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I was thinking of enlisting after college but don't want to go infantry(pog life is best life), and was planing on going into something that has job potential when I get out like drones or something. Is there any other fields that have that kind of potential?
Last thread, there were a couple people talking about how "if you're drawn towards the military, it won't go away". Since then, I've been wondering if that goes for everybody who feels that way.
I am everything this board and these threads hate: I have a liberal political ideology, I wholeheartedly believe that homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the military, I am an atheist and I don't give two shits about the "holy land" Israel and think we'd be better off letting the entire Middle East kill themselves off, etc.
Despite all of that, I feel drawn to the military. Maybe it's wanting to make something of myself, learn discipline, and more, but how far are differences accepted?
>>30156666
You already went to college man. Go infrantry.
>>30156761
>I am everything this board and these threads hate
> I don't give two shits about the "holy land" Israel and think we'd be better off letting the entire Middle East kill themselves off
You haven't been here long I take it.
>>30156761
Uhh besides being ultra liberal, im you.
I am pretty much in the middle politically, dont give two shits about gays (my nextdoor neighbor in the dorms is gay) and dont care about religion or israel. Yet here I am in the air force and noone gives a shit.
>>30156666
Your best route, if you are in school, would be looking into your school's ROTC program. Scholarships and officer life
>>30156761
I did my stint in the Army and my views align with yours to a degree (disagree about middle east policy, some help against ISIS is required etc). If you are under say...24, enlist or if you're in school look into ROTC programs.
Any bros know if te current height and weight standard on military.com for the Marine Corps is correct?
I'm 6'4 (76 inches) and it says the max weight is 226 pounds for that height. I weight 235 give or take but I also lift weights.. I'm able to do the pull ups and push ups and sit ups and the mile and a half in inder 13:30..
I going to have to drop to 226?
And is there anyway to secure a 0311 contract when going active? I don't want to sign as 03xx and get tossed in a mortarmen crew or other shit. I want 0331 or 0311
>>30157388
Those are the weight standards once you're a fleet marine. They have looser standards for joining because they know you'll loose weight in boot camp. Ask a recruiter.
You can get guaranteed Infantry, but MOS is determined at SOI ITB. So either you'll be a 0311 rifleman, or weapons as a machine gun fag, mortar fag, or assault fag.
Source: former 0311 riflefag
>>30157470
Ohhhh thank you very much bro I was worried. How was it being a riflefag? And did you go to San Diego or Pairs island
How to make rank while in Navy DEP so I go in as an E2 or E3? Anything besides referrals and college credits?
If you don't try to become a warrant officer pilot, before settling on enlisting. you're an idiot.
>>30157388
Army here. If you are past the weight standards, you get taped. If you don't pass weight and tape standards combined you cant join. The standards are massively out of date and stupid, but they are what they are. If you are a stalky/built dude you're guaranteed to get taped your whole career.
I dont remember the standards but a google search for "Army Weigh and Tape" should find them.
>>30157559
Thank you for reminding me about my terrible eyesight and dashed dreams.
>>30157620
Tapped???
And Nahh I'm 6'4 I used to be a former fat fuck at 290 found /fit/ and dropped to 190 then bulked up.
>>30157700
TAPED, as in a GOD DAMN MEASURING TAPE
Know what? Keep your idiot fuck self out of the Army, we don't need any more.
>>30157620
Well bro I just tapped myself and the thing is I have wide hips so I don't know if that's going to fuck with the results..
>>30157499
>How was it being a riflefag?
It's hard to summarize 2 deployments and 4 years of your life. I also joined in 07 so the war was still going on. Garrison blows, you'll rank up slower than pogs, you'll get to shoot a lot but also clean your rifle all day. I would be willing to answer a more specific question but that is too vague.
>>30157762
Lel that's why I'm going Marine corps breh (;
>>30157804
What rank were you when you got out? Did you enjoy the time in? How was boot camp did you get smoked by the DIs a lot?
is the scope of a TS clearence investigation for an 18 year old changed at all? i cant imagine them going back 7 or 10 years
>>30157827
I got out as a corporal. I served as a team leader during both of my deployments.
I treated my 4 year enlistment in the corps as an adventure. I was a young man and there was a war, I figured why not. So I went, learned a lot about life and myself. I have 3 or 4 friends that we still meet sometime, and the brotherhood we have from being in combat together is something that cannot be had easily. Didn't learn any job skills but I'm making my GI Bill work to my advantage.
I got smoked a few times. I would get bored during drill and fuck up, my drill hat didn't like that. Sometimes they just smoke guys randomly. I wouldn't worry about it though, if you go Infantry boot camp will be the easiest thing you do in the corps.
>>30156761
I've served 8 years as an officer in the Army. I come from a very liberal town north and so my facebook feed is polarized by my friends back home and all the conservatives in the military. I believe in gay marriage, federal legalization of marijuana, etc. I've never had any problems with peers or soldiers.
>>30156761
>I wholeheartedly believe that homosexuals should be allowed to serve in the military
There's not really much of a prejudice against this anymore. Especially nowadays in the Navy. Literally no one cares if you fuck chicks or dudes.
>>30157540
I dunno about DEP, but once you're in boot camp you can pass a test on your DEP guide and so long as you pass the initial PRT, you get E-2.
E-3 can be awarded if you do a really good job at your recruit job or take leadership and do well.
Or just be a Nuke like me and have E-4 with less than a year in the Navy.
>>30157762
I thought they tested if you sank in water.
>tfw cant feel me legs
I currently am going to a community college for financial reasons. I was wondering if I enlisted if I could continue my education, as soon as I enlist. I live in Norfolk, Va. So I would assume they have programs for people here to get a degree while in the military. I refuse to give up on education, but is it possible for me to continue education while as an enlisted?
>>30158889
National guard or reserves would be best for you. You will not have the time you'd like on AD.
I want to become a Marine Officer. Obviously infantry is my first choice. My ultimate goal is to do it to try to make it to a Recon unit, MARSOC, FAST, or at the very least be a boat ho and do MEU. If you end up as an infantry officer with the Marines, is there much you can do to end up in an expeditionary unit and get stationed on a boat? Also, what is the process like for becoming an officer in Recon?
>>30159136
>>30159136
FAST is a meme. They tell you you'll guard the president. In reality you'll sit on a Navy base guarding nukes.
>>30159136
>>30159165
Do they get good training? Is it a good feeder into Recon, Force Recon, or MARSOC?
>>30158948
Is there any programs in the navy where you can get your associates online while on AD?
>>30156596
I was thinking about enlisting, I was thinking about being a Tank operator/crew member.
here are my questions
>what is like for an average week
>how often are you in combat
>what do you do when your in the rear
>how often are they taken off the front
>what are the requirements
>how long is the training
>what does the rest of the military think of tankers
>what is compensation like
>how likely are you to be station outside of the united states.
>>30159136
>>30159223
I believe all branches have TA. It's just a matter of finding the time, I've taken half a dozen online courses while on AD, including while deployed
Why is Coast Guard OCS so much more selective? What sort of operating do Coast Guard Officers even do? Is there something like a SWO for Coast Guard as well?
>>30159345
Interesting. Did you receive any financial aid for the government?
Besides fucking highschoolers, what's the appeal of being a military recruiter? Isn't it monkey duty?
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/crime/2016/03/07/nj-recruiter-charged-sending-explicit-pic-teen-michael-mccullough-army/81265952/
>>30159218
FAST sign up for 5 years instead of 4. They go through ITB trained as an 0311 instead of going to MCT. At the end they go watch nukes and play on their phones and watch Netflix for 3 years. Then they get kicked to a line platoon their last 2 years as a corporal who knows less than off than PFC schmuckatelli.
No it's not a ticket into SF, I was a line grunt and we all think they're a joke. Disregard any high speed turbo pog that tells you otherwise.
So I put in my online application to the Navy like a week ago, still haven't heard back from a recruiter.
When I submitted the online application to the Air Force, a lady recruiter called me 2 days after and wanted to set up an appointment immediately. The AF also has a better, sleeker website. Fucking hell, Navy. Don't make me regret choosing you.
>>30159387
....that's TA. All military members are eligible for it.
>>30159429
Career advancement or staying in one place for a while, usually your hometown. Nearly everybody hates it but they are ordered to be recruiters, same as Drills
>>30159488
interesting. what exactly do you know about the Recon guys? Not Force Recon, just regular recon, particularly their officers?
Any (ex-)Nukes on here?
Just wanted to ask, "Would you do it all again?"
Is it true that enlisted soldiers have an easier time making the Green Berets compared to commissioned officers from ROTC/OCS/Westpoint?
>>30159353
work at were they do ocs clases are small and coast guard boards are once a year the service is 16,000 personal, almost all the class are active enlisted trust me unless you spelize in something you will not get in
>>30156666
35n translates well to employment if you don't mind being at a desk.
also, satan quads checked
>>30156778
infantry spelling skills
>>30161017
Foreign languages. If I speak Farsi could that get me intelligence and deployment to the Persian gulf?
35G. Driving down to MEPS on monday to leave for basic.
>>30161293
Tried to insult an Infantryman about grammar. Didn't use punctuation.
Sorry bro, not even him, try harder. Or just try a little.
>>30161309
With the coast Guard? Maybe if you spoke snow nigger instead of sand nigger. I don't think they'd need intelligence slots, try navy if you want that
>>30161329
>he doesn't know how to use maymay arrows
>>30161429
<Yes I do
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>>30156596
>Making fun of dudes kissing.
Who gives a fuck?
>>30161513
Go and stay go
>>30160115
stupid /k/ people aren't in the Navy, anon
r/newtothenavy is literally the best places for navy questions.
The stupid cunts on meg and /k/ are morons and 99% are in the army and want to be infantry (for god knows what fucking reason)
pic related
average /k/ommando
>>30159515
Just find your nearest recruiting station and call them saying you're interested. Fuck just walk in and talk to them.
If making a phone call seems like too much work, or actual social interaction scares you, then the Military isn't for you.
>>30160115
>>30161810
Fag im a navy vet and i post in these threads all the time. OS2 checkin in.
>>30161895
Dude I have nothing else in my life, what the hell am I supposed to do?
I'm thinking about Army reserves for 35M (humint) or cryptolinguist. I can speak Pashto, Dari, and Arabic already, so when would I take the DLPT and start earning the language bonuses? Also, would I be able to deploy abroad for contracting work while still being in the reserves? If so, how would that work out?
Anyone have any first hand info on 31K?
>>30161963
Dude just go to the recruiters office, im the navy vet from above, what rates are you interested in?
Another life gets ruined by a woman with baseless accusations
Why are you joining the military again?
>Col. Eugene Marcus Caughey, currently assigned to Air Force Space Command at Peterson, was charged Dec.10 with rape and assault at Schriever Air Force Base, Colorado, after in late 2014 or early 2015 he allegedly used “unlawful force” to hold the victim “against the wall and floor” while committing a sexual act, charge sheet documents reveal. He was also charged with various acts of alleged misconduct — which includes taking photos of his genitals while in uniform — dating back to 2013, according to his charge sheet.
>Caughey, a 23-year Air Force veteran, allegedly committed six counts of adultery between 2013 and 2015, in violation of Article 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. One charge with two specifications in violation of Article 133 of the UCMJ, conduct unbecoming of an officer and gentleman, states that Caughey took a photo of his genitals while in uniform in his office.
Caughey has been charged with unlawfully groping women on two other occasions, according to court documents.
Caughey, formerly second in charge of the 50th Space Wing at Schriever, is a survivor of the Sept. 11 terror attack on the Pentagon, according to a Schriever release.
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2016/05/10/air-force-colonel-charged-rape-and-assault-stand-trial/84184632/
>>30161963
I'm not saying don't join, I'm saying if this is something you want to do be proactive. Don't sit and wait. Put YOURSELF out there. Talk to them face to face. This is your life, you need to take control of it. Sitting around waiting for a response to an online "application" isn't helping you achieve your goal of joining.
>>30161990
This is from memory some years ago, but I believe you can't earn FLPP in the Army until after AIT- for a 35M that's at DLI (humint school at Huachuca is first) and for 35P it's after Goodfellow. Also, I think there was a limit on how many languages you could get paid for. Again, I think that's how it was when I was in, the criteria could be different now.
>>30157559
Woah - Someone enlighten me about this...
Who takes people fresh off the street as Warrant Officers?
Enlisted in the army back in September 2015. 94F (Computer/Detection Systems repairs). Finished up my 5 month AIT about two weeks ago. Currently going into jump week at airborne school. Being stationed in Anchorage, Alaska. AMA about training, the enlisting process or anything of that nature. I'm still rather new but I have info to share
RIP
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/03/us/texas-floods/index.html
>>30162952
hows alaska?
1A8X1 checking in
>>30162231
the US Army.
High School to Flight School.
I can't do it... I can't go to bootcamp
>>30163210
>1A8X1
What do you do exactly?
Why does everyone vouch for Crypto jobs from every branch?
Thinking about going into the Army and doing RASP. Anybody got some insight on it?
>>30163739
Good goy! Fight and die for israe-eeeeere I mean the good ole USA!
>>30163778
I don't really care about who or what I'm fighting for, /pol/. I've just always wanted to be a soldier.
>finished college
>having a hard time finding local work in field due to a few factors
>mostly lack of actual places in my field and Good ol boy shit
>contemplating joining the military again like I thought about doing a couple years ago
My biggest question is I was diagnosed with ass burgers and ADHD as a kid and was on meds for a while for it. It's been 5, nearly 6 years since I was on them though and any abnormal shit is under control. Can I just say nothing about this or can they pull up my medical records and find out?
>>30163897
This topic cones up here often. From what I've gotten, unless you think you'll need a TSC you can probably get away with leaving it off.
I'm getting a masters in aero engineering next year in May and I was thinking about becoming a pilot. How's the current atmosphere in the military?
>>30163954
TSC? Is that some kind of waiver? I've been fine off my meds, only thing I can really think of is I need lots of sleep. That's probably just due to me being a lazy shit for the past 5 years though.
>>30158745
Night jump? Which unit?
>>30160789
What m8? Are you talking about is it easier for enlisted men to get into an 18 series Mos compared to an officer trying to get 18A?
The pipeline for enlisted men to get an 18 series Mos is different than officers. Not sure if the still do 18xrays (off the streets) or if it'still strictly prior/current service only. Either way for enlisted you have to be in for a while and you will be eligible to put in your packet, e4 or e5?
The officer route for 18A is at least captain promotable? To be eligible.
I knew an o3 who was talking about resigning his commission to try to gopen so and hopefully 18D. And another who was an 11 series WO and made it through the pipeline.
Any fellow /airforce/ guys in here?
>>30162952
Option 4 or how did you get airborne? I'm assuming you're active duty is why?
>>30163988
Top secret clearance, but other than those, you'd probably be better off leaving it off. The military is unduly harsh about that kind of thing.
>>30164208
If it somehow comes up later on can I just say "Oh, I didn't think it would be an issue" and not get in trouble?
What's the best branch to join if I want to fly helicopters?
FWIW I'm an engineering grad with a PPL and a few hours rotary.
>>30156596
>Wahh mothers and gay people exist in america
was this made in a high school computers class?
>>30164359
Army and go Warrant
>>30156596
Are women in the military really sluts? What branch has the hottest chicks?
Also how does one rank up during and before boot camp
>>30165543
Guess you don't need to be 18 to post here anymore.
>tfw babby's first EMI
It's all gone so wrong.
>>30165560
Pls only serious answers. This is something I NEED to know
>>30165599
All women are sluts. Even your mom.
Air force has hottest grillz. Nasty in the bedroom.
College credits or recruiter assistance is the only way.
>>30165567
>Being a weeb
>Joining the armed forces
You deserve every stab, punch, and insult
>>30156596
>Most deadly military
because of the AIDS?
>>30165765
>implying the armed forces aren't full of weebs
The Navy definitely is.
>>30162126
Yeah, I know there's a $1,000 per month cap. It sucks that I have to wait until after AIT to get it.
>>30163108
I'm not at Alaska yet. I'm still stuck in the taint of America, Georgia. I have one week of airborne left before I go on two weeks of leave then I report to Alaska sometime Torwards the end of June.
>>30164117
It was in my contract and came with the job. Here at the training company out of 450 trainees, three of us were 94Fs. One failed the initial PT test and the other is option 40.
I have a question about AIT: Are recruits allowed to bring personal belongings like laptops? If so, when would they be allowed to access their laptops and would they have internet connections available?
>>30166046
Yep you can have pretty much anything you want. You get quite a bit more free time and depending on your AIT and MOS you can leave base on the weekends and after 1700 when the duty day ends. What is your MOS and how long is your AIT? Depending on your length of stay you get certain extra privileges as well
Alright /k/ommandos I have a sort of shitty plan that I have no Idea if it will work out and I need help because I might be retarded.
So initially, I plan on going to the Chair force academy, don't worry about this part (I have connections) and once I get in attempt to go for pilot (prefrebly f35s or f22s) Now if for some reason I can't get a waiver for my lasik and they disqualify me I'm going into it as an academy and doing something in the intelligence sector. The only reason I am doing this is so I have a good looking college degree for the military private sector.
From here is where I'm confused
I want to go to the FFL, and after 4 years leave, reason being I only want this as experience that looks good. From here I don't know what to do but my end game goal is to make money as a private contractor.
I will do anything and everything, just throw some ideas at me.
Why are you joining the military again? You think you'll be different?
>A Marine officer facing a general court-martial over allegations of sexual assault has been sent to a county jail for violating the terms of his pretrial agreement.
>Tomko faces charges of abusive sexual contact, fraternization, conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman, wrongful possession of anabolic steroids, obstructing justice, conspiracy to obstruct justice and violations of lawful orders, according to the charge sheet against him.
http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/2016/05/12/marine-colonel-faces-brig-time-ahead-trial-alleged-sex-assault/84289656/
Around military females, never relax. His life is ruined and he'll never be able to hold a normal job or live a normal life.
>>30160789
Not necessarily easier as you put it, the pipeline is just much different. Officers in SF can only be on a team for so long before they get rotated out. It's a weird system. If you want to be "doing work" (wink wink), go enlisted.
>>30162022
I remember a couple of threads ago someone asked a similar question. Basically, 31k is a based mos but the slot is extremely rare. I'm talking like 5 every 18 months or so. If you really are considering it, start planning now and around the fiscal year date.
>>30162069
Anon, these things happen in the civi world all the time. The mil is just slightly more politicized for obvious reasons.
>>30163739
Seriously rethink your question before you become a liability to someone. It should look like this, "I don't know if the pool of skills I've acquired in my short lifetime are the ones the regiment are looking for, however I'm willing to push myself to to both mental and physical exhaustion and then some just to find out. Where do I start?"
>>30166129
Pilot in the FFL.
Yep, you're a retard. Play less vidya.
currently in college. afterwards going to OCS for the USMC. to prepare im running...and running...and running. Also learning arabic.
>>30166066
35M or 35P. I know that 35M AIT lasts for 20 week (if I don't get picked up for DLI).
>>30166693
Which Arabic?
fucking marine ocs will reject anyone with a drug waiver for <5 pot uses and since i already filled the sf86 with the navy i dont think i can lie about it
or can I?
>>30163444
I honestly cant tell you what we do.
Im not operational yet anyways.
I am learning korean though. You can figure ill be using it somewhere sometime in the future. I still dont know 100% what ill be doing, though I have an idea.
>>30157804
this picture is accurate. during my rotation the fobbits would literally have nightly themed dance parties, while five companies (including mine) spent on around 8-14 hours a day on patrol. not a huge issue if you actually have pride in yourself, but the disparity in lifestyles was unreal.
I'm 21 with a GED, no college credits or anything. Do I have a chance to make it into any US military branch as I am?
>>30168444
take a semester at a cc
>>30168461
What if I don't have any money and there aren't any local community colleges?
I guess I'm fucked?
>>30168475
online courses maybe? you cant apply for finaid?
For a TS clearance, how far do they look into your finances ? The only debt I have is school loans and one credit card that has a balance on it because i bought a new computer. I have never been late on making payments .Is that going to affect me getting a TS clearance ?
>>30168481
I didn't receive any financial aid. It was for some bullshit reason.
>he had a kid on an enlisted pay check
Who could be this retarded? That's borderline child abuse.
What are rates in the Navy? Basically the equivalent of an MOS?
Is not having a rate, or being needs of the Navy, basically meaning you go to where you're ordered to do basic labir and work? Like chipping paint and serving schloop in the chow hall?
>>30168948
Rate is basically rank+occupation. Like an E4 who works as a radioman would have a rate of ETR3 for being an Electronics Technician (Radio) and a Petty Officer 3rd class.
If you're PACT, you can eventually get the chance to strike at a certain rating you've worked with.
Technically anyone below E4 doesn't have a rate in the Navy, but that's not really the same as being as undesignated as PACT.
At least, I think that's how it goes.
>>30168948
>What are rates in the Navy
Lots
>>30168948
>Basically the equivalent of an MOS
Sure, i dont know mos's so i cant tell you
>>30168948
>Is not having a rate, or being needs of the Navy
Stop right there, its s face worse than death. Get a rate at all costs.
>>30169088
Shut the fuck up. Never give advice in these fucking threads unless you are a vet. You copy and pasted that shit. Radioman dont even exist anymore faggot and yes people below E4 do have rates.
for example i was an OSSN.
>>30156596
Our military is our citizens.
Its our citizens that are the deadliest in the world!
>>30157620
A girl i went to HS with was a bodybuilder.
They taped her. She looked like she would pull the recruiters dick out through his mouth.
>Tfw He said she weighed to much, Before he realized she was solid muscle.
>>30169417
>Radioman dont even exist anymore
I might've believed you, until this part. ETR exists currently as one of the 4 SECF rates. It's slated for a merger with ITS in a few years, but it's still around for the moment.
ETR is pretty new, it was pulled out of ET less than a year ago along with ETN and ETV. It probably didn't exist when you were in.
And like I said, lacking a rate because you're below E4 is a technicality thing.
>>30169580
Sounds like you've sucked her strap on before.
>>30169605
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioman
It no longer exists you shit head. I was a fucking OS which is one of the rates it split into.
ETR and straight "radioman" are 2 different things you short sighted moron.
>lacking a rate because you're below E4 is a technicality thing
No it isnt i was an E-2 Operations Specialist when i started. OSSA. How was i lacking a rating.
Again stop posting.
how long is the schooling for USMC intel 0231? i read some places 2 years but that seems insanely long.
How ridiculous is the HR bullshit in the military? I hear cultural tolerance briefs and gender shit are nonstop all year.
>>30170352
Bullshit like that happens all the time, but guess what, its almost always during working hours so you go instead of working so it aint that bad.
>>30170352
Motorcycle briefs were the best. They show a guy doing a wheelie with his gf on the back and she falls off. She was super hot and got totally shrekt. Deformed to all hell, it's a giggle fest.
>>30170431
>he views indoctrination briefings as a reward
What the fuck is this? Mental cuckoldry?
>>30170570
it gets you out of work like i said you brain dead faggot. If its working vs daydreaming ill take relaxing and day dreaming anyday.
>>30170352
I don't know but I'd like to learn. Going 42B after I graduate if I can get it.
>>30168637
Won't matter. They're looking for delinquent or very irresponsible debt.
>>30168444
Yes.
So long as you do well on the ASVAB, most recruiters will try to jump through a hoop or two for you. Do not expect a fancy job though, be happy with what's available and on the table.
>>30168444
yeah, i have a buddy whose currently a combat engineer and was in the same situation
>>30170352
depends on the branch, army and AF are really touchy, navy and marines seem to care less
>>30165798
whats your rate noob
Meeting AF recruiter on Monday to set a date for MEPS.
I'm looking at jobs that will pay well when out, I have these so far, need some more, any ideas?
Contracting
Space Systems Operations
ATC
I scored a 94 on the EST so I'll qualify for everything most likely.
>>30173826
I'm told that ATC is stressful as fuck, but when you get out into the civilian world it pays generously.
>>30173887
I actually just realized ATC is a 6 year contract so I'm taking that off the list, I don't plan on staying enlisted more than one term.
Which just leaves me with Contracting and Space.
Should I just put down "cool" jobs like Loadmaster and boom?
>>30173826
Cyber Transport is a good one with lots of opportunity on the civ side, if you're into that
>>30173993
I've never been super into the technical side of computers but I'd be happy to learn.
I'm assuming since it's the military I won't really need to know much beforehand?
leaving for SURT tomorrow. ranger school on the 25th. looking forward to how gay its gonna be
>>30174120
You a Ranger?
>>30174120
>>30174221
stupid question, you must be a ranger.
Anyway, is it worth it to try out for RASP now? I'm waiting until October(Fiscal year) but I wanna see who gets elected too.
>>30174221
yeh bruv
>>30174234
if youre gonna join the army go to rasp or go sf. anything else and youll be with all the other fat pussies
Running tips? I despise running but its the only real area I think I need to improve in order to get in. If I can't run a 12 minute mile will they not even look at me? I have a bachelor's degree already.
Enlisting in the Air Force, and really want to get stationed in Europe (family there).
Anyone have success stories of getting stationed where they want?
>>30174309
My dad retired at E7. I was born in Europe, specifically the UK. Enlisted as Air Force and stationed in Europe is fucking great. If you can get your kids dual citizenship even better.
>>30174294
gonna need to run faster than that if youre looking at becoming an officer
>>30174323
Dual citizen with Germany myself, at least for now, not sure whether they're going to make me renounce it or not. Recruiter hasn't exactly been clear about that
>>30174309
>>30174323
Oh, and actual advice: don't sign up for any bases around PACAF on your wanted list. Pick only European bases, because if you volunteer for one PACAF assignment you're considered to have volunteered for the command. Hawaii etc are schmuck bait, because you probably don't get them on your first posting and they'll cycle you to a base you'll probably end up hating.
>>30174247
11b?
I wanna do 68w. With respect to OPSEC, you guys got a lot of work right now?
>>30174334
You don't have to renounce it. Check the page on TS clearance: being born abroad removes their concern about it.
>>30174338
Was planning on putting only European bases anyway.
Are there at least 10 air bases in Europe?
>>30174343
yup and it depends on where you are.
have fun doing socm
>>30174504
Thanks man. I'm excited, Batt life sounds scary as shit but overall excited
Speaking of Rangers, where the fuck is Ricky? Has anyone seen him?
>>30157804
>I also joined in 07 so the war was still going on.
Lol... post-surge babbys itt
>>30174631
being in batt is fucking easy now. without a war going on shit gets soft and gay
especially as a medic. pass socm and youre golden
>>30174681
Solid advice, thanks Rangerbro
It's best that I'm waiting until Oct-Nov for more opening for an Opt 40 and to see who becomes Pres, right?
And I'm not really in great shape, so this gives me time to get into it
>>30174750
become not fat before you join. i wouldnt give a fuck about whos president.
>>30174818
I'm actually ion the other side of the spectrum, a Skelly. I'll bulk adequately and make myself more endurance based.
Retired AF here. Went into nukes, the satcom/ ground radio in an air support unit aligned with the Army. Lots of joint service, deployments that had actual,combat, not safe space crap, and retired from Cyber Transport. Military can be great if you dodge the landlines/women and those out to make a name for themselves. Good luck to those who try and make it.
>>30156596
Pls guys don't join the military. You do realize that it kills human beings right? This isn't the movies or video games. Go to college and finish school. The military is just a way to get our youth to die for the rich. You can be so much. You think the rich are sending their sons and daughters to the front lines? No! For the love of God, if you're considering joining please reconsider. Why would you want to be separated from your family for months on end and even have the chance of dying for a false sense of pride. How can you take pride in knowing you strive to be a murderer? You are not fighting for freedom or democracy you are fighting on behalf of an elite that could give two fucks if you live your die
>>30174818
Why is regiment soft now if guys are still putting in work. Tabspec4 who's apparently in regiment said guys who aren't deploying are getting burned out from countless training rotations. Seems the opposite of soft. Can you elaborate as much as you can?
Anyone recently graduate 68w training? Wondering If ranger Laisons go to 68w AIT and offer rasp slots. There's barely any now that it's "peace time"
>>30175125
Bump for this.
But I would wait like I am for October. It's the start of the 2017 fiscal year, so maybe new Opt's?
I wanna get a 68w Opt 40 rather having to try to get one in AIT
DEPfag here
I forgot to mention a juvenile vandalism charge, I had to do 20 hours of community service and pay 75 dollars in fees as a pretrial diversion program in Ohio
I drew on a park bench
I just found paperwork relating to this in my shit, but it didn't come up at MEPS or my recruiter station check, I think it was sealed
What the fuck do I do? I told my recruiter, he said to not mention it, but it was less than four years ago and I need a Secret clearance. Will this bite me?
>>30175368
By the way, I wasn't arrested, and the SF-86 only asks if I was charged for drugs, alcohol, or a few other things, or if I was arrested
>>30175368
Most likely they will find it, they found a juvenile shoplifting charge on me when my recruiter did my background check and I thought the record was sealed and gone. But since you weren't arrested i'm not too sure
>>30156596
>be conscript
>military tells us that our military service provides valuable experience and we will have an edge when when we apply to civilian jobs compared to those who didn't serve
>finish service, get out, try to get a job
>not a single employer gives a shit
>when i mention my service, recruiters usually express polite disinterest, they only care that i have finished my obligations and aren't dodging the draft
>use examples to show that i learnt teamwork, leadership skills, etc while in the military
>literally nobody cares
>actually had recruiters tell me they would rather hire fresh female graduates than a male graduate with military service experience because the females would be younger and wouldn't need to take time off for reservist training
Why is military service so undervalued?
>Thinking of Navy after college, STEM degree
>fluent in Japanese (around college 5th year) except for military/technical terminology
Do they care about non-OPFOR languages?
Got my interview for boatswain's mate in the Royal Australian Navy coming up this week. I reckon I'll be fine. Any other BMs here?
>>30175500
They aren't going to let you be a Japanese linguist, but being bilingual will help you pick up the Middle Eastern language they'll teach you.
>>30175118
we still train to be elite. were probably the best trained right now than regiment ever has been, but being trained to kill and being a killer are two different things. imo there are a lot of soft dudes here because ncos cant crush them the way they used to.
keep in mind im still a pretty fucking cherry private whos only just now going to get my tab, but from what i hear from the older guys its not the same anymore.
>>30175500
Wait, you have a degree and you want to be enlisted? Or are you shooting for officer jobs?
>>30176255
If Trump gets elected maybe we'll see some action in Syria/North Africa.
We can only hope anon.
>>30174670
Probably saw more action than you baby dick.
>>30176277
>>30174750
This is is boys, no bullshit.
I'm guess we're going to strike back at ISIS, going for the neck.
>>30176255
> but from what i hear from the older guys its not the same anymore.
There has never been a time in the history of any Army where the cherry privates weren't told that they're soft compared to "back in my day" by the older guys.
>I don't think you've been entirely honest with us here at MEPs, Anon. We know you're lying. Why don't you sit outside and come back when you're ready to fess up.
>>30176644
>tfw they tried this to me.
>tfw I saw it comming
>tfw I told them to run my clearance paperwork anyways
>it came back as cleared
Sometimes being a loser in high school helps and is the reason im going to japan with a comfy job.
>>30176782
Haha you fucking weeb. Locals hate American military, enjoy the base pog.
>>30176593
This...
People have been accusing new guys of having stress cards in boot since like the 80s. If you guy into the "in my day" meme then you're as retarded as the average American thinks you are.
It is just a trick to get you to think you're a badass, moron.
>>30176782
>mfw you apparently think that oki = japan
>>30176593
>>30176921
This is 100% not true. You faggots have clearly never served or else youd know rules now are stricter and more touchy feely than ever. I have a perfect example from my time in the navy.
This thing called fan room counseling used to exist. If you were lazy, stupid, or fucking up in general they would take you into a fan room and beat the shit out of you until you wised up. Now, they write you a counseling chit which no one gives a fuck about.
>>30178522
They're deppers that don't want to admit they'll be serving alongside females and the military has been gentrified.
Same thing in the corps. Fuckers used to get code reds for fucking up (we didn't call it that it was called "policing our own").
>>30156596
>>30178702
This is all true, anyone who says otherwise hasnt experienced it first hand. And it is all 100% womens fault. They are the reason all old traditions are dying.
>>30175420
anyone care to explain this?
>>30159429
Dunno about Army but in the AF if your AFSC is full, recruiting duty can be taken on to avoid getting cut. That's what happened to me anyway.
Though fucking the high school girls is quite a benefit. pic "unrelated"
>>30175394
I hope not, I ship off soon
Oh well
Who are the biggest nazis?
>Regular Security Forces
>AFOSI
>HUMINT
And how to avoid getting gestapo'd?
>>30162952
Hey fag, I'm assuming your in alpha company? I'm literally right down the road from you, I graduated a couple weeks ago
>>30162952
did you ask to be stationed in alaska? im thinking of joining army and my first choice of station as far as USA would be alaska. I hate heat and I love remoteness. Do you need to have a specific job to go there?
>>30174247
You currently where the RASP barracks are?
>>30180193
>Females in Unit
>Officer Wives
>SARC/SAPR/Green Dot/Whatever the fuck they call themselves now
Avoid breaking the law and disclosing confidential or sensitive information in order to not be a dirtbag Airman.
>>30180340
Sounds like you mostly just have problems with women.
I'm 23 years old and I don't have a degree. Is it a good idea to join or would I be wasting my time?
I'm thinking of going to university this fall and getting a degree, but I'll be 26 by the time I get it and I feel like that's too old.
Any thoughts on what I should do?
>>30180507
>would I be wasting my time
How would it be a waste?
If you love it then you stay in.
If you hate it get out with Gi Bill and get degree for free after.
Win win?
>>30180571
You're right, but I'm just wondering if my lack of education would mean I get a shitty job like cook.
I don't expect to get the best job either.
I'm currently in the DEP for the marines leaving August 2nd. I run a 300 pft and do a shit ton of swimming running and lifting. What else should I do to prepare for bootcamp and BRC.
>>30180610
>lack of education
What are you talking about? YOu dont need any education at all. All enlisted jobs basically can be gotten at 18 straight out of highschool. As long as you arent a moron and score high on the asvab you can get any job you want.
>>30180631
Make sure your feet are tough. Start wearing boots everyday plus walking/jogging in them gradually to toughen up and build calluses.
>>30180699
>What are you talking about? YOu dont need any education at all. All enlisted jobs basically can be gotten at 18 straight out of highschool. As long as you arent a moron and score high on the asvab you can get any job you want.
Sorry, I know practically nothing about joining the military. Where can I learn more about this kind of stuff?
>>30180751
Google?
First decide what type of job you want, then decide on the branch. This is because the type of job you get will decide your fate far more than what branch you are stuck in. Some jobs are god tier and some will make you want to kill yourself on the daily. What do you see yourself doing in the military?
>>30180799
>What do you see yourself doing in the military?
Fuck, I don't even know. I'm still in the early stages of considering joining so I haven't though much about it.
I wouldn't want to do anything boring like deskwork. If I could learn new skills that would be cool.
I'm on the fence about infantry.
gonna start googling now
Can sleep apnea prevent me from joining the AF?
I got diagnose with it two years ago but lately after doing more exercise and losing more weight I have been sleeping fine without it. Would getting tested again to prove I can sleep without it clear things up?
>>30180865
>If I could learn new skills
You gotta narrow it down more than that man. The military has hundreds of jobs to choose from. For example if you wanted to be a helo mechanic you pretty much could be in any branch but lets say you want to work on sonar then thats pretty much Navy only. Dont consider Coast Guard its lame. If you literally have no idea where to start just go to all the branches websites and scroll through the job/Rate/MOS listings and read all the descriptions.
>>30180631
whats your routine? i need to hit 300
>>30180865
As someone who has had both a "desk" job and a "field" job in the non-deploying Army, the desk one was more interesting. Desk jobs actually have a chance to work in garrison, and when they aren't working you can browse 4chan at your desk instead of standing around outside like some jobs.
You do you, anon, but don't fall into the trap of thinking that infantry in peacetime is going to be like the movies.
>>30156596
Is it fucking stupid for me to think that I have a chance at becoming a SEAL/Ranger/etc.?
>>30181050
When you run distances you don't think about the whole thing. You set a line a certain distance ahead and think about reaching that line. When you get close you set another line. And another. And eventually you've run five miles.
Think of doing something very difficult like joining SOF as running.
>>30170588
If you don't like your job, then why did you join in the first place?
>>30181070
He's the average enlistedfag. His low end job is the closest he can get to a normal life after fucking up his real life. He has no where else to go. He'll likely end up pumping out kids to make his life seem worthwhile, if he hasn't already.
>>30180940
>If you literally have no idea where to start just go to all the branches websites and scroll through the job/Rate/MOS listings and read all the descriptions.
That's what I'm doing right now senpai
>>30180953
>You do you, anon, but don't fall into the trap of thinking that infantry in peacetime is going to be like the movies.
I know it won't be like the movies, and I'm fine with that.
I just want to do something "fun". I've spent the last five years since high school working shitty minimum wage jobs and dropping out of university. I think the military is a good option for me maybe.
A friend of my brother was in the Marines and he got to travel all over the world (Africa, Korea, Russia). I don't know what his job was but I'd like to see the world and the military is probably my best bet.
>>30181070
>>30181095
Shit heads everyone needs a break now and again. Thats like saying you would never take a day off cause you love working that much. You 2 are clearly faggots who never served so please get out of this thread.
And >>30181095
I joined at 18 and i loved my job while i was in and now im in college. Hows your life faggot
>>30181100
>That's what I'm doing right now senpai
>I just want to do something "fun"
>got to travel all over the world
I was Navy, look up Air crew jobs. When we went on deployment and brought helos on board the enlisted guys rode the helos and could have been door gunners if shit popped off. Seemed like a sweet gig you might like it. Its a tough job thought and you have to be a great swimmer.
>>30181153
>Aircrew Survival Equipmentmen: keep parachutes, life rafts, personal flight gear, and other aviation survival gear in proper working condition.
Is this the job you're talking about? It's the only job I could find with "aircrew" in it.
>>30180610
>shitty job
You don't have a degree, which means you'll be enlisted. Of course your job will suck, that's why you are enlisted.
>>30181267
Enlisted with a degree, got out after four years and now making more than any of my officers who are still in.
>>30181125
Please don't come at me with that bullshit.
>>30181219
>Aircrewman Tactical Helicopter (AWR): Operates tactical mission systems to detect, classify and attack enemy submarines while onboard SH-60B and SH-60R aircraft. Operates UAS and UAS payloads. Also operates tactical support center systems at shore installations and tactical mobile systems in expeditionary MTOC units. Primary rescue swimmer during SAR missions.
http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/enlisted/community/aviation/Pages/AW.aspx
Just a suggestion, it seemed pretty sweet from my point of view.
>>30181267
>Of course your job will suck, that's why you are enlisted.
This is completely untrue. Seals dont have degrees, you saying there jobs suck?
>>30181309
What bs? You mad cause it worked out great for me and you are still a huge faggot whose probably been posting here for years but is to afraid to serve?
>>30181350
that does seem pretty cool
>>30181306
what did you do?
anyone gotten a weed waiver recently? what would cause a waiver to be denied?
>>30181415
>what did you do?
Got good at some extremely specialized intelligence work, got a Master's degree, and ended up being very marketable as a contractor. I'd like to say I planned it out from the get-go, but the truth is it just kind of fell into my lap.
If I had commissioned there's no way I would have ended up where I am now at age 27. Officers don't have the opportunities to do hands-on stuff that enlisted do, but commissioning is a very safe way to a stable upper middle class life followed by a comfortable retirement.
>>30181542
All of this is true. The military can set you up like you wouldnt believe. Being enlisted gets a bad rap cause there are idiots in the military just like in every other facet of life. As long as you go in with a plan you can get ahead in life pretty easily.
>>30181542
did you get your Master's during or after your enlistment?
>be conscript
>military tells us that our military service provides valuable experience and we will have an edge when when we apply to civilian jobs compared to those who didn't serve
>finish service, get out, try to get a job
>not a single employer gives a shit
>when i mention my service, recruiters usually express polite disinterest, they only care that i have finished my obligations and aren't dodging the draft
>use examples to show that i learnt teamwork, leadership skills, etc while in the military
>literally nobody cares
>actually had recruiters tell me they would rather hire fresh female graduates than a male graduate with military service experience because the females would be younger and wouldn't need to take time off for reservist training
Why is military service so undervalued?
>>30180941
Well I did track and wrestling, now I run at least a mile to the gym, lift, then swim, then run back
>>30181692
>>military tells us that our military service provides valuable experience and we will have an edge when when we apply to civilian jobs compared to those who didn't serve
Being a grunt does not give you valuable experience in the civilian world. You have to do something like EOD/Combat Engineer, sniper school, shit like that and other more POG positions to actually get useful job skills.
>>30181718
then why do infantry officers and NCOs find it so easy to get jobs in the civilian world?
>>30181811
>why does 4+ years of managerial and leadership experience make finding jobs easier
Your average grunt was never in charge of ten or more people constantly. Officers have to have a bachelor's degree anyway (At least in the US military) so they're already fairly set.
>>30181377
I'm not here to try and measure your e-dick, bud.
>>30181867
>I'm not here to try and measure your e-dick, bud
Like i thought you are completely btfo and have nothing to say. Im not lying so theres no e-dick. Everything i said is true so you can keep shitposting in your late 20s pretending that someday you'll work up the courage and actually join. Protip that day is never going to come. You are always going to be a faggot. Drop dead and never come into these threads again bud.
>>30181425
A waiver is just a piece of paper that tells them to deny you and nothing more.
>>30181901
lmao cool it man. You're getting heated at me over 4chan.
Will joining the military get me a gf and make me less of a manchild?
>>30181857
Your average civilian is NEVER in charge of 10 people or more.
I was a squad leader in charge of twelve. Sometimes 30 as 1st squad leader when platoon Sgt was gone.
>>30181718
Lmao. First guy sounds as dumb as this pog.
>>30181993
The problem with these threads is that most people posting and giving advice here are just like >>30181970, they pretend to give advice even though they are completely clueless, never served, and have their priorities out of whack.
What bases are on your dream sheet?
Frankly, gays in the military is fucking great. It'll help break the stereotype within the gay community that if you like cock, you have to be a rainbow-unicorn-asshole-spreading-flag-waving pansy. Look at the Greeks: homosexuality =? faggotry. Sparta. Current Western gay culture is horrendously pussified. They could use some hard fatherfuckers in their midst--I can't wait to see combat-ready, open-carrying bears replacing the inferior blue-haired pacifists. Gay v. Lesbian war when?
But honestly, I'm CERTAIN psyop is at least partially behind this: they're essentially weaponizing potential anal rape. Roaming bands of heavily-armed, horny psychopathic faggots? IS would be shaking in its collective hetero-goat-fucking boots.
What are the odds of getting accepted to the USAFA as an enlisted Airman? 1540 SAT (out of 1600) good physical condition, and will be taking college courses while in.
And yes, I've heard it sucks a lot of cock and balls, but I'm curious
>>30182105
Who are you asking? What branch are you in cause thats kind of important.
>>30182108
>Look at the Greeks: homosexuality =? faggotry. Sparta.
That isn't true. The relationship between an erastes and eromenos was more ritualized bisexuality, and the Spartans explicitly outlawed the practice.
>Current Western gay culture is horrendously pussified.
Gee. I wonder why.
