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Hey /k/.
How about a thread about the worst of the worst?
The most fucked up examples of firearms to ever leave the factory. Be it shitty workmanship, bewildering design decisions or just abject failure.
If your favorite gun is posted and you get butthurt, you're too easily trolled. But please, do try to keep it on-topic, guys.
To start things off, the relatively unknown Crossfire Mk1. It's a pump-action combo gun (.223 and 12 gauge) that no one asked for and everyone knew would be trash except for the guys making it. Heavy, expensive, clunky, ugly and an all around disaster. It's only worth buying as an oddity you forever leave in your safe.
Next up, the "Zip gun".
This little bugger makes no sense. Why would you want to mount a .22lr pistol onto your rifle or shotgun? Why would you put the charging handle in front of the gun DIRECTLY ABOVE THE BARREL?
Worse yet, the bolt, being made of polymer, is so light weight that almost all of the work in this straight-blowback POS is done by the springs. This means the bolt moves so god damned fast that even Ruger's own magazines are too slow to keep up. You'd figure they would have figured that out in testing, right? Apparently not.
Uncomfortable, of dubious utility and barely functional, this thing was dead on arrival. You would almost be better off with the cheap, home-made single shot "zip guns" people have been making for several decades.
Or how about the now infamous INSAS rifle?
An AK derivative produced by India to be their main service rifle, the INSAS has proven to be a failure in every way conceivable. Inaccurate, unreliable, inconsistent manufacturing... The rivets never seem to be in the same locations from one rifle to another, they have been known to spray oil into the face of the operator, the magazines crack in cold temperature... Every single corner there was to cut has been cut and the result is a firearm that still ends up costing significantly more than it is worth.
Good thing India is replacing it... With a modified version of it called the Excalibur, with changes like having an AR style stock instead...
Now this one might actually piss some people off...
The SPAS-12 has been a staple in movies, tv shows, comics and videogames for decades... But was it any good?
No. No it wasn't.
The gimmick was that it could function in semi-automatic or pump-action if the rounds were too weak to cycle it properly.
Released with a dangerous flaw that caused the gun to fire when flipping the safety, a mechanism that destroys itself without the addition of rubber buffers in the back of the receiver (which have a tendency to degrade), the ergonomics of a brick and a ridiculous price tag made this shotgun little more than an interesting movie prop.
Speaking of movie props... The Calico isn't much better than that either. This is another case of good idea, bad execution.
An extremely high capacity firearm with downward ejection? Sounds great! Except for the sights being mounted onto the notoriously unreliable magazines. Count yourself lucky if you can get through a full magazine without some sort or failure, because that's more than the typical Calico owner can say.
They did look fucking cool in that Bond film, though.
>>30137374
Holy shit, i read about that monstrosity but now I want to see moooore pics of that garbage. Makes me feel good about mu garage ak builds
>>30137430
DELETE THIS!!!
>>30137467
I had one of the newer ones, with a 100rd drum, and it worked really well.
The trigger pull sucked ass really hard though.
>>30137332
Cunt that made that was the USAF Firearms, that made really nice SAA revolvers.
There's no extractor either. So if you get a loaded round stuck, the instructions he came up with were to put your mouth over the barrel and blow it out.
>>30137430
Everyone already knows that. Everyone has always known that.
>>30137467
Rumor has it the modern production ones are ship shape and have a pic rail for optics negating the irons issue.
I own both.
>>30137430
Except that one SPAS-12 fired 10,000 rounds during a Coast guard test with no problems. Only didn't adopt it because muh price
>>30137744
Wow
>>30137259
I saw one of those at a gun show, only good for drawing in people for the what the fuck is that factor. Felt cheap, and was more than an AR and shotgun separately
>>30137374
At least they'll be a superpower by 2020
>>30137744
http://www.dailypioneer.com/todays-newspaper/ak-47s-to-arm-crpf-to-teeth.html
They've even replaced it with AK's in certain areas.
>>30137430
I agree, actually,
They're cool as fuck but why were they ever dreamt of in the first place?
A pump action shotgun that could also do semi auto? Why?
Davis-Warner Infallible pistol
"Blocks the Sear"
>>30138165
Looks like hi points grandma
>>30138143
The ability to use rounds w/ less velocity than required to operate the action but still be capable of semi auto w/ hotter ammo
>>30138143
so you have all the power of a semi but can still use nonlethal
>>30137259
i have that foregrip on my ar
>>30137259
>Crossfire Mk1
It's such a piece of shit that the manual actually states that owners should NOT field strip them for cleaning. And that only a certified gunsmith should attempt to take the gun apart.
>>30137374
>INAS
The magazines are made by a company that make plastic lawn chairs.
The feed lips on the mags are known to break off completely if you load the magazine with more than 20 rounds.
The mag springs wear out after fewer than 100 loadings, even if you only load the mag half-full.
>>30137744
holy shit i could a better ar myself...
Note, that this is translated from Norwegian which is not a language I have a lot of experience with so there may be some flaws in the translation.
Translation:
Engineer Landstrad's <<Automatic revolver>> from 1900, made at the royal armories.
Only very few shots were fired during trials, and the revolver can be said to have been a complete failure.
The <<Automatic revolver>> was however the first Norwegian design tested while considering possible adoption of a semi-auto service pistol.
The revolver is preserved in England. (Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess collection and photo)
This revolver was an attempt to get around numerous patents preventing Norwegian companies from using more practical designs.
It fires the 7.5mm Nagant revolver cartridge and apart from the strange oval 2-chamber cylinder which rotates 180 degrees between shots, this has more in common with a striker fired blowback pistol than a revolver.
As far as I know only a single prototype was ever made.
It's whereabouts now seem uncertain.
>>30139457
Maybe, but you can't a sentence yourself.
>>30137430
Except this is bs and many guns have receiver buffers.
Just because it's in Hollywood doesn't make it bad.
>no one posting the original meme gun
>>30137790
>There's no extractor either. So if you get a loaded round stuck, the instructions he came up with were to put your mouth over the barrel and blow it out.
Wut!?
>>30137744
The Armenian K11...
A picture speaks 1,000 words. kek
>>30137259
I actually think this would look pretty cool with different texturing and without the stupid thumb loop
>>30139694
The square magazine 30-06 conversion was the shit one phampai. The 8mm in your pic was ok for the time.
>>30139727
Would be perfect in a slav scifi movie
>>30139676
>>30139694
Eh, their terribleness is greatly exaggerated.
The CSRG m1915 version in 8mm Lebel worked okay provided it was clean and the magazines were intact. The magazines were always shit and broke easily, but it didn't take long for the guns be to issued with a protective cover to keep mud out of them.
But the Chauchat was very quick and cheap to produce compared to other light machine guns of the era. This meant it was much more common in the trenches.
I believe they made 5 chauchats for every single Lewis gun.
They made more chauchats than any other model of automatic weapon during the war, and that includes Maxims.
And I'd rather my squad have a chauchat than have no machine guns at all.
Almost all the bad stuff you hear from the chauchats come from the CSRG m1918 model.
This was a .30-06 version made for the US expeditionary force since the Americans had a desperate shortage of machine guns.
When the US entered the war the US army had fewer than 100 machine guns.
The model 1918 chauchats were made with incorrectly sized chambers which were too tight and caused a number of serious problems.
You couldn't manually slam the bolt home wither since the charging handle was not directly connected to the carrier, and the gun had no forward assist.
The faulty barrel was the only real problem with the gun.
Model 1918 chauchats have been repaired and found to be in perfect working order after only having the chamber reamed to proper specs, and having the relief groves for the extractor cut slightly deeper. It's something an armorer could do in the field in about half an hour.
Even so the US troops generally just discarded their .30-06 chauchats and replaced them with the French 8mm versions.
The design is pretty solid, after the war the Dutch bought a number of them and modified them for 7mm Mauser.
These guns supposedly ran very well and were kept in service right up until 1939 when they were sold to Finland.
>>30139754
>>30139858
The Chauchat was also significantly lighter than basically every other firearm that filled the same role.
Chauchat: 20 lbs
Maxim: 60 lbs
Lewis: 28 lbs
Bren: ~23 lbs
Vickers: 33 lbs
>>30137332
I always kek when I see this abortion.
>Mount under a AR15, or shotgun
it was a solution looking for a problem
>Charging handle in front of barrel
What can go wrong??
Alright, now we get to the REAL shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9SJYJy1xuU
>>30141416
I agree that was a shit gun, but it was more shit by poor execution of a fucking great idea.
>>30141499
If you work in engineering, the entire video is fucking TORTURE.
>>30141416
'nuff said
Cant believe this hasn't been tossed out
>>30141700
>suppressible revolver
>shit
>>30141661
It's a shame too it looks so good.
>>30141930
Aesthetically, yes, but then you look at construction and design and it looks like horseshit stacked on more horseshit.
>>30142482
It's a shame they didn't just manufacture more of the original...
>>30141730
>20 pound trigger pull
>>30139561
Wait... the mag is in the grip but it has a 2 cylinder revolving chamber?
>>30137744
Poo in loo
This ugly hunk of junk
>>30137332
I guess it could have a niche as a suppressed weapon. Something to silently dispatch sentries. If it was better built and had double function of foregrip, it'd take off sky high.
>>30143314
>>30137332
How about something like this? Straight pull to ensure there's no sound of bolt cycling, mag fed for quick reload.
>>30143274
D E L E T E T H I S !
>>30143235
When you rack the slide it pushes a round into the bottom chamber.
pull the trigger about half-way the cylinder rotates 180 degrees lining the loaded cylinder up with the barrel.
When you pull the trigger fully the striker is released and the gun fires, the slide starts moving backwards dragging the spent case with it.
The spent case is ejected and the slide moves forward, the striker is cocked, as the slide moves forward the bottom of the slide picks up a new round form the magazine and loads it into the bottom chamber.
The mechanism is now ready to fire again.
>>30137744
THIS HAS TO BE FAKE
This abomination. Jams every 5th shot.
>>30144195
Blanks jam the fuck out of it.
Live rounds run sort of okay in it, which is bad since the fucking thing has a tendency to run away when shooting live ammo so you'll release the trigger and the fucking thing will still keep shooting.
>>30144162
100% legit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnpOis10NyQ
So, not a surprise to anyone that Cobray made a shit gun, but this one is particularly interesting to me in that it's like they started work on a semi-auto shotgun and just gave up half way.
>>30144477
It's literally just a prettied up slam fire pipe shotgun. like a sten drunkenly fucked some lead plumbing and this stillborn piece of shit fell out a few Months later.
>>30143149
>He doesnt do 10 kilograms barbell with his index everyday
>>30144070
You just said a lot of words, and I am still not sure I understand how any of that works... Am I a dummy?
>>30145033
>pulling the trigger rotates the cylinder before firing, like most revolvers
>blowback from firing loads a new round from the magazine into the cylinder and ejects the spent she'll
Kinda brilliant I think.
>>30139727
What's so bad about the K11 other than using intermediate cartridges?
>>30141416
>Hessy=Vulcan=Blackthorne
Remember this, /k/omrades
>>30141661
>>30141930
>>30142482
>>30142721
Guys, what is that?
>>30141416
I can't find anything on Vulcan arms, no wiki no website no nothing, what the hell? What's the story of this company? Everything points to underground crap based on the lack of info.
>>30137430
lol m8 you dont really have shit on it
the only real bad things about it was that the early models had a flaw with the safety which was fixed and they shipped parts to owners to fix safety
>>30139727
it looks like something I built in mgsv
>>30146123
Shit company that made terrible shit at exorbitantly high prices.
>>30146085
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_R51
Watch the initial reviews for a good laugh.
>>30138143
No, its a semi-auto shotgun that can be used with a pump action.
>>30139561
.....I want one.
>>30141166
>BREN
Wrong war mate.
>>30139694
I feel like posting the chauchat in a bad weapons thread and responding with "the 30-.06 was shit the others were fine" is like posting it ain't me meme with "it was fortunate son" meme response
>>30145116
Or you could just, you know, not have a revolving cylinder at all
>>30147492
It was just to illustrate that it was fucking light weight for the time, man.
>>30144729
To give it some credit at least, some insane fucker cut the receiver for a Bren mag made to work with 12g because it could run full auto, believe it's the only one of them on the NFA registry
>>30137430
>HUUR 30+ y/o rubber buffer needs to be replaced with new easy to find ones
>HUURR first few had bad safeties that were replcaed w/ cross bolt... and no more issues exist
>HUUR switching from semi to pump is dumb b/c who uses their shotgun for different loads
>Pushing a button is too hard...
confirmed for not owning / shooting one.
Ergos are fine and I love mine... is it my first choice today for SHTF, no but neither is my nugget, garand, SKS or...*insert old or vintage collectable firearm name here
>>30138219
The Groza is love Groza is life , its sad that there's no advantage to have a bullpup ak
Would have been a cool gun in different circumstances, but during the war the quality control was not very good.
>>30141661
The few out there that actually function are real nice guns tho. Too bad they couldnt get the manufactoring difficulties sorted out.
>>30137374
Everyone knows that monstrosity can only be the creation of Indians.
>>30137790
lots of .22lr dont have an extractor, they expect the rim to be driven against the firing pin and stuck until it flies against the ejector
>>30147386
This.
They change their name every few years once their people realize how terrible their products are.
>>30145026
Sometimes I have to move my dick to scratch underneath it, so I have some experience.
>>30137744
>poo
>poo
>poo
>oop
why did i laugh at this
>>30137744
God damn thanks for the laugh
>>30143235
Fucking Norwegians.
>>30149247
Agreed. Great platform, poorly executed because USSR was breathing down their necks.
But I'm also a big fan of 8mm so take my opinion with a grain of salt
>>30137744
it looks so cool though
>>30139727
is that bolt action?
>>30143149
that is due to poor manufacturing techniques. i guarantee that if the Belgians made them they would all be slick shooters
>>30143274
ugly, but a very functional gun.
shit its made by walther, how bad could it be?
>>30149247
and if it werent for that dumb flapper-lock system. tilting bolt would have been better
>>30149109
Except to punish left-handed people by breaking their teeth.
Southpaws are the devil.
>>30151292
see, the problem is you're expecting a German designer to simplify the final product when possible.
>>30151661
so many German guns are so good, then you get stupidly over complicated piles of dookie
i dont get it
>>30151180
That's inherently wrong though. They're terrible shooters because of the design. With every trigger pull you push the cylinder forward to create a seal so that you can squeeze every fps out of a weak round
>>30151890
most revolvers suck in double action anyway. have you actually ever shot a Nagant revolver that was not a wartime production?
>>30151945
Oh, I see. You're a fucking moron, carry on
>>30144477
>they didn't even bother with a rear sight
>>30144477
by the emperor its like ork tech
>>30141700
These are perfectly decent revolvers, what are you talking about? Sure, its an enemic cartridge and the double action is pretty stiff but you can still use it perfectly well in SA and most pistols of the era were .38s or .32s. For a $100 gun its a pretty great little pistol, and with a file and steel wool you can really polish up the interior mechanics.
>>30143440
You should send that to keltec.
>>30139858
The most impressive part about the Chauchat is that it was originally a much more refined weapon offered before the war started but the military wasn't interested. In 1915 they realized they needed it, but it as to be simplified as much as possible so that most parts could be outsourced to small machine shops for cheap and fast production. That gun pionneered the use of stamped steel as well. It went from the drawing board to the field in a matter of months.
>>30148144
That with an improved stock would make my dick diamonds.
>>30152670
To be fair it's a shotgun. Alot dont.
>>30144195
dad fired the thing in the 70s. Said that it was fun shooting it and he doesnt remember that it would have ever malfunctioned
>>30149981
the one upsideown
The fucking Ross rifle. It was ludicrously accurate but that was about it. The dirty little bastard constantly jammed and then had to be taken apart all the time. Oh, and if you put it back together wrong? The bolt would fly back and put your eye out, maybe fucking kill you. It worked like a sack of shit in the muddy trenches. It was supposed to be the primary weapon for Canadian forces in WWI but it was so fucking awful that as soon as they got to the front, they'd ditch the damn things and snag a dead man's Enfield.
>>30154206
It was kept only as a sniper rifle
>>30154299
All it was good for. Like I said, ludicrously accurate was all it had going for it.
>>30154206
>The bolt would fly back and put your eye out, maybe fucking kill you.
Fudd, plz
>>30149171
>implying
Was the Jatimatic any good?
It looks awkward as fuck to operate and shoot.
>>30156837
The FDF never tested the original Jatimatic, but they tested the GG-95 PDW (which was an attempted revival) and they found it unsuitable for use.
>>30154206
So much wrong with this post.
Military models had a rivet tp prevent the bolt from being reassembled wrong. Likewsie there were no confiormed cases of a soldier ever being injured from the rifle, that was a rumour started in parliment.
The chamber was reamed for the actual size of .303, not oversized like the Brits did. With proper ammo made to actual standards it fired fine and would not jam. Shit british ammo and from ther colonies was usually out of spec and would jam ANY rifle with an in spec chamber. This included the Vickers. machine gunners and snipers made sure to only use certain factories ammo.
As for the ditching of rifles. Again never happened. British high comand passed down an order to switch to the LE. This was supposedly for unity among commonwealth amrs and armoureers supply chains but in actuallity it meant they made a profit as Canada was forced to buy the SMLEs.
>>30139561
your translation is correct
>>30147716
But then you would just have a straight up blowback pistol with a regular slide, and that would infringe on patents.
>>30154011
>It went from the drawing board to the field in a matter of months.
Which explains the main flaw of the gun, why the magazine sucked.
It had big open inspection windows in the sides which was a disaster in the trenches.
But the magazine was originally designed to be top mounted, and it was designed for aircraft use, not muddy trenches or fields full of sand and dirt.
Sure the magazine sucked but only because it was pressed into a roll it was never designed for out of shear desperation.
>>30157179
By the end of the war the Canadians had solved most of the problems affecting the Ross rifle.
They had fixed the problem with incorrect bolt assembly by installing a rivet preventing incorrect assembly.
They made the chambers looser to accommodate the BritShit ammo.
And the made the bolt components out of better steel that was heat treated properly.
This meant that unlike the older Ross rifles, this new was unlikely to jam with BritShit ammo.
And even if it did jam and you had to beat the rifle half to death to open the bolt, the bolt would not be deformed by this action.
The beating of the bolt open caused severe problems on older Ross rifles, this was no longer an issue on the newer Ross rifles.
There was also an new more or less standard set of field modifications to the Ross that cut down the barrel making the rifle much lighter and easier to handle. This can be seen as the last military version of the Ross, and this version was generally well liked by the men who carried it.
It was however very short lived as the order to switch to Enfields came only a few weeks after this newest unofficial version started creeping onto the front lines.
>>30149171
What's wrong with the Rk 62? Everything I've heard about Valmet rifles (I live in Canuckistan so no AKs for me) indicated that they were awesome?
>>30159555
The only thing wrong with them is that they are a bit heavy, some models have weird stocks, and some people complain that they lack a last round hold open device.
Some people bitch and moan that they MUST obviously be inaccurate since the rear sight is mounted on the dust cover.
That would be a problem on a normal AK, but the RK62/76 series is modified in such a way that it poses no problem.
The zero does not wander on an RK.
>>30159555
>>30160984
the problem is that theyre old as fuck and abused to hell by little finnish conscripts for the last 40 years
AND the people servicing them are total noob "gunsmith" conscripts that are tired and dont give a fuck about their shitty "job" in the army
so
half the rifles jam every magazine.. probably from mismatched parts AND
the rear sight wobbles like a mother fucker
although you might get lucky and get a nice one idk :3
>>30159555
>>30160984
>>30161239
basically this
