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MangaGamer
>Yurirei - Released
Beat Blades Haruka - 2/23 release
Higurashi Hou -Watanagashi released
Bokuten - 79% translated, 50% edited
Da Capo 3 - 76.8% translated, 74.8% edited
OZMAFIA - 97.5% translated, 56% edited
House in Fata Morgana - 100% translated, 48% edited
Myth - 94% translated, 81% edited
My Boss Wife is My Ex - In testing
Kuroinu - Being released as 3 seperate chapters, 22.5% TL 18.13% edited
Supipara - Ch 1 near beta
Himawari - TL and editing finished, in scripting
Umineko - Picked up
Tokyo Babel - 100% translated, 100% edited
Negai no Kakera - 20.82% translated
Princess Evangile W Happiness - 19.8% translated, 10% edited


JAST
Sonicomi - Summer release
Flowers - 100% translated, 40% edited
Seinarukana- in preorder
Sweet Home - 45% translated
Sumaga- Fully translated, in editing
Trample on Schatten- Translation 83%
Django - Waiting on translation.
Sumeragi Ryoko - TL finalization


Sekai/Denpa
Root Double - Kickstarter succeeded, planned March release
Nekopara 2 - 2/20 release
Fault Milestone 2 - Side Above released, GE still to come
Grisaia trilogy - 2nd title 75% translated
Atom Grrrl - Q1 release
Narcissu 3rd - TL+Editing done
Narcissu 0 - in TLC
>WEE 3 - 20.31% translated
>Nenokami - 37.80% translated
>Mayoi Hitsuji no Kajuen - 78.66% translated
>Darekoi - 7.74% translated
Kokonoe Kokoro - picked up
Memory's Dogma - Kickstarter reached goal
Chrono Clock - Picked up
Tenshin Ranman - Picked up
Witch Boy - Kickstarter failed
Wagamama High Spec - 2016 release



Other
Magical Eyes - Feb 29th release
Harmonia - Through Steam GL
Little Busters - Picked up
Tomoyo After - Picked up
Muv Luv Trilogy - Kickstarter succeeded
SubaHibi - Official release planned
Lucky Dog - Possible iOS released based on the ongoing text only fanTL
Work being done on a fanTL of Shin Koihime with hopes of getting it licensed
>Wish Tale of the Sixteenth Night - 5304/10293 (51.53%) lines translated
Kyuuketsu Hime no Libra - Kickstarter succeeded
Zero Time Dilemma - 2016 release
>Moujuutsukai to Ouji-sama - Kickstarter started
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>Stuff like this has been either added or updated since the last thread

My apologies, but forgot to include that Sekai picked up Hoshizora no Memoria.

http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=74b800eadf353a0fe4d6dde43&id=12693e84f1&e=6f4b391f72

Going from Insem to Dovac isn't exactly an improvement.

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While Mangagamer did hint towards a Valentine's Sale, it would appear that may have to be cancelled as their payment processor is still down. It would appear they're quite unlucky indeed.

In order to make observing the chart slightly easier, I've omitted the meager 2013 data we have. I'll now be dumping the full data point list on pastebin for anyone that would like it.

Top 5 Ranking: http://pastebin.com/PX9PBF7v
Popularity Sort: http://pastebin.com/dZvan40M
Full Data Point List: http://pastebin.com/mB6aTc55

As always, this tracker is powered by anonymous like you, so if you somehow manage to order from mangagamer while their payment processor is down, post em'

>>14762572
Did Winged Cloud go back to Sekai Project? Or are they just playing both ends against the middle?

>>14762548

Ozmafia's at 100% TL now https://twitter.com/mangagamer/status/698308839549042688

Haro's been bitching about payment processor a lot lately(even prior to current events). I wonder if mangagamer's attempting to move to a new one?

>>14762627
Maybe Sakura Santa just didn't do as well with MG as they hoped so they hopped back to Sekai? Or maybe Sekai just still had some rights to the sakura games?

>>14762638

Ours actually isn't that bad aside from the issues some people have with getting their cards rejected. I bitch about it a lot because it's annoying that a number of avenues for processing payments aren't open to us just because 18+ material = high risk, and a lot of people want alternative payment methods (eg. Paypal).

The current situation is really shitty for a variety of reasons which we'll be explaining soon (hopefully with an eta on when shit will be back up), probably Monday if things don't change before then.

This weekend would have been fun if it weren't for everything blowing up at the last second...

>>14762656
Hey Haro, when are things like euphoria and Gahkthun going to leave the project progress page? It seems kinda silly to have things released last year still listed on a progress page.

>>14762665

Probably after new stuff is announced at Anime Boston.

>>14762665

I'll probably be pruning recent releases soon. You'd be surprised at how many people miss the fact that things are out even months later though.

>>14762656
>This weekend would have been fun if it weren't for everything blowing up at the last second...

Spring Sale instead?

>>14762679
How long will it take to consolidate the results of the poll and reveal it on the blog?

>>14762908

It'll probably be just the same as last time.

>>14762908

It took a couple months last time

>>14762908

Not sure yet. I haven't had too much time to look at it yet. I don't think it'll take as long as last time (I had to figure out how to manage and analyze all that data before I could do anything), but who knows maybe more shit will blow up before I can get to it. We should be sending out keys to the winners tomorrow or Monday though.

>>14762948

ハロちゃんファイート！

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>>14762656
>>14762679
>>14762948
Hey beautiful. Don't be such a worrywart, everything will work out fine in the end and we all know you guys are doing your best to get things right. Remember, no matter what, you are loved. I look forward to the day we get married. Kisses and hugs.

In exchange for your heart, I shall give you the sun and the moon, the stars and the skies, the heavens and the earth, I shall move mountains and part rivers, just to see you smile.

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>>14762572

Flexible Funding

>>14762679
I want to be surprised, but actually paying attention to vn buyers over the last few weeks and I kinda lost hope that things like common sense or market research are even a thing. It feels kinda bad when a majority of the buyers in your hobby are idiots about the hobby.

>>14763061
That's a majority of everything though.

>>14763025
That's pretty telling that they aren't confident that they can get the full amount in the time given.

Yurirei is on the second page of top sellers on Steam. Looks like it's going to be a reasonable success there.

>>14763061

The fun thing about surveys and sales data is that you can see just how full of it the really loud people are.

>>14763170

It got onto the bottom of the first page for a bit, but it's been hanging out in the 30s for most of the day.

>>14763197
Its good that the payment issue didn't kill Yurirei at least, but hopefully its back up soon for Haruka's.

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>>14763197
Is Ozmafia a good read for a heterosexual male who enjoys fantasising that he's a cute girl who's popular with boys?

Asking for a friend.

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>>14763228

Hm, it's pretty cute? It's basically a moege punctuated by moments of extreme (text-based) violence. Like, the true route is mostly brutally and systematically murdering all the side characters.

Fuka's not the strongest of protags, but she's got some moments. Also there's a whole route about her getting addicted to male prostitutes and one of them gets a little /too/ excited when you tell him you like hurting people. Also Pashet's cute? She has a route.

>>14763245
Jesus Christ, that doesn't sound like a moege at all but rather something you'd see Innocent Grey publish.

>>14763245
>It's basically a moege punctuated by moments of extreme (text-based) violence.
So there's not much plot/story across all the routes?

>>14763253

I dunno, it's really weird. Most of the violence has very little consequence because all the major characters are immortal, except in the true route.

>>14763256

There's some? I wouldn't say it's the sort of game you really read for the plot though.

>>14762570
Fucking fantastic. SP not only has once again picked a already translated project but they'll once again only release a censored version of a +18 product (specially because of Mare). This kind of stuff really tells a lot about the people behind the company.

I personally don't mind that much getting a official translation of a VN I already read and enjoyed. What really ticks me off is the fucking censored release. Honestly, fuck you SP.

I can't wait to see what Chuee will say about this...

>>14763555
At least I got trips. Relevant:
https://twitter.com/StaircaseSubs/status/698787634735218688
>haven't heard anything about this, tho seems like a massive waste of resources when there are dozens of un-TL'd gems

>>14763555
>>14763560
Yeah, Dovac sucks, but for some reason Fuwanovel keeps giving him money.

Sekai and Fuwa are the worst things that could happen to the western market, I really hope they give up and die soon.

>>14763197
Tricky part is actually understanding the sales data. One could easily make the mistake that since Euphoria sold great but not other games, the scat market is the biggest.

>>14763654
WC (even abbreviation!) proved long time ago that there's huge market for shit.

>>14763682
I thought WC flopped back when it was released?

>>14763821
WC = Winged Cloud

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46 days left.

>>14762570
You also forgot to include Bishoujo Mangekyou. AGAIN.

>>14763912

I'm pretty sure this is for translations from japanese, anonymous.

>>14763943
OP has included Chinese to English TLs times and times again.

>>14763197
>It got onto the bottom of the first page for a bit, but it's been hanging out in the 30s for most of the day.
Glad to see you guys and Liar-soft are making money of Yurirei.

>>14763987
Gaben is taking half of that money though.

>>14763987
I am more glad that its actually good game that make money instead of pretentious otomeshit like Gahkthun.

>>14763878
Ah, it got me confused, since WC is also the name of one of the only two other scat nukige officially released so far.

>>14763949
They can understand kanji.

>>14763992

More likely just a third.

>>14762656
Hopefully this didn't impact Kindred Spirits launch window sales or Haruka's preorders too much in the long run. In Kindred Spirits case,people who didn't want to wait might just buy it on Steam which loses MG 30% of the sales. This really could negatively impact its performance on the year end ranking as well.

>>14763170
Good thing for Steam sales in its case, since without them its sales on MG could've been really sparse due to the CC processing issue.

>>14763245
>Also Pashet's cute? She has a route.
Yuri route?

>>14764180

Yurirei had a pretty good preorder window on mangagamer's site, even though it's ridiculously hard to measure it's likely sales due to the bundles. I estimated 400ish last week(by removing the total number of possible bundle sales and then guessing at what the sales chart would have looked like based on the popularity chart) and it would appear steamspy agrees
http://steamspy.com/app/402620
(see the owners prior to it going on sale to see that I actually undershot in my estimate a bit). That's almost twice what gahkthun did in it's preorder period.

Even if it gets no more sales and doesn't end up showing up in the year end chart, I doubt mangagamer will care when it's on track to sell at least three times as much as gahkthun.

Haruka is the bigger worry. It was doing okay in preorders(though it appears to be trailing behind yurirei), and I had estimated it at 300ish sales(though given how I undershot yurirei, I'd probably revise that up to 350ish). But without steamsales to back it up, if it's launch is blown then the entire game could end up being a muddling 500-600ish break even sales affair that I'm sure mangagamer would be disappointed with.

>>14763949
OP still has translations listed when the translator has literally said "I cannot read Japanese, but I watch a lot of anime and use translation aggregator."

>>14764399
Yuri is a niche enough thing that fans will support releases

>>14764399
>it's launch
>it's
Why? Why must you do this to me?

>>14764452
Examples? Not even doubting you, just want to laugh at EOP friends' misfortune.

>>14764884

Well yes, that is what I was getting at. That anonymous just seemed worried about yurirei when there's really no reason to be, what with it breaking even on preorders on mangagamer's site and then selling atleast 1k+ copies on steam.

>>14764884
Anyone who wants adult material on Steam is likely to buy it as well. Unless they of course hate the genre.

>>14764941
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98M8jdsyYEI
>I envy all the people who can read Japanese language and can play raw novels....
Shin Koihime's 'translator' responds
>I can't read, actually. Text-hooker + a bunch of dictionary tools or just some kanji to romaji converter. But I've watched enough anime to understand what they're saying.

>>14765001
Based on the CGs it has about as much adult material as the Witcher

>>14765041

We all know that no one gives a shit about adult material in western games as long as they aren't no-budget trash.

Anime tiddies are what corrupts the children and oppresses the women

>>14764399
Isn't there a decent sized Alicesoft fanbase because of Rance?

MG should try and get them involved

>>14765082
Not even a large enough fanbase to keep a thread in /vg/ alive. I don't think mobilizing ten to twenty extra sales is going to help.

>>14765082
>Isn't there a decent sized Alicesoft fanbase because of Rance?

Yeah, about that...

>>14765089
Maybe it's because everyone hates general circlejerks.

>>14765089
Nearly one and half years since the last English release. That still makes it a fairly sizeable fanbase when it comes to VNs.

Do you think Maria will release Rance if Haruka fails and MG decides not to do an official release?

>>14765104
You're assuming it was going strong even before then and didn't need to be blatantly bumped several times a day to keep from being pushed off. It most certainly was not. Granted, it's gotten even more empty than it was before, but that's because the translator circlejerk disappeared when the translators disappeared with a cry of "trolled you all, lol. Now give us money for something else and maybe two years from now you'll get the thing I spent the last 9 months promising to give you next week."

>>14765114
No. Not that Haruka sales really should mean anything to Rance sales given that they're really targeted at different audiences.

Arunaru might

>>14765123
Ero game focused on gameplay made by the same company. Explain the difference in audience.

>>14765122
I take it that they're not that enthusiastic about Haruka then. That's a pity. We need more high quality nukige.

>>14765131
There's only a dozen or two people there. They're not a factor on anything.

>>14765130
Nukige with fairly hardcore scene compared to a long running rpg series with fairly tame and short sex scenes and a strong character and setting focus.

>>14765130

rancefags only care about rance

>>14765131

To say that /haniho/ is really unhappy with how maria revealed the alicesoft partnership would be an understatement. I think some of them may have been so butthurt they committed suicide.

>>14765134
Okay. I was just wondering if there was really anything else MG could do to push Haruka sales up. I want to play Oyako Rankan

>>14765140
You can't fucking say Rance has tame sex scenes. Comparatively maybe, but not objectively.

>>14765151
To people who buy Japanese porn games it has objectively rather tame scenes save for the very rare sex scene from a villain.

>>14765149
They do care about Evenicle as well.

>>14765165
And only about 10 English speakers outside that thread have even heard of Evenicle.

>>14765171

I actually think Evenicle would actually be a pretty easy sell as it could piggyback off senran kagura's popularity a bit in a "WAIT HE DOES PORN TOO?" way.

>>14765190
You overestimate Senran Kagura's popularity.

And the rarity of Senran Kagura's porn.

>>14765165
>To people who buy Japanese porn games it has objectively rather tame scenes save for the very rare sex scene from a villain.
On one side you have moege and similar shit where every H-scene is vanilla with hand-holding.
On the other side you have nukige with shitting in people's mouths and sewing two girls together.

I would say Rance is half-way on the scale. Not close to either of them. I highly doubt the second category is more numerous, so Rance is objectively less tame than the majority of Japanese porn games.

>>14765209
You'd be surprised. But fair call. The point is that Haruka and Rance have a different target audience anyway in both Japan and in the west.

>>14764399
You undershot every single mangagamer release by the simple fact that the method you use is extremely flawed, the biggest flaw being that you dont take in consideration the fact that one order number may contain several games.

Haro even answered a question about that.
https://ask.fm/Good_Haro/answers/134343230056

And about the bundle a big flaw in guessing how much MG sold during the period is the fact that we dont have data on the first day of the bundle when pretty much half the sales happened and a good number of the codes were redeemed, and because of the you end putting all of the bundles number on the remaining days undercutting MG sales on the period.

>>14765248

That's why they're estimates anonymous. Just as Haro says in the question you linked, it's the best we can do with the data available.

>>14765055
Good job mindlessly repeating things you've heard even though it's not at all relevant to the post you're responding to.

The comment you were responding to was stating Yurirei isn't any more explicit than a game like The Witcher 3, so it makes no sense to buy it to make a statement to Valve that people want porn on Steam. And even though that has nothing to do with your comment, it does manage to disprove the bullshit you're repeating; as Yurirei is only about as explicit as The Witcher 3, it's allowed on Steam, regardless of where it came from.

There's nothing wrong with bitching, but keep it relevant and most of all don't mindlessly repeat things you think people here want to hear (preaching to the choir). This is not tumblr, even if it is starting to look more and more like it.

>>14765303
I know but I am tired of seeing people using those numbers as arguments of why MG shouldnt bring X or Y game and that they are going bankrupt.

That guess is really the best that you can do with the info available, but it really undershots the releases, and it is used by some as definite proof of poor sales.

>>14765334

That's bullshit and you know it. GTA5 can get away with trevor railing a chick and whipping his cock around but it takes something as tame as yurirei before gaben will even consider it.

>>14765340

I've never seen these numbers used outside of /jp/.

Further, I don't really think it undershoots that often or as heavily as you seem to imply. For yurirei/haruka in particular we've got multiple factors throwing off the numbers. Given that, being off by 25% is pretty good, I'd think.

>>14764391

Not really, but it's >implying implications enough that you could read one of her ending branches as kind of romantic if you wanted.

>>14765362

Also what's further, anyone referencing any numbers as a defense against licensing something is someone who has clearly not read what I was writing, as the majority of titles that I've bothered to try to do the math for have been ones that have been successes or at least break-even ventures.

>http://www.dmm.co.jp/dc/doujin/-/detail/=/cid=d_dg0001/
My sides

>>14765449
It was at 11 sales until an anon on /a/ tested to see if the counter was actually working
Ganbatte R07

Friendly reminder, if you are playing visual novels and haven't taken the survey yet, please consider doing so to help a student with his master thesis out! It runs until 25.2, so only 11 days left! Thanks a lot!

https://www.soscisurvey.de/visualnovels/

>>14765553
Filled it in, Broski.

>>14765641

Thx!

>>14765553

https://www.google.com/#q=+https:%2F%2Fwww.soscisurvey.de%2Fvisualnovels%2F

Jeez, is there anywhere you haven't shilled this shit?

>>14765655

Trust me, I'm not happy about it but this is the only way to get reasonable numbers and replies... it runs until 25.2 so I try to get as many people to take it as possible

>>14764399
If they're still having payment issues, then Haruka's likely going to be delayed.

>>14765669

Do you think so? That seems like it'd kind of alienate those that have already preordered.

Though to be fair, it's nothing jast hasn't done before.

>>14765655
He's spammed every translator/translation group too.

>>14765668

You best atleast dump the results when you're done then.

>>14765718

thats called field work

>>14765718

After eliminating the troll surveys, sure

https://groupees.com/jast2

I thought for sure this bundle would be all sold out by now. I guess everybody already has Steins;Gate.

>>14765762
i like jast and all, but i'd rather wait a month, give the money to 5pb and maybe get more sciadv on pc.

>>14765123
The only thing Haruka sales mean for Rance is if Alicesoft will be willing to give Managagamer anything else, which rests solely on Haruka's sales. It might seem stupid because the audiences are different, but that's how things seem to be.

>>14765449
What are people saying about it? I really like the art.

>>14765893

there's only one review and the guy says the art is pretty, the story's just okay, but the horror is shit.

> https://aokanatranslation.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/update-02132016/

I'm not even surprised, 2017 release date confirmed.

>>14765989
released by sekai project

>>14765989
It'll never come out.

>>14766007
Can see this being the case. The delay is probably just to stall to set up negotiations on getting a licence and then setting up another Kickstarter.

>>14766156
Or he's just been lying about progress like the Koiken Otome project or how Ludo used to.
>We definitely translated and edited 95% in 6 months, but we need 12 months to do the last 5% and edit it one last time.

The next time that some EOP jerks off to how Conjueror is god's gift to translators, remind them that he thinks Baldr Sky is called Baldr Sky Dive and refers to it as Sky Dive, and that he thought Rain's name was Lain.

>>14766299
>he thinks Baldr Sky is called Baldr Sky Dive
He is right.

>>14766342
ti9 please

>>14766299
>Baldr Sky is called Baldr Sky Dive
Well he is kinda right if you go by it being Dive 1 and 2.

>>14766299
Sounds about as right as calling the Steampunk series the 'WAB' series.

>>14766376
That's why it's always referred to by the creators as Baldr Sky in every way, Dive 1/2 is always written in small text in a different style along with the English subtitle, "Dive" doesn't appear on a bunch of official artwork with the title, and literally nobody in Japan refers to it that way, right?

It's literally always written as
BALDR SKY
ᴰᶦᵛᵉ ¹﹕ ᴸᵒˢᵗ ᴹᵉᵐᵒʳʸ
or
BALDR SKY
ᴰᶦᵛᵉ ²﹕ ᴿᵉᶜᵒʳᵈᵃʳᵉ

You'd have to be retarded to think that's supposed to be read as
BALDR SKY ᴰᶦᵛᵉ
¹﹕ ᴸᵒˢᵗ ᴹᵉᵐᵒʳʸ

>>14766441
>Dive 1/2 is always written in small text in a different style along with the English subtitle
Looks large enough to me.
https://s.vndb.org/sf/86/4886.jpg
https://s.vndb.org/sf/74/6874.jpg

>>14766439
You know that they're all subtitled "What a Beautiful XXXX", right? What a Beautiful Hopes, What a Beautiful People, What a Beautiful Tomorrow, What a Beautiful Memories, etc. Gahkthun is the only outlier, and it's still a What a.

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>>14766451
You need your glasses checked if you think those are the same size or style.

And I enjoy that you tried to use vndb while ignoring the main image completely. Please point to the "Dive" on this image that you're calling part of the title.

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>>14766469
>And I enjoy that you tried to use vndb while ignoring the main image completely.
It doesn't, but the the second part does show it though.

>>14766491
>still much smaller text in a completely different style, after the English subtitle

Yeah, sure. If you're myopic and have severe dyslexia, I can see how you could reasonable think that.

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>>14766503
Well if you are going by that logic then Muv Luv Alternative is just Muv Luv then.

>>14766451
>https://s.vndb.org/sf/74/6874.jpg
Uh, the game title itself refers to it as Dive1 recap. Did you somehow miss that?

>>14766513
You mean like how it's referred to all the time? Including on the official Kickstarter you EOPs love so much?

>>14766457
In much the same way, the main Baldr Sky titles start with 'Baldr Sky Dive'. But there are Baldr Sky games without 'Dive', and there are Steampunk games without 'what a beautiful'. (In addition to Gahkthun, there is also the unreleased 'Mushoku no Ulthar ~End Of The Shining World~'.) It's also consistently referred to as the Steampunk series by Liar-soft, never as the 'WAB series'.

>>14766626
>the main Baldr Sky titles start with 'Baldr Sky Dive'.
No, they don't.

>>14766469
>>14766491
the katakana in the title only reads barudo sukai.

So does anyone have a source on Sekai only releasing a cut version of HoshiMemo with no chance of Denpasoft releasing 18+?

Seems people are pretty committed to the idea in several places, but I've heard literally nothing confirming this.

>>14765893
>>14765964
Check the 2ch thread, people are shitting on it.

>>14766731
Oh, that's getting an EOP release?

Are you at least getting the complete edition with fandisc and switchable voice acting for Chinami? Or are they just reselling a fantranslation to clueless people again?

>>14766753
It's Sekai Project, so it's the latter.

And they're creating a version without porn all on their own, so not even getting the full version and can't fall back on the Grisaia argument about a Vita version being a full version.

>>14766761
Very unfortunate. Perhaps it's time you told them to cut it.

>>14766753
Apparently the old translator hasn't been contacted, so they might just run it through a machine and sell it while removing the porn.

>>14766731
As far as I'm aware, the only information Sekai has released is that they've licensed Hoshimemo, and that it'll be released in 2016. Anything beyond that is speculation; a bunch speculation based on Sekai's earlier behavior, some speculation based on Insem's tweet implying he's not involved, and tons of entirely baseless speculation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/45meml/sekai_project_has_picked_up_hoshizora_no_memoria/czz7at0

Dis gonna be gud.

>>14767250
How else do you think they're going to translate a decently long VN that quickly when they can't even find translators to work on their doujin games in a reasonable timeframe? In all likelihood, they're going to do similar to what they did with Clannad. Use the original (shitty) translation, and rewrite every line, while fixing the most obvious errors.

>>14767271
http://pastebin.com/riMwPRnB

Lela keka.

>宇宙人がＤＶＤ観てるのかもっ
>Maybe he's watching an alien DVD.
>(Maybe the alien is watching a DVD)

Hey, maybe this が is meant to be Old Japanese where が could mean の. Then Insem's translation would be correct.

>>14767250
Okay, so yeah, nothing confirming one way or the other.

I mean if they want me to buy a copy, I'm not buying unless Denpasoft forks over an 18+ version. No cash will be spent otherwise. I can always do things the old way and I'm sure someone will either patch in H-scenes or rip the new translation.

>>14767287
I still have yet to see any proof that Sekai's Clannad release is based on the fan translation. Putting aside the rights issues (you would have to contact every single translator to legally use the fan translation), what would be the point of using the fan translation if you're going to completely rewrite every single line? Do you think they're going out of their way to release something with the lowest possible quality they can manage without people noticing?

>>14767356
>Do you think they're going out of their way to release something with the lowest possible quality they can manage without people noticing?
Why would they stop after only doing it a dozen times?

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>>14767364
Going out of their way to do so? Putting in the same amount of effort to purposely get something of lower quality? What are they, cartoon villains?

>>14767356
>I still have yet to see any proof that Sekai's Clannad release is based on the fan translation.
Why would you think it's not? A similar thing happened with the various releases of Final Fantasy IV, fan, GBA, and PSX. They were billed as redone translations, but what actually happened more often than not is that they took the original (often incorrect) translations and rewrote them, or in the fan translation's case especially, which was advertised as the definitive accurate completely redone retranslation, completely made shit up and inserted all kinds of weird memes and references.

Don't believe everything people tell you, especially when they're trying to advertise their product.

>>14767400
Because it's not less effort. Because actual translators are valuable, rare, and expensive, while South Americans with access to Google Translate are cheap, plentiful, and can get them to that absolutely bare minimum quality level that SP's customer's require.

>>14767421
But the argument is not that Clannad got retranslated using Google Translate, which is something I would find much more plausible. No, people are insisting Sekai used the fan translation, but then completely rewrote every single line of it so nobody notices it's really the fan translation. The effort required to do this would in all likelihood exceed the amount of effort required to even properly retranslate it. It just makes no sense.

>>14767568
>The effort required to do this would in all likelihood exceed the amount of effort required to even properly retranslate it.

The assumption you're making here is retarded as fuck.

>>14767421
>exact same number of lines to process
>could be done by people with less skill
>could be done all in a single language
>would take much more effort

What? This is like saying that it's less effort to just write your own thesis than to plagiarize someone else's. Or that it's more effort to trace art than to do your own original of equal quality.

>>14767579
It may seem weird, but going through every single line and asking yourself 'how can I rephrase this so it doesn't resemble the original anymore?' is harder than going through every single line and translating it in the most obvious manner. It's like you're translating from English to English, except all the obvious word choices can't be used because it would otherwise resemble the original too much. It simply goes against how the brain works; once you read something, your brain wants to use those same words to express the same things, and you have to put in conscious effort to avoid using those words.

Do note that I'm not talking about normal editing work here; that's just rewriting the parts that sound awkward. To pull this off without people easily noticing (and being able to do a simple side-to-side comparison proving this is the case) requires a lot more effort.

>>14767607
Except that it takes a specialized skill that very few people have to translate from Japanese to English, and it takes basic English competency to do what you're describing.

And, might I add, if you translate thousands of lines, and end up with two translations meaning the same thing, but only a couple times ending up being phrased the same way, that sure as fuck as a sign that they've gone out of their way to make them different.

>>14767568
Finding a horde of editors for rewriting the reedited version of Clannad from Doki it's faster and cheaper than retranslating the whole thing.

>>14767621
>Except that it takes a specialized skill that very few people have to translate from Japanese to English
>that very few people have

Lots of people have it, they just prefer to work in fields where they get paid and that are more respectable. Sorry but what sort of professional looks at his life's works and achievements and says, "you know what, I want to get into the cartoon porn business."

>>14767795
Apparently Conjurer said that, since he went from manuals to porn games.
But yeah, the point stands. There are plenty of translators, but they wouldn't want to work for cartoon pron games. They don't pay well and putting them on a resume is questionable.

>>14767819
>They don't pay well
>putting them on a resume is questionable.

You are literally working yourself into a field you will never be able to leave because putting "I translated little sister loli ntr visual novels" on your resume is not exactly a good thing, no matter how good your translation was. Light novels are soo much safer if you want to translate japanese.

>>14767795
Don't be a pedantic cunt.

>>14767875
Just speaking the truth, let's not put eroge translators on pedestal and pretend no one CAN do what they do. It's just no one WILL do what they do.

>>14767884
This is in argument to saying that it's less effort to edit English to English than it is to translate Japanese to English.

In case you've forgot what you're arguing in the midst of your pedantic bullshit about there being hundreds of thousands of people who know both Japanese and English.

>>14767568
when clannad released on steam, someone put the fan translation and the steam release side by side on youtube. i cant find the video now but i remember it being different enough

>>14767884
>Just speaking the truth
Except that it's not. Even just QUALIFIED translators are difficult to find for even completely respectable games, or there wouldn't be so many completely shit translations out there.

>>14767895
>In case you've forgot what you're arguing

I wasn't arguing anything. I'm just saying let's not put eroge translators on pedestal by saying they are few japanese to english translators.

>>14767907
I think it's more of the case that they tend to be unaffordable for the volume of text, not unavailable.

>>14767925
>>14767933
There fucking ARE few Japanese to English translators. That is why so many jobs go to people completely unqualified for it while the ones who are qualified are working in high paying, stable gigs.

>>14767925
You seem to believe that everyone who knows even a little Japanese and even a little English is a translator. Do you feel that everyone who knows English is an English writer too? Is everyone who can make box mac and cheese is a chef? Is everyone who ever coded Hello World a programmer?

>>14767969
You seem to think there is any shortage of japanese material being localized.

>>14767987
By people actually qualified to be translating?

Yes, there sure as fuck is.

>>14765762
The only people still waiting for S;G want it on Steam.

>>14767987
>>14767995
Anime translators are getting more and more terrible.

Check out Saijaku Muhai no Bahamut this season, the translation is terrible every episode. The translator consistently makes mistakes ín recognizing subject and object of sentences.
Like MC telling his imouto:
>I won't make you be all alone. (I.e. I won't die.)
as
>Don't worry, I'll have others with me. (I.e. I won't be alone.)

I guess if this is the standard to get emplyed at Crunchy, I guess I'm fucking overqualified.

>>14768042
Demand of qualified translators vastly outstrips availability, so the ones with actual skills get to set their price, while the part of the market unable to pay that price turns to unqualified people for cheap to try to fill the gap, whether it's SP, Crunchyroll, Techmo Koei, Bandai Namco, whoever. It's very obviously not just a matter of translators not wanting to work on loli porn.

>>14768042
As I recall, you can give them feedback on the shitty translations. Somebody here said that they usually fire the most incompetent ones but who knows if that's true.

>>14768165
Rotate them to the dramas or something literally nobody watches.

>>14766299
"Baldr Sky" also includes abomination called Zero, so all people with taste make sure to differentiate between these two.

>>14768282
No, it doesn't. Stop trying to be a cunt.

>>14768297
Yes, it does. Stop being retard.

>>14768349
Yeah, like how if you say The Simpsons, that means OJ Simpson, Jessica Simpson, Alan Simpson, Simpson College, and the cartoon.

Because you're a pedantic little cunt who is perpetually confused by the world.

>>14768379
>you're a pedantic little cunt
Says autistic retard who is getting triggered by the fact that someone is using full game name instead some abbreviation you made up.

>>14768404
>Says autistic retard who is getting triggered by the fact that someone is using the wrong game name instead of the actual game name

ftfy

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So how hyped are you?

I guess you need the translation isn't shit.

>>14768783
I can't wait for it to sell even worse than Gahkthun and KnS2 because it doesn't even have their slight name recognition.

>>14768818
And that'll be the end of this type of English licences. Well, at least you can be happy you got Himawari, it's a genuinely good catch.

>>14768835
And the crowd goes mild.

>>14768818
It's going on steam, though.

>>14768845
Hardly means success nowadays. You need recognizion.

>>14768783
I for one am glad they're making VNs for ants

>>14768867
Big enough.

>>14768873
remove antposters

>>14768858
If the bar is selling better than KNS2, it'll meet that.

http://blog.mangagamer.org/2016/02/15/pay-processor-issues/

Doesn't concern me, but shit sucks.

>>14769395
When you keep ignoring crimes against you, criminals will get bolder. I'm fairly sure its same people who were reselling MG games via erogedownload and other similar sites.

Kickstarter + Steam Only with "unofficial patch" is future of VNs, its time for mangagamer to stop ramming their heads at wall.

>>14769437

The issue isn't piracy, it's credit card fraud.

Someone had like a shitload of stolen CCard numbers and was running a script to register fake accounts from different IPs, make fraudulent purchases and harvest Steam keys. Days or weeks later we get hit with a chargeback which we get severely penalized for on top of losing the money from the sale.

>>14769470
Why don't the payment processors go to the police with the information they have about credit card fraud instead of penalising an honest business?

Also btw I love you.

>>14769489
Its merchant's responsibility to keep fraud levels below certain values specified in contract. Its surprising that MG wasn't hit with this earlier because they have zero anti-fraud protection on their site, they don't even check cardholder name — I used completely fake strings, not even resembling legit name for every game I bought (legit virtual card belonging to me with legit transaction I didn't chargeback, but still).

>>14769545
Surely Mangagamer can go to Steam with the Steam keys they gave out and have them revoked?

>>14769569
If keys are resold, its not going to hurt perpetrators.
How does Steam send money from market? To CC?

>>14769595
>If keys are resold, its not going to hurt perpetrators.
If you buy from an illegal reseller, you should accept the fact that you're unlikely to keep the game. If customers are regularly sanctioned from buying from illegal resellers, then the resellers name will become mud because customers won't want to use them anymore.

>>14769618
Sure, but I presume most people calculate that risk into the price. I regularly order shit from China, and I know there's a chance I'll either get penalized by customs or never even receive my items. However, the low cost is attractive enough to offset those risks.

Did anyone else notice that a bunch of Jast followers on twitter are fake?

The groupees post has more retweets than bundles sales and several of their folowers dont have any tweets, but retweets of Jast and Peter Payne accounts.

>>14769852
Everyone has fake followers.
https://www.twitteraudit.com/

>>14769862
Yeah, but in the case of Jast is obvious that Peter Paine bought these, look at their followers list rabdomly and you see several accounts that just retweet stuff from Jast, him and some other account.

And as I said several of their post have thousands of retweets, something that you dont see with MG and Sekai, the groupees one in particular having more retweets than bundles sold.

>>14769895
Pooper Pain gives no fucks when it comes to maximizing exposure, that's why he's advertised on 4chan

>>14762622
Based on the infor from Haro's post, a lot of the sales on this chart are probably bogus. Which means any attempt to guess sales is probably going to guess higher then actual sales. Which means Gahkthun might have actually only done like 400.

>>14770295
>Which means Gahkthun might have actually only done like 400.

Absolutely extremely lelious kek.

It's like the highest grade release in forever and only 400?

>>14770295
>a lot of the sales
Nope. Only steam-enabled games, and they never stayed on popularity/ranking for long time, most of the time its nukige and other 18+-only games there.
Yurirei sales are questionable, tho, along with WC games its most likely candidate of fraud.

>>14770312
In terms of both being a good game and being well-translated, it's the best officially released VN period. Too bad nobody cares about quality. People just want cheap anime boobs, preferably on Steam.

>>14770545
>In terms of both being a good game and being well-translated, it's the best officially released VN period.
Dude, Gahkthun's a pretty run of the mill chuunige with some engaging characters and non-engaging fight scenes.

>>14769395
That's a real shame. Other than opting into more security checks for cards, I guess there's not much they can do.

>>14770295

Given that it's based on percentages of order numbers weighted to the top sales chart, estimates should be more or less as accurate as they were. It just becomes a question of how many of the estimated orders were made by bots that got banned, and I somehow doubt a bunch of g2a bots decided to buy gahkthun.

It does put yurirei's real numbers slightly into question, though.

>>14770701

On the other hand, this inspires hope for humanity for those months where AJTilley games were rocking the sales charts in a manner that they absolutely should not have been if anyone involved had actual taste.

>>14770717
Ya know, that actually might be the case. Which would be great as personally they have some of the worst games on MG's site and the fact they were doing so well was creepy. Not to mention I couldn't figure out how they were doing so well as everyone gave the games a pretty mediocre score and it wasn't a huge release or anything.

I do have to wonder how many total sales the bots did make. Are we talking in the hundreds or possibly even into the thousands?

>>14770743

Just taking a quick look, I'd imagine it'd pretty significant. Just taking a look at the period from 10/16 to 11/23(a fairly dead range for mangagamer proper releases) where Divine Slice of Life was number 1 on the charts, we've got 1.2k sales. Give a quarter of that to divine slice of life and assume that atleast 50% were bots and you've got 150 bot sales.

>>14770545
>Wha! Why people don't read muh sophisticated and DEEP Chines porn games and want to have fun instead!
Cry more fucktard. Can't wait for another REAL DEAL trash to flop.

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>>14770812

>real deal

unrelated but that reminded me of this

>>14769470

Going from the tweets on the mangagamer twitter, I imagine your payment processor has basically told you that you have to remove the steam keys before they'll allow purchases again?

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What did she mean by this, /jp/?

>>14769395
Sounds like something Dovac would be doing to ruin competition

>>14771461

dovac's a dick but he's not the illuminati anonymous.

>>14771504
You don't need to be illuminati to buy bunch of CCs for less than 100$ on any carder forum and buy stuff with them from site which doesn't have any kind of protection.

>>14771518

I highly doubt he'd go so far as to commit easily traceable fraud. This isn't kickstarter pumping which no one gives a shit about.

More likely it's just a bunch of russians that can make money off the exchange rate.

>>14770701
Yeah, Kindred Spirits had a lot of hype surrounding it due to those news articles. With some people thinking it was too expensive, a good chunk of its preorders could be fake, and many people could've bought the illegitimate keys.

>>14771304
I'm hoping for limited edition hardcopy.

>>14771240

Also, I'm sure you have a better idea as to how it happened/is happening than I, but if it's a script that's doing it, might it be a good idea to temporarily delist the store pages(or give them new product codes atleast) of products with steam keys(excluding yurirei which will probably get legitimate sales) on the off-chance that your eastern european friend there has left the script on? Just long enough for him to realize that there's no ill-gotten gains left to be made. It would be a shame to get your payment processor re-enabled only get hit with another set of chargebacks because Ivan bought another hundred games before he realized there's no more steamkeys to be had.

>>14771895
Ivan doesn't do stuff like that, yurirei isn't even uploaded on erogedownload yet. And if you are using Ivan as a random example name then sorry for misunderstanding.

>>14772112

It was the first russian name that came to mind.

Though uploading shit and stamping on affiliate links to get paid for it is equally scummy so you should still feel bad.

>>14762546
I hope this game sells like shit so they don't bring any other yuri games over here.

Every yuri game is one less het game brought over.

>>14772675
Someone is hungry for dicks :)

>>14772709
Penetration is the only valid form of sex and all yuri "sex" I've seen is more boring than watching paint dry.

Not that it matter since this game is apparently just ecchi.

Aroduc confirmed for working on Amatsukaze.

https://twitter.com/dobacco/status/699429504771428352

I wish I can believe what he says. Pretty sure they're sitting on the license for AX.

>>14774793
It would be stupid to lie like this. His wording doesn't leave space for reversal later.

>>14775214
>We're not going after the AOKANA license
>...because we already have it.

Seems easy enough to me.

>>14775214
>It would be stupid to lie like this.
Not like he has been good at PR in the past. Why would he get smart now?

>>14762622

>Update 2/16/15 5AM EST: We’ve got coupon and point-only order processing back up. If you have enough MG points to make a purchase or a coupon code from a bundle site or other offer, you should be able to complete a transaction as you normally would with those methods now.

And on that note:
Order Number - 164706
Order Date - 2016-02-17 03:38:37

https://twitter.com/Aru_Naru/status/699670161675022336

Apparently Arunaru is translating Eve

>>14778357
I don't think you have even the slightest understanding of what the 'vibrators' in Eve are.

>>14778365
>>14778357
Eve will never be officially translated. It is too huge, there is too much porn, and the amount of work on the gameplay side with the images is nothing short of stagering. Your only hope is to trick Aroduc into doing it to be contrary.

>>14778378
While it is unlikely, I don't think anybody could say "never".

Euphoria seemed to do well and when Haruka actually comes out, it may catch fire.
Things with a lot of porn may become popular in the future. Things with gameplay are already popular now. At some point, translating Eve may be considered profitable.

Steam might even allow 18+ one day which will allow many more titles to become more feasible to translate.

>>14778394
>At some point, translating Eve may be considered profitable.
If Shin Koihime Musou is too much work to be profitable with all but guaranteed good sales, Eve doesn't stand a chance.

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Thanks, thief. Ruining Steam Keys for all.

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>>14769395
Looks like one of the fags who was jacking keys went on their facebook page to brag.

>>14778995
jinx faggot

>>14779006
>>14778995
Someone wouldn't just go on the internet and lie about being hot shit for attention.

>>14778995
>>14779006
It's a non-white. Literally no surprise.

>>14778995
>>14779006
Fucking brazilian teenage fag trying to show how good he is. He's most likely doing that to get some sort of attention.
Makes me ashamed I'm portuguese myself, though I'm from Portugal.

>>14778995
Well time to send some death threats, haven't done that in a while.

>>14779291
Are death threats ever even effective?

>>14779345
Depends on the person

>>14778995>>14779006
Wonder if MG could grow a pair of balls for once and go report them to police.

>>14779473
>implying we're not

Not that I would imagine much will come of it.

>Xseed will NEVER get my permission to use our translation. I have made that very clear to all the people involved in the project. I don't agree with their policy of stealing the work of fan translations. They have made it clear they had no intentions of working on Zero or AO (since according to them, they really aren't that important to the overall story). Financially it doesn't make sense for them to even care after the horrible release of Cold Steel. Literally 1 store in a 100 mile radius got a shipment and I know at least 20 people who are like me when it comes to buying games in store (and not online). Needless to say, other companies got their money for new games that week and now they don't even care to try to find it. Yep. I have no love lost for Xseed and only started working on these games because I knew they would never get an english release. But since I started, they seem to have really taken an interest in games that are getting fan translations (Brandish PSP, Xanadu Next). They think they can give people a little bit of money and they will jump for joy.

>They can't afford my crew. If I put a monetary price on it, it would be close to $250,000 per person in the team and there is at least 8 people working on it currently not to mention numerous people who also would deserve compensation for their contribution. People may think that is an extreme price and it may be. But it is my way of telling them they can go screw themselves.

>>14779555
Link? This is hillarious

>>14779592
https://gbatemp.net/threads/legend-of-heroes-translation.366149/page-27

last post

>>14779473
It doesn't really matter at this point, the damage is done. Card processors really, really don't like chargebacks and often drop businesses who get too many. Even if MG is 100% found innocent by the police, the risk has already been proven to the processor.

MGs were likely already paying very high rates for carrying both digital and adult products (processors consider both higher risk). They may well have to do more than just remove steam keys e.g. having their funds held for longer, implement further fraud prevention measures or accepting even higher rates.

>>14779592
It's just another child in the batshit crazy Falcom fandom that also spawned that dumbass Ys guy who thinks that as "project leader", that makes him the lynchpin of a massive translation project and that he is the owner of translator work.