Gust Thread
Ar Tonelico For Lazy People Pack™:
http://www.mediafire.com/?5e2ttnrjtim3n4i
Emulator installer and bios. Plugins are automatically included. Torrent(s) outdated, check nyaa for seeded torrent(s). Thanks to Anonymous for this.
Note: Newer emulator downloads than what is in the lazy pack can be found here: http://pcsx2.net/downloads.php
Note2: If you encounter sprite glitches, try a Version >= r5101 from http://pcsx2.net/svn.php
AT2 Raki bug patch - http://www.mediafire.com/?bp8ydy03ml7r5xa
You shouldn't need this if you're using a new version (0.9.7+) of PCSX2. Thanks to anonymous for uploading this!
Latest Technical Data Compilation Room Issue:
http://artonelico.wikia.com/wiki/ARM_Backup/Ar_Portal_translation/Ar_Ciel_Technical_Data_Compilation_Room
Latest Toukousphere Translation can be found on the top of this page:
http://artonelico.wikia.com/wiki/ARM_Backup/Ar_Portal_translation/Toukousphere
April Fools TKS:
http://www.mediafire.com/?avpff50jo843a52
Ar tonelico 2 Relocalization Project. Beta patch already out:
http://w11.zetaboards.com/Revatail_Hymmne/topic/10690289/1/ (You need to register to access the subforum)
EXA_PICO Music Collection
http://pastebin.com/aPxrK3zh (embed)
Previous thread
>>14347291
![[Commie] Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku - My Teenage RomCom SNAFU TOO! - 01 [E3B1108A].mkv_snapshot_19.51_[2015.07.01_00.04.30].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0wMss3u.jpg "[Commie] Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku - My Teenage RomCom SNAFU TOO! - 01 [E3B1108A].mkv_snapshot_19.51_[2015.07.01_00.04.30].jpg")
I need new Tsuchiya game. Right now.
Unprepared and lazy edition once again.
Anyone found any download for "COSMOCRYSTAL -Clalliss xest hymmnos-"?
>>14453653
Say if there anything missing or unreadable, I tried to retake photos but some still ended up shit.https://mega dot nz/#!
xxhXzRab!M5WIz6Mu90RpYrRjLe4hlpZF3wwjzNc-TYhu7soVXc8
>>14455287
You can delete all files you can delete the bubble (which is tied to game data for digital, rip people without ps+). Can't delete individual savefiles if it's not put in there by the developer.
>>14457423
oh, basically can't take picture of cover itself because of horrible reflection (it's a plastic cover over the cd cover with glossy paper) so I took picture of song names, artists and so on, I hope that was what you where looking for.
Not my uploads but re-posting from the last thread anyways.
Atelier Sophie CG rip:
http://www.mediafire.com/?qb3xip6o81raxpv
pw: /jp/
Atelier Sophie OST, Vocal Album, and Sound Archives:
Flac
https://mega
.nz/#!h1wBwA6T!Ek4s4qcwdfPMLbcA148Y8JRSNKnvcd5NSGEQlnpNNCI
Vorbis
https://mega
.nz/#!klBlURzA!oqjL6HzqFUPI018AhK_ohpVL7Mgmv5nfCWxHhL2n7zI
>>14457867
Also this nice tapestry that I will never own.
>>14457875
I think you mean, that nice Sophie ass that you will never own.
country bumpkin sophie a cute! A CUTE!!!
>>14457085
We all do ;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8WDhOb5AIs&index=5&list=PLY0spzQf6Fm1a4VNxrwBtCeLRck3gAB_i
The opening is so good.
>>14465201
I actually don't like any of the songs (with vocals) in Sophie. Maybe the final boss theme with chanting, but beyond that I think GUST should let Tsuchiya handle the serious vocal songs.
The OST is pretty good otherwise though.
>>14465305
To each their own I guess. This is the only vocal song from Sophie I've heard so far but I really like it.
KT want to know if people want the Vita version of Yoru no Nai Kuni/Nights of Azure with 3 polls:
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/674538904368848896
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/674539093548802048
https://twitter.com/koeitecmoeurope/status/674539189606727680
>>14465201
I like the Atelier songs as they are.
They really give the ambience of a comfy European country side town and the adventures of the cute girls who live in it.
>>14465305
If Tsuchiya does everything he'll run out of ideas for new songs for actual Ar Tonelico/Surge Concerto series.
Is it even possible to get 出来が良い, プロの完成度, 超クオリティon the same item? It seems like 出来が良い, プロの完成度 will get automatically cancelled out.
>>14466278
I don't think you can. I did the whole 999-quality marathon just fine with 超クオリティ, プロの完成度 and 品質上昇++ though.
>>14466042
>22% No, package ver only
God damn, why would you choose to have it digital if you can vote for having it packaged? Why do people even pay money for digital scams?
>>14466764
Especially because of the cost of Vita memory cards.
>>14457423
>Anyone found any download for "COSMOCRYSTAL -Clalliss xest hymmnos-"?
Not yet.
Maybe I'm the only one who is stupid, but apparently Escha and Logy is a pun on Eschatology.
"Eschatology is a part of theology concerned with the final events of history, or the ultimate destiny of humanity."
>>14469018
ha, that's even funnier because Eschatology doesn't conclude the dusk series and Gust will never conclude it;_;
>>14469279
Shallie Plus might help conclude it better.
>>14457867
The lack of tags is killing me.
>>14469342
shallie is a new world isn't it?
>>14469412
Shallie is in the Dusk world. Sophie is a new world.
>>14469424
>Sophie is a new world.
Is Logy a dimension hopper?
>>14469438
He's a different Logy in Sophie.
So, did it sell?
What's the story behind this picture?
>>14469661
The short story is that Ion is secretly S.
Imagine asking Ion for a foot massage. Partway through, you notice that she's stepping on you a little hard. You look up and see her face getting a little flushed and her breath getting a little ragged. She notices you looking at her and she quickly catches herself.
>>14469661
>>14469754
Also codependency. A truly crushing amount of codependency.
So I just finished Sophie.
Oscar pisses me off to no end. What a fat lazy fucker. No respect for his ridiciculously hot mother. He probably doesn't even fuck her. But worst of all is his fucking "oira". After listening to the seiyuus greetings you get after beating the game I feel bad for his CV. He seems like a good guy.
Now to get that platinum I guess
Major spoiler:Handholding ending best ending
>>14472702
Seems like the best and gayest ending to me.
>>14466042
>23% What is this game?
Come on, KT. A quarter of your own Twitter subscribers doesn't even know about your game. Are you looking for excuses to not make it happen?
No, I won't be buying it because I have no way to run it on my "3.18 forever" Vita, at least for now. No, I won't update nor get another Vita. If anything, I'll play YoruKuni on a PS3 instead, especially if someone backports English translation.
On a side note, Europeans can get pic related and ArNo+ from PS Store with a good discount until Dec 25th.
>>14473470
I'm a GUST fan and I've barely heard anything about Yoru.
I mean, look at our threads. It was sort of hype building up to release, then nothing. From what I can tell there was absolutely nothing noteworthy about it, except maybe GUST's first ARPG with decent gameplay.
>>14473470
>I'll play YoruKuni on a PS3 instead
From what I've heard, YnNK is even less optimised on PS3 and is actually the worst version i.e. even the Vita version runs better.
Of course maybe I was being trolled so you'll still need confirmation.
>>14473534
Come to think of it, you're right. I bet it didn't even have a kiss.
>>14473534
The game did well enough for them to make more DLC.
>>14473650
>I bet it didn't even have a kiss.I only saw the first ending but it did
>>14473470
Oh, damn, thank you, you made me check the JP store, Rorona is 40% off. Time to buy.
>>14474722
Oh, nice. Since we've gotten Totori and Meruru through Plus I've been holding off for Rorona to come to it, and now that I've finished Sophie I want to play the other Atelier games.
Is 3240 yen the best price I'll get for it non-secondhand?
>>14476482
I think it's a good price. I mean, it's 40% off.
Also, from Christmas until the first week of January, Ayesha and Ar nosurge plus will also be 40% off.
So, does anyone know exactly how much content Ciel nosurge has?
There's all the voicemails. Plus certain conversation changes when you sync with a completed Ar nosurge save. For example in addition to a different ending, I think there was a spot in the Genometrics or somewhere where the game reflects the fact that you've completed or at least played Ar nosurge.
Does anyone know for example what happens if you don't marry Ion, for the rest of Ciel nosurge and Ar nosurge after a sync?
>>14477177At the end of Ciel, if you synced with Ar, at the very, very end, right at the end of the credits, you can hear Ion waking you up in Ar
Fucking Tsuchiya, these small details are perfect.
>>14477230
Is that not why we love the series so much?
I'm actually rather disappointed that not more people like it.
The scale of the storytelling is breathtakingly large, yet at the same time achingly personal.
>>14478159
>I'm actually rather disappointed that not more people like it.
Blame KT and the completely botched western treatment of Surge. I decided not to bother with it until I can learn enough moon to play the games as intended, and that'll certainly be a long time away.
>>14469438
Logy become a Pamela level cameo in Atelier series now.
How many ending are there in Sophie?
A follow-up to >>14466042
Vita version of YoruKuni for the West will more likely happen than not apparently. Whether it will receive a physical release or not is another question though.
Come to think of it, what was the last GUST game to have a physical release on Vita in the West, if any at all?
>>14479773
Ar Nosurge, I think. But you had to order from NISA.
>>14479828
>But you had to order from NISA.
...since it never appeared in their EU store, which explains why I forgot about it. Thanks, and thanks for reminding me why I "love" NISA even more than KT.
It will be really ironical to see NA-exclusive YoruKuni LE after having KT Europe earn it.
>>14478666
One.Actually two, related to a missable trophy. If you craft the philosophers stone before beating the final boss, Prachta challenges you to surpass her in the ending, which gives you a missable trophy.
Now that NISA is putting Disgaea on Steam, what are the chances we'll get Ar Tonelico on the PC as well?
>>14480924
Zero. Ar Tonelico is nowhere as popular as Disgaea. Ar Tonelico makes indie games look like blockbusters. KT probably doesn't even know AT exists.
To put it simply, AT lacks normalfag meme value. It doesn't spread very well by word-of-mouth.
>>14481040
KT is irrelevant in Ar Tonelico because the rights has already been licensed to NISA.
Now it's just up to whether NISA wants to get more dosh from an existing IP.
>>14481088
I don't think NISA has the programming skills for a port, nor legal rights to resell a PS2 emulator.
>>14481088
I doubt NISA would get much out of AT. Stuff like Disgaea, Persona, Neptune completely blow AT out of the water.
At best we end up with another Esty Dee as NISA tries to hype AT using the "lewd" aspects as PR.
>>14480008
>One
That's very disappointing, it's still one of the better game I played this year but knowing that I'm going to take my time.
>>14481040
>It doesn't spread very well by word-of-mouth.
Sometimes I wonder why that is.
>>14481182
>nor legal rights to resell a PS2 emulato
Technically, they can, I think. PCSX2 is licensed under GPL, and GPL actually full allows selling a program or bundling it with another program, including games. It's only that you must also tell the buyer about the way to get the source of the program for free, allow him to redistribute the free part of it for free, and if you change the source, it too must be licensed under GPL.
Hell, GOG regularly bundles games with DosBox, and it is an emulator too, licensed under GPL, no less. And yet nobody cares.
However, >>14481228 is still right. If you want free money, AT is the last thing you would try. There are a lot more things they can repackage and resell before they would even think of Ar Tonelico.
Also, the emulator works fine anyway.
>>14481814
Oh, but using PCSX2 actually requires a copy of PS2 BIOS, now that I remember it.
So it may be that there would be some legal problems, I guess, unless they talk it over with Sony, or something.
How many different outfits are there?
>>14480924
As if it hasn't been on the PC for years already. That said, it's [s]more likely[/s] less unlikely to see AT on PSN first, considering that CFW PS3s can play them just fine even using software PS2 emulator by Sony (albeit with game-specific emu settings taken from legit PSN release of Mana Khemia).
From the technical point of view it takes as much effort as packing appropriate ISOs and their CONFIGs into PS2 Classics containers, uploading them on Sony servers and putting up PS Store pages, most of which is done by Sony themselves. There's even more incentive to do this with PS4 getting backwards compatibility even in its very limited form as of now.
So some legal stuff (preventing AT from getting more popularity) must be involved here.
I've just booted AT1 on PCSX2 to find out that sprites have been broken again in GSdx32@DX9 mode (along with SPU-2X becoming non-loadable on my Win2003 system, but that one is just my problem apparently).
PCSX2 v1.3.1 build 1416 is the first broken one, because switching both DLLs to build 1415 fixes both problems for me.
Can anyone else confirm/deny that build 1415 works for them too while builds 1416+ don't?
Download them from buildbot.orphis.net and unpack archives to separate folders. Go to GSdx settings and enable HW Hacks, then configure "Sprite" hack to half-checked or checked and "Round Sprite" to half-checked states (both are AT-specific hacks everyone should be using with the game either way).
>>14482141
Why is Wise and Fool not on opposite ends of the chart? Gust please.
>>14482251
If they did that, they would imply that "cute" and "brave" are opposites.
Guess what's coming out for C89? Is this the first Dakimura from GUST semi-officially?
>>14482377
Yeah, but the way it is now, it implies that you can be 100% wise and 100% foolish at the same time by stretching to the bottom-left corner.
>>14482466
It's just like high Intelligence low Wisdom characters in DnD. Sounds stupid, but it works.
>>14482465
There is 1 atelier (+2 from escha anime) and 2 AT dakis from Gust/Koei Temco.
>>14482465
I think I could actually bring myself to like Anus if she stayed in her cuter form on the right.
Anyone who bought Sophie over PSN can tell me how much space it takes?
>>14479773
Ar nosurge+ got a physical LE from NISA and Eschalogy+ is getting one too
>>14483292
The original Deception 4 game also got a physical Vita release without needing an LE
>>14483033
https://store.playstation.com/#!/ja-jp/ゲーム/ソフィーのアトリエ-～不思議な本の錬金術士～/cid=JP0106-NPJB00764_00-SOPHIE00MASTER00
>・ダウンロード容量：9203MB
>本体へコンテンツをダウンロードする際は、本体ストレージにダウンロード容量以外に一時的な空き容量が必要ですので、ご注意ください。
As a rule of thumb, you'll need twice the size of the game to install it or PS3 won't start downloading it, which means 18GB of free space in this case.
>>14483397
I would have paid more the ps4/ps3/vita digital cross buy. I really wonder why more companies don't do that.
>>14483409
its pretty much only Indie devs that do it
>>14483409
Cross-buy means everyone is forced to buy a bundle of 2-3 versions of the game, and since each version takes its own development costs, everyone pays extra for the stuff they might not even want or have a device to play on. Not only the company loses potential profits from selling other versions separately, they may even lose a whole sale because the package is too expensive (as opposed to a single version of the game that one potential customer actually needed).
In an ideal world we'd have separate versions AND cross-platform bundles (or at least a discount if you already own that game on another platform) for us to choose from, but it's either you play by their rules or hack the console and stay offline, voluntarily or with a help of a magical banhammer.
>>14483309
>the western localization of the game was released in North America on 25 March 2014, and Europe on 28 March 2014.[5][6][7]
It's a TK game rather than GUST's and Vita wasn't that dead in the West back then.
I think that YoruKuni will be released in English for Vita (they did make the 4th poll instead of refusing outright), but it will be digital only (the question implied that Vita is too dead for them here).
>>14483570
>potential profits from NOT selling other versions separately
>>14483570
JIDF pls kill you'reself out of /jp/
>>14483707
Back to your containment board, /pol/ trash.
They're too goddamn cute.
>>14482465
There's the Jacqli one that I'm totally never going to be able to get.
Anyone know how to get chocolate Prachta?
>>14483397
thank you! sorry for the late reply
Bonus for beating Ar nosurge secret boss
Bonus 1
Wear all costumes whenever you want.
Bonus 2In the Extras model viewer, you can angle the camera up and down.
Gee, I wonder what I'm supposed to do with this.
You know how both Earthes suits have a big bulge in the crotch region? Well, maybe it's there for practical robot reasons, right? Like to hold or protect important robot parts, or to support their weight, or something.
But then when I looked at the model for Ion's last song magic, the 7th dimensional dragon, it has a big spike in its crotch region too. Obviously it's not there to fulfill some sort of physical requirement since Song magic don't have to worry about engineering, so it must be there because Ion wants it there, being born out of her mind.
Maybe Ion really has a thing for giant mechs with big crotch bulges. I'm sure there's no deeper meaning there.
Playing Ciel nosurge. Definitely enjoying it.
But holy shit, so much effort into everything and they skimp out on doing lip synching.
At least do it for the songs.
New Shallie Plus screenshots are up.
http://atelier-ps3.jp/shallie/vita/add01.html
>>14466065
> If Tsuchiya does everything he'll run out of ideas for new songs for actual Ar Tonelico/Surge Concerto series.
Why not hire somebody from outside, like Morrigan?
Recent WAVE's albums are ar tonelico-tier
>>14486688
>logy suddenly there
does this mean that ayesha might be in it as well
>>14486810
Keep looking, you might be surprised.
What are some of your favourite prototype designs? I would've preferred this design, although the dark colours don't look too good against the light.
I got Ayesha plus in that recent PSN sale and I'm loving it. I don't think I've liked an Atelier this much before. I really hope I don't fuck up.
>>14486688
Does anyone other than fujo actually care about Logy?
>>14487849
Probably.
Can I play Japanese Sophie in my European PS4? Physical or digital version?
>>14488067
Yes, either will run.
>>14488067
Both of them will work, but if you also plan to use DLC, even physical version will need Japanese PSN account.
>>14486647
No budget. Might as well complain about them skimping out on the sprites too, there are probably doujin games that have a larger variety of sprites than Ciel+Ar. The one-man Touhou games have more enemy sprites.
>>14483780
The vita version is already bargain bin cheap in some places, but I know it's for a reason. I still only have my ps3 and I'm not sold on a ps4 just yet, but I also don't want to buy more games for my ps3.
>>14488261
I've downloaded DLC before on my JP account and it still runs on my US or EU account. Unless certain games lock this feature out.
>>14489588
Sure, but since only the Japanese PSN store has DLC compatible with Japanese editions of games, you need a Japanese PSN account just to get the DLC. Once you have it, sure, you can play it on whatever account you have.
(Yes, I'm ignoring any non-official means of obtaining DLC.)
>>14490259
Well, it's pretty simple to make a JP account and add money, so he shouldn't have any problems.
Thinking about tring out the Dusk series, am I losing out on much if I don't get the plus versions? I don't really care about swimsuits and such since I like the basic designs a lot already, but I was wondering if there's really big changes worth getting plus for
>>14490526
For one thing, the localized version of Atelier Ayesha on PS3 doesn't have Japanese voices (even though the Japanese voice actors are prominently listed in the opening credits).
Some people care about that.
>>14490526
Ayesha Plus has Hard Mode, which makes it more challenging; the original game was too easy. A+ also map flags for the storyline events, which are otherwise annoyingly missable.
>>14490547
>>14490548
I see, thank you for your replies!
>>14487594
At first I thought that was proto-Cordelia. Then I saw the silly hat.
What are the other prototype designs like?
>>14490408
It's not as much a real problem as it's an inconvenience, but using out-of-region PSN accounts pretty much requires buying prepaid PSN cards from third parties such as Amazon or Play-Asia with middleman fee included.
>>14497892
I just ask some of my friends to help me buy a bunch of cards whenever they go to Japan, which is pretty often if all your friends are varying levels of weeb.
>>14498912
>>14497892
Online services mail you the code almost instantly, plus at least the one I use surcharges $11 for a Y10000 card. I was going to say that it's not much but now that I think about it yeah, I'd prefer not paying those extra $11. But still, it's not too steep.
I've bought all the Aarland series and Ayesha. But I'm hesitant to buy the rest of the Dusk series 'cause the characters aren't very cute (I'm petty like that OK? I haven't even gotten around to playing rorona).
So are they any good? And am I missing out on something really remarkable?
Is Gust (or Gust under KT) doing anything for Comiket?
>>14499159
Actually Escha is cute in motion, same with the Shallies.
Just get them anon.
>>14482465
Jesus christ Arnice has the greatest thighs in the GUST universe
>>14504294
Too bad she's a lesbo.
>>14504304
Not according to people who beat it.
Best
>>14504743
Explain further.
>>14504760
Why is Misha so good?
>>14499159
The Shallies are some of the cutest Atelier girls in the series. I'm not sure if it's just me but it feels like they get kind of underrated a lot. Shallie is actually my favorite Dusk game followed by Ayesha in second. Didn't care for E&L at all though.
Anyways, I fucking love the Shallies. I'm still waiting for them to get figures. I hope Plus does a good job of making them even closer with their argument.
>>14505080
I'll get Shallie plus 'cause tracking down physical copies of the Atelier games in my area is a huge pain.
Is shallie when the Atelier designs got lewd? Or have they always been lewd but the main characters have been pretty PG13 until now?
>>14504959
Meanwhile
Croix: What I want to ask you is, why does the costume come with the gun?
Jacqli: It's pretty hot, isn't it?
Croix: I have no idea of what you are saying.
Jacqli: ...Idiot.
Croix: Anyway, if you have such a good weapon, could you please support us with it?
Jacqli: This is just a toy, I can't use it in real battles.
Croix: ...So why do you carry it, anyway?
Jacqli: Cause it turns me on.
Jacqli: ...Let me tell you something.
Jacqli: This shirt is a little big on me, so if you pull it down just a little, it might fall down completely...
Jacqli: So do you like 'em big?
Croix: Like what big?
Jacqli: Breasts.
Croix: ...Are you sexually harassing me?
Jacqli: That's not what i'm trying to do...
Jacqli: I take baths with Cloche a lot...
Jacqli: ...That's when I noticed the difference.
Croix: (Not imagining it...not imagining it...)
Jacqli: It, it's not like I felt like a loser or anything.
Jacqli: Even if they're small, I'm not ashamed to show them off!
Croix: Well, you shouldn't be showing them off!
Jacqli: It, it doesn't matter! I'm just asking if you like them bigger!
Croix: Oh, me? Um...
Croix: ...That kind of stuff doesn't really matter to me.
Jacqli: Oh, really... That's good.
Jacqli: I mean, w-well, judging a lady by her breast size is so wrong anyway!
Croix: Ah, yeah... You're right.
Croix: (I actually do care a little, but I shouldn't say that...)
>>14505092
I've only played the Arland and Dusk games but the "lewdness" has always felt about the same to me. There's not really much "lewd" in Atelier games.
I guess Plachta's outfit in Sophie is pretty lewd but I have no problems with it. These games are tasteful with their fanservice and aren't all about shoving tits in your face like some other shitty series doSenran Kagura.
>>14502741
http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/comiket89/sp
Plachta in a Santa outfit.
>>14505341
Is that a Christmas event?
>>14505393
DLC
http://www.gamer.ne.jp/news/201512180169/
>>14505482
>300 for a single outfit
I hope the EXA_PICO games never get this ridiculous.
>>14505587
I never support DLC costumes for any game. It looks like the Sophie one is free though.
>>14505080
I'd have preferred Stera to wear the coat.
>>14505741
I switched the coat back on Sophie as soon as I got the new shiny outfit. It just gave her a lot of personality unlike the generic frilly stuff.
>>14506953
The generic frilly stuff makes bedtime reading easier.
I like both outfits. Sophie is cute as hell either way though I do love her oversized coat.
>>14487594
Lily was almost a boy!
>>14457867
>>14469360
I'm trying to fix this but there's a problem with the Sound Archives. According to http://vgmdb.net/album/55758 the first track is 3:59 whereas the first ripped track is 01:30. Can anyone confirm?
>>14510742
It is that way for me. Also, it is undoubtedly the opening.
I haven't listened to the rest yet, but lengths of tracks 2-16 match the lengts of tracks 3-17 respectively (with a margin of error about a second). Then track 17 is 1:29.
At least it's how it is for me. I downloaded FLAC version from mega.
>>14511080
Oh, also
*2-16
in the zip
*3-17
on the site you've shown
So, for example, track 9 in the zip is the same length as track 10 in the list on the site, minus a second (probably a matter of rounding or something like that).
Okay, in the film Kyon wakes up at four pm, but I'm sticking to the book in this case.
>>14511241
Are you sure this is the right thread?
Not that the matter of Kyon's daily schedule isn't an interesting one.
>>14510742
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTC6MW0n7HvDYBb707MW1I8j7bFfkgHuT
is consistent with my upload except it's always rounds up (and it adds 1 sec on track 10 and 15 in the playlist menu but is correct if you open the track/video themself).
>>14511080
no point in comparing same source
>>14511253
So it's the database that's wrong? I'll update the tracklist on VGMDB and MusicBrainz as well.
Been playing Ar nosurge: Ode to Synthesis Events. Bought the original NA release when it came out and played halfway through phase 1 then got distracted. Probably to finish up Eschatology before Shallie came out. Shameful.
I don't even remember what's going on in the main story anymore. Only Chunpi merchandising. I love the synthesis events but god damn. It never ends.
>>14511472
Buckle in, champ.
It's gonna be a long ride.
>>14511334
Seems like it, you could always wait on someone else who got the LE to check theirs.
>>14511472
>I don't even remember what's going on in the main story anymore.
It's a good thing the game includes a summary. More games should do this, otherwise it makes it impossible to take a break from longer games without getting lost.
>>14505133
Croix was the best protagonist ever. Why can't we have more 'straight man' type protagonists?
>>14505587
It's Koei Tecmo controlling things now.
>>14457017
Hello Jaay pee, i am new to atelier series should i start with "atelier Marie: The Alchemist of Salburg"?
>>14511251
Sorry, my mistake.
>>14512463
How well do you read Japanese?
>>14512463
If you can read basic Japanese and are not afraid of dictionary then yes. If not then I recommend trying either Mana Khemia or Atelier Iris. If you want something more modern, go for Arland trilogy.
>>14512463
Huh, I started Marie yesterday.
I kind of have no idea what to do.
Going to the same two locations again and again offers no progress, and going to other locations gets me destroyed even if I take two guards with Marie.
Hey guys, I thought, I should share something with you, since to me the OP is lacking.
First, the complete, patched, ready to emulated iso of AT2 Beta translation.
Part 1
https://mega.nz/#!VFBkCAKJ!_Pw8wxSXLVGxyHgr-kfg4g6U5CepD21O310noUzNqJc
Part 2
https://mega.nz/#!JRpCyQQC!I3e_wnZYQgtYqM03VnKZjip78ZFczpZ1OcEMSu7UmeU
Part 3
https://mega.nz/#!FUxAyAzJ!qGTN2GK0tBc1Ix6Lv2Sm8tWfL9lR_QInxCwLWQqiC6E
Part 4
https://mega.nz/#!ZMpWyT7C!oFTYOEbFT5RjUERx1CoULAWzDznqLTz-zGtuvZksfGg
Part 5
https://mega.nz/#!NcxGCaoD!fkjzF_UuyT0r2QNn4O2hctx9ED7PwZmDEbAHAnS5XpQ
Part 6
https://mega.nz/#!wVZCGLxA!DvU-RjZIE_0nyZUlOG1Lj9M0ckl_Hyht38Md4IOiYLM
And next, COMPLETE, 100% Saves for AT1 and 2, ready to be uploaded in emulator for Aurica\Shurelia and Cloche\Mir\Cocona paths.
https://mega.nz/#!INhlABDI!zpE9dSY3r416LUurlJG8kudxoHTyydzmgDGxlF4si38
Not really sure about AT2, though, since I could've forgotten to complete Jakuri's Cosmosphere, but there should be a save right before the final boss, so you can still do it yourself.
Enjoy.
What went wrong with Ar tonelico 3? I heard it was the worse received in the trilogy.
>>14517696
Nothing
People just expected some PS2ish RPG but AT3 had a weak fighting system and the graphics were 3D for the first time.
I think the third part actually was the most enjoyable.
>>14517759
Ar tonelico 3 itself is perfectly fine. As a game however it was just at a time where it was inconvenient. Gust had just switched over to PS3 and had no other experience other than Atelier Rorona so the game turned out.. decent but not great. Had they waited a few years I imagine the game itself would have been great.
Then again AT3 didn't have best girl join you and instead forced moeblob Saki onto you for the whole game so there's that problem too but that's just my own opinion.
>>14517930
I meant to quote >>14517696.
>>14517696
There were three things that were quite bad in AT3:
1) the combat system - not that it's a strong point in any AT installment, but this one was clearly the weakest.
2) story-wise, the very beginning. It feels rushed, incoherent and quite confusing. It gets better quite fast, though.
3) why would anyone think that combat stripping and packing as many fetishes as possible into Finnel's cosmosphere were good ideas?
This game is by no means perfect, but it's still pretty good. People who say it's unplayable are seriously exaggerating.
>>14517759
>>14517930
What are you talking about? AT3 had better graphics than whole Arland series, AT2, and arguably AT1.
>>14518098
This and weak non-hymmnos BGM.
>packing as many fetishes as possible into Finnel's cosmosphere were good ideas?
But it is, in fact, the best part of the game.
This thread is always so sleepy
>>14518151
I never personally mentioned graphics, I was more referring to the engine and any possible limitations that may have occurred. Take a look at Rorona. Now take a look at some of the newer Dusk games. With time and experience comes better and more developed tools, which results in a better game and this may even include graphical fidelity. They can also learn from past experiences and improve upon them, as they did with Totori.
The combat system was really mediocre in AT3 for example, that could have been improved given time and/or experience. AT3 was pushed out of the door when Gust were relatively inexperienced working with the engine and with the PS3 itself so such a problem is only natural, I just wish it'd have been delayed by a year or two so they could smooth out any problems and get a little more accustomed to the engine via their Arland games.
>>14518405
It was simply a really shitty attempt at mixing tales combat with rythm game of a studio who has zero experience on either field and has nothing to do with 3d engine or ps3 hardware.
Okay I FINALLY got a PS3 and I want to go wild on the Atelier games that have been out of my reach for so long. Am I missing out on anything by buying that bundled version that has the first three in it?
>>14519117
You're just getting all 3 of the games in 1. As long as you're fine not getting the plus versions then go ahead. Enjoy your cute girls doing cute things.
>>14519236
The Plus ones only on Vita or something, or are they brand new and cost more?
>>14519241
Meruru is the only Plus you can get on PS3. That is because the original version is hot garbage. You will say a bit of money with the trilogy but you might wanna consider getting them used individually.
>>14519277
You mean Rorona, not Meruru.
>>14518151
>This and weak non-hymmnos BGM.
But AT3 had some pretty good stuff like EXEC_METEMPSYCHOSIS/. and METHOD_HYMMELI/.
The Gust official website is having some Christmas event where you get a stamp for visiting it today, tomorrow and Christmas.
I don't know what it does yet.
>>14519969
>特別企画「ガスト メモリアルカード」！
>『シャリーのアトリエ Plus ～黄昏の海の錬金術士～』を初め、歴代「アトリエ」シリーズの主人公たちや、『よるのないくに』『サージュ・コンチェルト』のキャラクターが、季節に合わせたカードとして登場！
カードを引けるチャンスは1日2回！さあ、今日はどのキャラクターに出会えるでしょうか？
I've gotten Ciel illust and Gust-chan for today.
>>14520080
I got me some Shallies.
>>14520831
I think everyone gets that one? 初ログイン
I got some old atelier stuff.
>>14521062
How about we try to collect all of them?
http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/a16v/img/card/first0135107.jpg
http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/a16v/img/card/a020132880.jpg
http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/a16v/img/card/a010154016.jpg
>>14521066
>Get two guys
Dammit.
>>14521072
>>14521076
http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/a16v/img/card/a080128423.jpg
http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/a16v/img/card/a070152116.jpg
http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/a16v/img/card/a16v0485354.jpg
I got Totori.
>>14521272
And Nei.
>>14521277
>>14521309
>>14521311
Just realised that it is now the 24th. I better go to bed for work in the morning.
http://social.gust.co.jp/pc/event/a16v/img/card/cnn0275587.jpg
She's pretty cute.
>>14521062
Oh, it was the only thing showing up for my account on the stamp page. Is there a way to unlock more stuff?
>>14521694
Never mind, I'm a complete retard who can't see a giant red button.
My final one for today was >>14521062.
Reminder that Atelier Ayesha Plus and Ar nosurge Plus are now 40% off on Japanese PSN, I think for a week.
Got a picture of Sophie being cute.
Meruru
>>14523214
>Atelier Ayesha Plus
Not sure if I should get it. Just got New Rorona in the sale yesterday, so still to play the Arland trilogy.
I enjoyed Sophie though, so I think I'll eventually get around to playing them all. Does Atelier go on sale much on jp psn?
>>14523214
Also, the title of the sale is
>コーエーテクモ 年末年始キャンペーン 第2弾 1/6（水）まで
>>14524723
>Does Atelier go on sale much on jp psn?
Not as far as psprices.com knows. They had 20% off on February 2015 it seems.
>>14524748
That seems like a useful site, thanks.
Might be a good idea to get in now, then. That said we did get Totori and Meruru plus on ps+ this year, and since I won't be playing Ayesha for a while I might be better holding off. I prefer physical, too.
Christmas Rorona!
So what's supposed to happen on the 25th anyway? It's the 25th in Japan now and I'm not seeing anything particularly special.
Merry Christmas, guys
>>14525136
Website says there that there will be a similar event near the New Year's too.
Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas, everyone!
Still waiting on Judy, and Viese, and a card image for Shallotte. Then I can go try to print these on card stock, and pretend these are Trumps in the style of the Amber books.
>>14525514
Merry Christmas.
>>14525514
Quick programming project for newbie programmers. Try cycling through and brute forcing URLs to get all of the images.
I'm busy with Utawarerumono at the moment trying to escape the lack of Tsuchiya games.
>>14526772
You can, but the images url seems to be <game prefix>0<6 random digits>.jpg
Those are a lot of HTTP requests.
>>14526824
Not really. One million is nothing in the computing world, and one computer wouldn't be fast enough to send enough requests to cause more than a blip in the server load. That's why you need the extra D in DDoS.
>>14526346
>>14526679
Thanks, guys.
And I just started Ciel Nosurge, and found, after the intro, that her room has Christmas decorations.
>>14526881
Fucking hell Tsuchiya you think of everything.
>>14526881
You got a Santa costume (moustache and all) if you played on the 24th. One day too late, good luck next year.
>>14526917
I wish the Santa costume had less material, if you know what I mean.
have you greet your Ion a merry christmas /jp/?
Plachta is in the Christmas mood.
>>14527791
Was 308 yen worth it?
>>14525514
If you do, you might want to print a few extra sets and put it up on sale somewhere discreet and I might buy it.
>>14527819
Not my screenshot.
So what's supposed to happen on Christmas??
Got Ar No Surge from the PSN sale, trying to find the Ciel nosurge story synopsis before I actually play it, the ar tonelico wiki seems to have an incomplete telling of it so I'm not sure where to look.
>>14528206
Other than a few daily bits of art? Absolutely nothing it seems but maybe it has something to do with the new years thing in a few days?
>>14528589
Take a look at http://www.unit03.net/view/Ciel_nosurge/Summary
I thought there might have been a takedown, but apparently not.
Oh god
I made Flanmelt Magnet with Shurelia
How could these thing work anyway?
>>14531654
Looks sort of like a tuning fork, so I'd assume that you hit it and something happens. Maybe the sound produced by the tuning fork powers the magnet since songstone is supposed to produce energy from sound waves.
>>14531654
>How could these thing work anyway?
AT and Ar nosurge in a nutshell. I'm half-convinced the EXA_PICO universe is the alternate universe of the Atelier series where alchemy goes wrong.
BBQ Soda when?
>>14531858
Now say it with me.
Miniature Ar Tonelico power source.
Grathmelding is too OP, admin, pls fix.But then again, Croix created two of these with Synthesis too, which doesn't even have "Song Magic and tower thingies" as explanation, so maybe it's just not actually that hard to create miniature Ar Tonelico-level power source.
>>14531879
Grathmelding is actually powered by Song Magic, so it's likely that the miniature Ar Tonelico's are actually powered by the real Ar Tonelico, which is powered by the Orgel of Origins,which is powered by the world from Ar nosurge, which is powered by our world, from players sending energy via the micro quasar.
Metalfalss, Sol=Marta is a satellite tower for Ar Tonelico, so it's possible that they use some kind of variant of Grathmelding. Sol=Marta is also powered by Ar Tonelico, which is why Metafalss was collapsing when you start playing AT2:Remember SUSPEND from AT1? That also shut of the power that was being sent to Sol=Marta to keep Metafalss floating.
>Played Ciel up to chapter 5
>Still only 1 date location
>Still stuck on the counter
I'm doing something wrong aren't I?
>>14532270
Do you make sure to see Nelico's visits when Ion is out collecting materials? You you talk to Ion regularly? Add to the Quaser every day?
>>14531903
>Grathmelding is actually powered by Song Magic, so it's likely that the miniature Ar Tonelico's are actually powered by the real Ar Tonelico, which is powered by the Orgel of Origins,which is powered by the world from Ar nosurge, which is powered by our world, from players sending energy via the micro quasar.
Huh, well, they do say "There's no problem in computer science that can't be solved by applying another level of indirection", and towers do work off computer science heavily.
Also, are they? I thought the properties the item get were permanent and only dependent on direct involvement of the Tower for creation, but maybe not. Don't think anybody talked about it in the game. I just remember Grathmelding being an artificial system made byShureliaspecifically to substitute Wave Science for the population; it's basically kinda like cracking chemistry so hard you end up creating workable alchemy from it, I think.
Also, I think, "Song Magic" is only when Reyvateils specifically sing. I think, it's "Wave Science" otherwise. Might be wrong.
>Metalfalss, Sol=Marta is a satellite tower for Ar Tonelico, so it's possible that they use some kind of variant of Grathmelding.
Remember reading on the wiki that Grathmelding works only on Sol Ciel, and I think, the wiki is actually rather well kept.
In any case, it wouldn't make sense that Metafallsians don't use Grathmelding during AT2 if this was the case. Unless Synthesis is secretly Grathmelding too, somehow.
>Sol=Marta is also powered by Ar Tonelico, which is why Metafalss was collapsing when you start playing AT2:Remember SUSPEND from AT1? That also shut of the power that was being sent to Sol=Marta to keep Metafalss floating.
Knew that. Wonder ifShureliaknew exactly what she was doing when she sang the song. If she knew, that was a major bitch move on her part, really. Sure,Miris dangerous, really dangerous at that point in the game, butentire Metafalls plummeting into the Sea of Death as sacrifice for your tower remaining calm? It's beyond radical measures. And if she didn't know, then that would be kinda weird, since it's a pretty major thing that she should have been told about.
>>14532332
Song Magic probably isn't the right term. Grathmelding is definitely powered by Symphonic Power via Ar Tonelico though.
From the Toukousphere:
Grathmeld was a system Sis (Shurelia) designed, right? That system only has a range that covers the entire Wings of Horus plus a little of the areas around them, so it isn't used in Metafalss. The concept of Grathmeld is "By mixing in Grathnode Crystals on manufactured items, the Silver Horn can recognize the natural laws of the crystals, making it is possible to give them effects corresponding to their materials". Therefore, the Grathnode Crytsals work as barcodes, which ask the Silver Horn "Please, give this material this power!"
The synthesis used in Metafalss can't add in special effects from external materials like Grathmeld can, so it's just normal manufacturing and cooking, and that's why it's called "Synthesis". Got it?
So no Grathmelding in Metalfalss.
>Wonder if Shurelia knew exactly what she was doing when she sang the song.
She gets lost in her own tower. Even if she is the administrator, she isn't a very good one.
>>14532332
>I thought the properties the item get were permanent and only dependent on direct involvement of the Tower for creation
Also from Toukousphere:
Lady Shurelia, the items made with Grathmelding can continue working even if they are taken to a place very far away from the Silver Horn?
And the effects these items have are endowed magic, the magic is used only during the creation of the item, or the items continue receiving a supply of magical effects from the Silver Horn after their creation...?
If it's the latter, wouldn't the long distance airships made from Grathmeld break apart in mid-air once they go beyond the effect area of the Silver Horn...? (doesn't laugh)
(Tram (former Croart))
It's true that the effects of Grathmelding can only manifest inside the effect area of the Silver Horn. It's basically the same as cellphone that loses signal strength the farther away it gets from a transmission antenna.
However, the Silver Horn has a very large effect area, which covers the entirety of the Wings of Horus, so there isn't any place in Sol Ciel where the effects of the items made with Grathmelding can't manifest.
However, if you went a great distance away from the Wings of Horus, its influence would weaken considerably.
Theoretically, a faint effect of the Silver Horn's power should remain active no matter how far away you take the item, but there is no doubt that in the case of items that require a great amount of power to work, such as airships, they would break up.
However, this is purely hypothetical, as there haven't been any people flying off to the outer world ever since the Third Era started.
>>14532407
>However, this is purely hypothetical, as there haven't been any people flying off to the outer world ever since the Third Era started.
What about Mir travelling to Metafalls?
>>14532284
>Do you make sure to see Nelico's visits when Ion is out collecting materials?
I see her sometimes. How do I make Nelico visit more often?
>You you talk to Ion regularly?
I'm not sure how regular I should be. Each time she changes her activity, I poke her a few times.
>Add to the Quaser every day?
I have over 250k on the Quasar now.
>>14532412
I believe she used Jakuri? Plus, you can always use non-Grathmelded airships, like the ships in AT2 or AT3.
>>14532415
>How do I make Nelico visit more often?
Send Ion out on requests, then forward the time to around 5~ or so minutes until she gets back and leave the vita sitting until Nelico comes (I think this should get her to come).
You need to leave a couple of days between each visit though. If it has been 3 or 4 days and Nelico still doesn't come for a visit then you would be missing some sort of trigger.
I didn't know this until much later, so I had a long break of not progressing the story around chapter 10 while I was triggering Nelico events (and doing all dates etc in preparation for marriage).
>>14532401
>She gets lost in her own tower. Even if she is the administrator, she isn't a very good one.
Actually, I think she's pretty decent comparatively.
"Getting lost in her own tower" is just a result of a bug, so it's not like it's something she can actually change about herself, especially considering she basically has an unchanging personality.
But throughout history of Sol Ciel, she was always there for her subjects, and whenever stuff went bad, she was in the front rows fixing it and making all kinds of decisions about how she should act to preserve the tower. Sometimes her decisions might have been stupid or harmful in long-term, but everybody makes these from time to time, and it's not like she stuck to them when proven they didn't work. Her overall involvement was more positive, I think.
Compare that to Metafalls, where Frelia, even if it wasn't entirely her fault, basically created Metafalls and then did basically nothing until AT2 and just a few things in AT2 too. Hell, things got so bad in her absence Jakuri was absolutely sure the Goddess of Metafalls actively hates all of her subjects. Sure, Frelia was asleep for most of that time, I think, but as the result all the problems of Metafalls basically split between people helping themselves, who basically did most of the legwork but screwed up quite a lot in the process because of having to act with incomplete information, and her servants, who somehow screwed up even more, casually greenlighting Hibernation, trying to kill a Maiden at the exact worst time for it and allowing usurpation to happen, all without even once calling for Frelia's opinion. I like Frelia, but it's really hard to screw up the whole Administrator job as hard as she did.
AT3 I did not play yet, so not sure if Tyria is more competent than Shurelia. Kinda doubt it.
Actually, now that we talk about it, what is the exact timeline of Frelia's power naps and kidnappings? I'm not even sure. I'm kinda confused on that.
>>14532437
You can check the wiki for a comprehensive summary, but IIRC Frelia was there originally to create the second tower, but her dance was interrupted due to the Grathnode Inferia so the tower was never completed. Frelia more or less cold slept all the way until AT2 since she was bored of being unable to complete her purpose of completing the tower.
>>14532463
The wiki says she told Raki "to not wake her up until they could return to land or continue creating the tower".
I wonder why Raki never woke her up, and wasn't there a perfectly functioning staircase even then, not hidden by Infel yet? And didn't "Jaza" basically go back to the land when she decided she needed to, without problems? And how did the Maidens get her HD Cellophane, unless it was already on Metafalls from the very beginning, even when she sang to create the tower? If not, they would've needed to take it off her, which would be hard without waking her up.
Why were they trapped on Sol Marta in the first place?
Hell, even if we assume they only became untrapped during the revolution of Infel, which would be really weird, why didn't Raki wake her up then to ask her what should they do about it?
It's really confusing. If she wasn't trapped, then going to sleep in the first place was kinda irresponsible, considering how important she is. If she was trapped, she really should have been woken up a lot sooner than AT2. I'm confused.
Maybe the staircase was invisible when she created the tower too? But that would be weird. Why would she create it and then afterwards make it immediately invisible, when she could've used it?
I'm trying to understand it, but her actions and actions of her servants throughout AT2 always seemed really confusing to me. I don't really get why they did half the things he did.
Hell, why did Shun try to kill Cloche in his very first scene, for that matter? What was his problem? Did she think Maidens of Mio were just generally bad news and didn't consider that they were created for a reason? Did he basically take "declaration of war" as "I'm a soldier, I should kill an enemy general and get a medal for it, no need to talk with Frelia about what she thinks or explain to anybody why the Goddess is important"? Did he basically even keep up with Infel's research at all, how much did he even understand about what Hibernation is and why it was greenlighted and Metafallica dropped?
This all is really confusing.
Bravo, GUST.
Sophie got a Plachta for Christmas!
I sort of forgot about it, but when listening to EXEC_CHRONICLE_KEY/.#Lyune extracting I realized how much shit Mir went through.
When she created EXEC_HARMONIOUS/. she must have been one of most kind-hearted characters in the series, and yet she ended up as one of the most destructive and cynical. Does anyone know what experiments exactly the researchers did on her?
>>14532423
How about date spots? I'm always going to the beach, because it's the only option available. She's bored of it and I am too.
Do I have to craft certain things before I trigger other date spots?
>>14535338
1. Unlock first card.
2. Send power to micro quasar.
2.5. Microquasar will say "date card" in the rewards so you know when you're unlocking them.
3. Nelico visit while Ion is away.
3.5. You might have to do this a lot of times until she gets through all of her triggered conversations if you haven't been talking with her often.
4. Profit!
This is the Offline version though.
>>14534523
Noice.
>>14535438
>Recently try playing Atelier Marie
>At first thought she would wear the orange outfit in the game, disappointed when it was blue instead, seemed like a cooler outfit
>Now I wonder how much it was affected by the best girl wearing it in AT1
Also, when I first played AT1, I didn't know about Atelier series, so this whole additional Cosmosphere layer was just really confusing to me. Wonder how much in-jokes did I exactly miss here.
>>14535405
Thanks. I have nearly 300k at the quasar now. Might have to send Ion out a lot.
Nelico shows up and talks about a lot of rubbish though. "Do you like me" "Do you like Nay" "Do you want to know more about Ion? Nope can't tell you"
Shut up, Nelico, and give me the date spots.She's hot, though. Dat ass.
Anybody from /jp/ going to Comiket for Gust merchandise?
There is a local dealer selling the Limited edition of Ar tonelico 3 without the game. Should i take the plunge?
>>14540070
Without the game? So, essentially just the art book and the sound track selections. I wouldn't pay more than $10 for that, and I like having Gust sound track CDs to use as background music. If you are a collector who already has the game it might be worth a bit more. The best parts of the Ar Tonelico series, the songs, other than the opening song, don't appear on the sound track CDs.
>>14540070
I'd go for it if the box and contents are in good shape. Easy enough to just put your current copy into the LE box.
