"First blood"

>>15168541
no if you are on nutaku there is no such thing
what dark day on nutaku FKG get "localized" and agis "locaization" continues

>>15168541
Lavender says no.

>>15168541
Girls don´t bleed silly lad.

Worth getting a perfect Imelia, or no? I do lack physical duelists.

>>15168774
periods?

>>15168784
Apparently yes, but as always be prepared to shell out some serious crystals for it.

Personally, I'm setting my standards much lower than perfect.

How useful is Sandra in pre AW teams? I'm not really at the point where I need a good dueler but it seems like her skill can trivialize a couple maps.

>>15168809
Not really useful, she is more of a niche unit than a reliable one, also she is a subpar duelist. Swormasters are only good for their skill, she can be useful in the crystal daily, but if you want a more solid unit, you wont find it in her or any swordmaster.

>>15168877
Who are good duelists, anyway? Princesses? Bandits?

Holy shit ?-3 is fucking annoying. How the hell do I even get ANY teams to both the top fights fast enough? I even went speed setup and put the fastest teams on that route and they're still too slow because of the fucking webs.

>>15168889
1. Have Lilac/Dipladenia to ignore webs
2. Place really slow units to your non-top route teams to lower their average speed, it doesn't matter if they're weak.
3. Weaken your non-top route teams so that they can kill the small fry/middle boss but die to the final boss.

Any of the Nutaku Aigis spotlight units worth rolling for? Or should I wait?

>>15168898
Adele is solid, Anelia a treasure. Sophie a monster. I rolled 15 times and got no one. Spotlight is a joke. Hope you get more luck anon, they are worth it.

>>15168883
Bandits, Valks, Angels and some AW units. Nearly all units that have some defensive means (HP or Def) to stay by themself and not disrupt too much the healers and dish some good damage.

>>15168928
I see, thank you.

I have Nadia to fit that role in a pinch, but nobody else. Should I raise Shizuka for the job, since she has consistent self-healing and a neat AW skill that gives her 3x attack/defense for the duration?

>>15168877
Which level of crystal daily is she useful for, specifically? Just god, or expert too?

And what level should she be, at a minimum, to be useful for it?

>>15168979
Nadia is among the best duelist ever, awaken her as soon as possible, only thing she can't tank by herslef is the 5k damage golem, everything else is just an scratch to her. Shizuka is not really worth it because her cost, but if you see you are using her a lot, go and AW her, but keep in mind that she will need a good priest when her skill isnt up.

>>15168917
Thanks.

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Reminder that Nutaku have a time travel machine and isn't afraid of using it.

>>15169040
Cern confirmed?

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Fucking priority gacha.

>FKG limited gacha
>I'll just do single rolls until I get Lilac
>25 rolls later
>all 3*/4* dupes and not a single Lilac

Fuck me, this boosted rate is even worse than Aigis.

I loaded up and got Lilac and Toad Lily back-to-back immediately after, but fuck me, I got trolled hard.

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Had 20 spare crystals so I decided I'd try to get Sophie. Got those four instead. I swear plat units seem to love me for whatever reason...

So I remember someone said that Marr was pretty good, how good is she compared to the other healers ? I play with Camilla, Chydis and Iris.

>>15169096
>single rolls
>25 rolls
you had 125 gems? why not 10+1 2 times and then 5 singles?
missed 2 free rolls there m8

Nutaku Cymbidium should be in two weeks with the next event, right? Or is she further out than that?

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>>15169088
>>15169096

All this gold-getter scum. You know no suffering.

>>15169125
Because I only wanted Lilac and don't care enough for the other two in the spotlight. I didn't think I would get fucked that badly with 10 or so silver dupes.

Seriously, three Violetta Tulips when I already had a maxed one and 2/4 on a second one is a huge kick to the balls.

>>15169120
Replace any of your healers with Marr, she's typically the first healer you want out and at 17 cost its easy enough to do.

Marr is best unit that heals in Nutaku version.

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>>15169120
Also, Damn you to hell too. Come here, come here...

In the colourful gardens of map ?-3, there is only suffering.

>>15169120
Also use those rainbow fairys on her, she gets a huge boost from her skill getting upgraded.

>>15169148
>>15169170
Okay thanks, I guess she'll be a good replacement for Iris.

New to aigis, can anyone explain the thing with the stamp cards? If I spend 50sc during a month, the next stamp will be upgraded? How do I get the other tiers above the special one then?

So it is recommended that whenever I spend sc, to do it in interval of 50?

>>15169260
spend 50 and get special, spend 100 get deluxe, spend 150 get legend. Simple. Optimal would be aiming for deluxe for the extra 5 SC.

>>15169268
Forgot to say, you can also save for Legend for the guaranteed plat+ ticket if on DMM. 150 takes time tho.

>>15169260
Yes thats right, 50 SC spent for the special, 100 SC spent for the deluxe and 150 for the legend card. Then theres the 250 card on DMM with the plat+ ticket and cost reduction fairys.

I'd ignore the special, go for Deluxe if you can but the legend card is great for all the fairys.

>Anelia's BRIONAC skill lets her attack 5 enemies at once

Damn this girl is a cute monster. And yes her and Imelia's skills are in ALL CAPS for some reason at least on the Reunion map

>>15169268
>>15169291
Gotcha

>>15169291
How much in USD is 250 sc on DMM?

>>15169669
Well it's 10000 points for 150 SC, 5000 for 70, and 3000 for 35.

So you could do 18000 points for 255, or 20000 for 300.

A point is one yen. So 18000 would be ~$168.80 and 20000 would be ~$187.69.

>>15168346
Which color of tulip is this again?

>>15169910
White.

>>15169926
Hard to imagine since none of her other sisters except Red actually look slutty.

>>15169947
Trying to gauge a girl's sluttiness from her appearance has led countless men to their ruin.

>>15169947
Now yo know that all tulips are slutty.

what's this https://zenith6.github.io/aigistools/soldier-soul-timer/
and how I use it?

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oh shit
isn't this nigga the best fuckin soldier in the whole game

>>15170152
>*one of best unit in the whole game
ftfy

>>15170152
There are some instances where the black soldier is better when skill awoken.

>>15170089
Put in how many souls you have at the upper left. Put how many souls you want to get to the right of that. It extrapolates to estimate how many souls you'll get by the end of the event and what % you've already done, and what % of that goal you're on pace to reach. Then below that there's stuff for estimating how many SC you need to spend on refreshes.

Rolled the limited gacha, got Lilac + Camelia, anything I should know about them?

>>15168809
>>15169011
God-Tier is the one I see her used most on, but I presume she'd be able to help a lot on Extreme as well.

Even a really low level Sandra can one-shot Gazers with her skill. But you'd probably want her to be around lvl 40-50 so that her defense and HP aren't paper-thin.

As for her usage outside of Crystal Daily, there's also the Skyfallen God-Tier, and she works fine on most other maps too. The issue is that if you use her solely as a duelist she's pretty shit. Not because her stats are shit or anything, hell, on pre-AW teams people use the fucking base Prince as a duelist. The issue is her cost, 22-27 for an okay-ish duelist is a shitty deal when you compare to 14 for a maxcost Thetis who rapes basically everything, or a Plat Bandit who costs 18 maxcost (20 if you're using an event Bandit). So if you -do- use her, you have to make sure she's in a good position to hit stuff with her skill. Like-wise, the other Swordmasters suffer from the same problem (though to a lesser degree since those have their ranges in a perfect circle around them).

>>15170152
Best Soldier in Nutaku Aigis, not necessarily the best on DMM Aigis though.

>CC Mel
>check out her AW
>that giant fucking angel howizter
Mel why are you so perfect
What's her AW passive?
and when can we get her in nutaku

keeps saying "preregister failed" when i try to make an account on nutaku, what am I doing wrong?

>>15170299
According to this, I get more from the easier maps? The 30/2 and 50/7 maps are alot better than the last one?

>>15170505
Thats drops/stamina ratio, and it assumes you'll get all the drops. The drop rate on the earlier maps is lower, though, so you'll almost never hit that ideal ratio unless you have really good luck. The last map might have a lower max ratio, but its 100% drop on souls every time or close enough to it.

>Want to roll 10+1 on dmm fkg
>Can't because I don't like lolis

Should I wait for the next feature or just do the normal roll?

>>15170475
>What's her AW passive?
Damage up, attack speed down. Helps a ton with letting her one-shot Gazers in high-difficulty maps.

>and when can we get her in nutaku
Never.

>>15170475
Who the fuck is Mel? There doesn't exist an angel named Mel.

>>15170476
anyone?

>>15170572
http://wikiwiki.jp/aigiszuki/?%CB%A4%BD%D1%BB%CE%A5%E1%A5%EB

>>15170050
>>15170074
Fuck that, apparently I'm into sluts.

>>15170553
>I don't like lolis
wrong place and game

>>15170973
I have Lantana and I like her well enough, but the current featured ones really don't appeal to me, particularly the their face and overcutesieness.

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Damn you Nutaku

>>15170475
メル is the shit, I maxed her out the instant I got her.

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Goddamn hell, I've got no *5. Fucking priority gacha.

At least I've got this new Lilac girl and St. Paulia for char quest.

>>15171782
you did have to bring this thread back to life

>>15171782
Welcome to the club

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Why does Aigis-sama keep giving me this girl? Please stop

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>>15171782
Is that suffering I smell? You rouse me from my sleep. There is always room in the well as always, mind your step, it's a bit wet with tears and the salt can't keep up.

An in related news, Reunion G is a pain and 0% affinity Claudia laughs at me.

>>15171821
>Aigis-sama. Please stop
asking mercy from demoness

>>15171826
I did one premium summon on the current nutaku Aigis set and my heart immediately sank when I got Kerry. I would have rather had a random plat unit over this piece of shit dupe.

>>15171826
get back at the bottom of the well and where did your decorations went

>>15171839
You can only see them from the bottom, you need that glimmer of hope to shine on them.

How hard is it to get flower gems later in the game?

Should save up until I have 50 and go for the "new character priority gacha", or would it be wiser to spend the flower gems you get in the early game on more storage space?

>>15171844
ooh camouflage of pit trap

>>15171861
DMM 2-3 weeks for 50 Butaku who knows

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ｷﾀ!

>>15171782
Are you me? I rolled with the 40+10 they gave yesterday and got even less silvers than you, allof which were dupes except Forget-me-not.

>>15171861
Assuming we get constant events then it'll be 16 every two weeks from events, and 4 every 10 days from login bonuses.

That's like 44 a month, and you get 1 from gathering every now and then.

>>15171821
She just wants you to make full use of "Gold Get!" by having five Betty's deployed of course!


>FKG question below
Is it ideal to give my stat boosting Manyus to a gold I have, save until I get a rainbow, or shove them all into my ideal waifu?

>>15172043
Your waifu of course. Even more so if she's lower tiered.

>>15172059
In that case, I will resume hoarding them until that kitsune I saw posted many threads back ends up in Nutaku.

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Donate Pierce knight pls

All I have is Hibiscus and she's maxed.

>>15172106
If you need room just use some on someone else. You will still get a decent amount of exp.

>>15172106
No love for the 3* girls?

>>15172079
I hope you know she's a Rainbow

>>15172165
Guess he'll have to wait for one of those "choose your waifu" campaigns. How do they work anyway? You pay 5000 yen for "just" a rainbow or do you get some extras? Feels like the only way I'll ever hope to have one.

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Anyone else thinks Bashira looks better like this?

>>15172219
Nah, I think she filled up nicely, and I'm sure Thetis would agree.

>>15172219
I certainly wouldn't have sold her if she looked like that.

I dream of subjugations.

What else does Chocolate Cosmos fire with her arrows in her skill? I could've sworn I saw some girl in yellow and some indistinguishable shape sometimes.

>>15172309
That's Cosmos, her cousin.

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>People getting rainbows left and right
>Three 10+1 pulls
>Not even one frickin gold
I just want one gold that is not a dupe of the free one or from event.

>>15172488
I know that feeling, but I just take it and then when I do get lucky and get a nice gold or my first rainbow it will be a nice feeling.

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I been wondering for a while, can Aigis be classified as p2w?
Paying gives more advantage than a f2p can ever have, silvers are neccessary for everything but is not like a f2p can really swim in them.
Collections events are clearly aimed to spend SCs too, so in the end can Aigis really be called p2w or not?

>>15172544
You can pay, but you don't really win anything.

I don't think non-competitive games can be called p2w.

>>15172544
There is no PVP, no interaction with anyone, is more like, pay to have a little more fun, pay to not get triggered by missing that last event goal to get min/max unit. But yeah, the events are fucking dumb for the amount of both time and money you need to spend to get the top rewards, compare it to FKG where the events are easy, gives great rewards for little time and so-so effort.

>>15172576
>But yeah, the events are fucking dumb for the amount of both time and money you need to spend to get the top rewards
This only applies to item trials.

>>15172555
That's my doubt, paying you get qay more resources and "power" than you ever get as f2p.
Being silver units a key factor for everything makes me wonder even more, i'm probably wrongly thinking about it using Nutaku version as example, because there's never a double drop chance weeks or revivals and everything feels more painful to play.
So let's put it in this way:
Is Nutaku Aigis even if non-competitive, a p2havefun?
More stuff gets added and more broken the game becomes without all these missing units/double rate weeks.

>>15172576
I may sound like a casual but i don't even feel Aigis like a real Tower Defense, is more like "grind your units/get lucky getting something better" than actual tactic.

>>15172586
Nutaku Aigis is not a game, it's a piece of shit.

Like many other browser/mobile games, Aigis was designed around constant events and updates to keep players engaged. There's nothing left if you throw that out of the window.

I don't know why anyone would play it, unless they were dumb and/or masochistic.

>>15172544
>silvers are neccessary for everything but is not like a f2p can really swim in them
Tell that to my 2 barracks full of silver dupes.
I'm actually out of ideas about how to use them up, I already have all my core units AWed, and almost all silvers I use mincosted. Probably gonna trade all my valks for angels and get some more skill ups on Chloe.

>>15172635
Well you got lucky, good for you, i can't even awake a single Healer yet and i've tryied farming a single Calliope during the last even without ever getting a single one.

>>15172586
>p2havefun
That's pretty much the business model of these kind of games. You can pay money to get better units, faster progress etc.

You can still do fine in Aigis without spending money.

>>15172670
Maybe not on Nutaku.

>>15172686
Why would you think so?

>>15172219
Is there a colorful version?

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>>15172544
KT is a dork

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>>15172722
Stop bullying her

>>15172717
Dunno, probably is just my bad rng starting to hurt, can't CC/AW a single unit even if i've farmed the event all the time.

I dream of min-costing Katie

>>15172663
Luck doesn't play any role in it, most of silver fodder come from guaranteed first kills from event maps, and _lots_ of runs for farm events. If you do like 100 runs of map for item collection event, you are bound to get at least 15 silvers out of it.
I've got shitton of bandits and pirates while earning my maxed out Claudia on nutaku.

>>15172744
Mine is 11cost
Except I have a lvl99 Altia and literally no reason to use other soldiers

>>15172781
>RNG
>Luck doesn't play any role in it

Please tell me more.

>>15172781
>silver fodder come from guaranteed first kills from event maps
>Nutaku

Lol no.

>>15172852
> still playing on nutaku
Here's your problem.

>>15172873
>I can't read
>better using a meme!

Go on.

>>15171826
Reunion G is e.z.

I can use Claudia, Sherry, or maxed-out Lyla and it works fine

>>15172576
I spent a lot more time on FKG and its constant farm events than I ever did in Aigis where I log in twice a day for 10 minutes.
And the "great rewards" are subpar golds that you're going to replace once you get lucky with gacha.

>>15172905
I actually 3 starred it on the second try, but it gets quite hectic, I use AW Cellia since she's the only one that can endure and drop some meat-sacks behind her like Saki or a HA when the rush starts. I can farm it easy, but the fact that the Lich King dies last makes it quite....thrilling.
I won't be able to do the other G map I'm afraid. Cellia just doesn't have the damage.

>>15172942
I haven't tried the 100/2 yet
I should be able to cook something up

but yeah I think this is the first G map I've 3*ed first try

Oh look, more Violetta Tulip.

8U5M XR3A ZXS1 CPAP

Source:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq1g7bdjsHk

>>15173057
And another, probably.

66UG LQLT 31A9 A8JG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIz52GuhXww

>>15173057
>>15173078
She is really a full slut now.

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>>15172942
>it gets quite hectic
This setup lets me pretty much afk it.
Katie behind Imeria -> Spica -> Kattie trigger -> Odette -> Anelia trigger -> Prince -> Fedora -> Kattie trigger & retreat -> Cellia -> Iris -> Alissa. At this point you can go AFK or drop extra mage for faster clearup.

>>15173145
If you have Elizabeth this map is even easier. You just activate her skill when the liches spawn and watch the genocide. It's amazing how OP this girl is.

>>15173093
Slut or not, she's the girl I like the most. I'll try to un-slut her with the power of D.

>>15173057
>>15173078
Violetta like Lori, damn.

>>15173093
Violetta is a good girl, leave Violetta alone.

>>15173313
>Violetta is a good girl
Every guy in the clinic agrees. She is indeed a good girl to heal you with a fuck.

>>15173057
>>15173078
It's sad, I can't use those codes, when I click the banner it says that I already received this, it doesn't even let me input it.

>>15173057
>>15173078
How do I claim these this time?

>>15173057
>>15173078
Apparently you can only claim one Violetta Tulip, even if the code is different. False alarm, then.

>>15173462
You're talking about Nutaku right?

>>15173573
Whoa...didn't know that DMM used the english youtube comunity to promo their games.

>Only one code works
>Several different codes out
>Not doing the same thing we could do in Kanpani with maxing the 3* healer
>Too bad they killed Kanpani with no content
Fucking Nutaku can not do anything right

>>15173652
They don't need to give out Violetta Tulip to max her. You'll very likely max her out naturally since she's in both normal and premium gacha. Not the same as Lori, since she's Battlefield only.

>>15173750
They don´t need to do anything at all honestly. No need to do giveaways, no need for events. Is about doing things that are not needed but appreciated. That´s how you retain your customers and get new ones.
If she is so common, getting her maxed a little earlier wouldn´t be bad. Just saying.

>>15173801
>no need for events
Events are literally the only reason to play FKG. No events = game dead in a month.

>>15173801
>no need for events

Yeah, that worked so well for Kanpani, right?

We're off to a pretty good start with constant events right off the bat, for once. Not to mention having a second guaranteed 5* roll. Don't be so entitled to the point of wanting free maxed units too.

The only thing I'd really ask for from here on out is the "pick your rainbow" campaigns. I don't know when they showed up on DMM though.

>>15174018
>Nutaku
>No need to feel entitled
We are talking about Nutaku right? If there was another company that hosted translated DMM games, everyone would jump ship.

>>15174018
What I expect from Nutaku:
Japanese version, but with English text.

What I get from Nutaku:
Japanese version, but with bullshit censors, blatantly wrong skill descriptions, retarded character name "localizations" and no flower stone campaigns.

Yeah, it's shit. They could at least add event stories right off the bat or something, I'm sick and tired of every idiot and his mother asking what Maidoari is.

>>15174035
Not necessarily.

A competitor would be welcome to have since it would (hopefully) get Nutaku to step up, but there wouldn't be a guarantee that another company would do any better than Nutaku either. As much as that sounds hard to believe.

>>15174053
>bullshit censors

One removal of virgin blood, but the context is kept. Bullshit, maybe. But singular and minor in the grand scheme of things. Will we get more bullshit censors? Probably, but you should pick and choose your battles if you ever want a translated DMM game to feasibly exist in the first place.

>blatantly wrong skill descriptions

Easily fixable.

>retarded character name "localizations"

Less easily fixable, but not a deal-breaker for 90% of the community.

>no flower stone campaigns, event stories

It hasn't even been a month. We're those things available from DMM's launch?

We're lucky to even get the updated gacha rates right off the bat.

>>15174115
>Were those things available from DMM's launch?
Yes.

>you should pick and choose your battles if you ever want a translated DMM game to feasibly exist in the first place
Or maybe I can play on DMM and laugh at the idiots thinking that EN FKG is even remotely approaching the JP version.

>Easily fixable.
And yet somehow not fixed in a month.

>Less easily fixable, but not a deal-breaker for 90% of the community.
90% of the Nutaku audience would ask for seconds if you shit straight down their throats. This is not a reason to accept sub-par service, especially since DMM FKG has been treating its users excellently even in matters that would risk their profits.

>We're lucky to even get the updated gacha rates right off the bat.
If you're pleased by marginal effort and a half-baked game, that's your problem. Don't think you'll get a steady influx of content either, DMM adds a ton of character stories every week and you'll never see these with the dismal pace Nutaku translates things.

>>15170553

Well, now that the mid-week point is past, you have a new Onee-san gacha to roll for.

>>15174115
Are you a general company apologist or Nutaku employee? We know Nutaku can get shit done when customers threatens to leave. But most of the time, customers prefer to not have to bring out pitchfork, put wallet back in the pocket and just wish the Nutaku can put their social agenda bs and instead do what they´re suppose to do. Translate hentai games into English without shoving their ideals in the service. Is tiring, and some have already left for DMM.

>>15174115
>Defending Nutaku
What am I reading here? You are a customer. Not their little bitch boy. I would understand why you are defending them if they provided a great service, but that is not the case.

>>15174177
Why do you think it is their social agenda? The osawari edits were outsourced which can account for the retarded changes like the crosses and they set up in countries with silly laws regarding drawn content. While it is entirely their fault I don't think they are pushing the agenda so much as having to follow others agendas.

>>15174193
I'm not him but how the fuck is he defending Nutaku, he's admitting they're fucking up and saying pick and choose your battles.

Just because he doesn't want to go all torches and pitchforks with you doesn't mean he's defending them.

>>15172192

You get a 10+1 draw on top of the choice.

As for Higanbana guy, he'll have to hold onto his Ampys for months before she appears in the gacha at all.

>>15174153
>Yes.
People were saying in previous threads that event stories weren't around the first time Lavender's event came around. No idea on Edelweiss or the flower stone campaigns though.

>Or maybe I can play on DMM and laugh at the idiots thinking that EN FKG is even remotely approaching the JP version.

You and many others would do that regardless of how good Nutaku's version got.

>And yet somehow not fixed in a month.

They're aware of it, so it's fine for now. They already had their hands full with an overextended maintenance and gave us compensation for that.

>90% of the Nutaku audience would ask for seconds if you shit straight down their throats. This is not a reason to accept sub-par service, especially since DMM FKG has been treating its users excellently even in matters that would risk their profits.

What does any of that have to do with name localization choices?

>If you're pleased by marginal effort and a half-baked game, that's your problem. Don't think you'll get a steady influx of content either, DMM adds a ton of character stories every week and you'll never see these with the dismal pace Nutaku translates things.

It's far too early in the game's life to call out a lack of content updates. Yes, there exists the possibility this goes south like Kanpani, but there's nothing directly showing that right now.

Don't lump in your problems with the localization over what you "think" is missing content, or even "content you think you should have" if you get your panties in a bunch over not having a fully-maxed Violetta Tulip.

>>15174233
It is their fault that it happened to begin with (and still does happen to an extent), but the point I was trying to make earlier is that a new localization company wouldn't necessarily avoid the same stupid decisions. Hell, they could even do worse.

I'm not defending Nutaku's shitty practices, but there is a point where the "no-censorship" stance or the "give me new content now" demands reach unreasonable levels of entitledness.

>>15174153
>If you're pleased by marginal effort and a half-baked game, that's your problem.

We have been given the launch game with a number of extras that were added later. The events are going in the exact same order with the exact same gacha additions so far. Tell me what did you expect to get?

>>15174233
They pretty much want to comply with the demands of anyone and everyone... except their players, whom they believe to be retards who would keep sending them money no matter what they do. To be fair, they're not too far from the mark.

So they just do whatever is easiest for them to do, and then feed bullshit to the community about how it's illegal for them to release uncensored loli characters (except they sure can release them when they need to, so that's a blatant lie), how swords or religious symbols or whatever were "never allowed" in their games (despite their other titles featuring them in the open, so that's pretty much straight up a lie too), or how they could "get closed" by featuring blood (which is the newest in their long series of bullshit). The real mystery is why their players keep buying into this despite like half their comments being proven lies.

>>15174253
>People were saying in previous threads that event stories weren't around the first time Lavender's event came around.
Event stories were added a few months later. Flower stone campaigns were available right off the bat. We've had neither.

>You and many others would do that regardless of how good Nutaku's version got.
No, I stated what I wanted from Nutaku's version: the Japanese version, but in English. It's not my fault if Nutaku consistently fails to deliver on such a simple task and constantly lies to their users about their actions.

>They're aware of it, so it's fine for now.
It's not fine, I could personally fix this "problem" in half an hour. Also, "sorry, we were busy" isn't an excuse for a gaming company. Doing these things in a timely manner is your job, and your customers have the right to complain when you do your job poorly.

>What does any of that have to do with name localization choices?
You argued that the translations were fine because Nutaku's users were accepting of them. I am pointing out that the fact that some people are accepting dumb shit does not make it any less dumb or shitty.

Also, you're sure arguing pretty vehemently for a supposedly uninterested party (though to be fair, so am I). You sure you aren't a Nutaku shill?

>>15174153
>Yes.
Do you even know what you're talking about or are you just trolling ?
I'm pretty sure DMM FKG didn't have event stories at launch. We have secret gardens, updated gacha rates, gatherings, and they already gave us a lot of free stuff (a free gold unit and a few apology gems)

>>15174281
Not him. But all they have to do:
Translate the text. Not moon speaker, but seeing how many people have helped them for free, finding a couple of capable translators that like cute girls and don´t mind hentai material seems quite easy. Especially if you have solid money to pay them.

Just remove the pixels. Not add any art edit, not enlarge any breasts, not remove anything, not warp any faces, just simply give us what the nip would have if not for their censor laws.

Give us a stream of updates and events, that are already fucking old, but nobody cares if we get them, but we don´t, not without shit long breaks.

Jesus fuck, they are not creating a new game, not drawing a new girl, not creating a new content (Fucking laughing at their lame random facebook random giveaways, to substitute for the lack of content updates and real events). Is all there, get a fucking couple guys that love doing what they do, and can do what they are required to do, to do their fucking jobs.

Not a couple of hacks that get snarky and hostile towards critique, and being shady about a lot of stuff.

>>15174361
I thought that comment was about the flower stone campaigns. Sorry about that.

And by the way, all that stuff that Nutaku so graciously "gave" you is in the engine, so that's what they got from DMM to begin with. The only thing that you can thank Nutaku for is three character stories that have been there since the beginning of the game, while DMM adds four per week.

And I guess you did get around one-twelfth the amount of free flower stones DMM got during the same period of time. If you think what Nutaku gave you is "a ton", your sense of scale is hilariously off.

>>15174334
Ignore him. Guy is either a Nut shill or Nut whale, both are disgusting and vomit inducing individuals.

My thoughts are, most people liking Nutaku just do not know about DMM and how much better you get treated as a customer. At all. DMM should do what Granblue Fantasy did, implement English language option.

>>15174334
I'm posting from my phone and bored as hell at work. Call it killing time, not shilling.

Your conspiracy theories fall short in the face of how Nutaku has been actively reverting (most of, RIP Goma) their changes, however bullshit they are. Maybe there is some shitty internal work policy that forces them to adhere to some standards, maybe there isn't.

But the fact is that they didn't have to revert them if they were forced to change them to begin with. We all know that takes extra effort and resources. So there's no reason to believe they're pushing an agenda when they just as easily could've covered their ears and pretended our complaints weren't legitimate.

Now, I won't deny that Nutaku gamers are more lenient and complacent about Nutaku's fuckups, but getting constant events and no cut characters obviously take priority over mistranslations that most users will only read once at most.

>>15174388
We know that's not going to happen, because for all intents and purposes, Nutaku IS English DMM, and recognized as such by DMM.

Therefore, the only thing you can feasibly hope for is Nutaku Dev teams being as competent and generous as DMM's teams.

>>15174385
DMM gets more flower stones at launch. Nutaku gets the slightly-less bullshit gacha rates at launch. Seems fair enough.

>>15174398
If that is the case, the nips should have used their business sense when they did their contract deal. The few staff I have had the dishonour to engage in conversation with have been terrible with. I respect the Indians and their customer support much more now.

>>15174385
>he only thing that you can thank Nutaku for is three character stories that have been there since the beginning of the game

They weren't there at launch, I know it was a while ago but come on.

>>15174414
And a free gold unit. This is arguably better than 50 flower gems.

>>15174434
5 stones isn't really free.

>>15174391
You're missing an important distinction here.

You are forced to do something if you can't help but do it, and Nutaku claims to be under this situation, but it is not. It has, for example, claimed that it can't add loli characters because of legal reasons. The laws remain unchanged, but they started adding loli characters when the demand for them was high enough, so that was just plain a lie: They were under no legal obligation to censor loli content. They've had many similar lies in the past, the latest being the blood issue with Lavender.

The situation Nutaku is under is one of convenience: It was easier for them to censor loli characters and feed bullshit to their users about how they're limited by the law, so they did that at first. It then became more advantageous to add loli characters back, so they switched their policy. If they were "forced" to do anything, they could not do that switch. Hence they aren't obliged to do anything, their censorship is wholly their own decision.

I don't know what their incentive for censors is. It may be their payment agency, it may be their crippling fear of legal prosecution, it may be their own fucked-up moral compass. But it is not something that is set in stone, it is a decision that they have made, by considering the incentives and potential benefits in the past. They can be made to reconsider their decisions if enough people get fed up with their shit.

"Sitting and hoping" is the worst possible thing to do under these circumstances, and if you prescribe it, you're either a shill or a useful idiot in service of Nutaku. When a customer is treated poorly, he does not "sit and hope" that the service will get better. You just need to get enough people to switch to DMM (or threaten such a switch, or stop making purchases on Nutaku and sending support tickets about why) for Nutaku to correct all its bullshittery, so that's what you should be doing.

>>15174428
I mean the EN FKG's launch. I believe there were three character stories when Nutaku's FKG rolled out, and there are still three character stories now. Am I mistaken?

It's entirely understandable for the number of character stories to be different, but DMM gets four new ones added each week while Nutaku gets nothing. So here's some evidence that Nutaku isn't even keeping on par with DMM.

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>>15174469
>It's entirely understandable for the number of character stories to be different, but DMM gets four new ones added each week while Nutaku gets nothing. So here's some evidence that Nutaku isn't even keeping on par with DMM.

The way I see it is that they are giving us the launch version wit things they didn't feel like removing to make it exactly like the launch version. The events are the same including the no story. The first limited gacha is the same as well. If they follow the trend we wouldn't have gotten character stories till around 6 months in and may not see more of them till then. They are following what people wanted in aigis IE following the update order properly. Who knows where this will end up, they aren't the DMM devs so their idea of being generous may be different, we have seen it in the lack of stone campaign but still getting a large batch of compensation stones and the 2nd guaranteed 5 star gacha.

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>>15174493

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>>15174469
If policy changes by convenience, it doesn't mean what they said was originally a lie. It just means that they were able to bend their rules after all. Or, put another way, the reasoning for the censors may have been a lie, but that doesn't mean they as a company weren't forced to comply anyway. Either way, it's impossible for us to pinpoint the cause, so there's no point in pointing fingers... Point.

I don't know how you got "sitting and hoping" out of my posts. I very clearly said battles should be picked and chosen carefully.

Recall that few people were happy with the decision to cut lolis, but we sucked it up at the time because Nutaku was new and we believed that their success would eventually change things in our favor. When things got WORSE, that's when the outcry got significant.

Now, Nutaku clearly still has issues with consistency in their policies, but they have eventually followed through on their promises, following fan outcry. The DMM players chose not to wait around for them to get their shit together, well, more power to them. They obviously made the right decision for Aigis, anyway.

I just don't think it's right to fault all of it on Nutaku being anti-loli shills either, or we wouldn't even have FKG to begin with. Besides their admittedly shitty translations, you can't say they are being completely subpar in the way they've handled FKG updates so far.

>>15174562
There isn't any reason to play any of these games, no matter how good it is it is still a skinner box with garbage rates on gacha to squeeze money out of you. They just coat it in honey to get more flies.

>>15174519
>The way I see it is that they are giving us the launch version wit things they didn't feel like removing to make it exactly like the launch version.
The way I see it is that you're splitting hairs to make Nutaku's version seem non-shitty, even though DMM gives you more flower stones, better service, three times as many characters, three events going on at the same time, and several systems that Nutaku won't have for over a year, including a guaranteed free rainbow to anyone who plays for more than a year (by itself a good enough reason to switch to make an account on DMM). More importantly, they also listen to user complaints rather than brushing them aside with "it's complicated :))"

If you want English text, just log in to Nutaku's version every two weeks and read the event/story map tex... wait, you can't even do that because Nutaku doesn't have these stories yet. So yeah, there isn't a single reason to play on Nutaku over DMM.

>2nd guaranteed 5 star gacha
You mean the "we fucked up the guaranteed gold system and had to restart it, so now we're reflavoring it as an actual reward instead of our own incompetence" campaign?

>>15174553
Run the first gold rush map and the first gift map.

>>15174560
>I don't know how you got "sitting and hoping" out of my posts.
Some fellow below you posted something along these lines. This was a reply to that.

Anyway, you don't really need to pick your battles carefully. If Nutaku is up to some unnecessary bullshit again, cut the flow of money and soon they will sing a different tune. This is the optimal course of action here, and I'm willing to bet a significant sum that it would get Lavender's censorship reversed within the month.

>>15174560
Maybe the consistency is part of how Nutaku works? as far as we know they are in Ireland and Canada.
Latelly the Canada side is the more active (and started being it when they started to "greenlit lolis", so maybe it was fault of the Ireland one...who knows.

>>15174594
How was the first guaranteed gold gacha a fuckup?

>>15174625
It's just a conspiracy theory, they might have reset the guaranteed roll by accident while fiddling with feature gachas or something.

They specifically assured their users that it was on purpose and not accidental, so of course I'm going to believe it was accidental.

Is immeria the fallen princess of the white empire or something like that? because the maps are the same as the ones that appears in the Lieselotte event which was about that region.

>>15174650
Oh, so another Kanpani black envelope thing. Well, they very easily could've rolled back and removed those units, but they didn't, so whatever works.

>>15174656
Could just be that they reuse maps all the time.

>>15174650
Im not sure about that, nutaku isnt really that nice, but in this big release I think they said the truth about the 2nd guaranted roll, that was an "apology" for the server hickups and other things that happened during week 1.

>>15174671
They reuse the same maps, but those specific ones are always reused when the white empire is concerned, so dunno.

>>15174553

Do 1-1, do gold farm Easy.

>>15174372
> all they have to do

Actually the list is longer than that including the network engineering to host and maintain the servers. Most of the essential stuff not on your list, they are delivering on. Most regrettably, they're also 'delivering' on obstacles and mis-placed priorities.

They really fail at getting guys who love the subject matter enough to understand the expectations. Instead they hired ex-employees of ordinary game companies (or who knows where else) who likely never had to interact with customers (never mind angry ones).

>>15174334
> The real mystery is why their players keep buying into this

You have a herd of The Ignorant who only know of Facebook games. Who only know what anime looks like because their porn source happened to toss a few clips from H OVAs. They see an attractive banner that Nutaku Marketing have made. They discover it's for something with actual porn in it (as opposed to scams that outright lie about what they offer). In their small world, this is an astonishing display of honesty for porn game advertising.

We enlightened are the bitter minority. This despair is deeper than any bad gacha roll can generate.

>>15174493
And here I only got 4 silvers. Fuck you. You suck my luck

Is there any reason to use ninjas and/or horsemen archers after they made archer angel Miruno? She has sick range and very good damage, good enough hp/def and a ton of mr to take some hits, and a cheap cost to boot
Sure, she only attacks during her skill, but I feel 30 sec uptime with 20 sec downtime is good enough
Honestly, she's so good that I'm expecting a nerf

>>15174594
>So yeah, there isn't a single reason to play on Nutaku over DMM.

Isn't this the same for every game? Every game they get will have less content that the DMM version unless there is a simultaneous release on both platforms.The only games worth playing on nutaku are the ones that have been shut down on DMM or ones only released on nutaku. There is no reason to have a shared thread.

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>>15174909
I play on Nutaku because I like having been able to play games starting from launch. For better or worse, I'm anchored to Aigis thanks to it, and I can see the same thing happening with FKG.

On a side note, tfw you combine 10 level 100 manyus and get the 1.5x bonus.

>>15174879
I think that, like the other angels, she's mainly a beginning player's unit: She's amazing whenever her skill is up, and does not need much investment to be amazing, but eventually you'll get units that are amazing all the time instead of having to be inactive between skill uses.

I like her since I'm a beginning player, though, and her AW ability/SAW are pretty solid. I'm glad I got her at mincost.

>>15174935
There's no real difference between joining early or late on FKG, Lavender and Edelweiss are already available permanently (and the succeeding event girls will be available earlier than Nutaku).

I can see people wanting multiple copies of Lavender or Hypericum for ultimate maps, but that's a very edge case.

>>15174281
>I'm not defending Nutaku's shitty practices, but there is a point where the "no-censorship" stance or the "give me new content now" demands reach unreasonable levels of entitledness.

The no-censorship thing is something they've been talking about doing for ages and then boasted about when FKG launched, only to fuck it up two weeks later.

It's not entitlement to ask for something you've been promised for well over a year that still hasn't been delivered on.

>>15175016
Sure, if you're the type that'll ignore all sense of progress due to one or two minor fuckups.

Yes, Nutaku shot themselves in the foot with that statement, but it's still unreasonable to condemn them for everything else they'be accomplished. Whether you find those accomplishments things that should be taken for granted is up to you, but there is a sense of progress regardless. As sad as it is to admit that this is the extent it's gone thus far.

>>15175016
>Censorship in FKG
If we are talking about the modified loli, that was an "error", if we are talking about the blood well..
Can we really blame Nutaku for that?
America got a ridicolous system about blood censorship, everyone should remember Xenosaga just to name a game.
Not even the only game, i don't want to take their sides but on this is not like they can do THAT much.

>>15174949
>Lavender and Edelweiss are already available permanently

This is a much better way of fucking with nutaku because the devs don't like them. Dev tea could learn a thing or two.

>>15175049
Well Lavender and Edel are freaking old and their revives has been put a ton of times already, i doubt they did it just to fuck with Nutaku.

>>15175049
I don't see how permanent revivals has anything to do with Nutaku. Aigis suffering is a beast all on its own. This just seems more like pandering to the DMM FKG fanbase if anything. I doubt it's a move driven to spite the gaijin fanbase.

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>>15175070
What is hard to understand? They make what nutaku is getting permanent before they even get it showing that the DMM version has everything the nutaku version has and more.

>>15175033
Their games have been utter shit and now they're marginally less shitty, and well, I guess you can see that as progress, if you move the goalposts so hard that they're outside the stadium. Even so, it does not make their games not shitty.

>everything else they've accomplished
What else did they accomplish, other than repeatedly lying to their users and completely ruining their games with unwarranted censorship?

And well, "one or two minor fuck-ups"? They've been fucking up left, right and center ever since their foundation, and the things they're fucking up are not minor. I don't even know how you can think about them as minor, unless you're openly shilling for them.

>>15175037
>America got a ridicolous system about blood censorship, everyone should remember Xenosaga just to name a game.
Parroting a game mentioned in the past threads does not suddenly make you an expert on censorship. This is a R18 scene and it's a completely inexcusable lie to even suggest that EN FKG "could get closed" because there is blood in one scene.

>>15175080
Because that has more to do with DMM being that far ahead. It's unlikely to be a calculated attempt at fucking with gaijins in the same way that DMM Aigis gets revivals or milestone SCs or whatever else while Nutaku Aigis gets fuck all for weeks.

>>15175080
You're so biased you're making bullshit up to reaffirm your sperg views and it's really embarrassing.

>>15175080
Now that's forced.

>>15175093
Xenosaga is not the only censored game, is not that hard to find more games with censored blood.
Look at Clock Tower for example, or the famous Mortal Kombat for SNES (the first one), just some of them.
I can go on for hours, really.
Also being R18 is not a complete "free-censoring" pass because is more about hentai scenes than "gore" and putting blood in a game require some more than just a "R-18 Hentai" pass.

For Aegis, is it possible to get a black rarity on the first shrine roll (after you gt the free plat archer)?

Just want to make sure I can since I am halfway crazy already.

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>>15175096
Plausible deniability is the greatest asset to sunbbing other companies you are forced to work with against your will.

>>15175123
Yes, good luck on that though.

>>15175093
I know this will come across as sounding like a shill, but think about it. One year ago, would you have imagined someone like Marigold making it over to Nutaku completely uncensored? Of course not. That's an accomplishment, whether you care to admit it or not.

But you choose to ignore all that because you want to focus on their wasted efforts at boobjobbing Asagao or removing blood from Lavender's scene. As retarded as those decisions are, inflating those over all the good that they've actually done is frankly just being petty.

The community knows when Nutaku oversteps its bounds and they pull another Osawari. Everything thus far has been minor in comparison. I know you'll continue to parrot shit-based metaphors, but until then, this is little more than a slippery slope argument and not worth polluting the topic over.

Ffs, this whole shit started because having a constant event schedule and the second 5* guaranteed roll apparently wasn't enough to salvage this version, and someone wanted multiple Violetta Tulips instead of just one.

>>15175133
Thanks, I need it.

At least I have hope.

>>15175124
Yes and they putting the gold daily every day was also a "fuck you" to Nutaku too, right?

>>15175137
Everything started because Nutaku gived shit during this last year, bad censorship, bad support (Aigis over all).
FKG can even be their best game with 0 censorship at side for the blood but some people will still say that's shit.
There's nothing you can do to change their mind.

>>15175137
Bottom line is, if/when Nutaku jumps off the slippery slope, as they have in the past, then you can grab your torches and pitchforks. Getting up in arms over every retarded decision Nutaku makes, however minor, is generally a waste of manpower. Submit a complaint, hope things change for the better, but don't start shit with people who don't see things the way you do. If people want to be more lenient about the censorship, let them. That doesn't negate your complaints.

So DMM Aigis maintenance is Friday night and not tonight this week, right?

>>15175154
Of course it was, it will help new foreign players catch up.

>>15175165
They done it before the Nutaku release you know...

>>15175165
>it will help new players catch up

>>15175137
If you think that "not censoring things" is a noteworthy accomplishment, you're retarded. They're doing what they should have done from the get-go, and they're only doing it after months of user complaints.

Copies of Purple Tulip are ultimately worthless, and I don't especially care about them. What I do care about, however, is people pretending that Nutaku is somehow doing a good job when all they did is to removing Asagao's censorship (after half their userbase complained about it), giving some flower stones for unannounced maintenances (after half their userbase complained about it), restoring the initial guaranteed gold gacha and implementing what DMM's FKG gave them, plus three character quests.

They still have a long way to go, and giving flippant remarks about how some blood is going to ruin their company is not the way they should be going towards.

>>15175124
Actually, the permanent events were long time in the making and first announced in a Nico stream, so unless they had a very long-running plan to fuck with Nutaku, that's just plain wrong.

>>15175176
They knew about the nutaku release in advance by months. Do you think it is all just a convenient coincidence? They knew they'd be getting some players from the release by either interest in seeing the original version or the general incompetence of nutaku. So now they have added these nice feature that they should have easily conceived of before if they even looked at other games and how they operate.

Personally, I feel like the permanent revivals could have something to do with Nutaku's version, but not in a "Fuck you" way.

I've been thinking recently that maybe it's just a way to keep JP players on DMM when there's another version out there that allows them to start fresh with the event units in order. This would allow them to get the same units at the same time.

And it could also avoid trouble with having JP players jump to the "uncensored" version.

Depending on how long the contract with Nutaku was in the works, it could simply have been part of the plan all along. Or I could just be overthinking it.

It's definitely not part of some weird plan to fuck with Nutaku, though.

>>15175180
What they should've done from the get-go is given us a version of Aigis that isn't complete shit. Over time, Nutaku's policy went from "we'll cut units if we have to" to "it's not really censorship if we make edits" to "okay, we'll give you the units unedited."

Yes, we should've gone straight to the end there. But we didn't until now. It's still an accomplishment because all the complaining that you or I had done could've amounted to nothing, and we still could've had Osawari-tier edits all over the place, with the community giving little to no fucks about it. But they did make an effort to change. That's more than can be said about other game companies.

How they go from here on out is what matters.

If they slip back into Osawari-tier retardedness, I imagine many people will call it quits for good.

If they take over Aigis and still manage to not properly bring it up to speed with DMM, they WILL lose a major portion of their playerbase.

If they remove blood on another girl, we'll have another shitstorm here, but it ultimately won't make a difference to Nutaku.

If they revert said edits, you won't give them any credit and we'll be right back to the "they should've done this from the start" argument.

>>15174670
>Thinking they could do that
Do you know the shitstorm that would rain down on those fuckers if they rolled back? Are you working for them?

>>15175219
>Over time, Nutaku's policy went from "we'll cut units if we have to" to "it's not really censorship if we make edits" to "okay, we'll give you the units unedited."
No, it didn't. They're still editing units and scenes, and don't even pretend that they don't.

>But they did make an effort to change. That's more than can be said about other game companies.
Only because their profits were threatened explicitly and repeatedly by their users.

It's also certainly not more than can be said about FKG devs, who permanently doubled their gacha chances, held at least three emergency maintenances to make events easier, completely removed an event mechanic after negative feedback, and frequently changed their future content depending on user input, in addition to dozens of other improvements they proactively made to the game.

So yeah, I haven't heard a single good reason why one would play on Nutaku and not DMM.

>If they revert said edits, you won't give them any credit and we'll be right back to the "they should've done this from the start" argument.
On the contrary, I'm fully and openly willing to shill for Nutaku, if they were to stop acting like buffoons for a moment. I've praised the swift reversal of the Asagao edit before, and I am actually very amused by the fact that some of the arguments I've made about Nutaku having improved were used against me in this very topic.

But no, as long as they remain committed to their awful censorship agenda, they will get nothing but shit and miscellaneous shit metaphors from me. I guess you can keep shilling for Nutaku as well, since it's plainly obvious that you're grasping at straws to show them in a positive light.

>>15175037
Weird. I remember splitting underaged kids in half playing Gears of War 1+2+3 with a chainsaw gun, same with bashing in Hercule´s head in God of War, or shoving my thumbs down Poseidon´s eyes. Stop with your bs.

>>15175266
It depends on the scope of their fuckups, really. But I wouldn't call it generosity or anything either. If they fuck up, they'll either pass it off as something the players can take advantage of, or if it's a more isolated incident, they'll roll back.

Look at Saga. They've rolled back before when they fucked up and forgot to charge money for the x10 spin, resulting in a few users getting a massive number of rare cards. Obviously that would've broken the game, so it was understandable that they rolled back and no blood was spilled that day.

But an earlier fuckup when a glitch turned all items of a certain material into gacha tickets did NOT result in any rollbacks. Only a few users got "punished" for being honest and getting little compensation out of it, but that didn't end up breaking the game either.

>>15175219
>Giving them kudos for doing their damn job
>Entitlement is wrong even if you are a customer
>Defending a company that have done so many wrongs
You are the biggest Nut shill I have seen around here. I can not believe the other anon is taking you seriously. I feel bad for the guy.

>>15175219
>If they revert said edits, you won't give them any credit and we'll be right back to the "they should've done this from the start" argument.

For good reason. You don't praise someone for -not- being as much of an insufferable shit as usual. You praise them when they've actually done something praiseworthy.

It's like having some third world fast-food chain that secretly feeds you pig shit inside their beef patties because it's cheaper that way. And then they finally stop because people don't like eating pig shit.
"What an amazing company, they don't even feed you pig-shit patties while charging you exorbitant prices for it!"
Yes, once they've stopped with retarded edits and censorship for good (that they constantly lie about I may add) they will have reached basic decency. And yet they don't deserve praise for basic decency because it's called basic decency for a reason. If they ever reach that point and proactively do things beyond that that are deserving of praise, maybe people will give it to them.

>>15175279
There is zero proof that their profits had a hand in changing their policy because, to my knowledge, that hasn't been publicly shared information, so this isn't a point of debate.

Neither you nor I can definitively say that money was the deciding factor, and you yourself have blatantly contradicted that by implying that Nutaku players will gladly continue to pay for shit. News flash, if Nutaku is rolling in dough already, and yet, they still took the effort to revert those changes. Since that is the case, they obviously weren't doing so with profits in mind. It'd make more sense to save the money and ignore the issues entirely. But they didn't.

I'm "grasping at straws" because I choose to look at how 60 girls went unedited, one girl had her edits reverted, and one girl had a minor edit? While you insist that they have a "censorship agenda"? I think we can agree that this debate will go nowhere at this rate.

>>15175037
Most of the games censorship is due to trying to maintain ratings, like having a T game not go to M or a M game not going to AO. This game isn't even rated by anything so that doesn't stand very well. This was a decision they made and they have to been transparent about it at all. its complicated and we would be closed do not explain what the root issue is behind the change.

>>15175348
>>15175354
I pointed out their flaws and gave them credit for fixing them. I did not excuse them from making those fuckups to begin with. How you made that interpretation is beyond me.

>>15175358
>There is zero proof that their profits had a hand in changing their policy because, to my knowledge, that hasn't been publicly shared information, so this isn't a point of debate.
Why did you think they did that, if not for profit and user demand? Goodness of their hearts?

Are you for real? I'm starting to agree with >>15175348 here.

>Neither you nor I can definitively say that money was the deciding factor, and you yourself have blatantly contradicted that by implying that Nutaku players will gladly continue to pay for shit
Most Nutaku players will gladly continue to pay for shit. There are some that won't. If their numbers increase beyond a certain point, Nutaku will act. There is no contradiction here.

What I'm saying in that Lavender's censorship is pure unadulterated bullshit and we should try and get the dissenting player numbers high enough for Nutaku to act. There's no reason to oppose that, unless you don't want the game to be better and actively like wallowing in the pool of shit that Nutaku has seen fit for its players.

>While you insist that they have a "censorship agenda"?
Yes, they have a censorship agenda. I can tell because they are censoring girls, and making nonsense excuses about it.

I don't know what that agenda is, or what motivates it. But I want it gone, and the way to do that is getting enough people to speak with their wallets, not pretending that Nutaku is doing fine.

>I think we can agree that this debate will go nowhere at this rate.
Oh, I think this debate is going places alright. In particular, it's going to a place where the entire thread is telling you off for blatant shilling.

It's time to stop.

>>15175377
>credit for fixing them
It's their duty for fixing their shit in first place and the bigges problem of Aigis is still there, Nut shill

Do any of the other sites that talk about FKG even know about the lavander thing? The only place that seems to talk or even care about it is here.

>>15175377
> How you made that interpretation

Differences in where to set the bar. When a fuck up has happened, some think there should be credit for actually putting in effort to fix it, while others think fixing it is just ordinary duty and nothing extraordinary.

Context usually affects where that bar is set: if you fucked up and you're just cleaning up your mess, you generally don't get praise. If someone else fucked up and you're cleaning up for them when you weren't obligated to, that's praiseworthy. As this debate has established, the details of the context for Nutaku fuck ups are obfuscated.

>>15175457
Not to my knowledge. So it's a good idea to spread the word, since that's how Asagao edits got reverted.

Most people don't care about some blood, so it's also a good idea to mention that this could be the start of other bogus censors like teddy bears and sword hilts. This should get people moving.

>>15175457
We are the hardcore nerds.

Question about Aigis on Nutaku. Any of the silver units worth getting? And if so, to use or to CC? And if to use, how many X of one? Last one, do you get to pick with silver unit you will trade away?

>>15175434
>>15175437
I'm sorry I don't subscribe to the notion that Nutaku makes retarded decisions specifically to spite its audience. Likewise, if they decide that enough is enough and they should fix their retarded decisions, that shouldn't be as farfetched as you make it out to be.

It's like you guys completely ignore how other game companies do worse shit to their established playerbase in order to appeal to the public eye, most of whom don't give enough of a shit either way (sup Nintendo).

So when Nutaku, the ONLY company in their market and under no major pressure to revert their decisions, decides to fix their decisions, it must have been money-driven even though there was no obvious change to their profits or their reputation.

>>15175457
While this is a point of how overblown this is and how money is again not the likely deciding factor for Nutaku's changes, it's also a point with how nonchalant Nutaku's community is in general. People who are anti-censorship are kinda fucked in the grand scheme of things, even if some of us are more lenient than others.

>>15175465
This I can agree with. We can only take Nutaku's words at face value, even if they seem blatantly contradictory, but we have nothing to prove them otherwise because none of us know the internal workings. As such, how much effort goes into fixing things they were "forced" to make vs. fixing things they did out of sheer incompetence is impossible to determine.

>>15175499
Assuming you mean the trading post, you shouldn't use them to exchange silvers unless you need CC/AW fodder, but Khuri is one of the best silvers to have. Percis is good to have for Crystal Keeper or against cluttered enemies with high MR, like the pumpkins in this current event. The others aren't as necessary to get right now.

You should only need one mincost of those, and yes, you can pick which silver to trade away.

>>15175457
There was one post about it in the ULMF thread and it was immediately and completely ignored.

>>15175543
Thank you.

>>15175506
I'm now left to wonder how thick your skull must be to ignore all the arguments that have been made to you and just reiterate your delusional view about what Nutaku is and what it does. They better pay you well for you to spout this kind of nonsense with a straight face.

Fine, I'll let you believe that Nutaku reverts its censors out of its own will and because it loves its games, and without paying heed to any user demand of any sort, even though Aigis players organized a support message rally threatening Nutaku with a mass move to DMM, Asagao edits caused outrage pretty much everywhere FKG is discussed and dozens of parodies about Nutaku censors were made on /jp/ threads. Nutaku is a perfectly fine and trustworthy company, with perfectly reasonable censors (even Osawari is fine, you don't need to use these girls anyway, better than them being removed!) and perfectly reasonable lies regarding the basis and reasoning behind these censors.

Well, I think I'm done here. Have a nice day.

>>15175592
stop being so toxic

>>15175634
FINALLY! I WAS WAITING FOR THIS!

>>15175592
You are tearing this website apart.

>>15175506
Nutaku have nothing to gain by spiting their audience, why would they want to? But yet they fucking do. That is the real problem. They do the dumbest thing, that can only be explained by misplaced pride, misguided moral compass, and greed.

Nutaku suffers from the usual downfall for many western company, having the mindset that the customer is most cases 100% wrong, and they being in most cases 100% right, if there is a chance for them to not lose anything significant, they will never admit wrong. Never fucking ever. That is just how many western companies work.

Second, they dabble in hentai gacha games. Fucking 2d drawings of fictional girls getting the dick, in most case consensually in a fictional world, all happening in a virtual game. Fictional girls getting fucked is okay, but HOLD ON. Not when it concerns the loli girls, the morale compass tells them this is wrong, it might even be CP in their minds, "fucking sick nips drawing flat chested tiny girls, amiright guys?". We will all not go to hell if we show that we distant us from this kind of material. "But wait a fucking minute boss, the profit is going down with no lolis, profit is going up with lolis.""Fuck it, Jesus would understand, got to feed the family". "Teddies indicate childish behaviour though, remove that, and girls do not bleed, remove the blood too".


Greed is the last. "Appease to everyone but the suckers that keep on giving even though we spit on their face.", the larger the audience being satisfied, the larger the income. That is normal thinking, obligatory SJW insert in EA and Ubisoft games is the norm now.

Overall, Nutaku is the usual shitty western company.

I remember the teddie bear thing, but I don't remember the game it applied to. Can someone refresh my memory since we have so many people tossing that one around?

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>>15175634

This is the shit that happens when you allow the Nutaku crowd and the DMM crowd to mingle. Let this be a lesson on why they had separate threads.

>>15175652
Most censorship is done for PR considerations, not because anyone genuinely cares.

>>15175592
>Aigis players organized a support message rally threatening Nutaku with a mass move to DMM

The people who made good on that promise have long passed. It's only people like you that hang around and shitpost about Nutaku even though we all know full well that their Aigis is underperforming. Nutaku is only taking steps now because even they've noticed the unrest and their contract is likely due for a renewal. But all this goes beyond the concept of spending.

It's clear as day that none of our complaints about the lack of content have done nothing to stop Nutaku Aigis to continue being popular, and Aisha alone probably pulled in a ton of profits. Nobody even expected Aisha to come to Nutaku to begin with, so obviously none of the anti-censorship complaints had a hand in that.

>Asagao edits caused outrage pretty much everywhere FKG is discussed and dozens of parodies about Nutaku censors were made on /jp/ threads

An isolated incident that was noticed in the closed beta period, before anyone could even speak with their wallet to begin with. Yeah, that speaks volumes about your argument.

> with perfectly reasonable censors (even Osawari is fine, you don't need to use these girls anyway, better than them being removed!) and perfectly reasonable lies regarding the basis and reasoning behind these censors

I specifically noted that Osawari was a mistake they went too far with, and the outcry there was well-placed. They still went months without reverting Hametena despite acknowledging the shitty edits, and you're somehow supposed to convince me that they decided to fix her now because of profits?

>>15175652
Their justification has always been because of payment processors. That has never changed. You're free to disbelieve that their regulations are overblown, but again, none of us have definitive proof that they are going above and beyond with their edits.

>>15175679
Nutaku wouldn't exist without DMM so nutaku user must defer to the ideas and wish of DMM users.

How good are characters with "Gold Get!" like Betty, Mullet and Totono? I'm seriously only getting them awakened if they're good, since I'm currently very drained on gold after my 4th awakening on Belinda.

>>15175679
The saddest part is that DMM is so much better that if they ever tried it out they would be shitting on Nutaku too.

It surprises me that there are real, flesh-and-blood people who are defending Nutaku's awful practices.

>>15175703
I don't see a single anon here supporting Nutaku's braindead decisions. Giving them leeway is not the same thing as defending.

Refer to >>15174238.

>>15175679
They can't be split now they share too many of the same popular games. Both threads would die on their own and nothing of value would be lost.

>>15175679
>>15175689
>>15175718
This is the Nutaku thread with DMM tacked on around 30 threads ago.
They could easily be split again, only problem is the DMM thread would likely die again, the Nutaku thread was doing fine and would likely still do fine without DMM players.

Why are DMM players so toxic ? Why do you even care about Nutaku ? Just go back to your thread and everybody will be happier.

>>15174686
Maybe she happens to have been hanging out on the border of the princedom and the empire.