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Prepare to get red-orbed, poorfag.
>>15208825
Nice shit thread.
Tree of Savior, AKA the MMO that didn't save MMOs but is cute as fuck, is now free to play. Please come play it /jp/ neets. Don't mind you need Steam to install it. You can be cute again, like in Ragnarok Online.
If you do play, remember to turn voices to Japaense for maximum moe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8kK4Up8qE4
/v/ & /vg/ are on Klaipeda please avoid that subhuman containment server.
PSA: Come to Klaipeda. Fedimian is full of slavs and other ESL shitters.
Not otaku culture
>>15209084
MMOs and being cute online is /jp/ culture since the beginning.
>>15209084
netoge are ultra otaku culture
Which server?
>>15209324
I'm playing on Orsha to avoid the other boards
This game is pretty shitty. You can't even play dress up.
>>15209324
Orsha was the BR server initially.
Klaipeda is where things happen.
>>15209340
They got their own server and transfred
>>15209334
This, if you want to avoid the other boards completely.
Klaipedia is fine though, and not as dead as Orsha. There are also EU, SA, and SEA servers, but Orsha and Klaipeda are both in US mid east. I play on Klai myself but you can make teams on every server with one account.
Also to make a guild requires you to be a high level swordsman class, so no /jp/ guild will be around unless people actually get into it.
>>15209335
Yeah you can. All the classes you change into have costumes you can swap and you can buy more from the cash shop. Also there are various hats.
KUSO THREAD FOR THE KUSOGE
>>15209355
Klaipeda will have a bigger queue, ksers, more boss campers, more bullies, huge lag, more bots
Customization is shit lets be honest everyone looks the same
>>15209414
More players = shorter queues. And you won't be playing alone at least.
>>15209444
Log in queue; we won't be alone if we all play together unless you want to play with /v/ and /vg/
>>15209449
I am playing with "/vg/". Which is actually not just /vg/ but 4chan in general.
I played this game during the closed beta. Is it actually released now or is this open beta? Is progress saved now? I'm not entirely sure it's worth getting back into.
>>15209476
Open beta there won't be a wipe, game still isn't finished though.
>>15209355
Hats are shit and picking through 4 costumes after gaining 200 levels doesn't give the amount of customization you're suggesting it does. I'm also fairly sure paying $20 for each seasonal cash shop dress isn't playing dress up.
>>15209476
It's "released". Progress has been saved since early access(aka "open beta" aka "we need 3 more months to finish the game but players only gave us 1") a month and a half ago. It's more or less the same as last beta, with some changes to class balance, circle 7 classes, and, for some reason, some super facist limits to trading.
>>15209414
There will be hair and eye color dyes too. It's more customizable than RO was at least, but it'll never be like Mabinogi. (Incidentally, Mabinogi released Generation 20 like two weeks ago, including a waifu raising/dating sim minigame)
where is jp guild
>>15209489
Okay, game isn't for you then. bye.
>>15209517
You gotta raise a swordsman to circle 7 and get templar class first. I don't think anyone on /jp/ would have been preparing a character during the last month and I don't really want to to grind up one.
http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/
If someone starts now, they can be there in a week or 2
>>15209517
There isn't one as far as I know, to make one you need to make a swordman and take the Templar class at lv ~220
Let's do this
>>15209537
Which server are you on?
Just finished downloading the game.
>>15209537
Templar?
>>15209542
>Klaipeda
>>15209547
Yea I'll get started on it hope to make guild one day
>>15208825
Which of the characters is the lewdest and gives me the best opportunity for up skirts and bouncing sweater puppies
This is important I cannot play unless I get to be a shameless whore in-game
>>15209555
Peltasta
>>15209555
Archer
>>15209555
http://www.tosbase.com/game/classes/
Pick a class up to rank 7 and shoot for it. Lewdest is oracle or sorc though. OR featherfoot maybe.
This game is terrible, I'd rather just play RO more.
Got a flower hairpin
>>15209577
>>>/q/
>>>/qa/
>>15209593
Cute, I got the turnip thing
I think the biggest problem with this game is that you hit the end of the content in about a week.
They should have reduced the xp rates or something.
>>15209603
Casuals complained that there was too much grind
>>15209558
>>15209560
Thanks
>>15209564
Featherfoot looks nice but Druid seems a lot more rapeable. Choices choices~
>>15209002
Go to Steam\steamapps\common\TreeOfSavior\release in your steam folder and open User.xml, then look for the line at the bottom that starts with Sound TotalVolume and change Language=" " to Language="Japanese" for cute Japanese voices.
>>15209603
You only hit it in a week if you do quests instead of grind. You can slowly grind all you want. Also supposedly max is 400 or 500, so it should be a while if they ever finish the game to what they projected for release.
My biggest problem with the game is that all the fun classes are at the end. Even if you did grind slower, it'd be forever until you got to what you really wanted.
>>15209618
Druids can transform into enemies (like cute? female humanoids) and use their skills. They can also do this in PVP
>>15209634
>Druids can transform into enemies (like cute? female humanoids) and use their skills. They can also do this in PVP
Look, I'm good to go as long as I get to be a guild's personal plaything and spend my evenings servicing the fantasies of sexually frustrated young men~
>>15209701
you might need to listen to >>15209577 then.
>>15209634
That's a very good point. Personally I think things like learning new skills and exploring new areas are very overrated. I would even argue that the real game doesn't even start until you run out of quests and you have to grind to level up. The game could be a lot more fun if you had to spend the entirety grinding enemies and returning to town to repair your gear. In fact, you could just stay in the starting area and grind there. Then the game would last even longer!
I would be seriously surprised if this game lasted long enough to make content to level 400 or 500. The good thing though is that if they do release the new content it will likely be catered to the new circle 9 or 12 or whatever it may be at that point. At least then when all the new "fun classes" have been released you can just make a new character because your class build is now irrelevant. Yay!
>>15209701
Also pick a peltasta-squire build and spend your days polishing everyone's rods.
>>15209730
>and returning to town to repair your gear.
Nono, see, there's classes (squire) that exist to repair your armor in the field and make you sandwiches to snack on in between grinding.
I'm not sure what the point of your sarcasm is though.
Are we going to have a thread here or will we have to move to /vg/?
I'm in Argentina and I don't know if I should play in one of the US servers to get into a /jp/ guild or just go with the BR server.
I just got to the main town who do I talk to for quests
>>15209751
i think there are some /vg/ people who went to the sa server even though they're not brs themselves i don't think the shitty ping is worth it just to play with /jp/
>>15209771
If it's like any other game, I'll have 150-200ms which isn't really all that much for an MMO, during the beta there were times with over 300ms and it was still playable.
>>15209751
Depends on if /q/-mod's rules are in effect, or if we can return to old-old-/jp/'s days of having MMO threads about anime style MMOs.
Also don't go to /vg/'s thread. It is awful.
Just make a character on the BR server and make another set of characters on Klaipeda and see which you prefer.
>>15209766
Use ur brian moran. This isn't wow. NPCs don't have exclamation marks above their heads.
>>15209782
>Also don't go to /vg/'s thread. It is awful.
It's not. If you want to play an mmo alone, then sure, you don't even need 4chan in this case.
>>15209785
Actually they kinda do, just had to check tracking in my quest journal
>>15209790
It is they're actively giving out disinfo to new players
>>15209799
All useful information is in the OP.
Don't be tricked into investing your time in this shit. It's painfully just another roller coaster mmo produced by a shitty gook company.
You've been warned.
I'm surprised modo still hasn't deleted this thread.
>>15209801
Thread's garbage
>>15209824
okay champ
>>15209725
>>15209731
Will do~
>>15209740
I forgot about all those low level squires. Another good thing about just grinding and never doing quests early on is that you really get a lot of money to pay for all those squire repairs.
Oh sorry, I really should have explained that better. The point of the sarcasm is to be insulting. Again, sorry if that wasn't clear enough for you.
>>15209821
So what you're saying is that it's an mmo, which is like mmo;s
Wow, there's a fucking shock
It's cute, it's free and it's an mmo
It's not going to be a game changer, but it's something fun to do
>>15209830
What are you doing in this thread then? Go back to /vg/'s quality tos threads.
ｓａｇｅｒｕ
>>15209832
Not the girl you replied to, but /jp/-brand irony has corrupted me to the point where I have no idea if you're being sincere or not.
>>15209852
Why do you care about what I'm doing?
>>15209863
Please go back to playing with your discord guildies.
>>15209859
I'm just frustrated that someone is suggesting this game is any good. It's going to be dead in a month unless they devs do something about it.
There's a reason that the population of the early accessed declined so rapidly since it started. One of the more obvious reasons is that there's very very little to do in this game besides going map to map questing or grinding.
If I can save at least one person from the fate of having to play this shitty mmo I will feel accomplished. Being hurtful is the only way I know how to help.
>>15209840
Just play path of exile if you want a free grinding gmae
What's solo play in this game like? I really can't afford to spend more than 20-30 minutes a day on this game without screwing myself over.
This thread makes me nostalgic for the late '00s when I could get away with late-night marathon sessions.
>>15209915
I understand (I guess) but I think that a lot of people might jut be playing it for different reasons.
Plus, as someone has noted this is the first time in a long time that board administration has allowed an anime-style MMO thread to stay here for more than a few minutes. It's likely that a lot of people here probably haven't touched an MMO in years. I'm >>15209939 and I haven't touched a game in so long I forget the name of the last MMO that I played. I just picked up the game because I like how it looks and the girls are really cute, plus it seems that it's popular among other /jp/sies. It's F2P now, so if I don't like it I can just drop it.
>>15209967
>Plus, as someone has noted this is the first time in a long time that board administration has allowed an anime-style MMO thread to stay here for more than a few minutes.
Well, occasionally Japanese mmos have threads that die natural non-interest deaths, and some anime style mmo (in general) threads have lasted until people inevitably started talking about tera and dota, which are definitely not /jp/.
Hopefully, being anime style and having Japanese voice option is good enough. It's a shame /jp/'s mmo playing population probably either has gotten used to not playing or moved on to /vg/ and been corrupted.
I do sort of want to make a Hotglue or TakeItEasyCo guild, but I just remembered something important: Guilds can declare war on each other, thus allowing their players to PK each other. There's a neutrality option overseas, but not in this version, so even if someone makes a /jp/ guild, you might not want to join it, as random guilds or rampant /v//vg/ers may start wars with and pk hapless /jp/sies.
We Peltasta now
Also add me if you're on Klaipeda
>>15210045>>15210045
>rampant /v//vg/ers may start wars with and pk hapless /jp/sies
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/140422125/#140444072
>>15209939
>What's solo play in this game like?
The way you'll mostly be playing anyway, unless you make some sort of support build that can't kill anything on their own. You mostly do quests for EXP cards, so you shouldn't have too much of a problem as long as you have a good pve build. There's also auto party matching for the dungeons you can go into at certain levels, so you don't have to talk to anyone to make a party for the dungeon with them.
>I really can't afford to spend more than 20-30 minutes a day on this game without screwing myself over.
You should be able to progress doing quests until you reach 100, then you can just log on and do daily quests and missions in Fedimian. The dungeons and missions should fit into a half hour, but you might need 2 hours. You can still do quests until you reach the 7th circle at level 200 something, btw, so it's not like you have to do dailies, but they're options at that point.
>>15210065
There's already a 2hu guild?
How do I join?
>>15210089
fuck if i know
>>15209967
Well then to answer your question solo play is pretty much the same across all classes early on. Just buy the buffs from the buff shops in town and go around whacking things over and over in slightly different maps.
Plus when it comes time to do the dungeons you don't even have to talk to anyone else. You can just use the dungeon finder.
>>15208825
I wanted this game to be good so bad. Even after figuring out all the "Ragnarok successor" advertising was all blatant lies, I still wanted it to be good. It's so charming, it's so cute. I wanted so hard.
But even still...
>>15210109
at this point it's obvious it's just a cash grab but i hope it'll survive and get better
>>15209593
Are you not a Klaipedo?
>>15209939
You can solo your way to around 220 if you want (although you'll have to auto queue to dungeons and so shitty repetitive mindless group content several times along the way), but around that time the mods in fields start growing several times stronger and spongier. Leveling over 230 is just making parties to farm dungeons or grind specific strong spots.
It fucking sucks.
>>15210148
Just take it easy until circle 8 is released.
>>15210045
I just want to take it easy and grind mobs with /jp/.
>>15210153
I'll be waiting for you at demon prison
>>15210109
>>15210138
No officer
>>15210089
It's not even a 4chan guild. Just some random waboos.
>>15210160
Well that's not untrue. There is a lot of collecting involved.
At least the game has interesting classes and the optional dungeons with the dungeon events are kind of interesting, even if people try desperately to keep the secrets of how they work to themselves.
>>15210194
That's some Stockholm Syndrome speaking if I've ever seen it.
There is collecting and leveling up to do, sure. But "other than the questing system and scenario missins"? The game fucking works ENTIRELY around questing and scenario missions, while RO only have half a dozen lore quests and no kind of scenario missions at all (at least before they started being introduced these last few years), which was the entire point they were making.
They couldn't lie harder through they teeth if they TRIED.
>>15210250
Even IF we assume that they were not lying and had full intentions of making a good niche game instead of a safe, shambling rehash, I don't think saying "oh they just gave that up and made what the lowest common denominator wanted instead" speaks very highly of them either.
>>15210317
It doesn't need to speak highly of them. They're fucking retards when it comes to making decisions and they've completely ruined every aspect of an economy as one result. Play the game or don't.
I don't know why people are so obsessed with constantly whining about it. It's not RO. RO is old and busted anyway. The game is cute and classes are interesting and fun and there are some good ideas even if there are lots of bad ones. It's hardly as unplayable as an average wowclone, but it's not great either. But play the game or don't. You don't have to constantly whine when others play it and find enjoyment.
>>15210344
Holy shit dude calm your tits
Why is this off-topic thread here rather than on one of the boards that are specifically designated for video games/video game generals? /jp/ is bad enough as it is without the return of horrible MMO circlejerks.
>>15210352
Yeah that's the summary of my post to you. .
It's just a game, you're not talking people out of suicide or something.
>>15210358
All of /jp/'s topics that involve any form of video game should be moved to /v/ or /vg/.
>>15210344
Are all the cute bots still running around doing cute things?
>>15210366
There's even more!
>>15210366
Yeah probably. They're back to spamming at full force anyway
>>15210378
>>15210382
Well I hope you know that they only have bots because the community wanted them.
If you don't like it then don't play.
>>15210389
>the community wanted them.
What
Who the fuck would want that?
>>15210344
I'm not the "calm your tits" dude, if you couldn't tell. However you're the one that came in defensively of the dudes you call retards yourself when someone else posted an image with their lies, and I just called you out on it. Think about who's obsessed here.
Three of my friends are playing right now but I'm scared to try and get in this game because the class system is so intimidating.
I heard that the game puts a lot of emphasis on DPS'ing and things like tanks aren't really so important. I still want to do something that's different since I really hated this kind of stuff in games like PSO2 where being a different class didn't really matter all that much since the end result was just to do more damage, as opposed to a game like FFXIV where things like healers and tanks are actually mandatory.
Is there a build I can follow that does something different and interesting that's not focused on DPS? I don't even really mind that it won't be all that useful.
>>15210407
>I really hated this kind of stuff in games like PSO2 where being a different class didn't really matter all that much since the end result was just to do more damage, as opposed to a game like FFXIV where things like healers and tanks are actually mandatory.
Ugh, I fucking hate you "holy trinity" retards.
Quit being a cum slurping background priest and do something for once.
PSO2's class system is probably the best out there right now because literally every class is skill based and useful without having to rely on someone else to make sure they don't get hurt.
>>15210407
Linker? Chronomancer?
>>15210400
Well if they just got lazy and made a shitty game because the community wanted it that way the reason there's so many bots must be because the community also wanted it. I mean, it's not like they didn't start banning bots until they realized that the bot owners were just doing chargebacks on steam or anything. They just do what's best for the community.
>>15210407
All classes pretty much have decent dps. If you're looking for something like a support role without healing, something like wiz>pyro or cryo>linker2>chrono comes to mind. This would also be absolutely terrible to solo so keep that in mind.
>>15210407
>I heard that the game puts a lot of emphasis on DPS'ing and things like tanks aren't really so important
It's not that they aren't important, it's that you can't really tank. You can severely lower your dps to have more def. You can stand still holding block. You can jump around like an idiot evading, or you can do some damage. Or healing or buffing or crowd control or something other than what amounts to taunting enemies and standing still.
>Is there a build I can follow that does something different and interesting that's not focused on DPS
yeah, but unless you are going to constantly follow and stay within level range of your friends, you're going to be in trouble trying to level on your own.
Linker is the basic wiz crowd control type class and goes well with lots of things, or can just be stuck in and will make you useful to others. Psychokino is a dps oriented cc class, so you can do CC and damage, although it doesn't work with linker. However if you wanted to be a linker 2/pk 3, you'd actually be able to do damage. Although you'll have to take pryo. You could do wiz 2 for surespell but people will make fun of you for having wiz 2 and not 3.
You could also do a variety of cleric builds. Just take cleric to and go have fun. Priest for ressurection if you really want to be useful, then just do whatever.
http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner
Play around with those
Well, are we going to have an easy time playing or are we going to get mad at each other until the thread 404s and then we never talk about it again?
I mean, it sounds like fun but I don't have good experiences with /vg/ and /v/ guilds and to be alone all the time I'd rather just keep playing sc2.
>>15210448
Threads like 25% wants to play, 25% wants to argue because they dont like the game, 50% wants to shitpost because they think /jp/ never had MMO threads
>>15210428
>>15210431
>>15210442
Linker sounds like fun because it sounds like that one class in RO that nobody picked because it made every other class better but that was kinda it. I guess I'll give that and chrono a go.
Thank you very much!
>>15210448
Just ignore the people that are here to derail the thread and talk about the game itself. Making posts about this doesn't help. There's detractors every thread, eventually the get bored and go away.
Any EU guys wanna start with me? Played to like lvl 150 in the beta so I'm not a complete noob
>>15209335
How many MMO's really let you tweak your costume? You either have to wear the best stuff only or deal with not being able to change the colors.
>>15210448
>are we going to have an easy time playing
I'm already doing that. Just ignore /v/idiots and w-bro trolls.
>50% wants to shitpost because they think /jp/ never had MMO threads
It's more like "just wants to shitpost"
If people are playing, just post server and team names and add each other. You can just block each other if you're scared you won't like talking to someone. Then you/we can talk in game even when this thread dies and never becomes a regular thing for a month before everyone gets bored.
>>15210468
This game's version of that is more like thaumaturge. Only good for buffing people. Linker is good because it turns single damage into aoe damage.
Do NOT take or use Physical Link. Ever. It will kill you and everyone you hold dear. Also Chrono's most prized skill is at circle 3, so your options are basically pyro linker linker or pyro linker pyro. Anything else and you will be in pain and unable to level. Pyro 2 is probably better. More damage until late game and you can just hunt a gem to increase joint penalty's level by 1 so you can have 6 links. Even if you don't want damage, you need something.
>>15210492
Mabinogi, /jp/'s patron game, lets you customize yourself and your clothes a lot. Also it didn't matter what you wore at all until they added armor masteries, because def did absolutely nothing and you enchanted items rather than them usually having special effects, although some do. You can make a unique looking outfit and a unique looking character.
>>15210479
You should post a name.
>>15210502
Still downloading the game, wanted to know if anyone was planning on starting as well
>>15210492
http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?コスチューム・パーツ%2F女性用
>>15210492
Well maybe that's why most MMOs are pretty shitty.
>>15210492AION
>>15210492
TERA, though there really aren't a whole lot of costumes. Still, you can make your armor look like whatever exists.
I'm Nez Gramsby on Klaipeda, I'm not very good at video games, pls be kind.
>>15210045
>It's a shame /jp/'s mmo playing population probably either has gotten used to not playing or moved on to /vg/ and been corrupted.
No, MMOs are just dead now.
>>15210564
There are still good MMOs that exist though. Why isn't /jp/ playing Japanese version ECO or Mabinogi still?
>>15210597
Nothing would please me more than to play ECO. Unfortunately I don't want to play with an extra 200-500 ping just to end up getting banned for speaking english at some point.
>>15210597
I'm a super asocial NEET who has trouble socializing even on the goddamn internet, plus I feel like I can never catch up to the guys who treat these games like fucking jobs.
Also I wish there was an MMO that actually has interesting combat and not some fucked-up child of real-time and turn-based spreadsheets with none of the pros and all of the cons.
>>15210625
Why do you need to catch up? MMORPGs aren't a race.
>has interesting combat and not some fucked-up child of real-time and turn-based spreadsheets with none of the pros and all of the cons.
Like what sort of combat?
>>15210644
>Why do you need to catch up? MMORPGs aren't a race.
They sure feel like one. I see maxed out players with all the cool shit, best gear, crazy stats and it feels like I have to have that stuff as soon as possible or people will laugh at me behind my back.
I'll be honest, it's probably that I just plain don't "get" MMO's. As an asocial person with anxiety issues I don't see the fun in joining a guild/hanging out with friends so all I get is a grinding simulator where I can never be alone and while away the time by myself.
>Like what sort of combat?
Something real-time with fast speedy pace and a high skill-ceiling. They'll never do that because then you wouldn't need to minmax your stats and get the best gear to do the best, and so people with shit internet don't get fucked.
MMO's always look very rough and jank to me. In videos of combat you just see guys standing around spamming attacks in this very rigid manner. Hell, even the huge bosses are pretty much the exact same except they have inflated damage and HP. They don't feel any different than normal enemies (this is a problem I have with RPG's as well though).
Even the speedier, more action-focused MMO's are pretty slow, and I guess that's just because MMO's can't be Metal Gear Rising/Devil May Cry/Bayonetta-fast by design. This is just not the genre for me.
>>15210733
You might actually like PSO2
>>15210733
>They'll never do that because
It won't work online. Just stick with console action games. You seem like you don't like RPGs to be honest and you also seem to fully understand that.
I don't really like mindless hack and slash games that much myself (I know to you they're high skill games, and provided DMC is kind of tough at first) I'd prefer if mmos gave up the action biz and focused on pointing and clicking. For me, something where your stats actually matter and your equipment could augment that is ideal. Crafting, enchanting, building, customizing, instead of just mashing buttons wildly. The only problem is auto-attacking too much like Diablo type games isn't great (which this game is guilty of) and a game where you just target an enemy and push keys in a row over and over isn't good either.
I think this game almost has the battle system right. You can dodge things, you move around and have to think about stuff while fighting, and you still have hit/miss chances, but it lacks a bit in stats, and everything kind of attacks you too slowly or else has undodgeable ranged attacks. This game actually moves at a pretty quick pace too, slowness of the enemies considered.
>>15210783
He might. I only played PSOBB and it was slow and boring to me.
>>15210806
>You seem like you don't like RPGs
I do actually like single-player RPG's, I fucking love Disgaea to death and also have been playing through Fairy Fencer F and the Neptunia games as well.
I like tabletop RPG's too, partially because they give you a lot more freedom by design.
>Crafting, enchanting, building, customizing
Funny enough, I'd be down for a game that let you truly tweak your character down to the very last stat, gear, and skill, and actually made it matter. In a lot of RPG's (including singleplayer ones) you really just have to grind to your desired stats, get some good gear, and then hit the attack button/spam your strongest skill/spell/whatever.
Man, if there were an RPG with the depth and skill variety of Exalted's charm system, I'd be all over that shit. Just let me have lots of different ways to approach combat or other stuff. I'm not sure that's possible in a computer RPG though.
>>15210733
>They sure feel like one. I see maxed out players with all the cool shit, best gear, crazy stats and it feels like I have to have that stuff as soon as possible or people will laugh at me behind my back.
That just makes you an autist. Seeing people with the best gear is supposed to motivate you to be as cool as them someday when you have the time/means to, not to pressure you because "people will laugh at you from your back". That pathetically egocentric; the overwhelming majority of people don't even notice you exist.
>>15210733
>>15210806
I like GW2's combat. Playing Elementalist on that game is fun and actually feels like you're playing a game, not just following a flowchart on your tabbed enemy. Even in that game there are classes that can be played mindlessly, however.
But it's not Eastern, so I guess it doesn't count as far as this discussion goes.
I'm afraid of fucking my character, so far I've been putting all my points into strsince the enemies barely do any damage, will I at some point hit a wall where mobs will 1hit me for not putting points into con?
>>15210874
get 10 con every rank cap at 40
>>15210884
What is that? I get 10 points every 40 levels?
>>15210904
every time you job adv add 10 points to con until you get 40 flat
>>15210874
>will I at some point hit a wall where mobs will 1hit me for not putting points into con?
Yeah. And then later they'll do it anyway.
What kind of character are you playing anyway?
>>15210904
I think he meant every time you move up a rank, put 10 in con until you get to 40. What's your build though?
>>15210912
I see, thanks.
>>15210917
I wanted a sword&shield kind of character and so far I've only done one class change into peltasta.
I should probably google builds or check /vg/ though.
this is corean cusoge
>>15210950
there's some shitter in the discord that loves posting similar images
>>15210931
You should use the simulators in >>15210442 and come up with a build and skill path before it's too late. Also rodelero sucks but people go 2 pelt 2 rode. into what I have no idea.
Anyway, con increases your block so you might want higher con, but at the same time swords don't need that much con.
>>15210950
That's a chinese kusoe.
>>15210967
if you use discord need to get the fuck out of /jp/
>>15210967
>in the discord
There's a /jp/ Discord?
>>15210971
make me
>>15210973
no
DISCORD IS NOT WELCOME IN /JP/
Phew.
/rog/ general
/jp/ edition
get in here /b//ro/'s
>>15210931
http://pastebin.com/KLzvpW4G
http://pastebin.com/CH68anPS
Skim over these.
>>15210969
>>15211025
I've been checking these actually, and I wasn't expecting a class that uses spears, that sounds cool as fuck. But they don't say how to spend attributes. I found some builds on the tosbase website where they add spirit and dex ontop of str and con.
I think I'll go triple hoplite next and spend a few points on the other stats that I completely ignored so far.
Thanks!
>>15210597
A few single /jp/s are playing mabinogi though, don't know about ECO.
For the topic at hand, the worst part is that ToS is just plain bad, the game itself runs awfully no matter what your tower is built out of, to the point where big world bosses and guild vs guilds run at a max of 5 FPS for someone who manages to squeeze 60 FPS out of Tera at max settings, the balance is flat out awful and every server currently has its own nerfs, buffs, bugs and content, and to add even more insult to injury, the game is mostly another boring solo-singleplayer quest based linear game until a said level limit in which you just log-in daily to do bland dungeon runs with randoms you get trough dungeon searches.
The game gives no motivation to be social with other people and is just another flat out boring grinding korean MMO.
>>15211002
/jp/server is renewal, pay2play and pay2win so you wouldn't like to discuss about it.
>>15211126
you mean iro?
>>15211137
jRO, the only non-dead official server.
>>15211146
i want to play a jro-based pserver but everybody humps koreas version
>>15211104
>But they don't say how to spend attributes.
You mean stat points? "attributes" is used for those subskills you raise to augment skills.
And your stats depend. If you're going fencer, you should be going heavy on dex since it's a dodging based class. You don't need int. You might need spr in certain cases(Fencer again) but you generally can ignore that and just get spr points from equipment.
You'd probably be going high on str and con, but you do need some dex or get accuracy and maybe a little evasion from your equipment. More crit rate is good too. So str as primary stat, con you can put to 40 and then raise it as you need like the other guy said, and get some dex. How much is up to you. If you want more crit, get more dex, if you think your crit will be high enough with finestra and some gems, then get more con. Really you can get evasion, accuracy, and crit rate from equipment/gems, so con is probably a better secondary choice. I wouldn't completely ignore dex though, but you can completely ignore spr and int.
>>15211126
>the game itself runs awfully no matter what your tower is built out of
I don't have this problem. I go to like 30 in town when bots are spamming, for the same reason lots of text in Mabi (e.g. player names) will drop me to a crawl, and like 60 everywhere else unless there are monster bits exploding everywhere.
>>15210644
mmorpgs are multiplayer based which means you need people to go anywhere. Just play a netoge or mobage if you want to solo grind your life away
>>15211327
What does being multiplayer have to do with being a race? There's nothing wrong with someone being higher or lower level than you. There's something wrong when they have no reason to interact with each other, as in this game, though.
>>15211350
People "race" to keep up with the rest of the community. Multiplayer games are shit because you need another player to do anything. There are also retards that think they can "beat" a MMO by reaching level cap and finishing all available content really fast
>>15211412
What do you mean keep up? Do you think there's one wave of people who go directly to the end? You should always be around people similar to yourself. Even then, like I said, a proper mmo should have lowbies and end gamers interacting anyway, be it powerlevelling or something like in Mabinogi and Eve where you can be useful to your senpais to a degree after getting a few skills up.
>>15211451
Now that you mention it that is kinda what this game feels like. There's no end game and there's no reason to go back to any previous area. Someone in the thread mentioned how this game's another roller coaster but I don't think that quite fits. It's more like an escalator to nowhere.
The only reason you have to stop is when you want to do a dungeon and since you need others to do it keeping up the pack is necessary. It's a lot harder to find a party for a dungeon if the vast majority of the server is too high a level for it.
I got the account name Cirno but it's on Orsha. I wanna try and get a transfer ticket to Klaipeda, but I have another unused account on there alreadyIIDXso I don't know what to do...
>>15211795
Well are there any cute /jp/sies playing on Orsha?
>>15211955
no!
>>15209558
Picked up
>>15212172
Well then play on Klaipedo so we can weab it up
>>15212275
no!
>>15211521
>there's no reason to go back to any previous area
Well there are lore reasons. Even for being on rails like a roller coaster, the world at least does change when stuff happens. NPCs from an abandoned town will go back when you save them, sometime new quests will open up, stuff like that.
It's not like most MMOs have a reason to go back to their maps though, beyond maybe farming something.
>>15210733
You have to stop thinking of your feelings and start using your brain.
Nobody is pushing you to get anything ASAP besides yourself. There's still the Role Playing Game part of an MMORPG. Make the character you want, get into the universe and enjoy yourself instead of thinking of what other people think of how you look.
Like seriously, unless you have to do dungeons or things like that, other people are a non-factor in this game, and even then you need only engage with them if you want to. And you know, consider that maybe there's also someone in your situation, just too nervous to engage in conversations with other people. You might find it surprisingly interesting to just type "Hi" and seeing what comes out. MMO's are honestly the best place to do this because it's one step above imageboard anonymity, but players have some degree of impetus over you in that sometimes, you can't progress without them. Try and talk to people when the situation presents itself, make mistakes, learn from them. You get good at interaction and make some friends along the way.
I just started playing today, but I'm on the SA server, so there's probably no chance of us hanging out, even though I'd like to if you would give me the chance.
>>15213388
wow you sound like a total creepster
>>15213388
This. I strongly support this.
/jp/ is quite a friendly board in comparison to /vg/, so I joined you weebs on Klaipeda, though my time zone is different and there are not many talkative people.
To me, this game could become an opportunity to become more open-minded. You know, despite us being weebs, every weeb is different, and it's awesome.
>>15209414
merican servwers were and still are the most underused and have the most unfriendly users as greatly showcased during the open beta where they spouted /pol/memes like no tomorow.
Stopped playing at level 140, very boring linear quest fetch MMO, got only one party to work troughout and even then it was just for one quest that was a gigantic snoozefest to do alone.
I feel as the quest system and the party level limit is just flat out to punish people who try to play together, and the fact that the game had endless goldspammers and bots when the game was pay2play-beta just shows that the game will be awful in the soon to come future.
>>15214396
>will be awful in the soon to come future
It already is dude lol
>>15214396
B-but... But...
What about cute girls doing cute things? The roleplaying, the lore?
MMOs feel much different if you are a part of a community, and the bigger it is, the more fun you get. For me, it was GW2, a pretty good game, lacking of endgame contend during the first couple of months; moreover, I suffered of boredom because I was alone. Now... The time has come to move my social faggotry to a whole new level - actually speaking to people!
I'm gonna find out whether any weeb lord is going to assemble a /jp/ guild on Klaipeda. Count me in.
>>15214442
The lore in this game is okay, but the MC is a horrible person and I feel bad playing as them. Also I hate how its required to do a few story quests to unlock places. If we didn't HAVE to do the main story, it'd be a lot better, but you HAVE to do some of the main story every time.
Honestly though, the game after 200 something is probably going to be completely different from the early game. Hopefully they add things to do other than grinding quests though because grinding in this game feels unrewarding. Even some MML music woudl help.
Also I hate campfires, but somehow they get used more than they ever did in Mabinogi. They're just not as cozy because you only use them when you're slowing down others.
>I'm gonna find out whether any weeb lord is going to assemble a /jp/ guild on Klaipeda. Count me in.
Do you really wanna pvp all day every day?
>>15214484
I do want to discuss things with people, meet new acquaintances, interact with others, etcetera. I see nice fellows on this board from time to time, it could be beneficial for us to chatter, I suppose. Maybe I'll even get to pvp, provided there would be enough content and motivation.
You know... I have a dream, a naive one. It is of living a life in a digital world with fellow anons. Of creating something big, to us or to the world, no matter. To log in only to see the comrades and talk.
Despite us being very different, varying from read-only shy guys to trollercoaster robots, while unified and having lulz simultaniously, we are able to achieve great things. This makes our lives matter. This makes the lives of poor, depressed anons happier. For many, having a spiked shell outside, there is a small, hardly noticeable twinkle of a color of the Sun. After all, deep inside, we all know we come here for the same reason.
I am no leader, but I want to share the warmth of my soul with those who I like. With time, the fire fades away, turning us into something odd, but if shared, the fire grows.
>>15213388
Come with us to Klaipeda BR-kun!
i want friends from /jp/
>>15214587
>lulz
kill yourself mootles king of memes
>>15214752
No you don't
>>15214752
Do you want to be my friend? I'm an ohayou person.
>Not playing the korean version to join japanese guilds
>>15214941
yeah lets be friends, what server are you on
>>15214752
I want to be your friend.
>>15215126
me tooo
>>15214587
>To log in only to see the comrades and talk.
I think the last time you could have anything like this without being in a circlejerk such as a discord was around 2015, we've come to a point where your dreams are nothing but history.
>>15214966
As someone who plays the korean version, I can bluntly say that the japanese guilds are pretty much all dead. Also the japanese server seems to be in stasis and in major danger of never being released.
>>15214484
>Also I hate campfires, but somehow they get used more than they ever did in Mabinogi.
I can't speak for NA/EU but I know campfires on KR/JP would be littered everywhere with at least 3 people sitting/playing music next to them in almost every map. Although the word "used to" is applied very heavily here.
>>15215274
Well now, we can at least give it a try.
>>15214484
>Do you really wanna pvp all day every day?
What do you mean by this
I am working on templar in hopes of one day making a /jp/ guild
But are guilds just used for pvp or something?
I thought it would be more like ragnarok with WoE
>>15215417
How much time will it take you to make the guild?
I'm making support so I can help everyone level.
>>15215417
>are guilds just used for pvp or something
Yeah pretty much
>>15215417
Guilds are very limited in space (start with 25, max of 35, but takes forever to actually get it to 35) so you have to be selective with who you invite.
On top of that, any other guild can declare war on you at any given time, making it a complete pain in the ass if you just wanna have a comfy guild for your friends to chat and hang out.
It also costs 1m to create the guild and 100k every week to place your guild tower.
I'm a templar, it's not really worth it.
The best feature of a guild is the dilgele farm, lets you grow large amounts of dilgele which is used to create alchemist potions.
As long as you can place your guild tower somewhere extremely remote and hard to find and stay out of the way of other guilds, you shouldn't have any problem, but if you get wardec'd, it's just a huge annoyance to everyone in your guild.
>>15215513
don't avatarfag here keep that shit in vg
>>15215513
Wow that really sucks balls
That's uninstall worthy for me honestly
>>15215438
Probably never now
Don't play this kusoge, /jp/. You're better than this.
>>15215513
Well, I guess we picked the wrong MMO.
What am I supposed to do now?
I don't want to play anymore either...
All the touhou names are taken.
Luckily i was able to get the Inubarashi surname but everything else i tried was taken.
>>15215513
I think you also forgot to link this as what an average PVP fight looks like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0P5UBPfWIw
To people who don't want to look at the video: 1~3fps in a 25~ people battle on a rig with i7 (3.80GHz) and gtx 960
>>15215568
don't shitpost here keep that shit in vg
>>15215670
Yeah, I forgot to mention that the optimization in this game is beyond terrible, involuntary wars are one thing, but the framerate when people start trying to fight you is another, it's literally unplayable.
>>15215513
>1m to create the guild and 100k every week
Is that much money hard to come by late into the game?
>>15215702
Not really, but it adds up over time, it's the least of your worries.
>>15215670
Oh, so these threads are just cheap population grabbers for 4chan guilds like the tera and ffxiv ones?
>>15215721
Pretty sure all the 4chan guilds are at max capacity with waiting lists so not really.
>>15215274
Well, I could always give it a try. If I could cheer up at least one lonely anon, my efforts will not be wasted.
>>15215062
>>15215126
>>15215222
On Klaipeda server, channel 10, this cutie will be waiting for you near the first goddess statue you ever see provided you chose Klaipeda as a starting city. I'm a little overlevelled now, but at least I hope I could show you the surroundings.
I will be standing there for three hours from now. Shy people are welcome too, I won't bite.
>>15215639
It's Inubashiri...I am sorry
>>15215840
did you meet anyone new
>>15215611
>>15215608
The art style is way too comfy for me to not play.
I'll try it out when work slows down for me. I want to hang out with cute /jp/sies and lounge about like a lazy piece of shit!
>>15215840
I wanna smell your hair!
>>15216003
Yes.
Come play with us.
>>15216103
im busy playing another kusoge
>>15215840
Three cuties added, four total.
Come on! We have a cheerful atmosphere, full of noodles, baguettes and sweet dreams. An hour and a half left.
>>15216189
that girl on the right is ugly
>>15216201
That's a male
>>15216201
>girl
The worst part of this game is being so close to the original release. There's no years of updates to catch up on or anything. This game might be completely different in even a year, just like so much has been added and taken away since last year, but everyone will be done with it by august.
>>15216341
I was already done with it yesterday!
>>15215840
>>15216189
cock goes where?
>>15216549
Here
>>15216252
>>15216330
Wait, that's a male sprite?
>>15218087
Yes.
The males in this game are just as cute as females sometimes.
>>15218132
Wonderful.
>>15218132
They also show their panties if they are pelts or highlanders.
>>15218200
Boys show their panties?
>>15218353
Only if you ask nicely.
Might make a dragoon character
Just played a few hours of this game.
It's pretty bad.
Didn't really captivate me enough, all that time waiting for... this?
Guess it will become budget weeaboo fuckboy central like Mabinobi or regular RO, but I can't really find a reason to stick with it.
>>15218645
What game were you expecting?
>>15218755
the mmo killer
>>15218755
Not him but I went in expecting a game with even a minor resemblance to RO and came out severely disappointed. The only thing thats even comparable is the art style. It's terrible.
>>15214612
I don't know if I should. I'm not really that great at being cute.
I'd also just another make Another Swordsman™ which the server is probably bursting at the seams with, but I have a real love for high HP pools and drugging myself with concentration potions and attacking reeeallly fast. I'm sure a /jp/ guild wouldn't need that.
>>15218755
Honestly? Just RO 2.0 or even 1.5.
I never really followed up on the rumors for this game, I just heard "hey the creators of RO want to Make A Good MMO Again" so I decided to go in blind and discover shit, just like with RO, but I guess that expecting an MMO not to hold your hand to the main hub and get you fully kitted out after murdering some lvl 3 "bosses" in an instance is too much nowadays.
Even beyond that, I didn't like how the maps were so simple and even lifeless, the combat was unappealing even though it tried it's hardest to make it look like hitting for 15 on a lvl 2 mob would be the same as setting off a nuclear explosion, even the music carried no weight.
I guess it really boils down to: I want a world to explore and walk around and kill one mob at a time, not droves of it in one swing, taking in the sights, learning how to navigate the map, stuff like that.
I'll try and got back to it later today, but so far, it's really, really bland. Unless you absolutely HAVE to ERP as a cute girl with other men online and are too afraid of being called ugly on TERA and FFXIV so the avatar being sprite-based limits the ways you can fuck up.
>>15218863
>I want a world to explore and walk around and kill one mob at a time
You're in luck cause past the first few maps mob density is complete shit.
>>15218838
Well, I guess I made a character on Klapeida anyway. Feel free to add me or bully me.
I sent a support ticket to transfer my team to Klaipeda from Orsha, do you think they'll do it?
The fact that I see 49 unique IP's, 236 posts and people talking ERP tier chat (not cutsey /jp/ talk) just flat out shows this is the /vg/ general trying to get more people.
Then again, when this image rings 100% true, why wouldn't they? The game is as social as a wall.
>>15219166
>ERP tier chat (not cutsey /jp/ talk)
no difference
>>15218645
You should give it a bit more than a few hours
Admittedly the first bunch of levels are boring
But now I'm 50+ and pugging dungeons I'm having a lot of fun
>>15219166
Maybe these people are just shy and/or do not know the language the weeb is using?
Social interaction is a strange thing. From one hand, normies do it like it's the basis of life, and it pretty much is, but on the other hand, we are not welcome in the society because we behave slightly different, and that's the cause of this image's author rejection, I believe.
But anyway, often it is far more simple than that.
>>15216341
There are too many things wrong with the game for there to be a 'worst' part. Calling it a kusoge might be giving it too much credit.
>>15218863
>I didn't like how the maps were so simple and even lifeless
>even the music carried no weight.
>kill one mob at a time, not droves of it in one swing
>learning how to navigate the map
You need to severely tone your nostalgia down. RO maps are a fucking shit to navigate without fly wings and almost exactly like the maps in this game. The ones that aren't consist of just an open square or a horrible maze of tiny corridors. The music is by the same people from RO as well as Granado Espada which the "creator" also worked on, and only differs in that there's less soft untz and no generic RPG music. What part of RO has you killing one mob at a time beyond the first few levels where you have no ability to? RO is a game before all that enemies banding back to a certain location and aggro caps type stuff. It is all about killing multiple enemies at a time. Have you been trying to play RO again and not making it past the first job change the last few times so you forgot how the game was?
>>15219284
>people talking ERP tier chat (not cutsey /jp/ talk)
>saten cocksucking thread.html
>kigurumi thread.html
>crossdresser threads (there was a recent one about cosplay)
>every touhou fetish thread
>>15219284
Seriously. /vg/ is largely expat /jp/s anyway.
>>15219676
There are too many people playing this game and crying like it is the first mmorpg they have ever played. It is unfinished, but this game is hardly the most problematic MMORPG I've played at the start or at any point. It's like people saying /jp/ is the worst ever now and forgetting the ~2010-2012ish era or any time this board used to get raided(all the time).
>>15219570
The reason is because the game gives you 600% exp for using the automatic party finder vs 350% for making your own or 400% for making your own with all 4 base classes. Thus people use the party finder to get dungeon parties and end up with a bunch of people they don't care about. This is compounded by the fact that they might also be using the finder because they don't want to look for or make a party themselves.
The fact that they're at a camp fire shows they don't even have a proper healer (and as a side note, I'm pretty sure the talking character is a Dievdirby from similar comics posted, which is in the cleric class, but yet he(he has a male hairstyle) is not able to provide them any heals or revives.) Dungeons last for an hour before getting booted, finished or not, so their slow going is compounded by having to take time out to take a rest because their support isn't a healer type support or even trying to cast any weak heals.
As a result, there's not a whole lot of time to be talking. They're there to kill, not to chat. Those people are probably tabbed out or in the bathroom or just quietly frustrated, wondering if they're going to finish in time to get another run in before the day resets.
>>15219976
>mmorpg thread have something in relation to softcore porn threads
I'm honestly confused on what kind of point you're trying to make, but the idea that you're comparing ragnarok maps (never played it, but just looked them up) compared to ToS maps is insane. Even in your gigantic post of text you manage to nearly make any points and at the whole end of it I can't understand if you're trying to tell me that the MMO isn't the worst or if you're telling me that it is pretty bad.
Not only that but you're somehow dragging /jp/ into a comparison of ToS and then you overanalyze a simple comic that flat out says "HOLY SHIT NO SOCIAL EXCHANGE OR INTERACTION" with the character being a bad selection of classes???
>As a result, there's not a whole lot of time to be talking. They're there to kill, not to chat. Those people are probably tabbed out or in the bathroom or just quietly frustrated, wondering if they're going to finish in time to get another run in before the day resets.
Yeah, I think you're telling people to avoid the game??
>>15220198
I'm saying RO is pretty shitty and so are lots of MMOs in general. ToS is hardly a horrible MMO. There are things to be improved, but it's no where near the blunder to the century like some people make it out to be.
>mmorpg thread have something in relation to softcore porn threads
You must be trying to be obtuse. /jp/ in general makes dumb ERP posts everywhere, not especially in this thread.
>never played it.
So you don't know what you're talking about.
>Yeah, I think you're telling people to avoid the game??
If you have to act like the faggot in the image, yes. Avoid the game. Go not-heal and be an attention whore somewhere else. Also diev isn't a bad class. Image creator is a bad player.
there are bullies here
>>15220243
>ToS is hardly a horrible MMO
so much in denial
>>15220243
Image creator isn't even a diel what the fuck are you going on about and where are you getting this retarded idea from a drawing that doesn't even have clothing. (most) Hats arent based on classes so I have to ask if you've even touched this game.
Also avoid the game heavily right now until they fix all their shitty performance which will NEVER EVER HAPPEN.
If you do play, play the korean version instead.
I managed to claim my favorite 2ho's name on Klai, but all mySteamfriends are on a different server.
It hurts.
>>15220675
What's her name???
>>15220684Toyosatomimi.
Then I found out Daoshi wasn't in the English version yet.
>>15219976
My only problem with ToS is how the relevant progression is heavily quest based, and all the relevant PVE elements are instanced. And it really kill my interest when they add instances shit, and keep the shitty quest obligatory after they fucking promised they will make it less quest focused and said there wont be any instance before the second korean CBT begins. Fuck IMC and all their lies.
im torn between playing this game and actually doing something worthwhile with my time.
>>15220753
You're on /jp/
The fuck are you doing that's "worthwhile" with your time?
>>15220763
Funposting
>>15219976
Hm, I decided to give it another spin.
No wonder the songs had no impact, the thing was at 19% by default with sound effects at 100%
Mixed it up, now I get to properly appreciate it. As far as the BGM goes, I retract my previous statement, it is pretty good.
And yeah, maybe I shouldn't nostalgia over RO so hard, it was a simpler MMO but simply because back then we didn't have an industry standard like we do now. Now I just wish the lag subsided so I could properly enjoy the combat and maybe view it in a more positive light.
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