>Village being overrun by memes and tabloids
>Big brother society becomes real
>Local youkai shrine maiden ignores incident and hides her property in off shore accounts
Why do we allow Reimurder to keep getting away with this?
>>15159691
Has it been translated yet?
>>15160188
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Touhou-Suzunaan-Forbidden-Scrollery/Vol-006-Ch-039--Are-the-Lords-of-Information-Gathered--Or-Scattered---Part-002-?id=272275
what is happening to Marisa's eyelids/brows?
Who cares about the NSA! It's not like you have something to hide, right?
>>15159691
Reimu "death threats are just a prank" Hakurei
>>15160285
In a way she learnt from being around the best at that sort of thing.
>>15159691
The plot twist that resolves everything will beit was all a dream all along.
>>15160285
Reimu does have a history of theft and extortion too.
>>15160188
The usual place at Clarste's site.
NSA
S
A
Can't fucking believe I am reading NSA/Social Media satire on some 2hu manga.
So who won?
>>15160728
Me, the reader.
>>15160692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBfFbb3pZmE
Where can a nigga scoop some RAWs
>>15160989
Post the one where Chen wants to commit sudoku
>>15159691
Reimu committed a mass murder of tsukumogami this chapter. Can someone stop the Murder Miko?
>>15160728
Dude, Aya without skirt looks even more sluty
>>15161396
Only true love's kiss can warm her icy heart.
>>15161396
Nice fucking job Raiko. You are a savior for your own kind, except when they get genocided.
Also, Reimu is being pushed even further. Feels like her having to confront a on-the-cusp-of-youkaihood Kosuzu will be the big climax of FS.
>>15161396
Artificial tsukumogami that have existed for maybe a week, tops. It's fine.
>>15161508
It's just you.
>>15161848
Just because they were baby tsukumogami without human body does not make it ok to slaughter them all.
>>15162131
They were spies, had to be done.
>ignores incident an hides possesions in ofshore accounts
She's about to get Maidan'd.
>>15162141
A new movement will emerge, soon. TLM, Tsukumogami lives matter. Reimu is already trying to stop the movement.
I really need to catch up on reimu of murder.
As a side note, what happened to WaHH, I've not seen any new chapters in a while
>>15162307
Honestly, this is only the second time that might be appropriate. Salt merchant guy was already dead.
I too want to know where the hell WaHH is. It's still being scanned, right?
>>15161848
"That's right anon, they were barely alive, so It doesn't count..."
>>15162307
Last WaHH was pic related I think.
>>15162316
Last chapter I've seen was the one with the needles, 27 is latest one I have local copy of. Not seen any threads on here or anywhere about new chapters on anything like it.
So either it's not being scanned for us to find or just it's on pause / artist dead or something like that so not being updated atm?
>>15162341
>What good is a rabbit
A lot of sex.
>>15162339
I want to bite Seiga's bosom.
>>15159691
In what order should I read the mangas?
>>15162458
In the order they were published.
>>15161396
>Can someone stop the Murder Miko?
Batmarisa will!
>>15162523
So Horned Hermit then Forbidden Scrollery, got it.
>>15162360
You can find up to 31 on Clarste's blog.
>>15162551
If you haven't read any touhou manga then don't forget the ones that are complete.
>>15162576
I know, I know.
>>15162307
Translator is looking for raws. We're only one chapter behind so we're not missing much yet.
>>15159691
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-FqQ22N2dA
>>15162398
I want to drink milk from her lactating breasts!
"Well, let's go loot some stuff now."
- Reimu after beating up an adolescent cat youkai in PCB
>>15161396
>mass murder
They were given memorial service by the villagers which is what you're supposed to do to tsukumogami traditionally. Are you talking about her making sure her stuff didn't become tsukumogami in the first place?
Reimu "Red White From Youkai Blood" Hakurei did nothing wrong.
>>15160728
that reminds me of a pin up I saw around 1980 with Pam Dawber (then "Mork and Mindy") and Jane Curtin (then late "Saturday Night Live").
>>15163864
I seriously don't understand the whole hate towards Reimu in regards to the recent FS chapters. Well unless you're a youkai apologist.
>>15161396
we could have had a broom 2hu but reimurder is on fire
>>15165709
On one hand she removes some youkais
On the other, youkais that have done much worse stuff are given a slap on the wrist and a cup of tea and crumpets.
>>15165772
SEIJA WAS RIGHT
HOLY FUCKING SHIT SHE WAS RIGHT
>>15165830
*it
>>15165772
Well, turning the human village in Soviet Russia isn't exactly a light nuisance.
>>15159691
Damn. WaHH is nothing but filler now. But Forbidden Scrollery has been constantly interesting.
>>15165869
Thing is either you go full remove on both groups or you do not.
One group "just" spies.
The other has blood on it's hands (or whatever appendages).
Yet one is removed, the other befriended.
Note to self, if I ever go there, by god I'll bring so much science stuff that the youkais won't just die, they'll go to hell and then diedie
>>15162576
I didn't know that Sakuya had brown eye color in this Manga.
That means she's had red,gray,blue and brown eye color throughout the different works now.
I wish Zun would be more consistent with his characters.
>>15165900
She hired other meidos while she worked on a different job.
>>15165900
perhaps it hints at a hidden skill, the ability to change eye colour at will
>>15165900
>I wish Zun would be more consistent with his characters.
He is, it's not his fault that you're a stupid moron that thinks he draws everything. Do that thing look like it was drawn by ZUN?
No, ever since PCB Sakuya had blue eyes and ZUN stuck to that.
>>15167337
Anon please, none has said anything about that it's Zun that draws everything, but he still have management and control over the stuff so he could obviously tell them to draw the characters how they're suppose to look.
And also she got grey eyes in the fighting games in the DDC they're violet-ish.
Not sure why you're even upset.
>>15167447
>but he still have management and control over the stuff so he could obviously tell them to draw the characters how they're suppose to look.
He doesn't look at this stuff as much as you think he does.
Else we wouldn't have stuff like Momiji appearing with dog ears in the fairy manga, or Aya appearing with wings in FS. Or like you said, Sakuya appearing in the fighting games with grey eyes.
>in the DDC they're violet-ish.
Blind anon.
>>15167576
>in the DDC they're violet-ish.
But they are anon?
Just open the image in paint or photoshop and use the color picker tool and looks for yourself.
Even if they're not "really purple" they're way more violet than blue so my point stands either way.
>>15161396
Giving memorial service to tsukumogami isn't mass murder. Its tradition.
>>15163689
>They were given memorial service by the villagers which is what you're supposed to do to tsukumogami traditionally.
Quoting this because it's right. Settle down, people.
>>15162341
oh, THE tewi chapter
>>15165870
well, the tewi chapter was interestingeven she is in the gensokyo politics
Considering it's another chapter featuring the wings of an Aya, can we rule out the "artist error" theory?
>>15165870
No one wants to translate WaHH so you'd never know.
Also FS a shit.
This otaku likes it RAW... where the RAWs at minna
>>15171060
No. Fuck off.
>>15172056
>No one wants to translate WaHH so you'd never know.
If you want it so badly then go hunt for some RAWs and send them to Clarste.
>>15173169
It's been multiple months since she first appeared with wings, anon, surely if ZUN found a problem with it he would've asked her to change it, right?
>>15175043
Why are you load of idiots so fucking desperate to defend artist errors? Like, seriously! Why? WHY?
>>15176309
Please don't raise your voice, accept it.
>>15176309
Momiji's ears were removed since her first appearance, now no official art besides that one appearance shows her with ears. Wings have appeared on multiple occasions and have yet to be edited.
>>15162131
ZUN use a baby tsukumogami to avoid killing a girl.
>>15177366
>Momiji's ears were removed since her first appearance
She never had ears in the first place, you fucking dunce. It was Makoto that placed a pair on her because he thought she did.
Sounds kind of like an artist error, don't it?
Is there a place where I can download the mangas instead of saving pic by pic. specially the last one since Clarste doens't put a download link anymore.
>>15178973
I need the RAWs, free of Western taint
Help a Jaywalker out
>>15178973
The wiki has everything but this latest chapter.
>>15165860
"holy fucking it?"
>>15178926
That is what I implied, please re-read my posts. ZUN didn't agree with that portrayal, and all official artwork of Momiji made afterward features no extra dog-related ears.
If the wings were an artist's error, wouldn't they be fixed more than half a year after their original appearance? They've appeared far more than once.
>>15180467
As did Sakuya's grey eyes, does that mean they're correct and not an artist error? Or that ZUN doesn't pay attention to this stuff as much as you think he does, which is how those errors managed to escape his grasp in the first fucking place?
Holy shit, kill yourself already.
![256px-Th075sakuya01[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Xi7FpRy.png "256px-Th075sakuya01[1].png")
>>15181524
Sakuya's eye color changes from red in EoSD, to grey in PCB, to blue in PoFV and LoLK. Likewise, Youmu's eye color seems to change from brown, to blue, to silver in ZUN's own art, so I don't think that you can consider this evidence when the creator himself doesn't seem to remember eye colors. Even more unapplicable when you consider that Sakuya has not been drawn by that artist since her appearance in Hisoutensoku, leaving no chance for an error like that to be corrected.
Why are you acting so hostile about this?
>>15181695
Fine, I'll concede that Sakuya wasn't the best example. The point I wanted to make still stands:
>ZUN doesn't pay attention to this stuff as much as you think he does, which is how those errors managed to escape his grasp in the first fucking place
Until ZUN draws Momiji with wolf ears, then she doesn't have any. Until ZUN draws Daiyousei with wings like in pic related, then she doesn't have them. Likewise, until ZUN draws Aya with wings, she doesn't have a single goddamn wing.
>Why are you acting so hostile about this?
Why is it so fucking hard to accept that your precious Harukawa messed the fuck up? Do you see any wings on ZUN's drawing here >>15176309, anon? Come on, answer this one for me. Maybe I'm just blind because I don't see SHIT. Or maybe not because I don't remember ZUN EVER giving Aya wings in ANY of the portraits he drew of her. ANY of them, EVER. Not a SINGLE time.
Hell, let's give Harukawa the benefit of the doubt and assume she did it on purpose to accentuate the difference between tengu Aya and I'm-totally-not-a-tengu Aya. You know, that's great she went the extra mile for stupid motherfuckers like you and it does help convey the plot ("show, don't tell", after all) - newsflash, it's still incorrect. Imagine if Azuma or alphes colored Marisa's eyes brown to make some sort of point. Would that be correct to Marisa's design? Would that mean Marisa's eyes are suddenly and forever brown, ZUN be damned? FUCK no! A mistake is a mistake, no matter how you want to look at it. But noooooo, right? We can't have that, can we? Fuck ZUN, mayne! Draw Aya with wings! Who the fuck does ZUN think he is, anyway!? Oh, did Aki Eda draw Reimu and Marisa fucking? Well, how about that! I guess they're lesbians now, heeheehee! What do you mean, that's not what ZUN intended? Fuck ZUN, am I right guise? SM lesbians, needless cheesecake and black Tewis for all!
Fuck you and anyone and everyone that thinks like you. I seriously hope you all get run over by something that will make you die slowly.
>>15182111
autism
>>15182111
Or perhaps Aya can hide her wings at will, and doesn't need them to fly, yet still keeps up appearances at times and makes a show of being a CROW youkai because that's what youkai do - they're showy creatures.
Not the guy you're sperging about with, by the way. This is my first post in this thread and I agree with neither of you.
>>15182111
God damn. You are so mad and so wrong. I don't even know where to start.
>>15182111
>Likewise, until ZUN draws Aya with wings, she doesn't have a single goddamn wing.
I'm sorry.
>>15182111
>Daiyousei doesn't have wings
pic related, kill you'reself
>>15182111
I hate touhou retards just as much as you do, but right now you've become one of them.
Any dates on when volume 4 will be out? It's been almost a year since the last one.
>>15182111
Autism speaks.Also got BTFO >>15182345
>>15182111
The only evidence that has ever been presented against claims is that one contextless picture, and one unsourced twitter post from someone claiming he met ZUN in a bar and asked him this question. The major point of contention seems to be that I believe that ZUN has an active hand in the production of his franchise's official materials, while you believe that he doesn't. I don't see any reason why he doesn't involve himself in every step of the production, considering that his whole life is devoted to Touhou (and as of recent his son) but obviously we are at odds.
The problem is, until ZUN appears in an official context, like a public interview or in the omake of a game or book, and plainly says "Aya has/does not have wings and she can/cannot make them appear at will", there will only be conjecture. I believe that Aya has wings, but I realize that the only thing we can achieve through discourse is some kind of public consensus. I just want to discuss this, but I realize that some will not agree with my viewpoint. I am fine with this. I only want to discuss this.
Though, acting like a /v/ poster isn't going to make anyone look at your opinion favorably. You're acting like a child over someone having a different opinion than you.
>>15180445
7th word
>>15182111
You need to calm the fuck down, friendo.
Shit, I went really overboard there, didn't I? Sorry.
>>15182140
That implies there's some sort of flying cameraman that visits everyone and is allowed in Tengu Mountain and Aya would want to show off to him even though she wants to keep her identity as a tengu hidden (because of her human village affairs).
It's a nice theory I guess, but it doesn't fit with the facts.
>>15182339
That's not ZUN.
>>15182345
>>15182662
Wings "like those", is what I meant. She does have wings, but she doesn't have the wings Azuma drew for her. At least, not until ZUN does draw Daiyousei with those wings.
>>15182726
This isn't an opinion issue. Just because you think Marisa looks better with the blue eyes the-guy-that-draws-the-art-of-CoLA-whose-name-I-forget gave her that one time, doesn't mean she has blue eyes. ZUN has never drawn her with anything but yellow/gold eyes since forever, thus she has yellow/gold eyes regardless of your preferences.
>The major point of contention seems to be that I believe that ZUN has an active hand in the production of his franchise's official materials, while you believe that he doesn't.
It's just the degree to which ZUN monitors his works that is the issue. ZUN never drew Aya with wings, and this remained consistent throughout all official Touhou videogame media - she has no wings in any of the fighting games she appeared in. And going back to the Marisa example, the same applies to her - Nothing but yellow/gold eyes across all official Touhou videogame media. But then again, the major Futo's hair slip up in HM still happened as well as Momiji's wolf ears in the manga, so while he does look at the sideworks to make sure they remain consistent with what he wants the characters and the world to be like, mistakes can still squeeze through.
>Though, acting like a /v/ poster isn't going to make anyone look at your opinion favorably. You're acting like a child over someone having a different opinion than you.
I apologize again for the outburst, but I'm just getting really confused over why are you so defensive about this (ironic thing coming from me, I know). It's not like I'm saying Moe is a hack artist or that ZUN should replace her, I'm just pointing out that she drew a character with features the character does not have. A simple, mere artist error. If you think Aya looks better with wings, then that's cool. I think the wings Azuma gave Daiyousei look much better than the ones she normally has. However, they're still non-canon until they show up in ZUN's illustrations.
>>15180407
the wiki is missing around 5 chapter o WaHH too.
>>15185028
>That implies there's some sort of flying cameraman that visits everyone and is allowed in Tengu Mountain and Aya would want to show off to him
The fuck are you smoking, mate? In case you've never read any of the printed works, youkai show off to EACH OTHER all the fucking time. Especially Tengu, as they're somewhat high on the rungs.
If anything, Aya removing her wings to mingle with humans in the village makes no sense, as she SELLS HER GOD DAMN RAG IN THE VILLAGE ANYWAY. It's unlikely nobody would connect the facts. Unless it's literally just to avoid petty disturbances in the like of, "Omigawd, lookit dis, it's a god damn bloody Tengu come down to our village, get ye flask," etc.
>>15185028
>That's not ZUN.
But it's an official work. Surely that must count, right?
>>15182111
Settle the fuck down retard.
Just because ZUN didn't draw wings on Aya doesn't mean she has none. They appeared in canon material and being interpreted differently by another artist doesn't make it any less canon than an absolute proof in the form of a single fucking illustration with a ZUN mark of approval.
You need to get your head out of your anus and chill, m8
>>15185073
He already addressed that.
>>15185200
Regardless, he needs to chill.
>>15185073
He said that if it's not ZUN hard it does not count. His autism is that deep.
>>15185155
Still replying to that old thing? Try to keep up, son.
>>15185049
So she's showing off to who? The other tengu? "wooooo, lookit me wings, m80s" as if the other tengu didn't have any. Come on now.
And let's not forget that this entire "aya has wings, she can just hide them" crap is your headcanon to begin with. Unless you can find her mentioning she can do that, as far as I know she never did.
Lastly, most youkai we've seen enter the village disguise themselves. Reisen does, Mamizou does, Aya does. The lesser youkai, like the fox kid and the snake guy, also disguised themselves. Yuuka, Suika and Yuugi are the only ones that don't, and for the later two it's only if you wish to count their HM cameo.
>>15185073
See, I get your point, but she appeared far more often in official works WITHOUT her wings. What do you have to say about that?
>>15186317
Magic is what I say about it.
>>15186317
Youkai disguise themselves, but unless Aya directly says she hides her wings then it's completely impossible that she does. Am I getting that right?
>>15186317
>See, I get your point, but she appeared far more often in official works WITHOUT her wings. What do you have to say about that?
I dunno, I'd say from the way she gets angled, the wings would be located out of view. She surely has them, though.
>only ZUN art is real!
So. Kasen, three fairies, mooninites, Reisen II, Sumireiko, Suika, Tenshi, and Iku do not visually exist. Their designs are entirely non-canon. ZUN hasn't drawn them, so they're pretty much text-only characters and OCs. I could draw a grey blob in MSpaint and write Kasen on it and it'd be as canon as this pic.
Why do these official manga threads always attract the stupidest arguments?
>>15185028
I don't think I'm being defensive. I'm having a discussion. Is it possible to have a discussion on 4chan, instead of an argument?
>>15186317
>So she's showing off to who?
ANY of the small-time youkai who, if you've forgotten, kind of populate Gensokyo. Hierarchy of species is somewhat important to the Tengu. You can see this in most in-universe works of Aya.
>And let's not forget that this entire "aya has wings, she can just hide them" crap is your headcanon to begin with.
Actually, if we were to take her canon appearances literally, it would be the logical conclusion. In FS alone she is seen both with and without wings in the span of a single chapter.
>Lastly, most youkai we've seen enter the village disguise themselves.
None of whom are very familiar to the village people, while Aya sells her newspaper in the village, all signed with her name, and often attributed quotes from brief interviews.
>>15186381
Suika, Tenshi, and Iku and the three fairies have drawings though. I'm not trying to be against your side since if anything I'm with you, but this argument is invalid. There's probably sketches of the rest of the characters that were given to the various artists too.
>>15186754
>Suika, Tenshi, and Iku and the three fairies have drawings though
So does Toyohime, at least for what has been shown publicly.
>>15186339
Yes.
For all we know, Mamizou may be able to turn into the spaceship from Star Trek (she IS a shapeshifter after all!) but unless we're told about it, then we assume she can't.
>>15186489
For really wanting a discussion, you sure aren't throwing your hat in the ring now.
>>15186381
>Why do these official manga threads always attract the stupidest arguments?
As said by the guy that equates a feature from a character design that wasn't there before to full character designs that had to come from somewhere because they didn't exist. Are you retarded?
>>15186738
If she's such a showoff, then how come we see her without her wings most of the time? She was surrounded by other ("lesser", she would say according to you) youkai during the events of SWR, yet she remained wingless throughout all of it. Same for StB and DS. There's a pretty big inconsistency here, isn't there?
>Actually, if we were to take her canon appearances literally
If we were to take every single element from official works literally, we would have a Momiji that can switch from having two sets of ears or not, a Marisa that can switch her eye color between gold and blue, among other things.
>>15187267
I feel that I would only be repeating viewpoints that people are already posting instead of me, so excuse me if I don't write a few paragraphs for one post. Also, I feel like arguing about the character of the character in question is both picking at straws and pointless when the other statements I made earlier in this thread haven't been refuted. Unless ZUN hasn't read the last 6 months of Forbidden Scrollery, mistakes don't just "slip through" like you suggest.
>>15167595
What color is Remilia's hair?
>>15187267
>a Momiji that can switch from having two sets of ears or not
Reasonable, as she's a youkai. Marisa is a human, though, so shapeshifting is unlikely. It's amusing how both Aya and Momiji have been seen without their "animal" parts, and how both are Tengu, isn't it? Contrast that with other youkai-with-animal-parts, like Satori's pets, who have always been shown with animal parts (other than Rin's tails in her human portrait in SA, but the tails may simply be behind her).
What I'm saying is, it's almost like powerful youkai (Tengu) are not only capable, but also intelligent enough to adjust their appearances for the situation at hand. Whether it be maintaining a distinct crow Tengu presence over the forests of Gensokyo, or lowering her profile when fighting powerful opponents during SWR.
>>15187379
>Also, I feel like arguing about the character of the character in question is both picking at straws and pointless
Don't direct that at me, I'm not the one that brought that up. I also feel it has nothing to do with the actual conversation but I wanted to see where it would lead.
>when the other statements I made earlier in this thread haven't been refuted.
Re-state them and I'll give you your refutals.
>Unless ZUN hasn't read the last 6 months of Forbidden Scrollery, mistakes don't just "slip through" like you suggest.
Need I remind you of brown-haired Futo? That did slip through, was never fixed, and that was an actual GAME side material, where one would think ZUN oversee as much as he possibly can (I mean, he did force Tasofro to scrap a spellcard for Aya that involved Momiji because it would clash with what he wanted the characters to be like).
>>15190903
That makes sense.
It's still a headcanon. We're never told tengu can shapeshift and the only shapeshifting from them we ever see is the crows from MoF stage 4, and that's only if you assume they're supposed to be tengu (which would be kind of stupid, given the crow Aya often has on her person, but let's ignore that for the sake of argument). And if you do assume that, then you have to assume their shapeshifting abilities work the same as with regular animal youkai (so they can only change between an animal form and a humanoid form) because their shapeshifting abilities are described nowhere and assuming they can do more than that is just ducktaping things with more headcanons.
>>15191160
>We're never told tengu can shapeshift
That's part of their mythology, mate.
>>15190903
Remember when the Three Fairies of Light disguised themselves as humans?
>>15191160
Brown haired Futo was presumably like the Sakuya example given above: The artist has yet to work on another official touhou work, and therefore the error cannot be corrected.
The statement I made is the first one I've made, and the one you've conveniently ignored: I am not saying that ZUN cannot make errors or have things passed by him, I am saying that he has let this "error" "slip pass" him multiple times since October 2015.
I count that Winged Aya has appeared 4 times since her initial appearance as the cover insert art in Chapter 33 of Forbidden Scrollery. These appearances have been far from minor, often multiple page's worth of Aya with major attention given towards her wings. The statement is this: ZUN has had *Half A Year* to make any changes he saw fit to the design of Moe Harukawa's Aya Shameimaru.
In order for this error to slip up, unlike the Futo example above it wouldn't have had to pass by him one time, I'm counting 12 entire pages featuring this depiction instead of one piece of character art, spread over 6 months instead of one instance. I have trouble coming up with an explanation as to how he could repeatedly miss this "error".
>A: ZUN hasn't read Forbidden Scrollery in the last 6 months
>B: ZUN has an issue with the art, but some kind of incredible technical error is stopping him from sending Moe Harukawa an email saying "no" for six months straight
>C: ZUN has an issue with the art, but Moe Harukawa simply refuses to change the depiction and has gotten away with defying the Kannushi's will for six months straight
>D: ZUN hasn't had the time in the last six months to write an email saying "stop that"
>E: ZUN has no issue with the depiction
>F: ZUN has an issue with the art, but he's too weak-livered to say anything about it
>G: ZUN has somehow read the comic he wrote for six months straight, and has never noticed that Aya has wings in any of the 12 pages she appears with them on *over half a year*
>H: ZUN doesn't know if Aya has wings or not
What you're suggesting with G, the viewpoint that you have stated repeatedly in this thread is that ZUN didn't just make a mistake, you've suggested that he is systematically incompetent. If he has any sort of creative control, or any sort of critical eye that can spot inconsistencies in his own character designs, to fix them after one appearance would make sense. But the fact that after 6 entire months that this "error" has yet to go unfixed suggests to me that this one theory about why she has wings is not only incorrect, but implausible.
The only statement you have given in rebuttal to it is "No, fuck off."
>>15191247
Photon stream manipulation is serious business.
>>15191247
Fairy wings are translucent and don't seem to be attached to their bodies in the first place. So... I guess they're made of energy and they can turn them on and off?
>>15191220
Yeah, and I think it's part of Prince Shoutoku's mythology that he's supposed to be a man. Your point?
>>15191292
>I am not saying that ZUN cannot make errors or have things passed by him, I am saying that he has let this "error" "slip pass" him multiple times since October 2015.
More like December 2006, in the illustration of Aya in her PMiSS article.
Let's go over this. Aya has no wings in Extra of the Wind, yet she has wings in this pic BAiJR. Aya then proceeds to not have wings in SSiB and Inaba. And while Aya herself wasn't illustrated in CoLA, her fellow tengu were and they had wings. Moving on to the fairy manga (all four of them), Aya lacks wings and she also doesn't have them in GoM. She didn't appear at all in WaHH (that I can recall) but she did in FS with wings again, as previously established. And as for the games, she hasn't appeared with wings in any of them. PoFV, StB MoF, SWR, SA, DS, GFW, HM, no wings.
So clearly something is up here.
>What you're suggesting with G, the viewpoint that you have stated repeatedly in this thread
I'm open to new points of view if they make sense, you know. Like item E in your list. Taking everything into account, that's most likely the correct one.
Not that it does make it canon. Brown-haired Futo was ZUN-approved too, or it wouldn't have made it into the game. Look at it this way: they're both character designs that don't fully match how ZUN designed his characters yet both they were allowed a pass by the man himself (for one reason or another) and they were corrected later down the line. Futo appeared with her silver hair in ULiL, Aya appeared without her wings in the works between BAiJR and PMiSS and between PMiSS and FS (including all of ZUN's works).
>>15192098
>Yeah, and I think it's part of Prince Shoutoku's mythology that he's supposed to be a man. Your point?
That while Prince Shoutoku's is explicitly contradicted by the fact that Miko is a girl, there is nothing to suggest that the fact that Tengu can shapeshift doesn't stand in Gensoukyo
>>15191160
>brown-haired Futo
>>15191292
It isn't brown, it's gray with lots of brown and violet overlay. How do you see it as purely brown even
>>15192098
>Your point?
My point is that Gensokyo's legendary creatures are generally faithful to their mythical origin, unless directly stated otherwise by ZUN. Such as is the case with Prince Shotoku, Tsukumogami "evolving" through several stages before acquiring a human body, satori being able to close their third eye, etc.
>>15192098
Aya having and not having wings in individual works illustrated by other artists is presumably due to the fact that ZUN hasn't directly said a definitive answer on this matter. The artists presumably didn't think it was a matter that needed clearing up.
The issue that we're having here is that all of these other instances of inconsistencies, they're all individual works. Futo has all of two pieces of pose artwork with incorrect hair color in one game, and that game didn't have any patches changing the art style. Aya appears with wings on the cover of Bohemian Archive, once again one piece of art.
Unlike any of the other instances of artists drawing characters inconsistently with earlier depictions, FS Aya is a unique case in that it is one artist repeatedly drawing a character, not just in one illustration, but in multiple instances, with the same styling and features throughout over a long period of time. Unlike all of the above, there have been multiple chances to correct this within the same work. This has not happened.
We don't know the development processes for any of the games beyond that ZUN writes for all of them and does designs for new characters, so we don't even know if ZUN had the chance to see any character art between development and release. Once again, due to the serial nature of FS there's a big difference between any of the instances you have outlined. There have been multiple chances for ZUN to say "Aya does not have wings" to Moe Harukawa. They have not been fixed.
At the same time, you say "E" is the correct one, while also saying that it is a mistake and not canon. I cannot tell if you're claiming that he has an issue with the depiction but just hasn't had the gumption to talk about it, i.e. "F" or if you're stating that the man cannot choose what is and isn't canon for his own franchise.
As I said in my first post, this is all to lay to rest the theory that I have seen before hand on multiple instances since the original appearance: "ZUN has seen the artwork, and it's about to be corrected like all the other mistakes". Because six months later, there's still wings.
>>15192128
>>15192153shit i have no counter to thati concede
>>15192146
It's just short-hand, anon.
>>15192309
Well, no sense continuing this argument since I've already lost. But I want to clear one thing up before leaving.
>At the same time, you say "E" is the correct one, while also saying that it is a mistake and not canon.
Just because it made it past ZUN doesn't automatically mean it's canon. See: Brown-haired Futo.
>>15193458
>i concede
And I don't even give a fuck about Aya. We need to get some better Tohus up in here.
Here's a good question: are Akyuu's "powers" legitimate, or do her detailed memoirs of Gensokyo allow her to "remember" her past incarnations' lives? Keep in mind Akyuu herself writes that her memory is not perfect, excusing any mistakes she makes in recollections of the past.
Alternatively: how old is she really, how long does she have left to live, and what kind of panties does she wear?
