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General info, essentials and download links in the Miku Monday copypasta:
http://pastebin.com/PB3dTd4Q
Crossfades google drive:
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B6drFCl6uqFyfkhZcHJxN1F3RHZFajlkaVRfU05PdmJ0aWduTnpud3dqN3gxNUtFT3pMeUk&usp=sharing
If you're looking for a specific song or album, try searching on vocadb.net (for reference) or mikudb.moe (for downloads)
Project Diva Arcade FT has been released for PS4!!! A helpful anon in a previous thread compiled a guide on setting up a Japanese PSN account and getting the game:
http://pastebin.com/BsD5G6Ey
Miku is a miracle of the universe.
Finally
>>15474405
I wonder why they stopped commissioning KEI for official artwork other than the PD games.
>>15474405
Looks too much like a generic LN design.
>>15474425
I always figured it was because his art is atrocious.
>>15474450
but it was recognizable which is something you need if you wanna stand out, even if it's for the wrong reasons. Kinda lost his uniqueness as time went by though, got a lot more moe.
>>15474450
Shit opinion
He has the best coloring style I've seen. He could have done a really good watercolor Miku V4 if he wanted to. I think they stuck with ixima since he already did the other Crypton vocaloid boxart more recently.
>>15474405
Where is her hair going? At this rate Miku v5 will have 1 strand of hair for each tail.
>>15474467
eh... it doesn't really make sense for her hair to get more volume as it goes down.
If you really think about it all the changes done are mainly to make it easier on cosplayers and 3d modelers, her hairbands aren't ambiguous anymore, no more open sleeves, hair is consistent.
All the changes make sense but now she's just your regular animu
>>15474405
i am not a huge fan of the look desu
>>15474458
KEI art cannot get more moe than it already is
>>15474405
I want to plug my MIDI devices into Hatsune Miku!
>>15474466
>He has the best coloring style I've seen
Holy shit.
Well, I guess statistically, someone with that opinion had to exist somewhere.
>>15474405
She looks so this. Really, her hair, arms and all looks so dried and fragile that I would be afraid I break her if I touched her.
And the hairbands and sleeves are shit.
V3 was the best design.
>>15474403
Miku is the cutest of all fictional and real girls.
>>15474466
I never liked KEI as well. iXima makes Miku look much more cute, professional and perfect.
>it's an "I like iXima" episode
>>15474576
I don't even particularly like ixima. It's just infinitely easier to look at their art as opposed to Kei's, which literally hurts to look at. I'll take bland animu over eyesore anyday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEusoT1EGnY
Arcade MV for Riria
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSdPFm27D3g
Taion
>>15474613
>those dance moves on both MVs
they were definitely made for Nendos, whatever the case might be I'm glad we're getting Taion for FT eventually
>>15474576
is that art for a mobile game?
>>15474752
i can tell you the name of exactly one of those characters
>>15474754
poor yukari, how did she hurt her spine?
>>15474780
Who's the tall purple girl?
>>15475259
That's Gakupo, who is a man. He and Len have similar outfits and don't have any attire that indicates that's a girl
>>15474576
I like Ixima's Len. He makes Len's hair look slightly less ridiculous.
>>15474211
why the twin drill? she tryin to immitate our aria Teto?
>>15474405
SOMEONE FEED THE TWINTAILS THEY LOOK ANOREXIC
>>15475696
Anorexic twintails are in though.
>>15475714
AND
THEY
ARE
SHIT
>>15474405
Do her other models have plugs in the skirt?
>>15474780
Yukari!
And that chick from Senran with the power fists
>>15475042
The cute broke it.
I wish the PV cameraman wasn't such a perv. There's no reason for so much time being spent on tight shots of chests and butts. I just want to see cute girls dancing.
>>15475819
He's been with the company for years sure he's a bit of a perv but his work speaks for itself when he takes it seriously.
>>15475833
Then why do some of the PVs look like they were made in Garry's Mod?
>>15475837
The loids stole the camera and shot it on their own
>>15475856
>technology will eventually produce AI that can write songs and use video editing software
It never occurred to me before that we will soon be living in an age of completely SELF SUSTAINING vocaloids.
They'll fuckin outlive us all.
>>15474405
Who thought it was a good idea to get rid of the baggy sleeves and the Tripp strap?
>>15474466
show us what you think is good art anon
no really I am genuinely curious
>>15476076
common sense
>>15476144
Common sense doesn't make things uglier
>>15476076
i personally feel it was a shit choice.
that other anon thinks that it is to appease cosplayers, which makes sense... but i still don't agree with it being a good decision.
>>15476164
>appease cosplayers
>leave in the physically impossible hair bands, detached sleeves, and thigh high leather boots
>>15476175
it's a solid theory.
compare >>15474567 to >>15474567
the hairbands are most certainly the hardest part. in the new version, you can see the point where they actually make physical contact
there is no point in mentioning the sleeves. people where those things all the time, even if they aren't cosplaying.
>>15476278
>in the new version, you can see the point where they actually make physical contact
I hadn't even noticed that. It looks fucking retarded.
>>15475259
>>15475384
newfags need to go away, or at the very least try to learn more about vocaloid. Secret Police? Gakupo voiced by Gackt?
This isn't funny anymore, your ignorance is just sad.
Imagine poor Miku-san spending years perfecting this new outfit and then when she finally shows it off, people just rag on her. So mean.
>>15476474
Autism
>>15476521
It's basic knowledge
Now if I was ragging on them because they didn't know who Vocaloid #54 was or if they didn't know about english vocaloids then yeah I can see how that's autism.
Gakupo and Secret Police were pretty well known in 2009-2010. Those anon not knowing those characters and references just shows how new they are. If I wanted to interact with newfags I'd go to Facebook.
>>15476536
Gakupo is about as who-tier as it gets. He's like a less popular Kaito and that's saying something.
>>15476547
He's who-tier now but he wasn't in 2009-2010. (And for a brief amount of time some producers used him when he got his V3 upgrade)
I know he's not popular but it's hard to not know who he is. You'd have to be purposefully ignorant, it's the equivalent of ignoring Kaito and Meiko. He was in the latest Nico Nico concert and his voice provider is well known within whatever genres he does.
He's a has been, but the fact that there are people who don't know much from 2009-2010 (one of the peak times) is just pitiful.
>>15476474
nonsense. new people are needed in order for vocaloid not to die.
>>15476536
You seriously can't tell those posts were ironic?
>>15474211
Anyone knows a baidu link to Project DIVA Arcade's ripped videos?
>>15476680
Considering the last couple of threads, these idiots seem to be blending in with anons who can't use irony properly.
>>15476695
Yup. Poe's law at its finest.
>>15476680
>hurr durr I was only pretending to be retarded
>>15476517
I would let Miku cry in my arms after people have been mean to her.
>tfw I want to make good migu music but I'm not depressed and I had a average upbringing
>>15477683
>but I'm not depressed and I had a average upbringing
it's called dance music, faggot.
>>15477705
dance vocaloid songs are the worst songs
>>15477718
We finally found the man with literally the worst opinion.
>>15477705
I said good music ;^)
>>15477731
genre not made for vocals
>>15477683
Just do it the old fashioned way and get high
>>15477718
>>15477735
>>15477740
This has to be the work of some sort of miscommunication. I don't know what constitutes "dance music" where you're from, but as for what we call dance music here, there's no way someone who likes vocaloid could dislike it.
>164
>40mP
How I am supposed to pronounce their names?
>>15477853
sixteen four
and
four zero megapixle
>>15477861
No, I mean, seriously.
>>15477853
ひろし
よんじゅうめーとるぴー
The real question is why would you ever have to pronounce their names?
>>15477879
i just say "one-sixty-four" and "forty-m-p". i wouldn't be surprised if i am wrong about one or both though.
i have never said either out loud though. when i went to miku expo, that was the first time i ever even said "hatsune miku" out loud to someone.
>>15477853
>>15477879
I pronounce them "one-sixty four" and "forty meter P"
Post your Vocaloid creations!
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1onOfpt6ciC
This is the first Vocaloid track I ever made.
Not sure why I got those few seconds of silence when exporting :/
>>15474405
I mean she's still Miku which means she's still gorgeous but I'm not a fan of this one.
>>15474405
What are the skirt ports for?
>>15478287
headphones, duh
>>15478295
only one (or some) are for headphones
>>15478354
the 3 in the middle are for tuchel connectors
>>15474405
I feel like this is the most generic she's ever looked.
>>15478374
not the ones I labeled MIDI, but the ones above those? i am 100 percent certain that those are MIDI ports.
Post loids in casual wear
>>15478506
>Post loids in casual wear
>>15478595
I hope her back is alright
>>15478595
>>15478650
>>15478646
>I hope her back is alright
Dunno bout her back but my pants are tight.
>>15478656
>>15478663
IA BOOTY!
Any good eng UTAU?
I don't want to blow my load on a vocaloid until i have a moderate understanding of what I'm doing
>>15478354
Am I the only one who thinks the placement of the connector ports there is absolutely stupid? The best place to put them would be on the sides of her head, just behind her ears, so the wiring could be made to look seamlessly like part of her headset or her hair.
Can Crypton really not find a robotocist in fucking Japan of all places to consult before they draw up designs for her?
>>15478506
>>15479271
>I don't want to blow my load on a vocaloid...
*snicker*
>>15479520
Oh wow
>>15477919
Thanks, mate.
>The real question is why would you ever have to pronounce their names?
I have this weird delusion that one day I'll find people to talk about vocaloid in real life.
Also, I understand Yonjuu metoru P, but how you go from 164 to Hiroshi? I guess Hi comes from Hyaku and Ro comes from Rokku, but I can't figure out this Shi.
>>15479919
1=hi
6=ro
4=shi
I don't understand how this is complicated.
>decide to do something productive for once and learn to make music
>start reading about music theory
>mfw I have no idea what I'm reading
Well I tried.
>>15479941
>making music being productive
Try getting into machining.
>>15479919
The first syllable of each number. Hitotsu shortened to hi, roku to ro, shi to... shi.
It's the same way 39 means Miku or 765 means Namco (nanatsu mutsu go).
What is Miku like when there aren't any camera's around?
>>15477787
dance music is a broad term man you gotta be more specific.
>>15480285
>dance music is a broad term
That's the fucking point. Which is why I'm in disbelief that someone could dislike dance music.
>>15480282
She spends her free time running her Rinchan blog
I love Luka.
Give all Luka.
>>15480342
luka is old
OLD
>>15480342
>Give all Luka.
>>15480378
>4chan on computer
>actually posting on 4chan
:^)
>>15480377
She's like what 6 or 7?
She's got a lot left in the tank.
>>15480377
>luka is old
>OLD
WHAT?! How DARE you?!
>>15479939
Ok, I just discovered that 4 can be both yon and shi. Sorry for being an illiterate. I should put more effort into googling before asking stupid questions.
>>15480101
I see now. Thanks for the kind explanation.
>>15480282
Like this.
Me on the right.
>>15480378
Luka is gangsta!
>>15480342
Luka butt
>>15480533
>Luka is gangsta!
Only when provoked.
>>15480548
Oh man that's one juicy ass.
>>15480342
Luka is honestly what got me into vocaloid. I got into Miku and the others later on.
>mfw nobaravocaloid
Quick, post the last Vocaloid song you listened to. I'll start
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mpZjNCNiEg
>>15480915
>Quick, post the last Vocaloid song you listened to.
Hachioji P's Secret Girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUQCQUmoWPE
>>15480915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsiMx8D45ZM
>>15480915
Sequence Life by tom_atom
https://tomatom1.bandcamp.com/album/sequence-life
not vocaloid but eh whatever fuck you
>>15480915
https://youtu.be/Fq1vVwI86QI
>>15480915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHYGSniK-BU
>>15480915
https://youtu.be/-iFEKeULaIo
GYARI is a Vocajazz god.
Fact: Len has the 3rd best Vocaloid butt
>>15480915
I'm just completely in love with these rolling r's. It's so good.
anyone wanna make a doujin group?
>>15480915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVk2PKXOm6A
Nico Nico concert made me look it up.
>>15475722
Dubs for truth
So MikuDB got hacked and lost half of their catalog? That sucks :(
There was a Miku cosplayer in my city's Canada Day parade. That was pretty unexpected.
>>15481030
pure bliss
>>15481596
Must be those new pirate hunters I've been hearing about.
>>15481723
Did you put a ring on it?
>>15481723
Did you put your dick in it?
>>15481723
did you tell her how gross her wig was?
>>15480527
You're a tree?
Is it possible to re-download Future Tone on a different PS4 if I sign in with the Japanese account?
>>15481723
Did she sing a song?
>>15482056
https://youtu.be/8dGeAlg_wyg
>>15482053
I can only assume so. That is how digital purchases usually work.
>>15482053
Like a friend's PS4? Since yours is set as the primary system, they could only play it on their system when you're not online, otherwise they'll get booted. If they try to play it with another account on their system, they can't.
>>15481931
>>15481997
>>15482009She had a kid
>>15482271
>>15482350
Figured it out. Just had to sign in with the correct account.
Sorry for the alarm.
http://postgazer.tumblr.com/
New mikugazer album! Coming out this vomas! Hype!!
>>15482387
nice, i was just wondering if they would make another of these
>>15482387
is this only the second one to be released?
this being the first:
http://vocadb.net/Al/1340
>>15482432
>>15482463
I'm not even sure this is connected in any way to mikgazer vol. 1, although the spelling of 'mikgazer' makes me wonder. I'm honestly just happy for another shoegazer album period.
>>15480915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H5TvPQOn74
>>15480915
Just finished playing project mirai for the day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBNL-nGswJc
>>15482387
Aw yes, finally.
>>15480915
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-3n2Fuadqs
Been playing lots of IA/VT lately.
>>15482387
MUH
MUH
What does it take for a literally wholoid to get popular?
>>15482982
From what I can tell, you have to start with a modicum of popularity first, and then you need persistence. Ps that love and are dedicated to it, using it over more popular loids, and a design that grabs fanartists so there's lots of fanart. A company that supports it, even making merch for it even if in limited quantities.
Eventually, with enough persistence, even Yukari can be considered one of the top loids.
Wait, what were we talking about again?
>>15482982
memes
see >>15483004
>>15482982
A unique, simple and attractive design is one of the main points I see many of these new wholoids fail at.
If we take Yukari as an example, she fits perfectly with the other already existing Vocaloids : purple hair, has an animal trait (w/e you want to call it), cute, can be sexualized, mix of simple every day clothes with a little few accessories added. Here you already have a good contender, and she proved it since Yukari has been one of the most popular and liked Vocaloids for a little while now. Of course the voice matters, but it's a given so I won't go too deep on this. Same goes for a solid compilation, or at the very least a few solid songs at launch.
The wholoid you posted (flower, google tells me) already has too many red flags to even hope to become as successful as Yukari is now. The design is overdone, it's kinda of an eyesore to look at and it panders to fujoshits; with just this you're already losing the attention of many.
Pick flower and Yukari : which do you think artists will want to draw a fan arts for? Yukari takes the cake of course, I shouldn't explain why.
>>15483069
To add on to this post, just because a vocaloid is popular with the western fanbase doesn't guarantee popularity everywhere else. (Or else popular with the chinese fanbase, etc.)
I see lots of tumblrites praising flower as the greatest existence ever and yet outside of the Yamaha albums released, there's very few original songs made for her. Besides the crappy fanart littering tumblr once in a while and occasional youtube cover, there isn't one "defining" fanart or song for flower. Therefore, she's unpopular and who-tier.
>>15482982
It has to have mass appeal yet stand out.
Miku's design is centered around her being a software, she's not wearing any genre-centric clothing and her voice was very unique as the VA was faking the voice instead of using her natural voice.
Things were simpler back then, vocaloids were promoted as being little more than synthesizers but now companies are very focused on profiting from every little thing produced with their vocaloids, even going so far as saying the voice bank can't be used for profit.
Also the saturation of the market both in vocaloids and songs was pretty much what killed vocaloid, it's hard for any vocaloid to get popular or to produce a successful song without being an already established producer.
>>15483090
Have to disagree about the defining song for flower part: the one koyori/denpolP did was pretty boss, and has hundreds of thousands of views on nicodou. It's pretty much "the" flower song. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24237168
Still, one hit does not a popular 'loid make. You gotta run with the momentum. And since no one noteworthy picked up flower aside from the people yamaha commissioned...
Also the V3 flower design was clearly a girl as opposed to the trap V4 design. Something something flowers something something both girl and boy parts something something different designs. Still a girl though.
I think the problem with flower is her voice isn't flexible at all. When it fits, she's great-- but try using her for like, technopop. Honestly I'm impressed at the fact that she gained any traction at all (and she did, at least a little, at least at the beginning). ZOLA got a yamaha compilation too and still no one cared.
>>15483374
>It's pretty much "the" flower song. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24237168
this one has more views http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm23348919
>>15483411
I'm not even going to that link and I know you're talking about haniwa. Well FUCK haniwa, they're fucking awful, and no one gives a shit about the vocaloids they use anyway, they're only popular for their manga videos rather than their shit music.
>>15482387
holy fuck im hype
>>15482477
I spoke to wintermute on this matter, and he told me that the people who worked on Mikgazer Vol.1 most likely have nothing to do with postgazer. Below is what he told me:
>postgazerは参加してない。mikgazerとは違う人たちがやってるよ。
>>15482982
Being the main singer of a project that spins off into LNs/manga/anime is a good start
IA IA is learning engrish now apparently
http://www.vocaloidnews.net/ia-party-go-go-concert-china-ia-english/
>>15483460
Haniwa = HoneyWorks? If yes, they're two of the most popular producers of at last few years. Their manga videos certainly are an important factor for their big popularity, but they also have great songs, including >>15483411.
>>15484124
Look. I don't use the word 'hate' lightly. But I fucking HATE haniwa's music. It's awful, I loathe it.
The point though, aside from I fucking hate haniwa, is that less people remember flower -for- the haniwa song than the koyori song. Also haniwa is terrible and they suck.
How does a fully dressed Vocaloid exude so much sexual energy?!
Why are anokano less popular than that faggot len?
>>15483781
Ask him when vol. 2 is coming out
>>15484230
I mean Jesus Christ man, look at her!
>>15484228
> less people remember flower -for- the haniwa song than the koyori song.
I don't see any logical reason to draw this conclusion.
>>15484236
They aren't as cute
>>15484243
>>15484274
>>15484276
Damndest thing is that I'm not even into flat broads, too, hell this pic has her holding that weapon and still looking rather titillating.
>>15484293
>>15484228
>less people remember flower -for- the haniwa song than the koyori song.
nice opinion you have there, faggot
>Inokori sensei was literally flower's first song
>It reveled her character design
>and has over 5 million views on YT
>but somehow people remember flower more for a video that has less than 700000 views on nico, was released 4 months later and has a picture of a pole
>>15484230
>How does a fully dressed Vocaloid exude so much sexual energy?!
I feel the same anon. Her thighs are just pure love.
>>15484518
>>15484518
我慢してよね~
|ω･`)
>>15474405
>generic slut #203598
>>15474405
At this point she is a skellington, just call Raita ffs.
>>15474405
Does anyone know what the Elevens think about this? Curious what their thoughts are on the hair.
>>15484236
See >>15484264
Also Len's voice is actually great and very flexible, and he fills another voice niche while Anon Kanon are more of the same qt grill vocals.
>>15484230
I've been listening to a lot of Yukari lately. I'm surprised with myself that I've put it off this long because I really dig her.
vocaloid is kill
>>15484757
It's been kill since 2013. We're just feasting on its bloated corpse. It smells sickeningly sweet, like rotting lemons.
>>15484828
whats with the vocaloids are dying meme? wasn't this years miku expo the biggest it has ever been?
>>15485290
Yes. Vocaloid has been dying since 2007 though didn't you know?
>>15485290
The sky is falling and vocaloid is dying and the rivers are red with blood.
yukari has a pretty strong dedicated following. This has historically been better than a lot of casual followers since you actually need songs being made to have any sticking power. Also, she sounds good as a voiceroid with minimal tuning, which adds to her versatility.
>>15484531
LEWD
>>15484860
>>15485323
You forgot to add that she's also cute!
She's the lewdest vocaloid.
engloids > japloids
>>15485290
I think it stems from the consumerist market thriving but the community itself becoming stagnant and beginning to deteriorate. The music in the games and concerts are almost entirely older songs, many of the producers considered to be iconic don't produce vocaloid songs as often, or at all in some cases. The community has to be self sufficient in order to for vocaloid to survive and newer content producers aren't getting the recognition they deserve, and will eventually get tired of living in the shadows of the '07-'10 producers. Take Miku Expo for example. How many songs played were made within the last 5 years? How many of the producers are even still active anymore? How long will people continue to pay to listen to songs from the now 7 year old album Supercell?
Does anyone happen to have the karaoke version of Honeyworks' さよなら両片想? The link for it in the official video doesn't work anymore.
I really don't like the vocals for this song, but I'm still deciding whether the instrumental is worth keeping, at least.
>>15485390
There are plenty of good new songs being released, it's crypton's fault for only playing old songs at miku expo.
>>15485487
Or is it the community's fault for liking the old songs more? Don't you think CFM is only playing what the people want to hear?
>>15485566
And how Crypton knows what the people want to hear? There are some recent hits which receive way more views monthly than some old songs that Crypton always plays.
>>15485583
I imagine they probably look more at KARENT numbers more than YouTube. They understand more than we could possibly know about what is and isn't popular.
Whenever I hear a good Luka song, I can't help but think how much better it would sound with Miku instead.
>>15485736
But then Luka Luka Night Fever wouldn't make any sense.
>>15485736
I'm the exact opposite sometimes.
That concert performance of love trial with Luka in the NND concert was really good.
>>15485787
It'd be yuri baity as fuck
Does anyone have Pathos by Yunosuke? It's not on mikudb.
>>15485736
When I hear a good Luka song I think it's a good Luka song.
>>15484733
I don't know what it is but roughly 70% of the time I can't stand lens voice, same thing with meiko.
>>15485872
http://www.9tensu.com/2016/05/pathos.html
>>15486041
Thanks, pal.
>>15485736
Whenever I hear a good Miku song, I can't help but think how much better it would sound with IA instead.
>>15486111
IA's the second best vocaloid and the only one who can be compared to Miku.
>>15485736
>Whenever I hear a good Luka song, I can't help but think how much better it would sound with Miku instead.
>>15486138
Yukari is second best. IA can be third though.
>>15486138
>Who is Gumi
>>15486156
>>15486180
Don't make me choose!
>>15486155
>playing with action figmas
lukafags, everyone.
>>15484661
The general public is probably more keen on this one. Dunno about the fans though.
>>15486180
A trash vocaloid who only has 1 good song (and it's a duet).
>>15486190
>>15486111
What does IA sound like again? I forget
>>15486194
t. someone who only listens to cfm
>>15486213
>What does IA sound like again? I forget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=518rZ7HT4Lk
>>15485736
>>15486138
>>15486194
Why are people still responding to this bait
>>15486004
I can't stand his awful Act 1 and 2 personally, but a well tuned song with Len Append or V4 sounds great IMO.
So is there anything else to do in PD:FT besides the songs?
PD and PM usually have extra stuff
>>15486295
I think extra stuff isn't really needed considering the amount of songs available
Share your favorite module combos
>>15486295
>is there anything to do in a rhythm game because play song charts?
>>15486305
>>15486441
I'm not asking for there to be more because I don't think all those songs are enough.
I'm just wondering if there's anything extra that I might be missing out on because I can't read moon, because every PD and PM so far has had a PV editor, being able to pose your character and take pictures, decorate your room, stuff like that.
If FT doesn't have it that's fine, but if it does I just wanted to know about it.
>>15486473
FT is in a different league because it's technically a port of the arcade version of the game, but with songs from the other games. But mechanically and feature wise, it is the arcade game. Since the arcade doesn't have diva rooms, FT doesn't either. I'm sure X 2nd will bring all that stuff back as well as use the console game mechanics, like longs, doubles, tech zones, etc
>>15486402
That Rin combo does things to me.
>>15486495
the fact that she's the only one wearing a headset triggers my autism
>>15486402
When will crypton update the models to look like they weren't made 9 years ago. Why can't they make detailed models like the fan-made TDA.
>>15486508
Head sets should removable on hair styles
>>15484531
What is she working so late? The streets?
>>15486555
The majority of the time when they look bad in FT it's because the PV is old and the lighting is shit, they all look good in stuff like weekender girl.
>>15486473
No and it will probably never happen for FT. I won't be suprised if they put out another dlc pack in several months though.
>>15486608
Nah dude he's right, the models are like retextured PSVITA models.
>>15486608
>The majority of the time when they look bad in FT it's because the PV is old and the lighting is shit, they all look good in stuff like weekender girl.
Popipo is the biggest offender of them not updating the dynamic lighting
>>15486609
No, I believe they have a higher polygon count and a different, more realistic physics/lighting engine.
The uncanniness of their face comes from the fact that they're adhering as much as possible to KEI's original illustrations, which works better flat.
>>15486636
It's precisely because of the polygons that they look bad. They're relatively low quality models. It's fine but they could've been much better.
>>15486680
I think they've improved a lot since Dreamy Theater, I'd take the arcade modules over the F modules any day.
>>15486709
The model makes her look like she has fetal alcohol syndrom or something. It sucks because there are so many great 3d models of different characters from other games/fan made. The tech is there, crypton just needs to use it.
>>15486746
>The model makes her look like she has fetal alcohol syndrom or something
That's mainly because translating a 2D image into 3D is a big challenge, they are not fan-artists, SEGA can't take drastic creative liberties to make her look better because Crypton has an IP to protect.
>>15486746
Well that's more to do with art direction than model quality. FT has a different art style than the console games. Look at X models.
>>15486709
Well yeah they look better but up close it looks more like late cycle ps3 than what mid cycle ps4 should. The complete lack of shading on the skin tone makes them look like Barbie dolls. All I'm saying is, look at the theme with Marie Rose and Miku standing next to each other.
>>15486795
>translating a 2D image into 3D is a big challenge
Not really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3AyEe9Ka7s
This is just one example of a 3d model that is way better than the crypton models. Also TDA miku isn't far off the V4 artwork. It can be done.
>>15486810
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3AyEe9Ka7s
I'm pretty sure idolmaster's designs had a 3D look in mind from the beginning, they look good but like I said it's probably SEGA just trying to portray KEI's design as accurately as possible.
I don't think the TDA models are worth mentioning as they take so many creative liberties that they don't really fit with Crypton's vocaloid designs.
>All I'm saying is, look at the theme with Marie Rose and Miku standing next to each other.
The skin has shading, I think you mean the skin texture. I think they were just following the official Miku artwork, giving her a more realistic skin would really clash with her Anime look.
And yeah they do look like Barbie dolls but so do most anime characters, I think their bodies could be reworked as they look really off even for anime standards.
>>15486870
That second part was meant for >>15486799
>>15486870
>I don't think the TDA models are worth mentioning as they take so many creative liberties that they don't really fit with Crypton's vocaloid designs.
TDA miku looks more like miku's official art than the crypton models.
>>15486909
but the PD Miku 3D model is based on KEI's V2 illustration
The solution is to base the models off of ixima's art.
However, KEI came first so that is very unlikely to ever happen.
I think the models are fine I just wish they were higher quality. Like, look at this hair.
>>15486980
I think it's just really expensive to rework something to that degree specially when it's something most people don't really care about.
That's probably the reason as to why Arcade always gets outfits/songs last and why F/X have a simpler look that cuts development costs.
>>15487043
The models are really high quality though, the breaking you see in her hair is something that is bound to happen to anything rendered in real time in a non-super computer.
>>15487067
Dude what "breaking"? It's just poorly modeled. You can see each distinct polygon. It's not even a matter of it being flat and static, since it'd look weird to have hyper realistic hair on her anime face, but it could at least have more than like single digit polygons and like 4 bones in it. The only thing I can think of is that they get the physics engine to work with her super dynamic dance moves and gigantic hair. So they're forced to intentionally leave the hair set to "2011 mode"
>>15487137
>You can see each distinct polygon
That's because round surfaces are very taxing and won't be completely round in most cases, Miku's hair looks fine by real-time rendering standards.
>but it could at least have more than like single digit polygons and like 4 bones in it.
There's a reason why it has bones like that, look at pic related and you'll see that her pigtails also have a similar bone structure.
That all comes down to Collision Detection, in short the technology we have now isn't advanced enough to perfectly render Collision Detection in real-time, if those bones weren't there the pigtails would fly everywhere and would most likely clip like crazy, same with Marie Rose's hair.
That's the same reason as to why their hands never touch their bodies in any of the choreographies, clipping could be a become a big issue and would detract from the game's visual presentation.
