory this year.
Is anyone here going, I wonder?
>>30227002
I've got a real hardon for IFV's treadhead guy, thanks for the the post, keep it up you're about the only good thing on this board. Keep up the IFV posts too pls.
Speaking of Finnish BMPs, they're being modernized with thermal optics, new comms, heating and multispectral camonets.
>>30227734
Any inside pics of that modernized variant?
>>30227821
None that I've found.
>>30227821
>>30227841
I think I have seen some picture from upgraded insides, but really can't remember much about it. Probably the seating was updated to modern standards in same way as Pasis had their seats updated. New seats protect the passengers from explosions that throw the vehicle around, less bumpy ride.
>>30227163
I wish but totally forgot the book the thing...
>>30227163
Is Eurosatory open to general public at all?
>>30228066
As far as i remember you can attend to the event if you work for a defense agency, even I a frog week-end warrior can attend to the show but i don't know how it works for foreigner.
>>30228106
Tough luck, then.
>Insurgent captured a T90 from the SSA after the crew fled from the vehicle
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/islamist-rebels-capture-first-t-90-tank-syrian-army-aleppo/
:(
>>30228222
Incompetence of SAA knows no bounds. Would be pretty based if RuAF would bomb that T-90 and release the footage.
>>30227577
Then post an IFV picture, not a fucking bird.
>>30228306
Whats with the Russian/Ukrainian way of using twin autocannons on those turrets. Purely more dakka to ensure actually hitting something?
>>30228320
Yes, or to achive a higher rate of fire when used against helicopters.
And it looks cool.
>>30228320
I like the way both systems complement each other fire rate and reload.
>>30228306
>two 30mm 2A42
>two coax PKTM.
>Ivan we need a place to sit so I welded our managers office chairs there.
>Just fuck my hand up ammunitionfeed.
>>30228222
I make a thread about it lad, >>>30226485
>>30228294
>Incompetence of SAA
Tiger force was doing just fine though
that tank also look like that one was use by Iraqi shite
picrelated is Tiger 549 T-90A in Raqqa
this one was in Homs last month with a cracked IR emitter
>>30228359
>slav afv
>caring about the crew
anon pls
>>30227002
OK lad
let talk about BMP-2 upgrade
what is the best and why
pic related is a BMP-2M
>>30228377
data sheet for the BMP-2M
>>30228364
same tank, Homs, May the fifth
>>30228306
You must be part of that 99% of this board that I described as being a useless cunt. Thanks for continuing to be a useless cunt and perpetuating the useless faggotry of the majority of the board.
>>30228364
Iraqi shite with T-90A
>>30228377
You really cant say that one uppgrade is ojectivly best for all missions/terrains.
It all depends on what you want to focus on.
>>30228364
Thanks, didn't saw it. Everytime i enter /k/ a watch the fist few threads before seaching /thg/ in the catalog.
>>30227821
>>30227841
>>30227974
https://youtu.be/5fqtP2UYczw
>>30228424
fire power and protection
for example
BMP-2M upgraded firepower protection and mobility
but the picrelated is mainly forcus on firepower alone
though Algeria bought 300 B05Ya01 turret for their BMP-2
>>30228504
Modernized weaponry on old-ass vehicles are my fetish.
>>30228485
So basically they bolted fug tons of ERA on it?
>>30228537
>>30228504
The vehicles are so ugly though.
Tunguska is a beast
>>30228409
>I post something related
>You post a bird
>I'm a cunt
Yea, right, dream on son.
>>30228554
It's modular, too. Too bad is ugly as a sin.
>>30228537
i know right
imagine 10 of this marching though Kiev
>>30228556
>Tunguska is a beast
it is not an IFV
>>30228577
what is that thing behind the ERA?
slat armor?
>>30228603
>what is that thing behind the ERA?
>slat armor?
Im not sure if thats a wall in the building of some weird kind of slat armour.
Its a weird camera angle but I dont think its part of the vehicle.
>>30228409
How fucking stupid do you have to be to think that you're supposed to post birds and autistic temper tantrums on a thread about tanks?
>>30228627
TUSK tank often have slat armour near the engine
>>30228603
>what is that thing behind the ERA?
slat armor?
That's not ERA, it's NERA.
For the rear section of the tank, it is hard to tell. The system allows to mount different kind of protections going from Tarian very light-weight to conventional SLAT or even armor plates.
>>30228649
Yeah but it doesnt look like slat armour in the image of the leclerc above.
>>30228670
The other side with Tarian :
>>30228670
>>30228676
>>30228687
it look like some type of anti RPG nest similar to Tarian
do you have more information about that side armor NERA?
>>30228722
Quite the same modules as those installed on the UAE Leclerc with AZUR kits...
They are supposedly light for easy and rapid installation.
Other than that... I have no information.
>>30228649
>TUSK
this only refers to 1 variant of the M1 made during the iraqi occupation, it doesn't mean "any tank with extra armor on it"
>>30228670
>SLAT
this is not an acronym. it's a word.
>>30228603
>slat armor?
it's some sort of standoff armor, yes. it looks like some thin standoff armor plates mounted onto a slat armor cage. it might even be ERA/NERA.
>>30228840
slat is not standoff armor though
they was designed to destroy RPG warhead
>>30228969
RPG-22 vs slat armor
>>30228969
>slat is not standoff armor
Check out this idiot.
>>30228994
thanks for posting this, I've been looking for this video for a while.
>>30229010
implying 20cm of air could stop RPG jet steam
>>30229020
you are welcome
>>30228504
>fire power and protection
That means increased weight and the BMP-2 already has rather narrow tracks
(IE hight ground pressure) .
Mobility and offroad capability will suffer from this.
>>30228106
I secured a ticket but just had to move to fucking Nigeria for my company. Asked a friend to take pictures of the upgraded Leclerc, though. Will post them when i get them.
>>30228994
Huh. I knew what the stuff was supposed to do, but it's another thing seeing it work as intended. That's really neat.
And I know it's rather silly, but I can't help loving this thing. Something about it just checks all the right boxes for me.
So the Kikes did this. Good idea?
http://defense-update.com/20160608_ironvision.html
>Elbit will unveil next week at Eurosatory the IronVision, the first Helmet Mounted Display (HMS) designed for crewmembers of combat vehicles. Part of the company’s See-Through Armor (STA) architecture, IronVision is a 360-degree panoramic situational awareness system that enables tank and infantry crewmen to ‘see-through’ their vehicle’s armor in real-time, creating a complete and clear visualization of the battlefield, even under close hatches.
>IronVision’s 360-degree, high-resolution imagery is projected in full color and zero latency to the wearer’s visor, offering a bright and vivid display of the surroundings in both day and night and all types of weather.
>The helmet support system collects information from different digital sources within and around the vehicle, displays and tracks the positions of various features of interest ranging from a single person standing or crawling several meters near the vehicle to a moving vehicle located 150–300 meters away. By using the helmet, the wearer obtains the complete freedom of movement and can shorten the sensor-to-shooter cycle, all while remaining protected, under closed hatches.
>The IronVision fits all types of Main Battle Tanks (MBTs) and Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs).
>The new HMS is based on the proven sensors and system architecture that is already integrated with thousands of fixed and rotary-wing aircraft HMSs, systems that are being used by most modern air forces worldwide. IronVision incorporates advanced See-Through Armor (STA) technology that lets wearers ‘see through’ the armor of their vehicle to obtain full, real-time, Situational Awareness (SA) through which they can locate, identify and track enemy forces or capabilities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOi__MmtN1M
>>30229976
I believe the sweden (or some other northern European country, not sure of which one) have a prototype for something equivalent. 100% worth a try in my oipinion, anything that can improve situational awareness of the TC is worth a shot.
>>30228603
>>30228627
It is slat armor covered in fabric, it is seen sometimes on Leopard 2A4 revolution upgrade.
>>30228840
TUSK is not an M1 variant, it is a collection of parts that can be field mounted on any model.
That said several pieces of it have been made standard equipment on the SEP's.
>>30230000
BAE makes it, demo'd on a CV90.
>>30229976
F-35 EODAS, but for tanks.
Might be cool.
>>30230275
I thought the TUSK was for the M1 Abrams and the BUSK was for the Bradley, TUSK can only be mounted on Abrams.
>>30230434
Correct. TUSK = tank(Abrams) urban survival kit, BUSK = Bradley urban survival kit.
>>30230916
But TUSK cant be mounted on any vehicle, only the Abrams.
Or when you said "model" a few posts earlier, did you mean any model of Abrams (M1A1, M1A2 etc)?
Behold, the latest in modular tank design!
>>30231056
T-55 on T-64?
I wouldn't have thought they'd still have any T-55s in service in Ukraine.
On a related note, how does the T-55/T-62 work in regard to loading? Did the gunner/commander just have to load, or did they cram a third guy in there?
>>30231079
Yep, fourth guy is the loader.
On other note upgraded T-55s and T-62s are my favourites.
>>30231079
The had loader, but one could say that T-62 had an automatic ejector, the same principle that is used on the T-72.
And one more thing, when the gun on the T-62 lowered because of the ejecting procedure, the gunner completely lost the visual on his target (the sight wasn't independent, so basically he could not ID the hit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43ogEJ0RKwg
>>30231119
>>30229976
Smart of Elbit to leverage their work on the F-35 helmet for something like this. In hindsight, the shift of sensor fusion towards ground forces was inevitable.
In the future, we'll probably see more information and data connected to systems like this, with multiple crewmen using it simultaneously.
>>30230974
>did you mean any model of Abrams (M1A1, M1A2 etc)
Yes, sorry for not being clear.
>>30228389
65 km/h? The engine must have been souped up pretty good to have roughly the same amount of speed with all that extra slat and applique
>>30228485
I doesn't look very different from the old AZUR kit >>30228687, but with the new RWS they have on the Jaguar as well (and an even longer armor block under the gunner sight it seems), i expected more differences, i thought it was supposed to receive more Galix grenade launchers and new laser warning system, it's not visible fas far as I can tell.
>>30232534
VAB replacement.
>>30232534
>Galix grenade launchers
Grenade launchers on tanks in general seem extemely low energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TODr5NKNuCg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcYl2FJw8go
These challenger 2 ones seem a bit better but they are still a bit meh.
It seems they only work well when you spam them like crazy in the webm.
Does anybody know any more about grenade launchers mounted on armoured vehicles?
>>30232709
btw, just so its clear, I mean low energy as in they are puny, pathetic and weak, or so they seem, im not talking about velocity.
>>30229976
vr in a moving vehicle is never a good idea
the image doesn't match what the body is feeling and the user gets a massive headache and feels sick. it works in an f-35 because aircraft motion is smooth but no way it's gonna sync properly in a tank
>>30232727
There is ony so much smoke you can make out of a small canister, anon.
>>30232784
Based on your long experience of vehicle-borne VR?
>>30232831
based on my long experience in your mom's mouth
>>30232831
Not that anon, but similar things have been recorded in vehicle simulators for some people
I guess the Americans are taking the Strong Europe results seriously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgPHVq0bVt4
>>30233189
>>30233201
>>30233189
What did the Israelis do to the turret?
>>30233480
It looks like an unmanned turret that is completely external, which would free up a lot of space inside of the vehicle.
yo /thg/ i was thinkin. Has a real russian armor crewman ever showed up here? We've got all kinds from all over the place but I don't ever recall.
>>30230275
That is 100% incorrect.
Do not post butthurt garbage like this again.
>>30229784
>And I know it's rather silly, but I can't help loving this thing. Something about it just checks all the right boxes for me.
You love colored wood?
>>30233812
You shouldn't post if you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>30229784
I'm with you anon. I mean I get it but damn it does look cool
>>30234053
Is it really just a plywood mockup of a CV90?
>>30234112
>Is it really just a plywood mockup of a CV90?
Yes, it's as real as the Strv 2000.
>>30234516
That makes me sad. Prototype's supposed to be finished this year. It's just so hype https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIGp5posJL4
>>30229976
They copied Star Trek dominion ships
>>30229976
I have to say, this looks a lot more utilitarian than google glass.
>>30233525
I think we had either a Croatian tanker in here at one point
>>30232784
This is just an opinion and it is wrong
>>30235320
I agree with you but you have to explain why it's wrong...
>>30235213
That's cool. Remember what tank he oper9ed?
Speaking of which, when you sign up to be an armored vehicle crewman or whatever the MOS is, how do you get assigned to a vehicle? Basically you become whatever they need at the time?
>>30232784
>youre
a
>fucking
retard
>>30233126
except that is when youre sitting in a chair not moving, this will be in a moving vehicle how can you be so dumb to miss this major difference
>>30235599
Iirc you first end up as loader and slowly rotate through all spots in the crew until you find your best spot.
>>30232534
That's because the Leclerc rénové includes parts of the UAE AZUR kit. The original AZUR kit was supposed to get rid of the base armor skirts (what we call "préblindages") and put the new modules.
Jaguar has another RWS. As far as I can tell they are going to make a dedicated RWS for the commander sight. Could have been better if they used HL-120 and built a RWS around it... That way the Leclerc could have a non obtrusive RWS...
Regarding the CAD drawing you guys saw way back then. It is just Nexter's studies. The constructors always put forward all they can achieve but the client always has the final word (it's him that pay the bill in the end...).
>>30232727
What did you expect from screening devices?
They are just smoke grenade tossed in front of the tank...
What strike me the most is that most countries use instant effect grenades. As far as I can search, Galix is the only system that launches one discharge of instant effect smoke grenades and two discharges of long effect smoke grenades... :/
>>30232784
Well it's always difficult to have a visual that is not corelated to the movements of the internal ear. Just take a panoramic sight and observe 6o clock in cross country, you'll see what I mean.
Regular training tend to reduce the motion sickness but it highly depends from person to person.
>>30227821
I actually went to a refresher training (kertausharjoitus) and had a change to explore the new bmp-2 deeply, even had the time to ask some questions from the panzermaster.
they got rid of all the useless shit on the inside, all the equipment are now in boxes on the outside of the ifv and all the hooks and bolt heads have been cut off.
the driver gets a thermal camera forward and a thermal reverse camera.
the gunner gets new optics (according to the panzermaster its not finalized yet, the bmp I was exploring had polish ones but they were going to be switched to ukrainian ones), thermals and new nightvision equipment. there's now padding on the left side of the gunner.
[spoiler]sadly no change to the feeding of the 2A42[/spoiler]
the radios have been changed (dont remember the model or maker)
the commader also gets thermals and new nightvision equipment.
other then the new camo system they got going on nothing has been changed armor wise
>>30236123
and the whole modernization project cost 30-40 million euros
>>30236134
Wait the program price has gotten up. And what about the slight widening of the Bemari?
Also Ukrainian optics, we still go with the cheapest there is, but it is still better than what we got.
>>30236206
The slight widening might be because the camo system, the nets are attached to sheets of something (no idea what the material is) which in turn are attached to the armor in a way that there is a gap between the armor and the sheets.
this is suppose to screen the bmps thermal footprint. from the pictures they showed us it works, the only things showing up white hot was the roadwheels and the commanders head when he was peaking out
Hey, guys, could you possibly give me a quick breakdown of the damage on this T-90 from Syria?
>>30236583
Everything that is glass is broken and missing ERA
>>30236592
Do you think the dazzlers were specifically targeted, or were they just taken out by pressure?
>>30236583
>Hey, guys, could you possibly give me a quick breakdown of the damage on this T-90 from Syria?
Supposedly ate a few grenades dropped inside the turret too.
>>30227006
Did the Afghans ever capture BMP-2s like they did with BTRs?
>>30236123
Thank you!
>>30237110
Considering they even managed to nab T-55s I would say it's a safe bet they did.
>>30230000
Norway has been fiddling around with it on some M113's
>>30236592
this guy is right
i would add is that the entire right side ERA is missing
>>30232534
The armor block length difference has in fact nothing to do with the AZUR kit or the new version. On that picture they added the kit to a serie 2, whereas on the eurosatory pic it's a serie XXI, the newest version.
Why is this weeks thread so slow?
pic unrelated
>>30238090
Too many people preping for Euro or watching the euro?
With Russian's banned I guess it is safe to post a video analyzing T-72's that Russia provided the 'separatists' in Ukraine, including unit markers and photos of individual tanks in Russia before they turned up in the combat zone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsHI6u11tdc
>>30238464
>Ukraine
Does not exist
>>30233153
Explain
>>30238464
wow nice video. Information napalm has similar stuff
>>30238816
Americans do not train to camouflage their vehicles so they performed poorly in that segment of the competition.
>>30236711
>do you think that these tiny boxes on this giant tank that was hit all over by lots and lots of different things were specifically shot at
No, anon. I don't think so.
>>30238862
Does infor napalm using legit information not just false claime?
i think not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGzuCzihdUg
>>30233189
>>30233201
>>30233213
wow, it looks a LOT like a puma.
the turret arrangement is practically identical. even the smoke grenade launchers are in the same position.
Iraqi BTR-4E near Fallujah
>>30240002
>>30240007
>>30238090
Seems pretty average to me
>>30238464
Russians banned? From where, the chans??? Am confuse
>>30240017
>>30240007
>>30240002
are they seriously using the Call Of Duty: Black Ops logo
What a time we live in.
>>30240138
a temporary ban because of a DDoS that came from Russia
>>>/pol/76863018
Didn't the BTR-4s sold to Iraq sit in some warehouse because shitty ukrainian workmanship and Iraqian maintenance more or less abandoned?
>>30240403
That is a meme. Ukraine delivered BTR-4's to Iraq in three batches, Iraq returned the third shipment because a couple vehicles in it had manufacturing flaws.
>>30227006
>Much like the BMP-1, the BMP-2 would see extensive use in the Middle East, this time in the rugged foothills of Afghanistan.
>Afghanistan
>Middle East
retard, enjoy your honorary negro status
>>30240449
>>30236123
>all the hooks and bolt heads have been cut off
>there's now padding on the left side of the gunner
What took so long? Isn't this basic battleproofing, that should have been so from the beginning? You'd think a vehicle designed to protect humans in a battlefield would also be designed not to injure them. Even Jap tankettes in WW2 had these kind of measures for crew protection
>>30240501
Your map is simply wrong, nothing more to it. On the opposite end, it even is including Maghreb countries like Libya.
>>30240605
the 'middle east' stretches from Morocco to Pakistan
>>30238883
>Americans do not train to camouflage
I heard that this was because you have conservation activists or land owners suing them for cutting down trees and branches for camo purposes. Is this true?
>>30240622
I wouldn't include anything beyond Egypt. That area is North Africa, not the Middle East.
>>30240449
m8, the term Middle East was even used in the British Empire days to denote areas from Arabia to outside British India
Fuck off
>>30238090
Jesus christ that's a tight fit, and the Growler isn't even that large anyway.
>>30242194
>>30242432
Do you have that picture of Putin inside a tank?
>>30227013
>Unfortunately, it appears that one Polish civilian has been killed in a collision with a military convoy.
It's probable that the guy was doing something stupid like speeding into a military convoy or not paying attention though, in most cases like this.
What does the Coyote man-in-back/Surv Op actually do while the vehicle is underway?
>>30242194
>that top access door
T H I C C
>>30240501
Afghanistan is in Asia, it's not in the Middle East.
This is basic stuff, anon.
>>30244225
Technically, the Middle East is a part of Asia too in some lexicons.
In any case, this debate is pretty stupid, since there's a lot of people that see Afghanistan as part of the general sphere of the Middle East.
In any case, I should stop shitting up the thread with this issue.
>>30244274
>since there's a lot of people that see Afghanistan as part of the general sphere of the Middle East.
There are also a lot of people who are voting for hillary clinton and think that transwomen are real women.
>In any case, I should stop shitting up the thread with this issue.
Good move.
>>30244306
Thing is, on what ground are we differentiating Afghanistan from the Middle East? There aren't clearly demarcated boundaries for one. And Afghanistan is a whole mix of cultures and religions too. Also, there's a whole heap of overlapping vocabulary, like the British referring to Iran and Afghanistan and parts of Asia as the Middle East, and the Bush Administration referring to Afghanistan as part of a Middle East sphere; on the other hand, you have some atlases that classify Afghanistan as part of a South Asian zone. Either way, I don't think anyone can be right on this one.
>>30244211
The thickest
>>30244376
Also, post obligatory Afghan tank graveyards. It's a real shame the Soviets left them behind, but what can one do.
>>30244376
Jesus christ, shut the fuck up already. This is a thread about tanks.
>>30233153
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc-KkEBTXdE
>>30244474
I have never seen the T-14 to a woodland backdrop before, only on parade. Got any more pictures like it?
>>30244517
I wish I did. That's why I saved this one, it's the only shot I've ever seen where one is actually a teensy bit dirty.
>>30244622
and here's the other half of this particular set
>>30244642
>Those bulbous storage containers on the flame tank
>Inside the tank
Jesus
The Sheridan was a cool platform, but what can it survive against these days?
>>30244673
I mean, it's not like the Sheridan needed any help burning.
>>30244642
>>30244673
>americans finally figure out how to eliminate the loader: replace him with napalm
>>30244675
Rain.
>made by losers
>driver can't exit vehicle unless turret is turned to specific position
>uses a human loader
>the only good parts are those borrowed from the M1
>only popular because the germans made too many and then sold them off for cheap
>doesn't even have a boiling vessel
what's so great about this tank exactly?
>>30243445
>>30245036
It's not this piece of shit
>>30244517
>>30244622
got your back
>>30245036
it have one of the best optic for both gunner and TC and a great engine. remember that Abrams only have commander's independent thermal viewer with the A2 upgrade and the driver hatch problem is even worse
Cold war greatest tank is the T-72B though
picrelated
>>30245058
agreed
from wiki:
> Damages by 25 mm AP-DU, anti-armor RPG fire and 12.7 mm rounds was encountered. But on no occasion did anti-tank guided weapons or anti-tank mines strike the US MBTs.
>abrams get rekt by a machinegun
>thinks "it was never hit by an ATGM" is something to be proud of
HOW
>>30244211
>>30244395
>>30245114
It said damaged, you cuckold. If a 12.7mm round hits a periscope, that periscope doesn't work anymore. That is considered damage.
>>30245132
>That is considered damage.
god damn, get your shit together america
>>30245132
>If a 12.7mm round hits a periscope
[citation needed]
>>30245114
>thinks "it was never hit by an ATGM" is something to be proud of
i have heard that Abrams floor plate is like 1cm thick, so anti tank mine and fuck huge IED could put an Abrams to rest
>>30245137
>>30245132
>>30245114
>>30245058
>>30245036
Bored enough to shitpost /thg/?
>>30245114
Wiki is straight misleading then, because it was also hit with APFSDS, both 120 and 125mm, hellfires (an ATGM) and mavricks.
>>30245089
>remember that Abrams only have commander's independent thermal viewer with the A2 upgrade
Remember that the Abrams got a commander's independent thermal viewer before the Leopard 2 did.
>>30245137
Is this bait?
>>30245137
>>30245151
Is it not damage?
And yes, that does happen. Take a look at that Leclerc that got hit by the ATGM recently in Yemen. Crew drove up too far, got their sights and periscopes hit by snipers, then had an ATGM hit the lower glacis plate.
>>30245036
>germans made too many and then sold them off for cheap
There you go.
>>30245152
Sounds like fuddlore to me, being that AT mines are hardly anything new.
There is also that video of daisychained 155mm's that tossed the tank in the air. A guy or two died from being shaken not stirred but there was no penetration
>>30245170
yes
>>30245169
PERI-R 17 A2 have a thermal channel
every Leopard from A4 have that
question about BMP-2
anyone know about the fabric armor in this pic?
>>30245194
The PERI R17A2 was first used on the 2A5.
>>30227002
who /gup/ here?
>>30245472
>uninteresting moe garbage
Kill yourself ASAP
>>30245472
Not me thank god.
>>30245535
>uninteresting
it's tank warfare but with little girls
what's not to like?
>>30245568
>what's not to like?
Have you even watched 30 seconds of the show?
All of the tanks move like they're helium balloons, are colored as though they're my little pony characters, and nobody ever dies or even gets hurt. It's the absolute furthest thing possible from armored warfare while still having tanks in it.
It's shit. You are shit for liking it.
Fuck off now.
>>30245549
that file name tho
>>30245593
Glad you liked it friendo
Captured tanks are kinda my fetish.
Any thoughts on the projected replacement IFV for South Africa?
>>30245864
I always liked the Rooikat.
>>30245207
From what I have read it is similar to the anti radiation liner on the T-72.
/thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2016/05/bmp-2.html
>>30245472
shit taste t b h f a m
>>30245864
>>30245192
Whoa, this long exposure pic makes it look like merkava has lightning APS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XQwWBlZlJ8
BLYAAAAAT
>>30245036
There's an escape hatch in the bottom for the driver.
>No boiling vessel
Challenger 2 shill detected
And the Leo does have one.
>>30246096
Silly Ukranians
http://static.ide.fr/corporate/demo/TIM-Salon-EuroSatory/TIM_LECLERC_XLR/
>>30246096
holy shit nigger nice reflexes
>>30245568
just go pls
>>30246252
Not astonishing that the external changes are not numerous. They changed everything inside! jk
>>30227002
Is the Zarnitsa still used? I've only ever seen the Grom on BVPs.
>>30246252
The turret cheeks look different.
>>30245152
>>30247137
No change on that side.
It's just the third series, with the uparmored armor block for the gunner sight...
>>30245036
>the only good parts are those borrowed from the M1
such as?
>>30244402
The US should have just brought those back to be converted to target practice.
>>30247190
They are shaped differently.
>>30247447
This 3D model... It's pure crap...
>>30246252
>>30247461
"When you work for the army as a graphic designer but you only play to World of Tanks."
>>30233153
>>30244507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgdfbpoSsIg
>>30228687
Nigga thats just a vollyball net.
>>30249477
> thats just a vollyball net.
Ask the Brits.
>Nigga
And get yourself an education...
>>30231119
Upgraded older gear is great, perfect for a lot of countries as well. Strong enough to absorb basic anti-tank weapons and squish dissenters, though simple enough to house in a warehouse for half a decade.
>>30250537
I'm honest to god pleased to see that the M60 is going to see service for a little longer. God damn gorgeous vehicle, I would own one if I could find someone who'd sell it. So far only a Cheiftan and some Soviet T-55/72's.
Question: how would an M60 perform against more modern tanks like T-72s, Leopard 1A5s, and Cheiftans? Assuming the crews are more or less identical and a normal European battleground.
pic unrelated
>>30251871
I know the M60A3 did fine against T-55s and T-62s in the Gulf War, but according to the Marines themselves the M60s had some shortcomings with systems like electronics, so I'm not sure how well they'd do against modernized T-72s. It's probable that the M60A3 could do well against the poorly armored Leopard 1A5 but like most things it would depend on battlefield positioning.
>>30253418
>so I'm not sure how well they'd do against modernized T-72s
A matter of who shoots first.
>>30253418
>It's probable that the M60A3 could do well against the poorly armored Leopard 1A5
Anything can pen a Leo 1 variant and the M60A1 RISE's that the Marines used took out the equivalent of a T-72A without any issues.
>>30253418
>I know the M60A3 did fine against T-55s and T-62s in the Gulf War
>Marines themselves the M60s had some shortcomings with systems like electronics
Because it was an M60A1.
>>30247447
Is the upgrade package a DLC? :^)
>>30229976
This is the next major breakthrough in tanks. 360 panoramic vision from inside the vehicle thought the use of integrated CCD sensors.
I knew it was coming.
The Armata would be pretty boss if they managed to develop something similar.
>>30254673
>The Armata would be pretty boss if they managed to develop something similar.
They don't have the helmet based interface but they have one based on a touchscreen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCGdvMkDlVc
>Skip to 35:00 mark
Personally I prefer something like the Merkava Talmud Vision but sitting reclined as is in the T-14 it probably would be pretty hard to look around so a touchscreen is better.
For other tanks where you are sitting upright the helmet is much better.
>>30254907
Wasn't the official MoD reasoning behind that touchscreen the whole "appeal to the ipad generation"?
>>30257340
I like the Centauro, but I dislike how it's basically the reason why Italy won't invest in a real tank that's better than the Ariete.
>>30257793
Italy could really outright just buy surplus Leopard 2s that would be better than the Ariete.
>>30251871
>>30253418
the M60 would obviously explode the instant that a T72 was sighted
>>30258827
no, the T72 would explode the instant the M60 saw it
>>30258827
>>30258835
I think we can conclude the one that got spotted first would get exploded.
>>30258858
That tends to be how it goes, actually. US studies figured out that whoever spotted who first was likely to win.
>>30258858
>the one that got spotted first would get exploded
No, the one that sees the other one first would explode.
>>30228320
I'm not sure how the dual-feed cannons work as far as changing ammo types but it could facilitate rapid ammo type choice or even two types of ammo being fired at once for better effect on target
>>30258827
>>30258835
>>30258858
>>30258869
>>30258960
What if both the crewes were arab? Would both explode?
>>30258996
No dude, it's a mockup of a prototype of a thing that was never built. Dual cannons are extremely rare in the real world.
>>30259008
Neither would explode because they'd both either break down, miss, or run away.
Hello /k/!
Would someone be so kind to explain how the BMP-1 autoloader works?
I'm very familiar with T-72/64 autoladers so is it vertical like the T-64/80?
>>30259072
both sides would bail out and run at the first sight of each other, and then they would capture the opposing sides tank
