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Long range precision shooting general thread.
What is the best round past 1000yds?
What rifles do you guys run?
Any tips for a beginner? I want to win 1000yd matches and get into sniper school.
>>30108158
Consider anything in 6.5 or 7mm
7mm Fuck you fan myself
Generally, the bigger the round, the higher the BC and velocity, and the farther out you can accurately hit things.
I think the best you're going to get is 14.9 SOP.
If you don't want a 70 pound rifle, use 20/50 Anzio.
If you don't want a 50 pound rifle, use .375 Chey Tac.
If you don't want to spend 30 dollars a round on a meme caliber from a shit company, buy something in .50 BMG and enjoy your relatively cheap milspec ammo.
If that's still too heavy for you, .338 Lap Mag.
From there you don't really need specialized long distance shooting rounds.
>>30108178
.338 Lapua Magnum is big enough to hunt any animal on the North American continent and it's more than enough for competition at a thousand yards.
I think that makes it an excellent recommendation.
Of course .50 BMG is fun like a frolicking midget.
>>30108300
Needless to say, OP will be unable to fully use any kind of rifle without practice.
Most rifles will outshoot you for a long, long time.
But yeah, I want to hunt deer from three or four miles away with a 14.9 SOP rifle with a state of the art computerized fire control system.
>>30108324
>practice
Is shooting at a shorter range with a cheaper cartridge (or an air rifle) good practice, or is shooting long range with bigger cartridges a whole other ballgame?
>>30108300
You know, if you have a barrel with a midget in it, and the midget runs out of the barrel to the target, wouldn't that be the most precise/accurate firearm in existence?
Midget-guided ballistics
>>30108366
.22 will teach you the fundamentals without any risk of developing a flinch.
It's unobtanium now though. I think it still helps when you move on to bigger calibers, but at 1000 yard kind of ranges, you need to be able to estimate bullet drop and windage.
>>30108366
you'd be better off spending the money on a quality long range marksman course
>>30108366
Shooting is easy
Ballistic calculations make bullet drop predictable
Calling the wind at 600+ is a bitch
>>30108406
>you'd be better off spending the money on a quality long range marksman course
I'm in central Pennsylvania, where do I find one of these without going .mil right away? I'm willing to travel a bit.
>>30108402
>at 1000 yard kind of ranges, you need to be able to estimate bullet drop and windage
>>30108409
>Ballistic calculations make bullet drop predictable
>Calling the wind at 600+ is a bitch
Any good reading materials on this?
>>30108438
Ballistic calculations are easy, you can do them at hornady's website.
All you need is to know:
Elevation
Temp
Humidity
Bullet weight
Ballistic coefficient
Speed at muzzle (yes you need a chronograph)
Zero range distance eg: 100yrds
Maximum range
Prevailing wind info & average speed
>>30108178
>14.9 SOP
Holy fucking shit.
>>30108166
6.5x47 Lapua
It's some good shit.
>>30108438
Sniper 101 on you tube , The guy explains it pretty well . It's a 86 hour long thing if I'm not mistaken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ
>>30108158
>any tips for a beginner
get a .22
lmao
>>30111060
OP here, I bought a Stevens 86D the other day to get better at bench shooting. Most of my experience is run-and-gun pistol and carbine.
>>30111041
Spasibo, tovarishch. I will make of the viewings.
Figure this thread is a good one to ask – what's the most penetrating round that can be comfortably shoulder fired without a muzzle brake?
>>30111982
>what's the most penetrating round
your wife's boyfriend's dick
>>30111982
depends on your shoulder
>>30108402
>It's unobtanium now though
Are you retarded?
T. Guy who bought 3 bricks at a fully stocked walmart this weekend
>>30112834
Walmarts around me (central Pennsylvania) have been empty, but it's still available from various online ammo sellers.
>>30112818
Say for an average shooter.
>>30114325
"Penetration" is a weird thing, are we talking armor or concrete? or just bodies? different rounds do different things, and then whether its frangible or armor piercing adds a whole new mix. 5.7 is 'supposed' to be able to pierce armour and thats basically a .22 mag. and a regular .50 bmg taps out at 3/4in mild steel
Using felt recoil as a measure of penetration is retarded, in other words.
>>30111982
Hard cast hand loaded 45-70
>>30114735
A 50 bmg will blow holes right through 3/4 mild steel plate.
>>30108390
wait up i think youre on to something.
What if we make the firing pin like a shot of adrenaline, so that the midget runs super fast and we cover them in like knives or legos or something that hurts when they impact
>>30114781
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dXvetFDX3A
Ball ammo isnt rated for anywhere NEAR 3/4 mild steel, even AP .50 bmg is only rated for 1in mild steel. Eat shit Gaylord. Do some research next time you go online.
>>30114325
prolly bout .308 or if youre really used to strong recoil .300WM or WSM
>>30108158
What kind of groupings could I expect at 1000yds with my RPK?
>>30108158
I like 6.5 Creedence
>>30114769
A copper solid of any standard fudd caliber will penetrate further
>>30118057
112 MOA
>>30118057
at 1000 yards, id be surprised if you could get a single round on target out of a mag.
>>30118160
>31.1yd groups
>>30108158
45mm
>>30108158
How about Anti-Tank rifles. here is a 14.5mm Soviet anti-Tank Rifle. I assume it would do well at far ranges, because you do not shoot a fucking tank point blank.
>>30118393
That was actually the idea, 100-300 yards was pretty much the max for this and even the it was used for APCS more than anything.
It was outdated for tank killing the minute shaped charged and EFP made thier debut.
>>30114893
Nice youtube video. The harrowing discs that i shot with a friends styer hs-50 had holes blown right through it. But im sure my first hand experiance is worth nothing to you.
Youtube video research > real life experiance
>>30118097
This, 6.5 CM is a pretty outstanding short action cartridge for longer ranges. I'm seriously considering a Ruger precision rifle in 6.5 CM.
>>30118890
Pros/cons of 6.5 Creedmoor vs .338 Lapua Magnum?
That based 300 win mag though
I hunt on clear cuts and have made several half mile shots
>>30118851
>that english
no, i dont think think he should trust a stranger on an image board with shit english and his lersonal "experiances" without mentioning any proof or bullet
>>30118890
>>30118997
mememoor vs glorious finnish awpage
>>30118997
Creedmore is cheaper and lighter set up, and likely will do just fine for 1000 yards.
.338 is spendy, heavy, recoils more, but has superior range and energy.
>>30120370
Was posted on my phone (which has auto-correct turned off so i can search non-dictionary words)
It was a 750 amax handloaded fairly hot, at about 100 yards in my ex-bosses field.
I've got a shitty cellphone video of me shooting it, but no traces anywhere of the target. If you want to see it give me somewhere to send it.
>>30108577
For real. Its so sexy.
>TFW no bullpup semi-auto dmr with a 22" barrel that downward ejects in 6.5 lapua
Alas, I can't afford to throw away money like that.
>>30111982
Go find the highest SD round you can and that might be it.
>>30108324
>hunting durr with .60 caliber ammunition
Enjoy your pulverized carcass.
The only game that would be used for is elephants or, I don't know, whales.
>>30121427
Cape buffalo, hippo
>>30121262
see? he was talking about m33 ball, which has a WAY lower bc than AMAXes and more velocity than the m33s
...how well would .338 Win Mag do? I obviously have no experience with such, and wonder if anyone who does could shed some light on this.
Probably best place to ask...
30-06? Yay or nay? Good and bad? experience or no? I see that it's an extremely popular caliber that's taken everything from deer to rhino, and I wonder about what it can do with modern powder and bullets.
I get that it's more than needed to drop a person, I just want to know more.
>>30114735
84mm HEDP kind of penetration.
>>30121979
.308 is more available in practice rounds for 3006 you really will only be able to find fudd stuff.
>>30122124
>>30121979
Balliscally they are close to the same just the 3006 will be able to shoot the 180 grainers a little better.
>>30121979
barely a difference.
>>30108158
Didn't Ruger start chambering the American in 6.5 Creedmoor? If so, look into that. The only complaint I've heard about the American line is the stock feels cheap. Beyond that, they are consistently sub-moa in whatever they are chambered in, and 6.5 Creedmoor is a wonderful cartridge for long range.
.303 british is what you truely need. Infinitely more accurate and powerful than any other bullet out there.
25km confirmed kill in the 2nd gulf war.
>>30108300
I think you mean 338 win mag. Lapua Mag us special snowflake military round. 300 RUM has a flatter trajectory and is a cheaper hunting round but 338 win mag is by far the most common for long range civilian round.
>>30121953
most popular round in Alaska for long range hunting of bear mouse and elk. 45/70 is good for brush hunting.
>>30122485
>Hunting mice with a .338
Goodnight Mickey
>>30122403
U best be b8ing m8
>>30122500
moose
>>30114735
I'm just thinking general cover into concealment, thinking a rifle you'd use to do slowly what a HMG would do quickly.
I don't actually know what I'm talking about, curious noob, please disabuse me of any bullshit.
>>30121979
Max effective range is further with hand loads than .308. IF you understnad 30-06 better than .308 and have a decent 30-06 gun, don't bother switching, it's more about how you set up your charts and what not than performance of the rounds your using. *
* That being said, it's nice to have better bullets/ powders etc etc etc.
>>30121979
There's a not-quite-proven-but-manufacturers-are-taking-it-seriously-anyway theory out there that the more "square" the casing is (the difference between the length and diameter of the casing), the more evenly the powder burns.
This was thought up as a way to explain why, during both military tests and civilian shooting competitions, .308 was consistently getting tighter groups than 30-06, even when using the same projectiles and similar propellant charges.
>>30124918
That's why you get something chambered in 30-06ai it has a square shoulder. And gives a couple grains extra powder capacity. Then you just fire form from regular -06
>>30125093
Not that kind of square. Nothing to do with shoulder angle memes. Overall length vs width of the cartridge.
.308's diameter is closer to its width than 30-06.
Top seems lazier (read: easier) but gives you less control over the muzzle flip than bottom.
>>30125354
i dont know why people care so much about muzzle flip on bolt actions, you have to cycle the bolt anyways, so youre probably not gonna stay on target perfectly anyways
>>30118851
Pics or it didnt happen you fuck, Ball ammo .50 BM isnt rated to go through 3/8, let alone 3/4. if you managed to get ball ammo through 3/4, while AP ROUNDS are only rated to 1 in and get stuck often, I applaud you. But first, show me proof, you lying fuck.
>>30121262
>>30128960
So I scrolled further and read your excuse. Hand loaded, hot loads, 750 amax. Yep thats regular Ball .50 BMG alright. That is definately representative of the base caliber.
>>30108178
>>30108178
>I think the best you're going to get is 14.9 SOP.
> It has 0.5 MOA accuracy at 3000 yards and remains supersonic out to 5400 yards (5 kilometers).
>>30128991
You seem a little on edge? Sorry for not knowing the tech spec's on military surplus 50bmg.
You shoot a lot of 50 yourself?
>>30121979
If you want a 30 cal, go for 308 or do 300WM
>>30114816
BAAAHHHH HA HA HA HA
>lego mod midget ballistics
/k/ you made my day
>>30122403
15 mile shot, must have shot up at 45 degree angle from the top of a mountain while looking through a telescope at his target down in the valley while traveling towards him at 1000 mph.
>>30118851
One more point, I swear im only a littel autistic, you said you were shooting at harrowing discs, well I didnt know what the fuck that was, so I looked it up, generally made from 1050-1075 steel, (MIld steel is generally classified as 1005-1025) so a harder steel, and generally manufactured with disks ranging from 3.5mm to 8mm, or .137 in (A hair more than 1/8) to .314 (Lets just round up to 3/8 why not) so your anecdotal evidence of you and your friend shooting hot handloads of 750 grain amax, going through something that ISNT mild steel, and ISNT anywhere near 3/4s, totally stands up to y'know, actually shooting 3/4 mild steel with a 636 grain factory load.
>>30129038
Your so wrong, and yeah, im kind of a dick about it. but your so wrong.
>>30129165
It was over a year and a half ago and i had a few beers in me from lunch. Could have sworn it was thicker. I guess im sorry for triggering you?
Youve probably shot a bunch more 50 than i have, 3 rounds is all i've put through one.
>>30129219
Then stop shitposting memes on the internet. Im not triggered or any bullshit, research is like 90% of my degree/job so its just how I approach things.
.50 bmg is a hell of a round, but its not best destruction evurr, if your ever gonna get into shooting and reloading seriously it helps to know about what will happen when you shoot things, with other things.
>>30129285
You reload? or just more further research?
me recalling a personal experience poorly isnt exactly shit-posting meme's and i would point out the overall tone of your responses does seem like someone that has their panties bunched up.
What Degree do you hold if you don't mind me asking?
>>30122370
Savage lists 19 rifles in 6.5 creedmoor on their site, they might be worth looking into too
prices looked to be about $350 to $1200
>>30129353
I have a masters in chemical biology, going for my phd and I hold an academic job where most of my job is research for my thesis and teach. I shoot, and reload, but not .50 bmg currently. Ive been looking into getting one and ive done a bit of research about it, most of it isnt even real research but just regular googling. The internet is a great place, you can learn a lot if you arent being a shit.
>>30129441
you're a pretty insulting person, and you really do assume a lot about others.
Pic of one of your precision rifles? I'll show you mine if you show me yours? Same deal for the reloading setup?
>>30129496
I have things to do with my life, I think ill call it a night here, rather than get into a pissing contest with a 14 year old.
>>30108158
Just get a nice .308 to start with, cant go wrong.
>>30129528
Again with the hostility and side stepping questions.
Have a good night. Maybe when you're done your degree you can actually buy a gun instead of look at pictures of them online ;)
>>30129591
Not him but you're a dick man.
>>30129610
im a dick for asking for pictures of his guns and reloading setup? He's the one that said all i do was post hearsay from the net then follows it up with "The internet is a great place, you can learn a lot if you arent being a shit"
I'm just curious if he's just one of the guys that reads everything online or if he's actually talking from first hand experiences.
He's the one calling me a child, a shit, and a lying fuck.
but im the dick
>>30129496
Not the ASS HAT/Troll that ran away but here is my recent entry into the precision World. Zero's on 5/27 and already 140 rounds of 143 ELD-X through it. God it's accurate. Had it out over the weekend and was taking pot shots at 700-800 Yards and there was NO recoil at all.
>>30129718
He has the mental capacity of a nigger.
Stop wasting your time responding to him.
dick
>>30130989
The sub 7mm diameter bullet and a break are def a dream to shoot. Ypu live in a state that will allow youto use a can? And are you thinking about getting one down the road?
>>30108406
I lucked out and became friends with a former Army sniper. Not only did he teach me how to shoot long distance but I got to hear some great stories as well.
Bonus, he said having someone to just listen to him helped him overcome the emotional aspects of being a sniper.
>>30129718
You said a shitty false statement and got proved wrong in video and stuff anyone can look up. You got your feelings hurt on the internet and demand personal info and crying about it instead of just accepting your still shitposting.
>>30134702
Ive since done further research at your request and you're not 100% right either. Im just not coming out of right field with insults either. Stay mad homie.
