Will we finally see the end of the SAO clones?
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2016-06-30/short-story-contest-bans-traveling-to-an-alternate-world-fantasy/.103755
>One currently running Japanese short story contest, a collaboration between Bungaku Free Market and Shousetsuka ni Narou (...) has announced that it will not be accepting any submissions with plots about "traveling to alternate worlds" or "being reincarnated into other worlds."
>According to the contest website, any genre is allowed, including fantasy, horror, and drama, but only alternate worlds are banned.
>>15471958
Give it a year or 2
Good I´m sick of this shit.
I wouldn't want to read some sperg's fantasy about how he goes to a new world and bangs a horny tiger chick either.
>>15471958
>Alternate world comes to MC instead
Checkmate.
Narou banning isekai won't make the works any higher quality. Isekai is not an absolute requirement for many of the tropes that make works within the genre so terrible (lazy videogame mechanics, Gary Stu protagonists with cheat powers, haremshit, etc).
Actually, banning isekai will probably just bring back the magic highschool genre or perhaps boost the Attack on Titan clone genre.
Kek, so it got that bad heh.
How do you like your Isekino, /a/?
Do you like the protagonist to face legitimate challenges, or do you like the ones where he's overpowered to the point where the author just does whatever the fuck he feels like?
In the case of the latter, I'm enjoying Ore to Kawazu.
>A single short story contest
It's a start but given their popularity, this is not particularly damning evidence that the trend is coming to an end.
What's the next genre that's going to replace isekai?
whos ready for the i woke up with amnesia genre to boom? its not a new world.
>>15471965
I will never stop being amazed that there's still scanlation groups that think this looks presentable in any way.
>>15471966
It's a contest run by narou, the primary website where this genre gained its monstrous traction. So there's that.
>>15471958
>they submit reverse isekai plot instead
>>15471962
Devils a part timer is the new norm
>MC has always lived in the alternate world, but only memories about our world got transplanted into him
>>15471970
>the protagonist dies in a different world
What if, instead of going to a different world, the protagonist's existing world suddenly changes into a fantasy world?
jesus christ what a fucking cancerous thread
please delete this thread
where is the fucking moderation of this forgotten board?
>>15471974
There's a lot of potential in that, but you'd have to spend several volumes world building before starting with the actual story, or the whole thing is wasted.
>>15471972kumo did that already
>>15471967
>boom
More like a retro resurgence. Kind of like how Strike the Blood was a weird retro throwback to mid-00s urban fantasy series like Index and Shana and Fate/stay night.
>>15471973
>transported to our world, he goes on a journey to find gainful employment and promotions
Although this was already an anime.
>>15471958
What the mc goes back in time then comes back to the future and everything has changed? As long as he is not in an alternate timeline and in fact changed his own timeline; would that be ok?
>>15471980
Your suggestion is incompatible with your use of the word "timeline".
>>15471976
Exactly, you would need multiple mcs at that stage too.
The twist: every single submission is actually just discarded Kamachi product because none of the new generation of narou-raised writers knows how to write anything else and of the old generation only Kamachi shits out sufficiently large volumes of crap that he never bothers to get published.
>>15471965
I like it when the events, plot, and characters don't focus on wanking the MC. Even a legitimate challenge won't fix things if characters are all shits that are shown up by MC or exist to fellate the MC.
> Re Zero
> SAO clone
> Isekai
> SAO clones
> Isekai
> Sub-genre of fantasy
> SAO clone
> VRMMO
> Sci-fi=Fantasy
Why do I bother?
>>15471958
Wow its gotten this bad
>>15471985 (you)
>>15471981
What if mc just freezes him self in a cyrogenics pod and wakes up 100,000 years in a future were magic has been invented by scientists and crocodiles have evolved into dragons?
>>15471985
Lazy sci-fi IS just fantasy though.
>>15471988
>100,000 years
Way too far.
2050 is already crawling with elves and orcs and a dragon that is trying to become the president of America.
It never said to have a story about fantasy. As long as we have gems like these, I'm all up for it. I wonder if Nanasawa-san will enter.
>>15471985
Even mecha can be isekai.
>>15471988
Something similar to this?
>>15471988
What if MC is abducted by aliens to another planet within our universe that happens to be a fantasy planet? It's not another world, just another star system.
>>15471994
Then those aliens have a good excuse ready because he's going to be pissed!
>>15471991
is that translated yet? I feel like i've been waiting for something that is not going to happen.
>MC lives in fantasy world
>its actually deep future and all the magic is sufficiently advanced technology and monsters are failed genetic/nanotechnology experiments
I want generic fantasy anime that doesn't involve shitty neet MCs.
>>15471991
What is this about?
>>15471997
Sounds like it'll be universally liked. Will it have an English translation?
>>15471997
Kind of Utawarerumono but not really.
Do want, either way.
What about someone from another world traveling to ours?
>>15471993
>it's a super long title LN
Preemptively dropped.
>>15472002
Without papers, he would never get past the immigration office.
I'm really fucking tired of isekai.
Like I feel that Isekai is to the 10s what shitty VN adaptations were in the early-mid 00s. Just make it fucking stop already
>>15471987
> Not even doing it correctly.
(You).
>gate between modern and fantasy world opens
>it envelopes whole of both world, oppenning rifts all over the place
>fantasy world has magic and monsters that are capable to stand toe to toe with modern weapons
>chaos ensues
>10 years later, things have so-so stabilized in new world that has both modern technology and magic
I'm sure there must be something like this.
>>15471997
Is there a harem involved?
>>15472008
No. All girls MC meets either have boyfriends or are not interested in him.
But there is bromance with his best bro.
>>15471992
Mecha is a sub-genre of Sci-fi to begin with. And Muv-Luv was more Science Fantasy. How did you categorize mecha with isekai? What kind of idiot logic is that?
>>15472007
Kekkai sensen in a way.
I think they are putting the cart ahead of the horses. The problem is not that there is too much isekai, the problem is that the existing isekai is mostly garbage-tier quality writing.
I much prefer "isekai comes to real world" anwyay
Here's the thing
Isekai is not bad on it's own. The problem isn't the genre itself. I mean there are many classic anime that are isekai. The problem is that all the isekai have fucking harems in them. It's like they create this world and have potential and all that and it gets squandered because harem shenanigans and/or MC becomes OP as fuck. There is good isekai out there but not the garbage that gets popular or animated
>>15471999
>How long I’d been here, I couldn’t quite recall. From this sorry situation, I as always raised my eyes to the sky; a sky in which the great, massive sun was clad in levity. Sunlight poured gently upon all. What a blessing it would have been for the world if only the skies could remain clear. For tomorrow too, and for all days to come, I was to continue to pray for calm. To endure for those who cried, with desperation I remained in prayer.
>And then, one freezing, forlorn, soulless, stagnant, drizzly day we died. Or so I thought…
>>15472013
"Coming to america" the LN
Time to introduce the "magical world teleports itself around the MC" genre
>protagonist believes he's in the real world but it's actually just a disguise the machines pulled over his eyes
What about MC waking up in high school idol world?
>>15472019
moeshit is garbage
>>15472015
That sounds like generic LN synopsis. Any more details?
It's a good step forward
Now we just need to get rid of the "High school battle harem LN" genre and we might be moving forward
>>15472019
Aikatsu isekai?
>>15472013
Remake this and make the demon lord actually act a demon lord instead of a regular shitty MC and we might be getting somewhere.
>>15472010
It's isekai if the protagonist is transported to another world that has mecha in it, like what happens in MuvLuv.
Honestly by this logic they should ban every novel with "MC is an ordinary high school student" in it.
Seems to me like one of the organizers was mad Kirito pumped his waifu 2 years worth of semen.
>>15472014
Maybe the amount of isekai is really too much that it became isekai contest rather than short story contest and that's what they don't want?
>>15472024
And he ends up in prison in first half of second episode.
>>15472021
>Generic LN synopsis.
Yeah, it sure has the usual guy becoming some skeleton, being transported somewhere, being part of some battle school. Yup, it sure looks like it (not).
They should ban chuuni haremtarsh too
>>15472018
>the matrix is an isekai wuxia vrmmo
Jesus Christthat movie was really ahead of its time.
>>15472030
But that would literally kill the LN market
>>15472030
But then what would they submit ?
>>15472032Good.
So what's the next big cliched setting is going to be?
I think it's about time they start copying battle royale and all those shitty american "experiment on teens bullshit" books like divergent and maze runner.Could make for some nice trainwrecks.
>>15472029
It has guy reincarnating after dying. So it is generic death loop.
>>15471994
Actually it is another world, planet and world are synonyms
>>15472021
John Locke's pursuit of happiness.
>>15471958
>Isekai
>SAO clones
Nigger, you're a retard.
>>15472035
You mean Danganronpa?
>>15471958
>will not be accepting any submissions with plots about "traveling to alternate worlds" or "being reincarnated into other worlds."
Well then.
>>15472025
That was more Science Fantasy. And besides, Muv-Luv is terrible.
>>15472036
>guy
Nope.
>reincarnation
Nope.
The author just really likes to use confusing purple prose and in the synopsis. It generally doesn't make sense until you actually read the thing.
This probably seemed tedious as the person reading all these to needlessly have that first bit be about going from our world to another. If you want to write a story in a fantasy world write one about a fantasy world, why does the MC have to be from our world?
>>15472030
Is chuuni even a real thing? I thought it was just being in the emo phase. Do people really act like that in real life and outside of Japan?
I've finished watching chu2 like 2 days ago and my god was in fucking painful to watch.
Only things that kept me going wereShinkaXDekomori interactions
Oh, this means time loop reincarnations are still valid, right? Those are pretty fun.
>>15471963
Attack on Titan is just a clone of Claymore, which is just a clone of Berserk.
>>15472036
I was being sarcastic.
>>15472040
Yeah could me nice, just not rushed 13 episode shit.
>>15472043
Then whats the fucking point of the synopsis?
>>15471958
Isekai shows are the most selling ones this year
http://www.someanithing.com/4324
You can add Re;zero to that list
>>15471958
How about trolling this contest? Submit a work that isn't isekai, they turn it into isekai in the second volume.
>>15472035
We went from action LNs, to battle harem high school LNs to isekai (though battle harem still shows up). So I bet the next trend will be urban fantasy harem LNs.
>>15472044
Self insert.
What if mc lives in a fantasy world but lost his memories and has false memories of living in a place that doesn't exist called Japan.
Obviously they're getting tired of the 'MC transported to a different world' (in a magical sense) genre. Wonder if they will allow a loophole, instead of the whole 'MC gets pulled over', they would accept 'MC's super spaceship accidently crash lands in a fantasy setting. With the MC using all of his advance tech'
>>15472047
>Attack on Titan is just a clone of Claymore
You mean Muv Luv
>>15472029
They kinda did this already.
>>15471958
this is bullshit. There's no such thing as bad concept. There are only bad authors. Instead of blaming the concept, keep your author in check or hire better editor, you dumb fuck.
>>15472052
>>15472052
>short story contest
>second volume
>>15472059
I think battle harems has sort of become a bad concept at this point
>>15471985
Newfag being a newfag, nothing new but it's always nice too have a good laugh from time to time.
>>15471997
>Bastard!
>>15472059
Finally someone gets it
This applies to anime and manga too
There's always a few original concept shows every year and they flop hard because the writing sucks dick either way
>>15472051
That doesn't really mean much when we've only got one season of sales done and only one show topped 5K.
>>15471958
What, are they too polite to just go "NOPE" and throw a manuscript over their shoulders or drop it in the trash when they get far enough in to decide it's yet another shitty isekai story?
At least leave the genre technically open so you could allow one that was actually good in general, or was fun because it viciously satirized, parodied, or otherwise deconstructed the genre, and reserve the right to just go "cliche, we have too much of this already, we aren't interested" or whatever.
>>15472059
There are bad concepts. Bad concepts can still be used to make good shows though, and vice versa.
>>15471975
spotted the rezerofags
>Protagonist can absorb the skills of the monsters he defeats.
>>15472059
>There's no such thing as bad concept
But there is such a thing as a LAZY concept, and sticking to lazy concepts doesn't let an author come up with something good, unless the author is TRULY stellar. And truly stellar authors don't participate in this sort of competition.
>>15471965
Its fine as long as it entertaining. Usually rollstomp MCs aren't entertaining. Kanstoppu! is the only time I saw an MC who was a rollstomp yet the series was fun because the MC was still a shit in other ways and some of the enemies were invulnerable to anything but the power of friendship.
Konosuba is a good example. The MC is pretty smart and wins a lot even though he's not traditionally overpowered but it doesn't matter because its fun. Death March is the worst offender of this since its just him doing whatever the fuck he wants forever and even challenges are more like puzzles for him.
>>15471997
This has been done several times in Western stuff at least, and it's usually just inconsequential flavor added to a shitty series, e.g. Shannara.
>>15472029
>usual guy becoming some skeleton
Yeah I know, generic as fuck right?
>>15472070
I hate that shit too, but honestly, what's the most acceptable OP MC power?
>>15472048
So, which one is it?
>>15472058
I was being sarcastic. For fucks sake.
>>15472050
It told you what happened, that's what.
>>15472061
you may never know. It could came up something amazing,but you will never know. Orlando furioso came up after everthing was being told about Orlando, and it is one of the biggest chivalry epic poetry of all italian history.
>>15472064
exactly: this is just japs putting the blame on everything else but themselves as usual.
>>15472066
They don't want to have to deal with the submissions, that's clearly what it comes down to. Also, I'd assume that professional standards for a contest require that you read every submission to completion, especially considering they're fucking short stories.
>>15472059
It's just to generic. I think they are just being lazy and don't want to read through hundreds of pages of junk only for there to be a small chance some guy actually knew what he was doing. So they eliminate that from the start.
I don't think it's fair though because there are still a lot of cliche settings around.
>>15472066
>What, are they too polite to just go "NOPE" and throw a manuscript over their shoulders or drop it in the trash when they get far enough in to decide it's yet another shitty isekai story?
They can't do that in a competition or else they'll just get a million shitty isekai stories.
>>15472068
jesus
>>15472059
Anon, they aren't fucking saying that nothing good can possibly come out of it, they're saying they don't want people submitting five thousand stories about it, and that they're willing to ban all of them to curb that flood.
>>15472076
See here>>15472038.
And praising the sun while drinking some weird liquid.
>>15471997
Sevens?
Well only the "deep future" is confirmed so far but there were hints that both human magic and monster-spawning dungeons might be artificial and involve some sort of programmable nanomaterial or something like that.
Also it's a web novel but not isekai.
>protagonist is a dense motherfucker yet he can pull beautiful women to him without trying at all
>>15472032
I mean bland chuuni shit. Like all those LN with guy on cover in shitty armor with spikes and epic toy sword from power rangers with naked girls in around him. Not comedy or parody. Rela deal, serious drama.
>>15472074
I was kidding.
>>15472086
Y-you don't get it, he's nice and kind and he gave me his umbrella when it was raining so I won't get the deadly cold after 5 minutes of exposure.
>>15472087
So stuff like Dies irae orF/SN
>>15472084
Fucking moonfags. Being high and smug just because they can read cheap teen literature.
>>15471997
Scrapped princess did that already. In 1999.
>>15472029
>guy becoming some skeleton
Good skeleton paladin translation when?
>>15471958
>Isekai
>SAO clone
>>15471958
I always knew Ramza was right
>>15472062
Not him but it's not you're an idiot
>>15472068
Wow, these two pages alone are like everything wrong with the genre
>Shitty authors spamming horrible OPMC isekais means that we'll never get more stories like Sponging Off Big-Tittied Arab Waifus>>15472097
What about future dystopia or among the sorts like it. Like The Road or Brave New World?
>>15472087
Shit, the last I remember of this was arai's translation of JtheE some centuries ago. This really takes me back.
>>15472093
Are you talking about this one? And I was just being sarcastic..
Why can't we get a show about MC being an evil motherfucker.
No "I was just pretending to be bad" no "b-but the other guys are worse" bullshit.
Just straight up evil motherfucker everyone wants to kill.
The thing is, Japanese readers love isekai the most. Banning it from contest invalidates its results. Whoever the winner will be, they won't gain recognition from sich a victory.
>>15472099
What about it? That's clearly not isekai.
>>15471962
Literally berserk.
>>15472098
Good.
Because its shit where nothing really happens.
>>15472090
I just wanna less tasteless bad written chuuni shit per season. Dies Irae anime will be shit anyway. You know why
>>15472089
I hate the whole "kind" and "nice" thing even more than being dense honestly. Plenty of people are kind and nice too, why does spiky black haired 2nd year high schooler get the girls instead them?
>>15472059
I think they just want more variety of stories
>>15472105
Berserk takes place in a fantasy world in the first place, they just add dragons and shit later.
>>15472103
We have that already.
>>15472091
> Teen literature.
You clearly have not read Nanasawa's works.
Maybe they should just stop accepting harem
>>15472104
I thought it would count since it's sorta an alternate setting/world of it's own. Would it be crossing the line if there was some sort of time traveling that let to that sort of future?
>>15472108
>muh realism
I don't even read LNs, but come on.
>>15471958
Every medieval story is isekai now. They should ban A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court and Game of Thrones
>>15472102
Yobidasareta Satsuriku-sha
It's about a psychotic Stu who likes murdering everything he sees and somehow managed to convince everyone except the princess of the Kingdom that summoned him that he's a nice and heroic guy.
>>15472113
I doubt a short story contest gets that many harem submissions in the first place.
>>15472115
Its less realistic for one guy to have 10 girls while doing absolutely nothing just because he's nice and kind.
As long as Konosuba continues I'm fine with this.
>>15472112
>muh gritty and bloody realism is for adult and classy readers like myself.
Go fuck yourself.
>>15472119
I think you misunderstood - I think it's dumb to care about realism that much.
>>15472119
>just because he's nice and kind.
you know it's not event hat they're nice and kind. It's that they're kindness almost always equates to BASIC MANNERS!
>Oh he didn't rape me, I guess that means he's special
>>15472123
The opposite is hilarious
>he didn't try to rape me
>HE DOESN'T LOVE ME
>>15471958
Good.
This is brilliant.
Why can't an author simply write an honest fantasy novel instead having to do this childish, contrived procedure of having the main character originally be from our world?
Why is that necessary?
It just cheapens the work and is incredibly cliched and boring and it reduces the plausibility of the work. In how many stories is it actually likely that this magical universe will just so happen to whisk away some highschooler suddenly with magic?
Fuck off dude.
If you want to tell a story about warriors and wizards then just tell it. What does using the derivative cliche "I was just an ordinary highschool kid when suddenly I was transported" add to your story when you want to tell a fantasy story? Just tell a fantasy story.
>>15472121
> Implying that it is that.
My friend, I forgot to tell you that this is about a girl that just wants to eat.
>>15472075
Knowledge, how we do things and how to use them. The most OP and still aceptable Mc would be either a great engeneer, to build up the kingdom, or a great administrator, to introduce reforms and small technological advances. Kinda like Let Darkness Fall, where MC introduces things like mechanical Telegraph, double book accounting, and brandy, and avoids the fall of Rome.
The most OP variation of this I can think of would be some CEO retiring only to die and being reincarnated/his soul being transported to become the next Demon Lord, and he starts headhunting (literal headhunting, you gotta take those souls somehow) employees from our world to run the Demon Kingdom like a well oiled company.
>>15472125
because it means we can relate more with the character because we both know nothing about this world, its basically a better version of a character with amnesia.
>>15472125
>If you want to tell a story about warriors and wizards then just tell it. What does using the derivative cliche "I was just an ordinary highschool kid when suddenly I was transported" add to your story when you want to tell a fantasy story? Just tell a fantasy story.
Maybe they don't fucking want to tell a fantasy story, they want to tell an isekai story.
>>15471958
isekai get banned
we got influx of VRMMO setting instead which is the real SAO Clone
Why can't we have an actual slice of life Fantasy without any bullshit where nothing happens? Like this one.
>>15472108
He also feed milk to kittens in a tangerine box. And lend his umbrella to an abandoned puppy.
>>15472125
Maybe he wanted to tell a Fish out of water story too?
>>15471958
I find Re:Zero ok but honestly the idea of banning precise settings for some time is a good idea, I approve.
I always wondered what would happen to Japan animation If you banned the high school setting for 1-2 year.
>>15472127
> some CEO retiring only to die and being reincarnated/his soul being transported to become the next Demon Lord, and he starts headhunting (literal headhunting, you gotta take those souls somehow) employees from our world to run the Demon Kingdom like a well oiled company.
Actually, would read.
>>15471958
All those morons of ANN dont know that western literature have a lot of isekai or similar?
>>15472117
"Hi there, we're the gods who sent you here! Have some free stuff!"
>Kills them
"Hi there, I'm the King who summoned you here! Don't you want to be a badass hero?"
>Kills him too
"I'm the motherfucking princess, you killed my father, prepare to die."
>Leaves her alive, conquers half a country for her, and positions himself politically to give her infinite positive PR with the average citizens as long as she does literally anything other than going against him.
This guy's logic and morals are so weird that it's actually fun to read for now.
>>15471958
>banning things makes them go away
The genre is older than the bible.
>>15472051
>10,924, Winter, Kono Subarashii Sekai ni Shukufuku wo
>2,364, Winter, Musaigen no Phantom World
Not always.
>>15472123
Well, if the story is set in the middle ages, not raping someone would make you a true prince.
is shin sekai mori isekai?
Why is it that shin sekai mori is a good light novel when all other light novels with anime adaptions are otaku-pandering trash?
>>15472068
>Dropping based Sakamoto's manga
>>15472136
One was a religious allegory for the horrors or WW2, the other is a quickly and sloppily written cash grab because Japan will buy anything with brightly colored waifus in it
You CAN do it well, the problem is Japan fucking doesn't.
>>15472138
They aren't trying to get rid of it, they just don't want it in the contest. Also, what isekai is older than the bible?
>>15472137
I'm guessing his mentality is about being trained all his life in his own world but being told not to kill.
>>15472141
Kill yourself.
>>15472143
>waifus
Call them cute girls holy shit, not every girl gets waifued.
>>15472143
I thought it was an allegory for Jesus, where did WW2 come into it?
Why not just make a deconstruction of chuuni isekai tripe that is an allegory on how you should be banging chicks and learn that you need to accept the harsh truth of reality?
>>15472123
Pretty much.
Is this because there not such things as gentlemanism in japan that they think this things instantly impress women?
Also part of their mentality to not shove their nose into other people's business, so every girl almost faints when mc asks her something personal. "C-c-could it be, are you m-maybe WORRIED about me?".
Was fine at first but now is kinda getting annoying.
>>15472143
Japan does, too - Kanata Kara is good, Escaflowne is good, etc. The problem is that most recent LNs don't, because it's the fucking big trend of the moment, and big trends in YA fiction tend to produce a ton of schlock.
>>15472125
I'm NOT defending it, just to be clear.
First: Is to make the "new" also "unknown". See shit like Harry Potter, for exemple: every new shit is unknown to the MC, just as is for the reader.
You can follow the hardships of the MC trying to adapt to a new world where he knows literally nothing about. And knows nobody too.
A MC born in the fantasy world, even with low knowledge, still knows what to eat, knows some people, knows the danger of x, knows a bit of his world's (or kingdom's politics)
Second: it's easier to self-insert if its a "normal high school/NEET japanese boy" instead of this "kinda muscular farmer fuckboy"
That's why you see in most isekais that the MC always "go out in an adventure" and gets involved with a lot of the world troubles, instead of setting up in a place and living their life. Because they don't know shit and always fuck shit up.
>>15472127
So overlord with more comapny shit?
>>15471958
SAO clones? You should read this book if you want a true sao clone
>>15472117
>That synopsis
>>15472143
> WW2
This one?
>>15472143
But the allegorical content is if anything a blight on Narnia and makes it dumber and dumber the more heavy-handed it becomes.
>>15472125
>Why can't an author simply write an honest fantasy novel instead having to do this childish, contrived procedure of having the main character originally be from our world?
Because it's harder. Just look at fantasy novel authors, most of them are middle-old aged men and a bunch of them like Tolkien and Jordan have been through war. Their age and life experiences give them a ton of sources to draw inspiration from.
The compare to your typical LN author, usually ~30ish and some of the newer ones might have even got their start as early as middle/highschool considering how low the age requisite is for some of these LN contests (that have publication rewards mind you). Combine their with the fact that most Japanese probably haven't been outside the country except for maybe the odd vacation or school trip and it isn't very surprising most of them just choose to pick the same kind of fantasy setting that's been done to death in the anime in videogames they see. It's also why you can sometimes see them choose to lift from existing real-world mythologies rather than creating everything from the grassroots.
The Isekai device just gives them an easy excuse for a relatable MC because Japanese highschooler (with optional videogame or otaku inclinations) fits like 90% of their audience to the tee.
>>15472133
you can do that without the "I was a normal highschool student in japan until woaahh I was transported".
fish out of water stories happen within the real world too.
>>15472128
It's a sign of being very emotionally handicapped on the part of the reader or bad writing on the part of the author if having the character originally be from the same planet as the reader is required in order for the reader to relate to the main character.
I mean come on, what is humanity and human nature? there are thousands of well written fantasy novels set entirely in a different world with relatable main characters. It isn't even necessary for the main character to be human in order to be very relatable and the kind of character whom you enjoy reading about.
>>15472068
Woah.
How can anyone even withstand the amount of cringe in this?
>>15472150
Remember, "feminisuto" in Japanese doesn't quite mean feminist. It means "the kind of guy that doesn't beat up his woman."
>>15472148
>where did WW2 come into it?
It's literally set during WW2.
What's worse, getting reincarnated as a baby or as a person who just so happened to die at the same time as them?
>>15472136
>Bungaku Free Market and Shousetsuka ni Narou
>ANN
Do you really think you're some kind of special one who knows about those books? Most Isekai LN are worse trash then fuckin "russian isekai genre". It has nothing to do with real books
>>15472164
Good thing this isn't an LN contest.
>>15472164
>Stalin fighting against the forces of Nazism in fantasy not!Rome
I wasn't aware that I needed this.
>>15472085
The ancestors are the only good thing about that story.
>>15472152
Fallen/disowned noble teenager exiled from his country/city works just as well for the "unknown" aspect.
>>15472136
Western fantasy is a dead genre.
Who the fuck reads that diarrhea lmao.
>>15472160
Exactly.
imagine the thousands of hours you'e spent drawing to be a proficient manga artist and you don't have any narrative or story or writing idea better to draw than this drivel
>>15472125
>Why can't an author simply write an honest fantasy novel
Because they are Japanese. Fantasy boom that started with Dragon Quest (which authors thought would flop because of genre) has long gone. Look at long running series that started at that time: neither Phantasy Star, nor Final Fantasy are about fantasy anymore.
If you want to write a transported to another world story you need to ask yourself one important question.
"How important is it that he's from another world" and no being an exposition box doesn't count.
In Connecticut Yankee for example the titular Yankee's knowledge of the technology of his own time was a major plot point that not only helped him but had an active impact of the world.
>>15472158
You didn't seriously just use fucking Robert Jordan as your counterexample to generic LN authors, did you? I mean, I like Wheel of Time, but come on, it's a farmboy-Chosen-One LotR knockoff, and then he got really into it and wound up writing a lot more and with much more lore than he had originally intended.
>>15472165
It's LN contest. See Log Horizon
>>15472146
Butthurt "My Little Sister Is The Demon Overlord But I Still Have An Ordinary Highschool Life?!" fan detected
>>15472158
You can also often feel the authors are literal children who don't know much about the world and just put stuff they think looks cool or have seen in other movies/anime.
Like when they don't know shit about how military works and think that everyone salutes to everyone every second and basically do whatever they want with no repercussions.
>>15472170
Imagine the audacity and/or lack of self awareness to do that instead of teaming up with a storywriter.
>>15472158
Who is the G.R.R. Martin of japanese LNs and by that I mean lazy fat fuck who doesn't know what he's doing?
>>15472176
Come on dude. Most LN authors don't even exist. It's written by ghostwriters with marketers
>>15472059
>Instead of blaming the concept, keep your author in check or hire better editor
What do Japanese editors do, exactly? Are they telling authors what to write? Are authors forced to comply? Why won't editor write shit themselves, if they are so proficient in telling what is good?
>>15472214
>Why won't editor write shit themselves, if they are so proficient in telling what is good?
I imagine being an editor pays better.
>143512648
Shit authors are shit authors no matter what the premise, but I'll give a guess for why they do it:
It gives a very easy way to self insert
It gives a very simple justification for those very long bits of expository dialogue dumping that japs can be prone to
Because it's the new fad
Also if they wrote regular fiction instead it would still be shit
>>15472068
>Danger Level: SSS
God damn, nothing tweaks me quite like rank inflation.
Every time some media starts throwing around shit like "Rank SSS+9 Platinum" I lose the ability to care.
>>15472035
You're going to love it when Mahou Shoujo Ikusei Keikaku comes out.
>>15472035
>So what's the next big cliched setting is going to be?
Some kind of LN equivalent of nakige.
They'll all start trying to copy Shuumatsu and fail miserably because nips can't into emotions.
Good. Now exclude the concept of "Demon Lord" in any form.
>>15472172
Yeah, it is far too convenient to have the relatable protagonist be as clueless as the viewers and it is the hallmark of not giving a shit.
Though it's not quite isekai, I dropped Index the second the protagonist lost all of his fucking memories just so the audience can have stuff explained out loud, it's lazy as shit.
>>15472366
But how else will I have a big bad 100% enemy that I invariably triumph over after some speech about friends/muh humanity?
>>15471958
Does Keit-ai count as isekai? After all, the MC isn't actually sent to the parallel world.
It is worded too harshly. The ban should be on stories that are created by traveling to another world, not everything that involves traveling to other worlds.
For example, from western literature, His Dark Materials involves travel to other worlds, but it's a story that actually uses it to contrast the worlds between each other, the story takes place across multiple words etc. If it were simply a way to start a story where it doesn't matter, then a ban could be acceptable, but it also ends up banning stories about multiple worlds.
Another example is the anime Noein, but I don't remember the specifics. But it's clearly not an isekai, there are a few short trips to other worlds, and the story is about worlds.
It should only ban stories where travel to a world is used as a cheap plot device, they should not have banned stories about parralel worlds, like they did now.
>>15472382
Most Narou settings are all about convenience.
Aside from being a vehicle for cool explosions, magic in isekai fantasy is also a convenient catch-all device to gloss over all the details of the world the author doesn't want to think too much about. Laundry and hygiene is taken care of with water magic. Injuries are taken care of with healing magic. Slavery is taken care of with contract magic. Dungeons and monsters are formed through magic. Erectile dysfunction is taken care of with reverse trap magic. Ah, magic sure is convenient isn't it?
The same goes for the game-like elements that often pop up in stories like these. Instead of having to theorize and describe how the fantastical elements of the world work they can all be written off with "they operate just like the MMOs and RPGs everyone is familiar with". Skills get stronger because they level up. You can take more stab wounds to the gut because you have more HP. Gameifying the world removes a lot of the explanations immersion would otherwise require.
Currency also conveniently comes in decimal denominations with easy value conversions to the Japanese yen.
Adventurer guilds are also a convenient way to justify monster hunting and dungeon diving without ever getting into the real specifics of how a monster hunting and dungeon diving economy would work.
And let's not forget that the fantasy worlds that our Japanese protagonists are transported to often speak a language nearly identical to modern Tokyo-dialect Japanese or have convenient translation magic to make linguistic issues trivial.
Everything is just convenient. And the main character will often wittily remark as such to show how genre aware he is.
>>15471963
>Isekai is not an absolute requirement for many of the tropes that make works within the genre so terrible (lazy videogame mechanics, Gary Stu protagonists with cheat powers, haremshit, etc).
Isn't that basically Danmachi?
So Isekai story is famous because it tackles on the fantasy of the reader of self insert.
Does that mean Isekai LN out there is pretty much Twilight for teen boys?
>>15472460
Danmachi isn't isekai because there are no real-world characters. It's just a fantasy story that sticks to some of the common conveniences. (haven't actually read or seen it though)
>>15472475
No, what I mean is if you take the actual isekai premise out of your typical isekai fantasy story, you end up with Danmachi.
>>15471958
>not be accepting any submissions with plots about "traveling to alternate worlds"
This gives me an idea.
I'll write about diplomacy between our world and alternate world is closed down, there's trade embargo between two worlds and the relationship staled between the two. There is a chance that these two world will lock in an interdimensional war.
Our protagonist, who wanted to live the dream as a hero on the alternate world, forces himself to go to the alternate world despite he will face the threat of annihilation between the two. But he just don't care because he wanted to live a cool life surrounding by woman who will be all heels over him, becoming powerful without any effort and just wanted to make glory on his otherwise pathetic life in his own world.
A kuso thread is transported to a fantasy land.
Has there ever been an isekai with a FEMALE MC?
>>15472558
I think there was a manga about a chick who became a healer, not sure if it was based on anything.
>>15472558
What is Escaflowne? What is Twelve Kingdoms?
>>15472558
Two of the current top ten on Narou have female protagonists.
That's Kenkyo Kenjitsu and Kumo Desu ga Nani ka, mind you.
>>15472558
Serial Experiments Lain?
>>15472558
Yup! Check out Ee? Heibon Desu yo??--it's pretty much exactly that.
(obligatory)
I think a cultural exchange between worlds is a real cool topic.
I really enjoyed Outbreak Company.
>An ordinary highschool /a/ thread is suddenly transported to another board with fantasy elements
>>15472558
Magic Knight Rayearth
Alice in Wonderland
What I am tired of is not isekai, it's the whole "medieval europe-ish with magic" setting. It's been run to the ground, then to hell and back. It's as tired as it is overdone and lazy at this point.
>>15472718
Did you just wake up after falling asleep in the 90s?
Welcome to /jp/, /a/nons. Please place glass recyclables in the bin to the left and plastic recyclables in the bin to the right.
>>15472745
What do you mean?
>>15472752
Record of Lodoss War, Slayers as well as minor shows like Sorcerer Hunters, Sorcerous Stabber Orphen, Ruin Explorers, Detatoko Princess and dozens of others you've probably never heard of.
>>15472773
No, I have seen/read half of those, again what is your point? Yes, the setting was already all over the place and overdone back then, does that somehow invalidate my statement in ways I cannot comprehend?
