>be at gun store today
>try Sig Sauer P238
This is the best pocket pistol ever created and that is a fact. It has no flaws.
>>30075606
I like them. But sao as a carry just doesn't make sense to me.
>>30075606
>It has no flaws.
I really like mine, but I've already had an issue that the slide catch lever wasn't getting properly pushed up by the magazine, causing the slide to close when I dropped the empty magazine, because the magazine was too loose. I think it might be the quality of tolerances on the magazines Sig puts out with them. If I pushed up on the bottom of the magazine, the lever would push all the way up.
I sent it back to them, though I really wish they would have just sent me a few extra magazines.
If I could ask for anything, I'd really wish that a 600+ dollar gun would come with two damn magazines.
I've got the Rosewood by the way. Absolutely gorgeous pistol.
>>30075606
I want one for pocket carry. Which model would work best for this?
>>30075632
You can condition 0 carry it. It has a safety that only drops when you pull the trigger, so its not any less safe than a striker fired design.
>>30075606
>.380
>>30075651
They're all almost the same model just with cosmetic differences, barring ones with larger magazines like the Desert, Spartan, Skorpion, etc models, but that's just a bundling thing.
>>30075686
This, fampai. Why would you ever buy the .380 when the 9mm version exists? For the fraction of an inch in size? Get the 9mm, you will regret it otherwise.
>>30075606
>low grade painted finish
>$300 too much
>its literally a colt mustang
Oops, I fell for the bait.
>>30075674
yeah I used to be worried about my SP2022 until I took it apart and learned how the firing pin blocking mechanism worked
I would assume Sig uses a similar mechanism for their other guns and I wouldn't worry about it
>>30075708
Do you say that having actually used the P938?
Because I used it and hated it. 9MM for a gun that weight and size is far less controllable than 380. The checkered grip also ate into my hand after just 50 rounds, leaving them red. I have pampered programmer hands though, so someone with rougher hands probably wouldn't notice as much.
>>30075722
The Mustang doesn't feel as good.
If you say it does, then you're lying. It's close, though.
>>30075705
I need the extended since I have xboxhueg hands, but I can always buy one separate. I just don't want the hogue grips because they'll stick to my pockets.
How's the P938? I was looking for a pocket gun in 9mm. And the one I finger fucked at a pawnshop felt great in my giant ape hands.
>>30075722
This
>>30075606
>It has no flaws.
Except for the caliber.
>>30075722
The Mustang costs exactly the same, if not more so I really don't see what you're point is.
Too small for me, safety is way down in the web of my thumb where I have to significantly shift my grip to work it.
>>30075722
>person says West German Sigs are great
>lol rust rust rust rust XD
>person says Exeter Sigs are great
>lol low grade painted finish =P
As for it being "literally a colt mustang," I'm not sure who you think you're impressing with this knowledge. Yes, it's a Mustang copy. Everybody knows that because Sig actually paid licensing fees to Colt to use their design.
>>30075674
I don't mean safety I mean the lack of a second strike. For some reason I find that really important in a carry.
>>30075606
>manual safety
>"no flaws"
>>30075784
All I can say as
>>30075725
Is you just need to rent one and shoot it for yourself. It felt like snappy shit to me. The gun is very light, and running 9mm through a weapon that light made for some rather uncomfortable shooting.
The 238 feels much better for me personally. More controllable, I prefer the shorter length, and it doesn't rub me raw after firing because it has lower recoil and most importantly doesn't have that stupid checkered backstrap.
>>30075725
>Because I used it and hated it. 9MM for a gun that weight and size is far less controllable than 380. The checkered grip also ate into my hand after just 50 rounds, leaving them red.
Not him, but the P938 is my EDC and I shoot it all the time, and pretty well, despite its size. If you can't shoot this gun, then you're likely flinching or otherwise just can't shoot handguns that well. I won't accept the excuse that your hands are too big for it. Hickok45 shoots small guns better than I do and his hands are as big as a grizzly bear paws. Yes, it does kick like a mule, but it's actually pretty controllable, despite the recoil. I have a lot more trouble getting a gun back on target quickly when it has poor balance, but the P938 has good balance and the trigger is really easy to work with.
>>30075955
>If you can't shoot this gun, then you're likely flinching or otherwise just can't shoot handguns that well.
I'm not sure how you got flinching out of control issues. It has control issues because it kicks like a mule. It sits in the hand very well, the sight picture is good, its just that shitty kick and then having to get it back to picture that was my issue. It shot on target with no issue.
Unless you mean the general "you" and not me specifically.
>>30075784
I love mine. I have the equinox model. Shooting it with the extended mag makes it a completely different gun, and I wouldn't carry it without the extended mag anyway. I've had no hiccups with mine, and that's around 400 rounds in one trip with a mix of bullet weights and FMJ and JHP. Also it carrys extremely well on my hungry skeleton body
>SAO
>manual safety
>sights not tapered for less snagging
>.380
>MSRP of $FUCKYOU
I understand they come in 9mm. I understand they are absolutely fucking tiny and have similar capacity to larger offerings. But having to carry cocked and locked or with an empty pipe, well... I'm gonna pass.
>>30075980
You can't control it because it jumps out of your hand? Then just hold onto it more firmly. Don't let it move from its recoil. That's what the checkering is for.
Do you have any experience shooting magnum revolvers? If you have access to something with some actual punch to it, I'd suggest shooting the two guns side-by-side and see if you still think that the P938 is too hard-recoiling to shoot. This is a situation where you really need to just man up and work harder at shooting the gun.
>>30076021
>>MSRP of $FUCKYOU
The fuck? You can get them for $400-450. How does that justify this kind of impotent rage?
>>30076021
But you don't have to carry it locked. It has an internal trigger safety too. Condition 0 is the same as carrying any standard striker fired pistol. It fires when you pull the trigger, and doesn't fire if you drop it. Its really all the same.
>>30075722
that's the appeal I guess.
>>30075606
>be gun /k/ounter faggot
>standing at counter
>fags roll up
>want to see p238s
>they'll never practice
>they'll never buy a custom holster
>they'll never develop muscle memory
>where's your 6-8,000 reps for a new motion faggot?
>they'll never be able to reproduce efficiency under combat stress
>they'll never flip the safety off when the shit jumps
>they won't have the situational awareness to avoid a dangerous situation
>the will buy the gay pride rainbow paintjob p238
>they will carry this shit in an ankle holster or uncle mikes
>i will cringe
>my cringe won't end
>they think they are safer for it
>i've seen my own fucking customers at the range with a laser on their p238
>they miss the target from 10FT away
>stationary
>shoot clothes pin holding target up instead
>$5 range fee for every clothes pin hit
>fucking laser beam jumping around everywhere
>can't hit shit
>faggots have absolutely 0 combat / self defense experience
>they think they will pull out their sig if the shit jumps off
>they fucking wont
>they will get killed IRL by niggers playing the KNOCKOUT GAME
these are the people who own P238's
>>30076043
Only those striker fired pistols can't accidentally have the safety engaged without you realizing it. If you have a manual safety, you HAVE to practice disengaging it with your draw stroke and it is always one more thing that you could fuck up in a high-stress situation.
>>30076042
I've never shopped around for them online and have only seen them for 700+ at the LGS. I understand that's not representative but it's my limited experience with them.
>>30076043
>CCWing in Condition 0
A quick google says the single action trigger is... 7-9lbs? Shit nigga that's so far in the opposite direction I was expecting that it's points against it again.
>>30076043
hooh boy..
>>30076066
Hey buddy. We all have to start somewhere. Maybe some of those people will take the initiative at some point to put in the training and get better, maybe upgrade to a 9mm, and find themselves prepared when shit hits the fan.
>>30076080
>I've never shopped around for them online and have only seen them for 700+ at the LGS. I understand that's not representative but it's my limited experience with them.
Even when the prices were higher back in 2013, I saw them for $550-575 in gun stores.
>>30076031
I know how to hold a pistol, I've shot many pistols large and small. These didn't cut my mustard. That's all there is too it. 9mm out of such a light gun is going to do these things. I've also read many other reviews complaining about the backstrap on the 938. The smoother 3 lined one would have been much more comfortable.
>>30076080
>A quick google says the single action trigger is... 7-9lbs? Shit nigga that's so far in the opposite direction I was expecting that it's points against it again.
Sig's website would have told you 7.5-8.5 lbs. The fact that you think this is "heavy" tells me that you don't know what you're talking about. A long, gritty, uneven double action pull that was 7.5-8.5 pounds? yes, that is going to take a little skill to master. But a short, crisp single action pull at that weight is effectively the same as a 5 pound single action pull.
>>30076114
>can't control a subcompact 9mm
>"I know how to hold a pistol"
>"it was the gun's fault"
>>30076148
>it's not heavy because it's short!
It's still heavy. Stop making excuses for bad design.
>>30076080
>>30076148
I have absolutely no issue with the trigger weight of pull on the 238. It shoots just fine, though not amazing or great or anything.
My main issue with mine right now is that shitty plastic trigger Sig uses. Feels iffy and also can pinch at the bottom. I really need to replace it with a good aftermarket aluminum one.
>>30076101
Ya I feel you man. I was just making humor. I did my best to educate and advise my customers. Most of them were coo.
>>30075722
The sig is worth it for that gorgeous swiss-german slide alone.
God damn I want to penetrate myself with a sig.
>>30075606
Something about mag size and calibers.
But i hope you like it
>>30075884
Nobody has ever said West German Sigs rust. And almost nobody has said Exeter Sigs are good (though that's because they're uneducated, meme-spouting autists).
You're an idiot and are wrong about everything you said.
>>30076191
>swiss-german slide
Exeter is in New Hampshire, broski.
>>30075932
You don't need to carry it with the safety on though.
It's not a series 70 colt or something.
>>30076176
People who use exclamation points in greentext have usually reached the point of becoming shrill and irrational. I have nothing more to say to you, and you have no way to explain how a 7.5-8.5 lb single action trigger is so heavy as to be unshootable.
>>30076200
First day on /k/?
>>30076080
>he thinks trigger-pull lbs means anything for SAO guns
Has a better trigger than most guns in your cabinet guaranteed.
>>30076201
You know what i mean you god damn piece of shit
>>30076220
>I have no argument so I'll run away and pretend I'm right
5lbs is not the same as 8lbs. It does not make it unshootable, it makes it less shootable.
>>30075606
I work at LGS, that is literally the most returned pistol in our rental case. The recoil spring goes incredibly quick, constant failures to eject or extract (not limp wristing). Sig Sauer is also terrible with customer service.
>>30076243
>>30076067
I got to ask some questions about what sort of holster you have if your controls are operating by themselves.
>>30076229
You got your memes backwards and you don't even know it.
Jesus fuck, just leave.
>>30076243
Fair point. Not sure how realistic that risk is though.
I suppose you could disable the safety somehow, but now we're talking apples to oranges.
>>30076248
>have no argument
This is why I said I'm done with you. You've become shrill and irrational. >>30076148
>A long, gritty, uneven double action pull that was 7.5-8.5 pounds? yes, that is going to take a little skill to master. But a short, crisp single action pull at that weight is effectively the same as a 5 pound single action pull.
>>30075722
>Implying nitrocarburization is "paint"
>Implying Colt, a company going bankrupt, is anywhere near sig quality
>Implying there is something wrong with the colt mustang
I also fell for the bait
>>30076278
No, I don't have my memes backwards. I guess you've never owned or even researched West German Sigs because you are making a total fool of yourself right now.
>EXETER Sigs are actually the ones that rust, guys
>that's right, the guns that use stainless steel in the construction of the slide and a superfinish like parkerizing on the slide - THEY'RE the ones that rust
>not the ones made out of carbon steel with a blued finish on the slide
Fucking idiot. Go back to /b/.
>>30076309
>>Implying Colt, a company going bankrupt, is anywhere near sig quality
A company's finances and quality control of their products don't necessarily have anything to do with each other.
>>30075606
I got the full metal HD model, it has less recoil and I love it
>>30076246
How would I know what you mean when what you say is the exact opposite of what you supposedly meant?
>>30076348
Those are sweet shooters.
>>30076348
forgot pic
>>30076368
I love it, it's harder to shoot accurately than my custom 92, but compared to a LCP its like a different class of firearm
I can put 200 rounds down range and not tire out, with an LCP i shot 50 rounds and was miserable
I can bring it to the range and practise and have fun with it, and its also beautiful imo, i'm proud to own it and show it to people
>>30075606
What don't like the delicious taste of broken wop frame?
>>30076351
It was designed by european faggots so it looks nice is what i mean.
>>30076428
You should look into replacing the trigger. You'd probably like the feel of it even more.
>>30076284
I don't gamble with Murphy, he cheats.
Disabling the safety is NEVER a good idea in a carry gun, unless you want to see the prosecuting attorney grin like the Chershire Cat.
I had a 938. I sold it. It's a good gun but I don't see what place it has as a carry piece. It's too big and heavy to pocket carry and if you're gonna IWB there are 9mm pistols that work just as well.
Also, the idea of a having to flip a safety off on a defense gun isn't my thing. I only carry DA/SA guns with decockers or DAO.
>>30076444
Is it plastic? Looks plastic.
I replaced the polymer trigger on my old ass colt 1911 with an aluminum wilson match trigger and it was the best god damn decision i made that whole week.
And it was my favorite range gun even before the trigger swap.
>>30076428
also own a jetfire
>>30076444
nice trips, i dont want to replace anything on it because its my future CC gun and i've heard /k/ rumors that if you modify your carry gun it can make it harder for you in court if you use your cc
also i dont mind the trigger, its single action, i almost got a fucking PICO 13lb double action
>>30076461
This might be the only post ever that made me appreciate choosing a g27 over a 938 as my carry.
>>30076467
Trigger for the 238 and 938 is indeed plastic.
>>30076470
I understand your feelings, but I also intend to CC the gun but am going to get a replacement. I suppose your feelings may vary depending on what state you live in, though.
>TFW I've owned five .32/380 pocket guns and /k/ never talks about this class of pistol
have you shot the bursa yet?
>>30076526
I'm very seriously considering getting into this class of pistols. My current collection needs some small caliber stuff and i want to pocket carry.
>>30076526
/k/ is too busy having a hard on for .25 ACP.
>mfw I too have a hard on for .25 ACP
>>30076552
I've had two Seecamps, a Sig 238, a Taurus TCP, and a Kel-Tec P32.
From everything I've heard your best bet is a Ruger LCP Custom unless you like something specific about another model. If you've never owned a poly subcompact you really can't appreciate how small and light they are. I could could stuff the P32 in my panties and no one would even recognize that bulge.
>>30076573
>/k/ is too busy having a hard on for .25 ACP.
When did this happen? There've been like two good .25s made since the 1930s.
>>30076613
We want that to change. We want a fullsize doublestack .25 caliber pistol with a 25rd flush fit magazine.
We're gonna call it the 50:50 because fuck math.
>>30076608
Good info. This thread is giving me a hardon for the 238 but it might just be an internet romance.
>>30075606
>no flaws
>sao
>carry cocked and locked with only small safety
Yeah no.
>>30076608
>Ruger LCP Custom
THE LCP CUSTOM WILL NOT FIT IN 90% OF LCP HOLSTERS
The sights aren't that shitty, besides you arent going to be going for the olympic 25m slow fire gold medal, you are trying to drop a thug.
>>30075832
find me a
>problem solver
that is as small as the p238 and carries a bigger punch
>>30076644
bretty glose
http://www.keltecweapons.com/our-guns/pistol/pmr-30
>>30076443
>Colt Mustang
>patented by Americans
>Sig Sauer P238
>licensed by other Americans
I still am not seeing it.
>>30076660
The 238 is a nice gun, even though the trigger is shit and feels like a wet sponge. But it's the .380 for people who spend more time at the range than carrying. $500 gets you a .380 that you can't put in a pocket. $250 gets your a .380 that'll disappear into skinny jeans.
>>30076457
>Disabling the safety is NEVER a good idea in a carry gun, unless you want to see the prosecuting attorney grin like the Chershire Cat.
Please show me a single deadly force law from any state in the Union that specifically outlines the kinds of weapons you must or must not use in justified self-defense. I'll wait.
>>30076461
>. It's too big and heavy to pocket carry and if you're gonna IWB there are 9mm pistols that work just as well.
I agree that it's too big and heavy for pocket carry, but I really like its small footprint for IWB carry, and the fact that it has such a nice trigger is another big plus.
>>30076467
It's plastic, but it's "space plastic," so it's not going to just snap off randomly. I haven't tried a metal trigger in my P938 because to replace it, you need some serious gunsmithing tools, but I am skeptical of claims that this improves the feel of the pull. It's not like the material the trigger shoe is made out of has any bearing on how the trigger bar, sear, ejector, and hammer interface during the trigger pull. If you want to make the trigger pull more crisp, you'd be better off polishing the sear and hammer, which are also more easily accessible.
>>30076683
>THE LCP CUSTOM WILL NOT FIT IN 90% OF LCP HOLSTERS
If the holster is made of kydex, you should be able to dremel the holster material a bit and get the gun to fit fine. I have had to do this with an Aholsters kydex holster made for a regular LCP and it worked fine afterwards.
>>30076749
>even though the trigger is shit and feels like a wet sponge
I honestly don't get how someone could describe it like that. Do you think that pulling the trigger through the take-up has any bearing on the quality of how the trigger shoots?
>>30076461
You are infinitely more likely to get injured/killed by negligent discharge than by the 1second delay caused by forgetting to disengage your safety in a self defense situation, especially if youre going to carry it or leave it around the house chambered
The whole manual safety=bad meme needs to die
>>30077147
But why would you have an ND? A DA gun has a long, heavy trigger pull. There's almost no chance of doing it accidentally.
>>30077147
>have a 3.5" trigger on my carry gun
>no external safety
>never had an ND
Its not hard nigga.
>>30075606
>780?
I paid like 500 for mine you got niggered hard
>>30077215
Unconsciously having your finger on the trigger while you have your gun out for whatever reason (maintenance at home or at the range) and making sudden movements, or if you have kids or friends over that dont know shit about guns they may be tempted to play around with it
Ive seen nd happen to people that grew up with guns their whole life. Poor weapon safety practice is far more dangerous than the prospect of forgetting to disengage your safety in the rare chance that you have to draw your gun AND acutally shoot it in self defense
>>30077395
Brand new 580$ out the door with no ffl, or tax.
>>30077666
>buying guns at the same store where you buy your shoes and pants
wewlad
>>30075898
Hoping the sudden malfunction you May face in a defensive situation is a bad primer is retarded.
>>30076191
The slide profile looks like garbage on those and you know it. At least its not as tall or wide as actual sigs.
>>30078657
I like it. I like the sig 1911 stuff in general. They're just different enough from most 1911s out there without looking like some special snowflake gun.
>>30078160
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
