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This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels.
What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? What have you finished? You know the drill.
So is Island better than Sakura no Uta?
>>15183527
No.
>>15183527
Yes
>>15183527
Maybe.
>>15183527
can you repeat the question?
>>15183527
None of your business.
>>15183527
Take a peek at your own shit and ask yourself whether it's better than that from day before or not.
>>15183527
The end of Sara's route is some real bullshit.
>>15184533
Prepare for more trolling further.
ランランラランアイランジャ～、戦えアイを守るため～
>>15183840
Is her hair okay?
I cant wait bishoujo mangekyou…
and guys, seriously please help eroge culture.
>>15185315
What are you saying?
>>15185293
it's a big hair
What do you think of some of the new demos coming out.
The new August game honestly felt a bit of a letdown. The art and some settings are very promising but other aspects of the game just seem so unfitting, especially the character designs holy shit. On the other hand I actually liked Giniro Haruka despite how generic it is. Maybe I have contracted a terminal case.
>お嬢様はご機嫌ナナメ
Any good? or just some eroge?
How's the imouto route?
>>15185531
moege*
>>15185531
One of the few good games made by ensemble, the protagonist is pretty good as well.
>>15185531
Its a good moege, but in the end its still a moege and nothing too awesome.
>>15185531
Sister isNBR
>>15185531
Worth playing if it interests you
>>15185425
everytime talking this problem on 2ch
and many eroge creaters were stolen to LN. not cracks only
what do you think about it?
>>15185531
It's always disappointing when games like these don't even have light femdom.
>>15185655
It's better that the good writers write LNs, honestly, because I can handle logorrhea when it's words on paper, but not when I have to keep mashing z with repetitive bgm in the background and the same cg that has been up for the last 50 lines burning my eyes.
>>15185662
Why would it have femdom? The protagonist isn't the type to be lead on during sex, if anything Shiaya's route shows he's an S and plays along with her masochism
>>15185670
I haven't read it, but from the description it sounds like MC is the main heroine's servant and the cast is full of ojou-sama. It seems like a good setup for femdom.
>>15185687
Only 2 of the girls are ojou-samas and neither of them have a dominate personality, one is lazy as fuck and the other is a masochist
>>15185731
Hence his disappointment
>>15185731
That's his point.
>>15185655
Who have gone over to LN?
>>15185742
>>15185758
You shouldn't build any expectations until you read the descriptions and character profiles for a game, why set yourself up for disappointment?
>>15185669
oh, thanks for reply.
i think recent games are too long scenario imo.
and i cant agree this opinion, many otakus are saying "too expensive. i cant pay that a picture‐story show"
thanks!
>>15185768
He's not disappointed out of his expectations being betrayed, he's disappointed because it doesn't live up the potential of the setting that he wants. Sorry dude but please at least read the posts you're replying to.
>>15185759
renya setoguchi, meteor hoshizora, romeo tanaka etc
famous writers and illustrators.
ah, and forgot it.
eaten by porn comics cause price
>>15185813
Romeo is still writing VNs, Meteor would be if Takeuchi wasn't such a moron, Setoguchi never liked making VNs to begin with and only did so because no publishing firm wanted him
>>15185768
I wasn't expecting it, I just thought that it would be an interesting addition. But I admit in the first place it doesn't make sense for regular devs to go out of their way and include degenerate stuff like femdom in moege. There are only doujin circles to fall back on but they are few and far in between. I dream that one day there will be games with femdom routes but also with actual relationship buildup instead of plain nukige. Like how sometimes you see heroines that turn out to be masochists or extremely submissive in their respective routes. But if you had one or two sadistic heroines (without them wanting to ruin MCs life), it would be nice and different for a change.
>>15185774
>picture‐story show
無理に英語話さなくていいよ...
>>15185840
Fair enough.
>>15185840
It's rare but I'm currently reading Hapymaher (final stretch, finally!!) and that's quite femdom. Not S&M or anything, but still. The girls are for the most part "having the pants on", though the protagonist isn't hetare either. It's a decent mix. For the most part.
Granted it's not a typical moege, but eh. That said, I'm not into heavy fem dom, but I personally don't like super submissive (=boring) girls, which is why I'm quite happy with something like Hapymaher. Dunno how much like it exists though. Usually it's like a more "balanced" cast in this aspect. And maybe it's not enough for you. Even the sadist loli doesn't really do much more than step on you know what with her heels while asking why he's hard if it's not feeling good.
Anyone knows if there is a release for Eve Burst Error R? I've looked in the usual places and nothing... kinda weird for a high profile game like this.
>>15185971
It's on mikocon
http://imgur.com/a/7De4U
Why did that get cancelled anyway?
>>15186464
下級生２ turning out like it did might have something to do with that.
>>15186771
There is like 5 years difference between the 2
Outside of the ones from Kiminago and Nanatsuiro Drops, how major of an appearance do the characters from the other VNs appear in the Flyable Heart fandisc? Enough that I should read them first? Or minor/quick enough that I shouldn't worry about reading them first?
Is possible to use the Island trial save data in the full version?
>>15186939
>inb4 no one here reads fandiscs
>>15185573
Wait, the fuck? Dropped.
>>15188115
Why would you pick up that game out of all things for the imouto?
How do you deal with all the teenage characters in VNs? I'm 23 and it already makes me feel like an old man.
Did I miss the purelyxcation Twitter rant?
>>15188575
Live in eternal disappointment that sensei never gets a route.
>>15188731
nothing happened
>>15188575
I have the mind of a ten year old because I never matured from having conversations with real people. This has allowed me to connect to these childish characters well as I'm as they say, a manchild.
>>15188575
Read lolige with middle-aged MCs who you can identify with
>>15188575
A few more years and it'll stop bothering you. I tend to think of it as more of a fantasy setting, since it bears little resemblance to actual high school life anyway.
If it helps, you can also remember that the people who make eroge are all in their late 30s and 40s now, as are many of the VAs.
>>15188886
I do this
>>15188886
Pretty limited genre.
>>15189252
I thought there was a fair number of them?
In the words of green:
>So our protagonist became a teacher in order to feast upon the trust of the underage children that are his students. Great goal for a model individual. Congrats to those aspiring to be a child predator, another month with a game that caters to you.
>>15189297
One of the few green rants I like.
It seems Rinne-chan wants you to play pachinko.
>>15189297
That happens only in 2 Tanuki games, as far as I know.
If you know more, I'm always interested.
>>15189489
隠恋ぼ and 通心ぼ have pretty similar situation
>>15188575
>feel like an old man
What do you mean by that?
I just way more intelligent, so children, their behavior, childish morals catered to them, all pretty retarded to me and annoying because they are presented as something wise and good. This limits things I can enjoy and spoils some good stuff too. Too bad anime culture turned to easy to please not too smart kids for profits. Declining economy is at fault I guess.
>>15189923
>I just way more intelligent
Yeah we can all tell by your stunted speech.
I always like when character development is spurred by a wise adult ranting towards dumb high schoolers
Not really. I always prefer stories when rather than having dumb highschoolers being lectured by smart adults, they just have a cast consisting of smart adults (or even smart high schoolers) instead.
>>15190656
Everyone not a high schooler is automatically a bitter oyaji
Is Koi de wa Naku any good? Gunjou no Sora o Koete was cool but love triangles not exactly my thing.
>>15188281
I need daily dose imouto.
>>15191164
>only a single heroine
>screenshots on vndb show cuter girls
Nope. I think I've heard decent things about it, but I feel like it's a really.. special kind of thing where a lot needs to fall into place for one to really enjoy it.
>>15191326
I think, this is just an idea, but I think you're approach it with the wrong mindset.
What I figure is that the novel is a love story between two people. Thus, the existence of other cuter girls is irrelevant. Because it's not a "dating simulator" you play to date girls you like. It's a story about two people's relationship in particular. It seems like your judgement there is based on evaluating a non-dating simulator work as a dating simulator. That's not a good idea. However, if you were to say "I only playing dating simulator type games (incl moege)" then I could understand your judgement.
What's the recommended route order in Chaos;Child? I've found two good walkthroughs but the routes order is different.
>>15191365
These stories don't work, if the heroine is "shit". And let's face it, looks are one factor, especially because looks often show a good amount of their personality as well.
I mean I dunno about you, but if the girl in a game like this isn't appealing.. then why would you care about all the drama and crap? Then again seeing how many VNs have enforced routes, even when it's mostly just romance, I might be in the minority here.
>>15191409
Naturally if you do not like the girl in the relationship you will not likely enjoy the story about her. However he purely was making his judgement based on the fact other girls were cuter to him. I'm finding it difficult to articulate but like I said this is a love *story* not a dating simulator. Reading the game just to date cute girls is making a mistake, that's not the kind of game it is. It's an actual story. I guess you and he are both so used to dating simulator games that the idea of a focused, meaningful romance story is outlandish.
>>15191399
1. Common End (you automatically get this on your first playthrough)
2. Yamazoe Uki (because boring and not that plot relevant)
-Make sure you get Uki's right ending. She has two named endings and only one of them is counted towards the true end requirement.
3. Arimura Hinae (same reason as Uki, also slight foreshadowing for Hana's route)
4. Kazuki Hana (more exciting than the last two heroine routes and finally stuff relating to main plot, a bit silly but fantastic finale)
5. Kurusu Nono (most relevant to main plot, also best side heroine route in my opinion)
6. True End (accessed from main menu after clearing the previous endings)
Remember to use a walkthrough after clearing Common End, because as far as I know you have to get all the right positive triggers in order to get to a heroine route.
>>15191470
Thanks a lot, mate.
Still no word on when Aki will kuru?
>>15192340
I wouldn't be surprised if they really go for an autumn release.
Slow thread. Everyone enjoying the summer?
>>15192653
It's Autumn
>>15192653
It's still cool enough to not sweat and warm enough to sit on your PC with open windows. Comfy time to play some school themed nukige.
>>15192653
Im too busy enjoying my youth filled spring
Is Wagahai any good?
>>15192776
Isn't it the equivalent of our /lit/ memes?
Why are VNs called VNs in the West and not Japan? I never really understood this phenomenon.
>>15192843
Can't call all-age games eroge.
>>15192863
Pretty sure the first commercially sold such games in the west were some shorter hentai games. At least we used to call them that back then.
>>15192843
>>15192875
It's probably due to a title being translated/released in the west with the length akin to an actual novel.
>>15192843
Westerners want to pretend they're reading high literature instead of smut.
Only one hour reading Island post demo content and already heard an awesome music track. This is gonna be good.
>>15192776
I haven't read all that much of it but it's actually somewhat funny.
>>15192843
Well, calling them eroge isn't always accurate and calling them games both makes some people annoyed and also gives a misleading impression of what they are.
>>15192843
ADV in west means stuff like Space Quest and Leisure Suit Larry.
Bishoujougemu sounds stupid as fuck and too long.
Eroge is wrong because western VNs market is heavily shifted towards all-ages stuff.
>>15193453
>western VNs market is heavily shifted towards all-ages stuff.
Ironic because all ages stuff usually sells like bricks.
>>15193472
That's puritan culture for you
All nagging 幼なじみ should be lined up and shot.
>>15193536
幼なじみ aren't good as anything but NTR fodder.
>>15193453
gyaruge
anime game
chinese picture book
>>15193536
What a waste of bullets. Just push them off a tall building.
>>15193645
Waste of energy to power the elevator. Just choke them.
Do any of you have a waifu - or yome or whatever you'd like to call it - who you discovered from an eroge? Just curious.
>>15193720
Just tell them that they are trash and that you hate them. If you're lucky, she will kill herself without any effort on your part.
>>15193720
Choking is less energy-efficient I bet.
>>15193737
Azusa from PxC2.
I normally never did waifu shit and read moege for years before PxC2 that I enjoyed but none of the girls had a lasting effect. It was fun while the game lasted, but then I went on to the next one. But then Azusa hit me in all the sweet spots, both her personality/behavior and her looks.
I guess I always had a thing for blond, petite, shy and sweet young girls, Sana from Tenshin Ranman was also very similar and she's also one of my favorites.
Can anyone recommend games that has a girl with similar design that I just described?
>>15193751
Never happens, though. All protagonists just put up with that shit.
>>15189375Bad daughter.
>>15193737
No one has struck a chord with me like LxC2's Hinata. Extremely kind and caring, always giving it her best, can cook and the times she gets embarrassed is the cutest.
>>15193800
Petite kouhais are the best.
>>15193737
I wouldn't say "waifu" or anything, but I like Kana more than any other eroge girl.
She's such a miracle. Japan agreed btw.
I had kotone marked as the worst girl before the trial but now I expect her to be the best.
Although Eliza has potential depending on how she develops.
>>15193720
Why would you allow them to ride up to the top in the elevator? They can climb the stairs like the subhumans that they are.
>>15193968
Agreed. Kotone was definetly a pleasant surprise in the trial.
>>15194041
That puts wear on the stairs. Just cut off their food supply and they'll starve eventually.
>>15194076
We could drive them into the sewers and then just forget about them.
>>15194076
But then you'll need to lock them up somehow, which could cause wear as they try to brake free. Not to mention that it would take a long time to pull off, which gives them more opportunity to be rescued.
It'd probably be best just to find a high cliff next to the ocean with spiky rocks at the bottom. Then just hurl them off.
How much longer is Island if I'm a couple hours into the Never Island part? I feel like this game has been going on forever.
Having a hard time self-inserting into Sengoku Koihime. Protagonist is way too competent, he has narrowly escaped death maybe 5 times within the first hour of the story.
Would have worked better as a donkan protagonist and Nobunaga-san would protect him out of tsundere-affection.
>>15194282
He's literally been raised and trained by Kazuto and his 51 wives, it'd be stupid if he wasn't competent. Anyway keep reading, people smarter and stronger than him show up rather quickly.
>donkan protagonist
He is a donkan protagonist,
>>15194162
Not sure since I didn't time how much it took me to play each part, but I'd estimate you're well over the halfway point, maybe even 3/4 depending on which scene you're on right now. The part after Never Island is pretty short, shortest of all other routes at least.
>I feel like this game has been going on forever.
I can certainly agree to that. Karen and Sara's routes weren't that fantastic and it feels like there was a lot of padding and pacing problems with some parts of the game in general and especially the writer recycling (not a spoiler if you've gotten to Never Island)amnesiafelt kind of cheap way of conveniently delaying the actually important main plot.
Even though in retrospect much stuff ended up paying off and making sense in the final parts of the true route it didn't really help when I was actually reading those slow-paced parts, and sometimes feeling that the main plot advanced at snail pace.
I'm going to miss Itou Life.
https://twitter.com/itolife/status/728590158799343616
>>15194552
That's disappointing
>>15194552
Doesn't look like he retired from porn world itself, just parted with moonstone.
>>15194552
Why? His characters look awful.
>>15192956
>Implying some eroges aren't high form of literature
Just make them into real books and remove the porn and the authors will get fucking Nobel prize.
>>15192956
>high literature
Doesn't exist
>>15195743
Removing the porn isn't even necessary. Just ask Murakami.
>>15193536
Iagreewith this notion
>>15195743
hi Conjueror
>>15194433
The character interaction is funny, at least, I'll give it that. It's mostly that Karen's and Sara's routes were basically irrelevant altogether, unless they somehow tie into the true end later. I definitely did not expect there to also bean entire second part of the story when I thought the game was about to end, though Never Island is surprisingly enjoyable so far.
I really wish the game wasn't all ages because I want some scenes withprostitute Karen. Actually, it kind of pisses me off that it teases you like that.
I've been reading lolige and is it just me or are all of them pretty much the same shit even down to character designs?
>>15196051
That's easy to explain biologically. The younger they are, the less time they've had time to diversify. Both physically and mentally.
>>15196079
You just scientifically proved that lolige are the worst genre. Congrats.
You also implied that grannyge are the best. Why are there no grannyge?
>>15196122
Wrinkles are offputing.
>>15196180
It's 2d. You don't need to include those. You can even pull a 60 year old virgin thing with it being totally new and fresh! No need for contraception either!
>>15196247
>No need for contraception either!
As if its used or even mentioned most of the time anyways
So, time to spend this sunny Sunday with this 2d (soon to be) girlfriend.
Btw, why does the cation series always have 3 girls with big breasts and one flat girl with a generally petite body? Am I really the only one who likes the "in between"? Sometimes I really thing some Japanese people don't differentiate when I see certain girls with C cups being described as having "no chest"..
>>15196417
>Am I really the only one who likes the "in between"?
Yes, you normal-lover.
>>15196417
>Am I really the only one who likes the "in between"
I generally prefer that or smaller, yeah, so it's a bit offputting when a VN has pretty much only cowtits heroines. I don't really care outside of the H scenes, but the giant tits ruin the fappability of the H scenes to me.
>>15196417
I think the whole either having massive breasts or none is the thing which made me a lolicon when it comes to 2D, because I can't stand cowtits.
>>15196417
I feel your pain. I like them just a bit smaller than average, but that's very rare in eroge.
>>15196436
This. I actually like both DFC and big tits, but it's like some eroge devs have no sense of what is too fucking huge so it becomes ridiculous and unappealing.
>>15196417
I found the girls in lovelyxcation 2 to be perfect size. All of them. They weren't too big.
>>15196417
I'm not sure if the art of PurelyxCation is cute or not.
>>15196594
The faces look awful.
Are there any VNs that have routes like Makina's from Grisaia? Pretty much MC acts as her bodyguard in her route, and they're constantly on the run from an organization that's trying to assassinate her. It has this feeling of MC and the heroine against the world which I really enjoyed. I'm downloading Akatsuki no Goei but I don't know if it's any good.
>>15193858
I don't have one from an eroge but if I did it might very well be Kana
>>15196612
>It has this feeling of MC and the heroine against the world which I really enjoyed.
-Scarlett has a side girl with no H-scenes under the other protagonist's protection, and it plays an important part in the first chapter of the game, though there's other characters involved too so it's not just the protagonist and heroine. She's involved in the later chapters as well, but not as a major character. Probably the best fitting example I can think of.
-(spoiler brackets for game name in case since it's a minor first chapter spoiler)Bansenjinhas a "MC and heroine vs. entire world" setup you described with the other protagonist, though I had hoped the game would have utilized it betterwith more active confrontations between both protags and their own heroines.
-I didn't play you know which heroine's route in Muramasa due to it being optional, but I assume her route would be exactly what you're looking for as well when it comes to whole world being their enemy, though there's no bodyguard type stuff.
-It's been a really long while since I played eden*, but IIRC the protagonist acted as a sort of bodyguard to the heroine, though the game is more about drama rather than any action.
-Steins;Gate may be bit of a long shot, but I'd say there's some elements that could definitely be considered the ones you described, though in this case it's more the protagonist acting on his own rather than with the heroine.
-One heroine route of Baldr Sky fits the bill as well, though the actual "escape from every organization" part is towards the end of her route. My favorite white knightable heroine in any game ever though.
>>15196817
Thanks for the in-depth post. This will keep me busy for a while. I'm a sucker for this theme.
Are there any decent moege with the theme of "suddenly girlfriend out of nowhere"?
Basically what I'm looking for is a story where for whatever reason a girl is madly in love with you right from the start (maybe she's been stalking you without your knowledge, or protagonist hit his head, got amnesia and forgot about his girlfriend, but whatever explanation is fine), while the protagonist slowly warms up to her.
>>15196909
>maybe she's been stalking you without your knowledge
This is my fetish. I'm also curious if there's stuff like this out there.
>>15196938
Renai Phase
>>15197086
>G cup
>H cup
>G cup
>A cup
Oh look, another one!
>>15197086
>Renai Phase
>Hobbies: Sitting on Protagonist's lap
Nice.
Finished the common route in Chaos Child.
Think it's interesting so far but the pacing is really slow. It's especially bad in the 11th chapter. Was hard to keep myself from ctrling through.
Hopefully the other routes don't have that problem and that the true route delivers.
Also, if you were spoiled about who the 犯人 is like me then you shouldn't worry about it too much because that gets revealed way before the common route even ends.
There's plenty more things going on.
>>15197086
>Blond A-cup deredere, kind, shy, taciturn kouhai
Thanks anon, downloading at the speed of light.
>>15197086
Than-
>>15197104
Dropped.
>>15197213
Yes, very qt.
Hope she has anal sex scene.
>>15197086
>giga
eehhh...
>>15197509
How are their moege? I only really played Baldr games from GIGA.
Finally finished the trial.
Things I liked -
All the girls were pretty awesome.
The setting.
The CGs. The water coloring is gorgeous.
The music.
Things I didn't like -
The main character's voice. He sounds like a downs kid who watched too many samurai movies. Never had a problem with voiced MCs before but I had to turn his voice off.
The MC in general. He's boring. Also, probably Japs can relate better, I can't relate to his constant rants about bujin this and honor and duty that. Maybe because I'm a gaijin in the military, but I actually related to Elza the most.
The overall tempo of the story feels too rushed. Events don't have any build up. They just kind of happen one after another. Instead of drawing out any sense of tension or urgency from the reader, it just feels like the author(s) are going down a checklist of things they needed to happen in story. The end result was that I didn't really care for anything that was happening to the characters.
Sort of tied to the last point, but the fights, while the effects are great, have zero tension, and thus end up just boring.
Overall, the trial gets a "meh" fro me. This is coming from someone who loved Eustia and Daitoushokan so I can't say that I'm not at least a little disappointed.
What'd the rest of you guys think?
>>15197808
Parfait is really great and konnyaku is pretty good too, the kiss series from the ones I've tried is mediocre to bad.
I want this thing to end up already, FOR FUCK SAKE! STOP TROLLING ME YOU FUCKING BASTARD
>>15197964
Fuck I hadn't played MLA yet you asshole.
>>15197964
>>15197971
This is Island spoiler image.
Heh, while she is usually not talking much and has trouble expressing herself a bit.. if you let her or give her a tiny push, you get pic related.It's cute.
Going by the AS thread(s) it seems the crack for the new Cation game is kind of buggy and won't let you complete parts of the game. Have any if you experienced this or have they fixed it?
>>15198099
The V3 Crack should have fixed it.
>>15198099
V3 seems to work fine for the most part. The previous versions caused you to automatically fail a few stat checks, but V3 fixed that.
Played through Sumire and Hikari routes without a problem, currently doing Mai's and the only issue I had was that the game automatically booted me to the title screen at the 17th of April after showing what seems to be an advertisement for the full version that you would see in a trial. This was fixed by simply restarting the game. The only really noticeable problem I've been having is that the scaling seems to be messed up even though my monitor is set to the game's native 720p. Nothing major, though as a result half my screenshots ended up a bit messed up.
Speaking of PurelyxCation, at times it kind of feels like they just want to drop the already minor dating sim elements and just make a regular game. Most of your possible choices at the beginning seem to matter for fuck all since there's only 6 stats and none of the protagonist's dialogue seems to reflect said choices and there's nothing particularly interesting happening in the activity selection. Mai's route seems to be the only where they actually put any effort into it: there's several points where she joins you on your activity selection and you get a different scene depending on what area you go to (and there's new scenes for repeated visits, too). We actually played some goddamn video games (one of the hobbies I picked during character creation) too, though for all I know it might just be the same regardless of what you picked.
I skipped PrettyxCation 2, though, so I maybe what I'm complaining about already happened back then.
>>15198306
>so I maybe what I'm complaining about already happened back then.
It didn't, the gameplay side of the game was easier but you still had to meet requirements, obtain the right items and such
>>15197814
I'd agree about the MCs voice, although it's not so bad I need to turn it off. I don't mind the MC himself too much as I don't self insert.
I also prefer stuff moving quickly. Like you say the fights had no tension but I view it as they were short enough that I didn't get bored. I much prefer it to hour long fights with "tension" like in chuuni-shit. To me the more fights are like watching a quick paced action movie rather than reading some autistic dude's wankery the better.
As for the overall tempo of the story, the last hour or so was a bit weird but before that I didn't have too much of a problem with it. I don't really like how they seem to be building towards some crazy 呪力使い as the big baddie. I think it would have been a lot more interesting otherwise. And I also think that"mind control" is a fucking lame way to create drama and has pretty much never been done in an interesting way, but assuming it was the sword (which was destroyed) that caused that maybe it won't pop up again.
Since they initially claimed it would be more a slice of life feel, I'm not really sure what to expect since the intro was of course much more of a Eustia feel.
So I check the CG set for Purely Cation and I see like 10 pages of H-scenes for each girl. I don't know why they got an artist that can't draw. I'm guessing the routes are nukige-lite as usual so hibiki messed up big time.
>>15198306
How's my screen >>15198092 looking in comparison to yours? This one is taken from "fullscreen" (ctrl+enter), and then resized. (alt+prt doesn't work too well, as that makes the top-bar pop up as well which I don't want)
Outside of that, I'm at april 24th and never got something weird around april 17th.
Gameplaywise I do agree. I feel like this blind dating-sim thingy makes no sense. Choices are obvious and the only question is which stat to raise when.. and if you know which stats are important (aka the first two + the girl specific additional one?) it's like a no-brainer.
That said, your stats do affect choices to an extend. But if you focus on one girl and don't get the wrong ones, nothing should ever matter. (but I did get one.. "choice" with another girl, where I could only choose the choice that's essentially the obvious "bad" one) What attributes and such mostly affect is if you get optional events. I don't think you'll get to know if your stats are too low though... so you may very well think "I've not missed anything", while having missed several events.
Weird VN, but whatever. スミ is cute.
>>15198424
There are definitely inconsistency problems. Sumire's degree of loli-ness seems to vary by the CG, on some places she just looks small/petite while on others she looks very loli (the CG where she's sitting in a restaurant in particular). Pretty sure the latter was the intention, considering the writer used the expression 子供のおまんこ a few times.
>>15198425
Looks fine on yours, maybe it's just a problem on my end. It only happens on fullscreen, anyway.
Sumire is truly the cutest.
>>15198306
So we keep getting worse artists, changes in writers and even dumbed-down dating sim gameplay. And in my opinion also heroines appealing to more mainstream values with less pronounced personalities, though feel free to correct me on the last point since I never played all the routes in any of the games. I thought of this before, but it really seems the publishers' current business practice is just relying on brand recognition and cutting down production values as much as possible for future titles, after the first two fantastic titles in the series. What improvements have they actually made apart from e-mote? Do their Japanese fans keep sucking it up?
>>15198527
>degree of loli-ness seems to vary by the CG
This is so common in VNs actually. Just like fluctuating chestsize.
>>15198539
I think this is still a matter of taste. To me the first two cation games have the "worst art".. aka the art I like the least of all the cation games. Also the writer of the newest cation isn't bad as far as I am concerned. I don't know much of orgel, but I've read Shinikiss and the sister-route with her plot was incredibly well done in my opinion. (the "main-plot" however wasn't. At all.) And I think Tonakoi was also relatively well received for a moege? So really, there shouldn't be anything to complain about here. It's probably the "best" writer the series ever had.. though that's still up to taste as well of course.
>>15198539
I agree that the art is worse than the Lovely games, though for all its problems I think I like PurelyxCation's art better than PrettyxCation 1's. The heroines are all a lot more visually appealing. I ended up only doing the russian weeaboo's route because the rest didn't really grab my attention. The gameplay downgrade is a shame too, not for the gameplay mechanics themselves but because back in LovelyxCation 2 there was a truckload of items to discover and they all had their little description and icon, which made it all the more enjoyable. That sort of fluff is what made the gameplay fun.
I wouldn't say the heroines themselves are getting worse (I'm liking all heroines this time around, that's something most games fail to accomplish), though I do remember the writing being good instead of merely average back in LxC2. Of course, maybe it was due to the art and the dating sim elements that made it all much better rather than the writing itself being better, but still.
I'm not keeping up with what Japan thinks of this months releases, though at least in this general there seems to be some people who are more interested in the possible drama from the game getting cracked than the actual game itself so maybe you're on to something.
>>15198556
It's usually not this bad. Or maybe I just don't usually notice.
>2016/05/27 発売
So Liber_7 is pretty much confirmed for delay, right?
>>15198306
Yep.
Removing all the silly items was another shitty thing for them to do to. In the other games it boiled down to just raising Vit/Dex/Int and whatever your chosen heroines interests were, but at least there was some variety to what you picked instead of just picking the same three choices all game long.
Another thing with Purely Cation is it feels to me like they went back to only havibf a handful of variations of each Lovely Call like in the first game so it winds up sticking out in a lot of the lines, or didn't try very hard to match them with a given line.
>>15199027
who gives a shit, it's just poor man's chuuni really
What are top 5 VNs of this year?
>>15198727
>It's usually not this bad. Or maybe I just don't usually notice.
Granted the CGs can look rather different from even the "sprites" here. Perhaps because of emote as well, but it feels at times like it's a different character. Eh, weird.
GOB was rather popular I guess
>>15198306
>there's several points where she joins you on your activity selection and you get a different scene depending on what area you go to
Do they do this as often as yuuki's route in LxC1? I found that aspect of the route to be very fun.
>>15199262
Still didn't get it right.
>>15199151
Im really disappointed they decided to go along and get rid of the items. Sometimes heroines would mention an item offhand that you can go out and find in exchange for extra dialogue.
Something offhand ive noticed but is the artist incapable anything other than long haired girls? That doesnt seem to be the case considering Hikari has a ponytail when she plays basketball. A little variation would be nice.
>>15199524
Yeah all girls have almost the same looking fringes, same long hair, same face/expressions, same body type except for breast size. You have the teacher who looks exactly like the high school girls except her breasts are slightly bigger.
>>15199524
>>15199561
This was probably requested. There hasn't been a short haired girl in cation since the very first game. Sure, you have a ponytail or whatever her and there, but most have very similar looking long hair. Kinda like with the chest-size. Doubt this was decided by the artist.
noratoto is so fun
>>15197814
>What'd the rest of you guys think?
>>15159247
>>15172416
And don't mind the MC, his voice and ideals. I'd say he fits well into the game.
Is there a database of how many H scenes each route on average has? The tags on vndb are kind of vague and under-used.
God this VN is so fucking stupid
I just want to get to the actual routes already
>>15200043
I normally fucking hate cowtits with a passion, but for some reason those CGs don't actually bother me that much. Maybe I'll give it a shot. Seems to be fun based on the EGS comments.
>>15200907
If you don't like the common route don't even bother with the character routes, honestly for me the superior part of the game was the common route.
>>15197991
Say that first, idiot.
>>15197814
>constant rants about bujin this and honor and duty that
Sounds unbearable.
>>15201018
I'm just in it for the sayori H-scenes.
The common route was great until they started focusing on each girl one by one and basically made you do a mini route for each.
It's really starting to drag a bit now.
>>15201087
Well I won't deny the ero is lewd. I also started it for Sayori but I enjoyed the common route much more than the character routes. Sayori art is nice and all but the ero is pretty standard fare.
That said, that game made me like Ayumi Sara so it wasn't all that bad later in the chara routes.
>>15201112
>Ayumi Sara
She does her natural voice in LOVEREC., I wish they gave her more roles like that instead, although her soft voice is fine too. One of my favorites.
if moege arent dating sims
but rather are watching a relationship develop,
why dont they show mc faces?
Why is Karen such a slut?
>>15201560
Because they want you to envision yourself as the MC more or less. Immersion.
>>15201569
Why she?
>>15201569
Whore, anon, she's a whore, a bad one at that.
>>15201560
Actually many moege does show MC's face and he usually looks like a kind hearted cute boy with dark hair. I also found that this is somewhat of a recent trend, back in the days MC would not even have a silhouette.
>>15201569
Is she? Dropped.
>>15202230
>>15202313
Island spoilersThere's a scene in her route where you're tricked into thinking she NTR'd you
Her alternate self is a literal prostitute who tries to fuck the MC for money on multiple occasions
Her regular version at the end also considers working as a hostess/prostitute (though it seems she doesn't actually do it)
>>15202844
>Her regular version at the end also considers working as a hostess/prostitute
Still a whore, then.
>>15201130
I've been playing through Bokubatsu since a few days ago and she plays a tsun/tsukkomi role there most of the time. If that's what you mean by her natural voice then its pretty nice, but I guess I prefer the soft spoken version of her like in Koikuma.
Yahata Nanami's voice is surprisingly nice in Bokubatsu, though. Very soothing. I've been pleasantly surprised by some of the new-ish blood in VAs lately.
If you were a girl you would be a slut too.
>>15203048
True.
>>15202844
Picked the fuck up.
So what's the deal with sex scene's in VNs, really? I get that a lot of VNs need a porn aspect to sell well, but most of the time it's not even sexy. It's just super fake generic moaning and exaggerated slurping sounds over censored CG. I usually just skip them. Who are these people who actually buy VNs just for the sex scenes and then fap to it? I don't get it
>>15203869
I guess developers are scared to deviate from the standard. The Japanese eroge fanbase is quite autistic, and will condemn a company forever if they ruin their waifu experience. I think it was elf that was ruined forever because of an NTR scene or something, thought that's a bit different.
>>15203869
They're eroge not VNs. I rarely read the H-scenes either unless I'm reading a nukige but I realize that this isn't the norm and most of the target audience prefers H-scenes over actual relationship stuff.
>>15203869
I think it's not even necessarily about the fap, but rather about relationships also going there. If you'd do all-ages VNs all the time, we'd get tons of VNs with routes/romances that stay around "kissing" at most, or even end the moment the confession gets accepted.
Of course all the ero also has a down-side, which is the same thing really. You basically won't find much VNs without at least a decent focus on romance and the MC hooking up with someone during the plot, because otherwise including sex is hard. (except if it's some rape story or whatever, but I don't think you need to wonder why sex is in those in the first place..)
I personally think that both "styles" have their worth and I don't want either of one to disappear. In fact I wouldn't mind a few more VNs that stray away from the heavy "romance" and "waifu" focus. There are many stories that'd be better without it. But that's hard. After all you'll need to sell with your story then and can't just rely on tits and ass anymore.. which apparently still works really well in Japan, so yeah.
>>15203869
I kind of view at as the marker of a real relationship so although I don't really care about sex scenes I do appreciate just the fact that the characters have sex. Which makes all-ages versions of eroge better than non-eroge even though neither has sex scenes.
You could also argue that seeing the heroine naked in a sex scene makes you more attracted to them which in turn makes you sympathize more with the protagonist.
I definitely skip most of them though and think they are usually way too long in plot-ge. They should only be as long as the author can stay interested in writing them.
>>15203908
>most of the target audience prefers H-scenes over actual relationship stuff
I know it kind of makes sense if you're just reading it because you wanna fug cute anime girls, but it's kind of a shame that it's like that. That's why I was asking >>15200901, so that I could see whether or not it was a moege that just pumps the routes full of H scenes or not. I guess I could look at CG sets on panda, but I'd rather know without having to look at all of the CGs before reading.
>>15204141
>Which makes all-ages versions of eroge better than non-eroge even though neither has sex scenes.
And what if the non-eroge one has implied and referred to later sex scenes, like Island for example?
>>15204159
That's fine it's just less common. Having sex scenes is a guarantee that the relationship isn't pussy middle school shit, whereas there is no such guarantee for all ages stuff
>>15204174
>Having sex scenes is a guarantee that the relationship isn't pussy middle school shit
Kids having sex in middle school is more common than you think, so sex scenes in eroge don't make the relationship more mature.
>>15204159
I find it funny when this happens in actual eroge. I've already had it twice in Sumire's route in purely cation already. The sex-scene was essentially skipped. (I mean there are enough as is, but it's a bit weird)
A similar thing happened in a route of Seisai no Resonance, where you get two scenes, but several more are happening offscreen via "fade to black".
>>15204195
>Kids having sex in middle school is more common than you think
That just makes the idea of a relationship where they do nothing but kiss even sillier. Why are you arguing? What are you trying to convince me of?
>>15204315
Who's arguing? I'm saying sex doesn't make a meaningful relationship. It's an easy and shallow way out for talentless writers to give the impression of the relationship deepening without actually having to put effort.
Hey, let's discuss how Island and Sakura no Uta are the best VNs of the last 5 years.
>>15204359
> It's an easy and shallow way out for talentless writers to give the impression of the relationship deepening without actually having to put effort.
I'm like 100% sure that's not the reason they do it.
>>15204372
Are these just memes or are they actually very good?
>>15204424
They're on par (or at least close) with games like SubaHibi and Muramasa, for what that's worth.
>>15204420
It's not the entire reason but part of it. Otherwise most games wouldn't turn into nothing but sex scenes once you hit the heroine routes.
>>15204440
>Otherwise most games wouldn't turn into nothing but sex scenes once you hit the heroine routes.
I don't read shit games.
>>15204435
bait
>>15204598
>Stop liking what I don't like
Whenever a game starts off with a harem H-scene it makes me want to drop it right away.
>>15204424
>Are these just memes or are they actually very good?
Island was definitely pretty good, but had some pacing issues and the side heroine routes weren't that stellar. In my opinion the main plot didn't move fast enough or there was not enough other interesting stuff happening that would keep the player constantly hooked, thus you got me and apparently at least two other people here in this thread sometimes just wanting the game to get on with it and end. However I liked the actual plot elements and twists themselves a lot.
I'd rank Island around the same level as Himawari, with Himawari having better middle parts, one great side story and a fantastic "fandisk" while Island had better overall twists and a more satisfying ending. Both games also had the problem of using the protagonists' hetareness or other inabilities (like Island recyclingamnesia in Never Island, though it also served as a plot element regarding) as a way of postponing them actually seeking answers to main mysteries and advancing the main plot. I was actually really disappointed in this because Island's common route first made me expect a super proactive protagonist.the "time travel"
As for how Island compares to other games, I wouldn't really agree with the other anon. In my opinion Island is nowhere near "kamige" levels of Muramasa (or Steins;Gate if we want to bring up anything even remotely similar), and Sakura no Uta wasn't really SubaHibi tiers of uniqueness either (at least from the parts I played, I haven't finished even a route due to it not managing to hook me). Though I think comparing these very different games is a bit silly. Games like Himawari and Island focus a lot more on character drama rather than constantly moving the main plot forward with action or mind-boggling mysteries, though there's some amount of those too.
What I'm trying to say here is that while Island was pretty good and in retrospect many things made sense after the final route and made me respect some of the less interesting parts more too, the game as a whole didn't manage to hook me as much as many of the popular "kamige" that are brought up constantly.
>>15205082
I can feel you and I almost dropped はるまで、くるる because of that. Glad this thread encouraged me to stick through it.
>>15205082
僕と恋するポンコツアクマ comes to mind, but it wasn't that bad
>>15205173
Can I read Island before Himawari?
>>15205236
Yes, they're completely unrelated. At best you're going to see only a few referential jokes.
>>15205173
Never Island in particular was way too long. It was twice as long as it needed to be. The twists(like Kuon being Rinne from the "future", and the "future" actually being the past)you could also see coming a mile away.
Great game overall, but probably more 8/10 or 9/10 material rather than a true kamige. The best part was the comedy honestly
>>15205622
I thought Never Island was the perfect length, it's the first routes that are too long for their own good
>>15205622
>the "future" actually being the past
You got that wrong by the way
>>15205693
Can you explain?
Finished Sumire's route in purely cation. Once the confession was done I felt things got considerably worse.. or rather, boring. It wasn't terrible, but I don't think I'll play another route anytime soon. Also it lacks any kind of focus/plot later on, which doesn't help either. At some point it then just.. ends. I dunno.
That said, up until the confession and the first few days after it were pretty good in my opinion. So worth a play in some regard. A "perfect" Sumire playthrough has around 500kb+ sjis text so length-wise it's not too much of a time investment either. Especially if you skip h-scenes.
>>15205825
Is it the same as other xCation games and just starts spamming you with porn after the confession?
>>15205866
>starts spamming you with porn after the confession
Wait, they do that? Why are they praised then? Everything up until then? Or are you exaggerating the number of H scenes?
>>15205889
I haven't played them all, but something like that.
A few hours of dating, getting to know each other, then first kiss -> sex every 20 minutes.
It's still worth playing them, though. The dating part is fun, and the in-between sex parts are very heart warming.
>>15205889
10 per girl in lovely. (one has 9.. for whatever reason)
>>15205866
It's not that bad. I mean I dunno exactly as I skipped most of them, but I'd say they are like 30% of the scenes afterwards or something for sure. There's definitely still a significant amount of other scenes though.
That said it's not like anything is really happening, so the h-scenes aren't really interrupting anything or whatever.
>>15205889
For me the enjoyment I get from these games are up until after the first sex scene. There are still some scenes that have you and the heroine you chose go on dates and other ichaicha scenes but I feel they kind of bombard you with too many sex scenes(4-5 is enough).
>>15206053
I think even with less h-scenes the problem still remains.
The "routes" after the confession have no substance. If you think of what happens and try to apply it to the real world, it would work. Like you get up in the morning, go to school and meet your girlfriend on the way so you can spend a few minutes with her before you can't see her for hours and have to bother with school. In the same way watching a movie together would mean you.. actually watch a movie. Same for any other activities.
Purely Cation however cuts all those things out and reduces everything to small dialog scenes with the girl. You can't really appreciate those that much, as those are all you get. It's not special to see the girlfriend during lunch as you just got the last scene 5seconds before.
Most VNs actually have a red string for some kind of story or whatever to keep one hooked. Or they actually bother with describing stuff/events and go past simple dialog. Or have other cast and "story time" every now and then, making any "one on one dialogue" scene with the girlfriend special. Gives quite a different impact, if you ask me. Purely cation just ends up being some weird meh "routine" after the confession. Perhaps the other cation games do as well, didn't play them.
>>15205889
The only one that really gets almost universal praise is LovelyxCation 2. LxC1 had shitty drama in some routes and the rest of the series is thought to be a downgrade from LxC2.
It's not an exaggeration, though, the Cation games really do have a ton of H scenes, but they generally are decently spread out between the cute stuff. What separates the series from other typical moege is that the common route is very short and the individual routes are totally focused on dating your girl of choice (really, it's like the rest of the heroines stop existing, which is honestly a pretty fantastic thing even if it might sound like the writer just erased characters for no reason), the dating sim elements (though they are pretty light and simplistic, mind you, it's not a full fledged dating sim) and the work it does at being immersive and generally being a girlfriend simulator (customizable protagonist, the Lovely Call system which lets the heroines call your selected name for maximum self-insert action).
The developers also keep adding DLC (Append Life) every month, which adds more scenes (both regular and H scenes) with the heroines and gives you a reason to keep the game installed in your hard drive.
I'd only consider LxC2 to be a must play for fans of moege and straightforward cutesy stuff, but you can check out the rest if any of the heroines catch your attention. At the very least, the fact that they have short common routes and individual routes focused exclusively on dating makes them what I'd describe as "bullshit-free moege", by which I mean that you don't need to suffer through hours of dumb plot and heroines you don't care about and quickly get to what you actually wanted. Maybe some people find this too plain and want something else to spice it up, but I feel that many companies could learn from this.
>>15206158
The problem with cutting out all the "bullshit" is that you get too much of a good thing... being inundated with non-stop icha is precisely why LxC got so boring after the confession. Interspersing romance with a story is a far superior practice in my opinion, even if it often ends up seeming like the vegetables are bullshit getting in the way of the steak you want.
>>15206198
I think it's fine. I mean, I find myself having a 100% save file on hand and and using it just to view the H scenes of a lot of games sometimes.
>>15206198
Well, ultimately the problem is with the writers themselves rather than the concept. There's companies like Yuzusoft and August that don't fail to deliver in that regard.
I'm probably just a being a negative nancy because I played a few too many games by throwaway companies that try to have some side dishes but they end up getting in the way of enjoying your steak.
