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Elona+ Custom 1.55 General Information (for newer players): http://pastebin.com/Zcavai8x
Elona+ Custom 1.55 Mods: http://pastebin.com/vZ8Hfw6C
>>14946534
MAAAA GIIIIIIIIC DAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRTTTT
I'm trying to use the ElonaCustom custom pet AI feature for a ranged pet. What I used was
>if distance <2, move away
>if distance >7, move forward
>if distance <=7, fire gun
I keep getting an error message ("your pet doesn't know how to respond to the current situation"). Am I missing something? Do the commands not prioritize by order?
>>14978797
Pet gets stuck if there is no direct line of sight to the target. Your ai should work fine otherwise.
>>14978820
Ah, gotcha. Seems obvious in hindsight. Probably was just at an awkward angle where it couldn't find a 2-7 distance range to the target due to corners and walls.
By the way, what affects the number of "currently available slots" in the AI window?
>>14978825
It depends on lesser of your or your pet's learning stat.
Any particular flavour of damage spells I should focus on as being universally useful against (almost) all mob types? I'm presuming just magic, but also considering nether for the HP stealing (particularly with area blast attacks).
>dbz
Are we /v/ now?
>>14978871
Don't address the elephant in the room. Just pretend he's not there.
>>14978856
Just about every resistant to pretty much all the attributes not named magic. Level up element scar and nightmare if you want to use non-magic spells.
>tfw you get 2 lucky days in a row during etherwind
I'd played the North Tyris through four times and last time I finished all three parts for the first time now that it's been translated.
Shit got incredibly real, then "lol not done yet"
Beat up Siva Inu to stop being sad.
>>14978871
that's gt
>>14979232
>tfw after 800 scrolls of blessed wonder, you finally get two wish stock, and this happens
WHY DOES IT COME WITH A 1% CHANCE
WHY
>>14978856
MAGIC DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAART
>>14979362
GT doesn't exist
>>14979234
This is why I play at the pace of a dawdling glacier. By the time I get to the end, I expect it to be done. I've been playing for years and only just visited southern tyris for the first time.
>>14979439
Uhh, you know, if you want wishes, a far easier method might be to run around Puppy Cave. Fountains have a chance of spawning each floor, and at high levels you can probably search multiple floors a minute.
Depending on how easily it is for you to get scrolls of wonder, Puppy Cave might be a faster alternative.
>>14979747
Not so fast, munchkin!
>1%+karma bonus (2) chance of getting wish by drinking from well
>The more consecutive fountain wishes one obtains the higher the chance the "You feel as a stroke of good fortune passes by" message will appear at the trigger, instead of the wish prompt. The chance of getting a wish is 1/(previous fountain wish prompts+1). The fountain wish prompt counter decreases by 1 every year of the in-game calendar, to a minimum value of zero. Example: two fountain wish prompts in the first year gives you a counter of 2, meaning only a 1/(2+1) or 1 in 3 chance of getting a wish at the next trigger, with a 2 in 3 chance of the 'stroke of fortune' message. Wait a year without receiving any additional fountain wishes and and the chance of a wish improves to 1 in 2; another year and it is 1 in 1, or 100% chance of a wish prompt.
>3/100
>3/200
>3/300
>3/400
>...
but yes, it is much faster than trying to cast at 1%.
A possibly more efficient method would be to fill one of the floors of your house with toilets. Steal toilets at every opportunity, and over time you could accumulate 300 or more toilets, all ready for drinking.
>>14979844
Wait.
..Toilets count for wishes?
>>14979858
never heard of the toilet fairy ?
>>14979858
Toilets work as fountains as far as I know. Mansion of younger sister, prison, some one-time events, any other places?
>>14979844
I'd rather just steal fountains then make my character drink India toilet water for wishes like some djinn
Do Fountains in towns re-spawn?
>>14979917
they do, but you're liable to burn the entire town down with them.
>>14979917
Thirteen stone for Indian hydration tho
>>14979912
Melkawn has 2 in the casino.
Time to industrialize our toilet drinking!
[Changes and additions]
- Added gauge attacks that trigger with gaze-type attacks other than Eye of brainwashing.
>>14979917
>>14979952
Just fire bolt/rod them with a magatama on hand or while it's raining.
>>14980075
Can ice bolt/breath also "shatter" items in town?
>>14980151
I don't see why not, but you'd have to try it out yourself.
I shall now proceed to ritually molest, cook, and consume this corpse in honor of Kumiromi, blessed be his name, who benevolently gave me enough stamina to shining wave and shadow step this whore into oblivion. All hail Kumiromi! Let's eat!
Anyone know if instrument quality and material type affect performance at all, or do all instruments of the same type (save for unique ones) have the same performance effectiveness?
>>14979952
Alternatively burn the water supplies with molotovs and put them out with strong alcohol, flammable web or magic potions. Do take off your wings to clean up so children won't get drunk through their soles and mess with your karma.
How could this statement be more Elona?
>>14980363
Grats. Maybe you can also kill the other demigods. Should also try to astral pen them as they have nice weapons on them. At the very least you'll have an interesting pet too.
>>14980039
Where could I find the entire changelog as well as a place to suggest changes to E+? To Ano, I mean.
By the way is anyone getting the error where 4chan thinks your post is spam?
>>14980444
What changes would you suggest?
>>14980444
>upcoming changes
shitaraba thread
>past changelog
wikiwiki.
>detailed past changelog
仕様書(elonaplus).txt
>suggest changes
wikiwiki 要望 page
>>14980464
pets op pls nerf
>>14980474
What about them is op?
There's an interesting one on the pet feature suggestion page.
>Unique NPCs like Gwen don't spawn more of themselves when they are set as the breeder on a ranch, so it's impossible to obtain their shit. It would be nice if we could make them drink a laxative or something to obtain their shit.
W-what is he going to do with Gwen's shit?
>>14980462
The ability to buff Zombies directly, maybe? In some form greater than just strengthen?Another thing I'd like to see is Zombies being able to be used as buffs or something based on what they actually are.. Like base zombies could be used as secondary HP bars Whereas fusing a D-EBD to the PC would grant them +PV or something. Then Dolls would add resistances. I don't know. It's just something that's been floating around in my head.
Also maybe making NPCs affected by god worship based on their faith skill/will/your faith. E.g a pet with ~300 Faith would get a large speed boost when worshiping Lulwy. Same for ALL other NPCs. Also maybe making them affected by Etherwind. If possible this could be made into a different game difficulty but I wouldn't mind if it was made a part of advancing.
>>14980464
I don't know how to navigate shitaraba.
>>14980528
If you just want the 1.56 changelog thus far:
[Changes and additions]
- Added 6 high-level members to the Shell race. Added 1 evolution pattern.
- Doubled the effect of the passive ability from worshipping Mani.
The ability from Opatos has been made to affect more than physical damage.
Yacatect's ability will now also increase the drop rate of regular items.
Speed increase and speed cap for worshipping Lulwy also increased.
20% of max health added to formula for Prayer of Jure, but only for the player.
- Made it so that Mist of Silence effect will not show up even when out of sight.
- Added 2 special actions. Made the detection-type feats available through purchase instead.
- Changed stamina recovery from 2 sp/10 turns to 2 sp/4 turns.
- Made stamina regeneration from worshipping Kumiromi recover 1 sp/2 turns.
- Changed mana battery calculation. Spells levels won't be 0, increased the amount of spell stock gained, and made it display what stock was gained or if mana was recovered.
- Changed harpy race's second leg slot to a back slot.
- When the sum of "chance of extra ranged/melee attack" enchants and the bonus from Dual Wield skill reaches a certain amount, extra attacks become guaranteed. Changed it to make the extra attacks somewhat random.
- Added a sound effect that plays when entering a floor with a Big Daddy in it
- Prevented empty items from showing up in the list of things to (o)pen. You can now open containers by spamming the shortcut key assigned to them.
- Added two gaze-type special actions. Added a feat that will confer one of them.
- Modified medusa, euryale, stheno, and cockatrice's AIs. Only the newly-generated NPCs will experience this change.
- Added gauge attacks that trigger with gaze-type attacks other than Eye of brainwashing.
[Fixes]
- Fixed some descriptions.
- Fixed Shining Wave having a water sound effect.
- Fixed message displayed when stepping on essential oil and gasoline puddles. Gasoline puddles generated in a previous version will display as and act like essential oil though.
- Fixed alchemy rain not triggering a flag and causing bugged exp gain.
- Made a sub quest added in 1.55 recognize when the year changes.
NB: Sophia's quest.
- Made duel opponents not capturable with monster balls.
- Made maximum HP/MP not overflow.
- Fixed critical hit damage multiplier when unarmed not going above 1.
- Extra attacks should proc less the more arms the character has - the modifier wasn't working, and it's fixed now.
- Fixed the bonus skill selected during character creation disappearing if the game is closed without saving right after the opening scene. Can't guarantee that it'll work properly if you quit before the dialogue in the beginning though.
>>14980528
>I don't know.
You'll have to flesh these ideas out and make a good presentation of them to have any chance of Ano picking it up.
>>14980509
Only in a game such as elona would a request like this arise
Maybe he's into scat and masturbates to the fetish content of the game along with imagination
I always thought that CGs could be modded in for sleep sharing events if someone ever wanted to add custom H content to the game
>>14980528
>>14980550
>Like base zombies could be used as secondary HP bars Whereas fusing a D-EBD to the PC would grant them +PV or something.
This would be based on /how/ many zombies were fused as well as skill level. E.g if you had six zombies of the cat type, fusing them would grant up to +60 speed for as long as they were fused to the player. This would be based on a counter of ten which would grow by one for each 100 skill levels in both Anatomy and Alchemy.
e.g if your skill levels are 80 and 60, respectively you wouldn't be able to fuse any zombies into the player. This would have to come with some weaknesses but do you see where I'm trying to go with this? Do you see any immediate issues with it?
I'd also like to see greater penalties for apostasy. It's not enough that we get the inconvenient debuff, I feel like it should be directly proportional to how much favor you accrued with the previous god. If I was Mani and my high priest defected to Lulwy, I'd be more than just tiffed. I'd want to doom their and their pet's entire inventories and 4DM for starters. You know how Itzpalt and Kumiromi mention god wars and shit? I was also thinking that NPCs should get temporary buffs based on both their and your faith skills. Like if it spotted you, was a worshipper of Lulwy and you worshiped Mani it would recieve a massive speed and stat buff based on both it and your faith that goes on top of everything else. Because in the lore Mani is Lulwy's enemy and there is no reason why she should not use her minions to destroy his.
Same thing for Karma. It needs to be fleshed out.
>>14980566
> fusing them
He did say something about fusing zombies. (Albeit to each other and not to the player.)
>greater penalties for apostasy
That just seems like a pain in the ass.
> doom their and their pet's inventories
So leave the pets at home and have a blessed scroll of uncurse on the ground? Or even better - get stark naked at truce grounds and dump everything on the ground before converting.
Maybe Noa intended to do more with gods, seeing as how Ehekatl says something about the first Ehekatl. Maybe it could tie in with the main quest at the very end. Maybe that's what Ano would do, maybe not. Actually, maybe Ano is heading in that direction, what with the demi-god NPC sub quests.
>>14980566
Do all the gods hate each other? As you've pointed out, Mani and Lulwy are probably not on good terms and Itzpalt's goals probably puts him at odds with everyone. The other gods I'm not sure where they stand. I can't imagine Ehekatl being outright angry with the other gods. Jure seems like a recently ascended god as she's constantly questioning whether she's fit for the job so I don't see her having enough time to cultivate hatred for the other gods. Ditto for Yacatect. Newly ascended and cares more about money and fortune in general than anything else. Although, now that I think about it, a god of fortune might one day come to see a god of luck as a potential rival for believers. Kumiromi is a strange one. Don't know what's going on with him. Seems peaceful but who knows. Might be a brutal war god once provoked due to that yandere side of him. Kumiromi is about farms and working the land and Optatos is supposedly the god of the earth as well so maybe there's a potential rivalry there. I can't get the image of Opatos bullying the hell out of Kumiromi out of my mind though. Anyone have any lore to set the record straight on any of this?
>>14980483
Well, Elona custom added the ability to teach pets new skills, which boosted their strength considerably over vanilla. Previously you might have very fragile mobs that were balanced with powerful special abilities or spells, and very tought/strong mobs with bad special abilities.
Since you can teach pets any ability/spell now, you can just slap the most powerful abilities on the powerful ones, making them far more powerful than before.
>>14980566
I'd laugh if you managed to get such a rapport with a god that they'd show up right before you if you tried to leave. Ehekatl would probably break out into tears and wailing(mewmew). Kumiromi would "reap" you and Lulwy literally puts you in a cage. Jure would have a complete tsundere meltdown.
>>14980731
That's custom's problem, then.
Do maps swap/move NPCs during special events, or are they just duplicate copies?
For example, if I see unique NPCs in Party Time! quests, will they remember it and hate me for it after the quest is over?
Or if I blow up Noyel during the festival, will this damage persist afterwards, or is the map simply swapped out for normal Noyel after the festival ends? (And if maps are swapped, does any damage done during one Jure Festival remain during the next one?)
>>14980750
>if I see unique NPCs in Party Time! quests,
* Meant to type, "if I KILL unique NPCs in Party Time! quests"
>>14980761
For Party Time quests, yes, they are just copies with random equipment, some are always generated with some items (Like Bow of Vindere or the Ether Dagger)
Kill NPCs in Party Time quests only hurts your Karma (And fame if the party fails)
P.S. Kill Sisters in the harder Party Time quests, they give AP and their corpse gives some mind resistance
>>14980540
Is 1.56 out yet? I already switched to my waifu Jure and the lack of stamina for doing shit is painful
If its not out, what is the eta?
>>14980784
Nope, and dunno.
>>14979844
>>14979917 (You)
>>14979952
>>14979977
>>14980075
THE FOUNTAIN IDEA WORKED, I didn't even need to steal any yet!
What late game wish should I go for? I wanted to put Jure in the fort to fight Shiva, but I can't move this wish. What could possibly be a good choice?
I could use sox. How many sox can a wish get me?I forgot my picture please don't bully me
>>14980850
>>14980881
Have you invited all gods to your house yet?
Do you need an astral light pen to copy a waifu?
Do you have all feats yet?
>>14980881
>I could use sox. How many sox can a wish get me?
What are sox used for?
Anyway, get a Philosopher's stone mask or a Forbidden Meat.
>>14980888
My house is not Rank 1 yet, so I can't invite them.
I've no astral light pen, but I have no plans to use any, my waifu Jure should be free
I don't have all the feats, I guess a secret experience of Kurimori could help, but I do have some fairies in my Ranch.
>>14980897
I have multiple of these items and can craft them easily
>>14980897
>Forbidden Meat.
>Using a wish on something that only requires 15 skill points to craft yourself. And one that is purely cosmetic.
Ignore this moron, anon. If you want to be a futa, just craft it yourself.
>>14980906
I just realized what I could wish for when other any mentioned the Philosopher's Mask, I could really use a God Heart since that is why I wanted Shiva dead anyway.
How to wish for God Heart?
>>14980911
>How to wish for God Heart?
Wish for Hitler, post result.
>>14980881
My general checklist for wishes
- seven league boots
- happy bed
- twin speed rings
- muromi (extra feats)
- potions of evolution (make sure you have a piece of anti-mutation gear to lock in the good mutations, otherwise you'll just lose them later)
Then come the lower priority things you pick depending on your current needs
- material kits (you can get these swapped to different materials at the dwarf workshop, even if you get a crappy one)
- new skills (if you're too lazy to bust into guilds)
- kagami mochi (+2 luck)
>>14980911
Can't wish for hearts.
>>14980907
>>14980906
Still haven't answered the question about sox. Why did you want sox?
Speed rings are useless by late-early game, you only need one SLB and why are you wishing for evos? Like wtf just invest in your vendors. It's not like the mutations are that valuable or useful. Miromis are useful though.
>>14980933
I already got all positive mutations from potions of evolution from my 800 scroll of wonder quest
If I can't wish for a God Heart, I'm probably just gonna wish for a random artifact.
>>14980943
I'd go either Miromi for the feats, or scroll of flying (being able to carry a grand piano, food processor, or happy bed everywhere is nice), otherwise kamgami mochi for the luck.
>>14980933
>speed rings
>potions of evolution
>material kits
>skills
Those are really not difficult to obtain, anon. May as well wish for flying scrolls, and even those are questionable. Maybe in vanilla, but not in plus where rods of wishes are a lot rarer.
>kagami mochi
Happy apple from tickets if you must. It gives a whopping +20. Mochi is not worth it.
>muromi
Good taste.
>>14980979
>Happy apple
Thought you couldn't wish for those?
>>14980943
>>14980967
rip
At least I can go Artifact Fusion it
>>14980980
No, you can't. I mean get them via music tickets instead.
>>14980986
>wants a wish so badly he creates 800 scrolls of wonder
>spends it just to get some mediocre random artefact.
Some men just want to watch the world burn.
You should have at least wished for youth or something.
>>14981020
That was for a mobile wish to wish for Jure to annihilate my enemy
Wishing for her in a town is pointless
I could just eat those lunches from the sea hag
I tried to wish for Pickpocket so I could start stealing things, but wishing for #pocket didn't get me the ability. What gives?
Already got muh boots though, so I might be set for now.
>>14980986
That's literally the stupidest wish I've seen anyone post in an Elona thread on /jp/ since we first learned about the game. Why would you do that?
I've seen in game chat about stupider ones though.
Being level 60 without a Rank 1 house is straight up embarrassing though. Since getting all the Deities in your house is a good goal, especially with the bonus faith items you need to talk to them for. But I think that since you wished for an axe at such a level, you may just be straight up retarded. You could easily make a good axe all yourself by waiting for a decent artifact axe, changing the material, and artifact fusion. Wishing for one is straight up idiotic.
You could've got another feat, the new ones are going to have more bonus special actions. Or an Astral Pen (although they are easy to get through the main quest and the Witch near Palmia's quests), or even flying scrolls (good for light armor users)
>>14980881
I'd start using my wishes for scrolls of attribute and flying if you aren't in need of much of anything else. The scrolls of attribute is for artifact fusion and flying scrolls will be useful if you get something too heavy or if you have any future plans of actually wielding an inner god weapon. Like the other anon said, miromi is good if you don't have most if not all the feats.
>>14980897
Not that anon but sox can be traded in for faith scrolls from the sox thief in the space shuttle looking area of lost Irva or better yet, traded to Urcaguary to complete her quest and be rewarded the Grandel and a jewel tear of god. If you continue to do sox turn in to her you can get additional jewel tear of gods which are ingredients for artifact fusion. I would imagine additional magic damage to be a good one.
>>14981090
It was either that or Hitler
I can also just get free deitys for my house in November, its not hard to kill in game time or gain the 5000 favor.
>>14981101
I'd do attribute or flying, but you only get one scroll of flying if I remember which is kind of just meh
I already got a good deal of flying scrolls anyway
>>14981090
>feat
It might be worth getting the careful feats in 1.55 now. Just to save on AP when they become available through Leold instead or something.
>stupidest wish
Quite.
>>14981090
>>14981226
>tfw I crafted a spear that was better immediately afterward and used that for fusion
I should of wished for Hitler, I'm sorry anon
>>14980920
Woo, level 100!
I've never made it this far before. My previous best was around 50.
>>14981813
If you're going to discuss your character, at least post a screenshot of it, so we can be patronizing and belittling about your attribute build.
>>14981851
N-no. My character is already 500 hours old but still has stats in the 100s.
Do pets increase their attribute potential when they train in town, or is it only skill potential?
>>14981948
2% attributes 3% skills per training.
>>14981957
I see, thanks. That explains why their potential never seems to go down.
>The Charge Attack ability is the same that you can learn with 120 constitution once you progress enough through the storyline.
Huh? Is this still available?
>>14981903
Not him, but I'm a newb so would be interested in seeing other peoples' chars so I can learn by example.
>>14982230
I just started a week or so ago after seeing the Elona threads on /jp/ and asked for some help progressing the last thread around, so I'd be interested in seeing people's characters too.
Goblin predator, and I'm using the Lucky Dagger with the Shield Tonfa as an offhand. I wanted to dual-wield initially but the penalty to spellcasting from medium armor + dual-wield was too much. I should be higher level but one of my artifact rings has been constantly leeching my EXP and I've yet to find a better one without drawbacks.
>>14982408
Forgot image.
>>14982416
>>14982416
>all those great potential values
I'm jelly.
Here's mine. I've been playing Elona on and off the last few years (with months/years breaks in between picking it up), but I end up forgetting most of what I learned in between the breaks. So I'm half-newbie, half-veteran.
Fair warning, the stats are pretty inflated because it's a gene file incarnation of one of my older games. It inherited lots of artefact gear and attribute-boosting consumables (mostly for speed and luck), if the massive speed didn't tip you off to that already.
The only major downside is that playing with a very high speed character sends your potentials into the crapper due to how relatively few sleeps compared to dungeons cleared. It's extremely rare my potential gets above "Bad" for attributes.
>>14980731
Not going to argue that what elona custom added was powerful but I don't consider it op. Especially since most of the stuff that you can teach your pet to do you can do yourself but even with all these bag of tricks available people still die. On the topic of teaching stuff to your pet, there are certain things you can't teach your pet such as wish, meteor, etc. Also, in regards to teaching pets spells, it may seem powerful but you have to be diligent in raising the casting skill to keep their spells relevant. This takes a lot of time and work and If you don't put in the work, then eventually no matter what you teach your pet, it will eventually become useless as it's not scaling enough to meet your needs. Also, certain special actions have their own skills and attributes which they scale off of. All in all, the ability to have your pet learn stuff and use it is only as powerful as the work you put into it.
>>14981448
>I should of wished for Hitler, I'm sorry anon
Nah, I was just trying to make you waste your wish in a funny way.
>>14982408
Just continue with the main story and eventually you'll come upon these two rings:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ring_of_Steel_Dragon
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Palmia_Pride
Why can''t I access the mountain pass to Larna? Says I don't have permission to enter it. wtf
>>14982915
>wish for german
>get shit
Haha. Scatophilia.
>>14983051
Hitler was austrian you silly man.
>>14983014
Maybe you're trying to enter the void?
Also what should I try to get to teach Control Magic to my Fox Brother? I'm level 35 or so. Do any of the Slave Traders' offers have the Control Magic gene...?
>>14983907
Try to get a nurse from slave trader, she should have it. Or capture a drake.
Can you teleport via return to a discarded ranch?
>>14983907
Fallen Soldiers have control magic.
>>14982900
Ok, here's why I think custom is ridiculously OP:
1. They can learn buff spells. All of them.
2. They will use buff spells only when appropriate. And when appropriate, they will use it 100% of the time. And have you seen that pet that buffed itself with 2000 casting skill? Holy veil on all pets is crazy powerful too.
3. They will buff you when appropriate, 100% of the time.
4. Sure, you have to keep their casting skill up. But you can set their AI to cast a lot of spells, and that makes their casting skill skyrocket. It's not like pet skill potential is difficult to keep up at all, and pets levels skills 4 times as fast. Heck, they have skills coming out of their wazoo just because of traveling.
5. They can and will execute the attack move you tell them to, 100% of the time. The problem with learning the tactical attack moveset from Leold is that shadow step isn't used very often. Here, you can have your pet use it. All. The. Time. Your melee pet would be everywhere.
6. They can heal themselves, and will do it 100% of the time. For regular e+ pets, most pets can't heal themselves, and will rely on you or a pet with tactical heal or something silly like a nurse. And healing rain from tactical heal is random. Aaaand they only use a lousy Heal Critical. In Custom? Cure of Jua if you want. On every single pet. And you can set it to something like 75% health.
7. You can debuff the enemy, 100% of the time. And not just with the regular debuff spells. You can make it chain element scar -> bubble storm -> thunder vortex.
8. You save on AP. Crystal spear from Leold? Pfft. Change their AI? Don't need that.
9. Fuck, it's even better than evolving your exile. Who needs eclipse when you can have magic storm? Or how about shadow step -> magic storm?
It's like you're arguing that an instant-win button isn't OP because you have to reach for it and press it. The additional effort that you have to put in is negligible compared to what you would've put in anyway in regular E+, and the returns are astronomical.
Should my pets and I be focused on light, medium, or heavy armor? I know each skill set has its own set of associated abilities. But I haven't played long enough to determine which I should be focused on for myself and my pets.
>>14984952
For you pets - heavy.
For you - depends on how much you rely on magic. If you mainly attack with spells, then light. But if you are a warmage and you want that additional damage from magic equip, you might want medium. Melee and ranged only - heavy.
That said, most people do rely on buff and healing spells even if they're a melee/ranged character, and flying scrolls aren't that hard to come by later on, so I prefer going with light armor myself.
>>14985003
Why heavy? Is it just a matter of the heaviest armour sets usually pushing you into heavy equipment weight, or does intentionally being in the heavy category confer special bonuses?
And does the same hold true in Elona custom? (where all pets can spellcast). Does the spellcasting ability eventually override the heavy armour spellcasting penalty, if your skill is high enough?
>>14985013
Heavy stuff has more PV. Pets will always have 95% cast rate, regardless of armour weight. 100% if they're warmage. Precious armor (like the war suit) is light and has good PV, but you may want those for yourself. Resists are important in E+, but some PV doesn't hurt either. You could build your pet around DV instead of PV, but... I'm not sure how well that would work.
No, casting skill level will not be able to overcome armor weight, shield, or dual wield penalty. Warmage will alleviate the penalty by 5%, but it will still never be 100% for the player.
>>14984860
Player can pre-buff, while pets will start buffing only when the actual combat begins. By the time they will get ready you should already finish off the boss.
Healing? Yes, it's good, not super-regene tier tho.
And it's not like Leold already has Variable storm and crystall spear.
Here is my preliminary proposal. I know it's a bit OP but I can't think of any adequate weaknesses just yet. Also need some help thinking of a suitable mummy bonus.
The player should be able to fuse zombies into their character for buffs based on the type and maybe level of the zombie. I was thinking that the maximum number of zombies that should be fusable could be capped at 10. Players would only be able to start fusing a single zombie once both their Alchemy and Anatomy skill levels reached 100. For every hundred levels in both skills, for example when both Alchemy and Anatomy were at 200, they'd gain another slot with which they could fuse a zombie. Once both skills hit level 1000 and they were able to fuse all ten creatures, I was thinking then that for every ten skill levels above 1000 that the effects of the fusion would be increased. Here are my preliminary thoughts on how the system would work:
Cat zombies would offer at the base:
+10 Speed
+15 Per
+15 Dex
+15 Evasion
per cat fusioned. In other words, if you had ten cats fused to the player they would gain +100 speed, +150PER,+150DEX and +150 to Evasion. I was thinking also that at skill levels 1100, 1200, 1300 etc, the cats would offer +20 to PER and DEX as well as +15 to Speed and so on.
The base Zombies which are just one step up above cats I feel should offer a secondary HP bar which would have HP based on how many zombies are fused to it as well as the Zombie and player's Con stat. Each Zombie would add 100 + (Their CON + Player character's CON). The amount of HP would be multiplied by the number of Zombies. i.e if you fused ten zombies you'd get an HP bar with 1000 + ((Zombie CON*10) + Player CON).
Each 100 skill levels past 1000 in both Alchemy and Anatomy would add +50 to the HP bar.
Skeleton Warriors I think would add:
+10 to Tactics per Warrior
+15 Strength per Warrior
+15 CON per Warrior
Pretty straightforward, I think? Ten Warriors would add +100 to Tactics, + 150 to Strength and +150 to CON. Each hundred skill levels above 1000 would make the bonuses be increased by 5 (e.g 15 Tactics per Warrior at skill levels 1100 in both Alchemy and Anatomy).
Should I cut this up into multiple posts or just make a pastebin?
>>14985064
Lich would add:
+10 to Casting per Lich
+10 to Control Magic
+15 to MAG per Lich
+15 to LER per Lich.
It would scale much the same was as the Cats and Warriors.
Necro Dolls would give:
+50 to MP per doll
-5% MP cost for spells per Doll.
Each time you were attacked the enemy has a chance of getting debuffed with any of the following:
Bleed, Poison, Element Scar, Nightmare, Confusion, Blind, Rage, Wet, Oily, Mist of Silence and Mist of frailness.
Every hundred levels above 1000, the enemy's chance of getting debuffed would increase.
Dragon Zombie would add:
Reduce SP cost of breath attacks by half
+50 PV per Dragon Zombie
Increase power of MP breath by 1% per Dragon.
Every hundred skill levels past 1000 would add +1% power of MP breath and +50 PV.
Dead Eyes Blood Dragon:
+30 STR per D-EBD
+5% increase to power of breath attacks per Dragon
Every hundred skill levels above 1000 in both Anatomy and Alchemy would add +10 STR and +1% to breath attack power.
Originally I had it so that the effects would increase every ten levels above 1000 but that still makes the bonuses scale ridiculously.
Is there a way to become "neutral" again after you use the treasure of the wicked / saint ?
>>14985190
Kind of? They overwrite one another, so if you don't like one you can replace it with the other. But no way to actually return to neutral, without probably tinkering in EloSnack to edit the save.
Also, unrelated question: Elona Custom lets you teach any spell/ability to pets, but does it work backwards? Can you pick up abilities from pets/mobs?
>>14985190
Visit the oblivion palace.
>>14985275
>Elona Custom lets you teach any spell/ability to pets, but does it work backwards? Can you pick up abilities from pets/mobs?
For RP purposes that would be fantastic but no.
>>14983984
No. Place it near your house.
Christ, I just got Ragnarok from a level 20-ish Party Time! quest.
If I had known they were this lucrative, I'd have always rolled Pianist for my start class.
>>14985683
Does anyone actually use the Rag? What's it useful for?
>>14985697
Mob farming (especially for chests/medals). Since they don't scale up like summon monster, it makes it easy to farm huge numbers of valuable mobs below your level.
I got a eternal force weapon from a rare treasure orb on a lucky day, any good uses for the cold attack? Can it kill some chaos fort boss maybe?
>>14985739
What does Eternal Force do?
>>14985753
It wrecks shit.
>>14985753
1-use massive attack that applies death word to everyone
Should I bash stuff in melee with kill kill piano?
>>14985064
Feedback: I'm no dev and just saying what I think. Also understand the dev Ano has his own view of how necromancy should work, so don't expect any implementation from him.
The first major issue is the skill levels required for fusing. Elona operates on exponential growth curves, not additive, so anyone having both alchemy and anatomy at 1000 is unlikely if not impossible(?). Resident postgame player Kai will have to fill us in on his skill levels after 800 hours of play, but understand that only 0.01% of players are ever going to reach 10 zombies under your system. (My own 400 hour character played leisurely is at 100 anatomy, 130 alchemy). Conceivably more viable would be 1 added zombie per 50 levels in alchemy and anatomy. Also maybe lower the cap to 5 zombies, since most won't be achieving high levels of alchemy+anatomy.
Second: Are these in addition to the zombies you can already have out through coffins of necromancy, or do these take up 10 of the zombie slots if maxed out? Can I use 15 pets in addition to 10 zombies on my body, provided I have the skill levels?
Now: To my eye, the stat bonuses aren't a huge deal balance-wise because they're accrued gradually - they'd basically have a similar effect to the god stat bonuses, but scaling further into the late game.
Issues with those bonuses: first, zombie HP bonuses aren't quite in line with the HP formula as it is: Maximum HP = 5 + Life*(Constitution + CharacterLevel (Constitution * 2 + Strength + Will) / 20) / 100. It's not clear how the added zombies would be "calculated" in this formula. What is the end goal for HP increase? An exponential increase? Additive? How much HP should I be gaining if I currently have 1000? 10000? 100000?
The necro dolls, similar issue. Are we talking 50 MP flat (totally useless) or 50 mana (gamebreakingly good for a spellcaster)? The MP calculation is (Magic * 2 + Will + Learning) * Level / 20 + Magic) * Mana / 100 . Where does +50 MP fit into this? Maybe eliminate it entirely in favor of the MP cost reduction, although I'm sure that would bring about some goofiness with the magic capacity skill. It's also not clear what the debuffs are there for besides coolness - maybe limit them to bleed, poison, blind, rage, and confusion.
Dragon zombies - someone will have to fill me in on the power of breath attacks and 500-plus PV scaling. To the uninformed like myself, the PV looks nice but not as nice as bonus HP or MP, while the breath bonus looks useless if the breath skills themselves are useless to begin with.
Debd: Same as dragon zombie. Appears to be outclassed by the warrior except for users of breath attacks.
Overall, lots of moving parts but the machine isn't yet solid. Balancing each zombie type with another appears just as tricky as balancing necromancy with the overall game.
Why does the slut princess carry an entire inventory of tomatoes? Is it some sort of a reference?
>>14985840
It works. Plenty of damage, and it counts as a blunt weapon. If only it weren't so heavy!
>>14986015
Silvia and the leopard dude are characters from Guin Saga. The tomatoes may be a reference to the late author's provocative remarks about the critics of his works, calling them "people who came to throw rotten tomatoes at him".
>>14986047
That's amusing. I actually planned to watch that, but never got around to it
Is she so slutty in the Saga too?
>>14986008
> Are these in addition to the zombies you can already have out through coffins of necromancy
Nope.
>The first major issue is the skill levels required for fusing. Elona operates on exponential growth curves, not additive, so anyone having both alchemy and anatomy at 1000 is unlikely if not impossible(?). Resident postgame player Kai will have to fill us in on his skill levels after 800 hours of play, but understand that only 0.01% of players are ever going to reach 10 zombies under your system. (My own 400 hour character played leisurely is at 100 anatomy, 130 alchemy). Conceivably more viable would be 1 added zombie per 50 levels in alchemy and anatomy. Also maybe lower the cap to 5 zombies, since most won't be achieving high levels of alchemy+anatomy.
That makes sense.
>The necro dolls, similar issue. Are we talking 50 MP flat (totally useless) or 50 mana (gamebreakingly good for a spellcaster)? The MP calculation is (Magic * 2 + Will + Learning) * Level / 20 + Magic) * Mana / 100 . Where does +50 MP fit into this? Maybe eliminate it entirely in favor of the MP cost reduction, although I'm sure that would bring about some goofiness with the magic capacity skill. It's also not clear what the debuffs are there for besides coolness - maybe limit them to bleed, poison, blind, rage, and confusion.
I was thinking here that they could add onto the player's MP. I think it would need to scale somehow based on both the player's MAG & their MAG. The debuffs are there so that the bonuses kind of reflect the monster you're fused to. Like, the whole purposes of the dolls are debuffs. Like that's the whole reason you'd summon them. Being melee creatures I thought it would be interesting as well if melee players got to punish creatures in return when they got attacked.
>Issues with those bonuses: first, zombie HP bonuses aren't quite in line with the HP formula as it is: Maximum HP = 5 + Life*(Constitution + CharacterLevel (Constitution * 2 + Strength + Will) / 20) / 100. It's not clear how the added zombies would be "calculated" in this formula. What is the end goal for HP increase? An exponential increase? Additive? How much HP should I be gaining if I currently have 1000? 10000? 100000?
You know how when you ride a creature you get an extra HP bar to watch over? The idea was to fusion that bar with the AP feat which absorbs damage based on your current MP. Basically, the zombies are supposed to act as kind of a souped up meat-shield.
>>14986057
I've never read/watched it either, but to very roughly paraphrase the article I just read,She was the sole successor to the throne and was kinda bratty due to the pressure it put on her. She then changed for the better when she met Guin, the leopard dude. And then she got kidnapped by someone and was raped and tortured. She remained broken after that and was never the same again.
She would later verbally abuse Guin and then go to have sex with people in the town, eventually siring children with god-knows-who.
Might not be accurate because I skimmed it, but you get the idea.
Also, because of the glacial pace at which the author worked in his later years, the series was never finished.
>>14986008
>>14986063
>
Dragon zombies - someone will have to fill me in on the power of breath attacks and 500-plus PV scaling. To the uninformed like myself, the PV looks nice but not as nice as bonus HP or MP, while the breath bonus looks useless if the breath skills themselves are useless to begin with.
Debd: Same as dragon zombie. Appears to be outclassed by the warrior except for users of breath attacks.
As I mentioned with the dolls I felt like the bonuses the player receives should kind of be based on the monster they're fused to. I mean, really, dragon breath is their calling card. I feel like there's a lot that can be done with breath but I wasn't sure where to draw the line wrt the increases to breath power so I went a bit conservative.
I also wasn't sure where to go wrt the DE-BDs. If I gave them HP then they'd kind of trample the feet of the Zombies, not to mention they'd do it far worse than them. Maybe a speed bonus would be good but I'm not sure how that could be scaled well.
>What is the end goal for HP increase? An exponential increase? Additive? How much HP should I be gaining if I currently have 1000? 10000? 100000?
If your HP is 1000 then their's could be around 1500 - 2000. The thing is, as I said, they're supposed to be meat shields, supplements. Like that's their whole purpose.
cat princess or catsister god? 50 life sounds like a lot, but so does 100 speed
>>14986207
Life is harder to improvve than speed, unless you can get hero cheese easier than AP. Go for the evolution path which gives life.
What's the soft cap for Charisma? Meaning the point at which the negatives (increasing AP costs) outweigh the benefits (selling costs, party size).
If I recall correctly, to get max party size, you need only ~60. And there's limited use for extremely high bartering skills due to how plentiful gold can be in the late game. And it's not like Charisma helps at all in combat outside of Eye of X and Cheer.
Can the unique items (the kind with mostly fixed stats, and only from very specific quests/locations) have their base material changed?
>>14986338
No.
They CAN be slightly rerolled with scrolls of superior material, however, which can give them a couple extra buffs/debuffs.
>>14984860
I don't understand. A lot of what you list as making a pet OP a player can do and do it better if the spells technical page on the wiki is anything to go by. Also the player is a whole lot smarter than a pet. Yet, is there any player that has claimed they're OP and wanted a nerf to themselves and others? Considering later on that a bunch of enemies can silence you and drop every hex on you imaginable you'll be thankful that you do have your buffs and holy veils to even up the fight for both you and your pets. I'm wondering where each of you guys are at to make you think your pets are op. Are you guys challenging yourself enough? Unless you guys are doing like lv 600 or more dungeons or deep levels of the void I'm not sure whether to believe you or not. That guy Kai says he's having trouble with the void and he has some really strong pets.
>>14986357
> I'm wondering where each of you guys are at to make you think your pets are op. Are you guys challenging yourself enough?
Right off the bat: I'm against any nerfs to pets. However, I'm level sixty-four and with my pets I can regularly dive down to DL:190. The only reason I don't is so that I still have easy dungeons to farm.
>>14986390
I would expect that more people in the party acts as a force multiplier but I'm interested in how players and their pets do when enemies are scaling and when all the enemy types are available.
Does Pierce % on weapons ignore a % of their PV score or does it just straight up ignore X% of the percentage damage reduction from PV?
>>14986357
>>14984860 is me.
>>14980474 is not me.
Custom AI is OP, that's why I'm not using it. I also don't care if it gets nerfed or not, because I'm not using it. I'm just responding to the claim that it's not OP, because it is.
> you'll be thankful that you do have your buffs and holy veils to even up the fight
Exactly. In regular E+, that is not a luxury you have. It is too much of a game-changer. But like Overdose mode, I don't care if someone uses it.
>Are you guys challenging yourself enough?
I don't. I play well below the limits of my character. But your point is that even with the custom AI and buffed up pets the player will eventually meet his limit in the void, right? My point is that this limit comes significantly sooner for pets without that AI. And I know my pets would benefit a lot from Shadow Step and buff spell spamming.
>a player can do and do it better
Sure, if you have unlimited spell stock, no need to level individual spells, and gained skills/attributes several times faster than others.
>>14986525
>Sure, if you have unlimited spell stock, no need to level individual spells, and gained skills/attributes several times faster than others.
Not that anon but I like to think that since they don't have to worry about spell stock that's why their spells are inferior to the players. Also, getting virtually unlimited stock for buff spells and many other spells for the player is not a hard thing to do due to book reservation from the mage guild. The rate of gain is built right into Elona+ and is not a custom thing but I'm just putting that out there not for you, as I'm sure you already knew that, but for others who don't know.
For the rate of skill gains, I would like to think the gains are a counterbalance to the fact that pets don't gain bonus skill points when they level. So what they're left with is either to grind out the skills themselves, AP, or the traveling skill. The player one ups the pet because he can get bonus points from leveling and has access to everything the pet has in leveling skill. As for attributes gain, it's absolutely equal to the player until you add herbs into the equation. It's up to the player if they want to take advantage of that but all I'll say about that is let your pet grow too strong that it leaves you in the dust, you'll pay for it later in awakened dungeons and the void. The usage of gold to spend on trainers in town for potentials is a much better system than what we had earlier.
Imagine a world where the only way to have raised attribute potentials were from potions of potential and the only way of raising skills was through the dojo and it's absolutely insane prices and small gains it provided, then imagine before that we didn't even have that.
>>14986704
I'm just directly answering this:
> A lot of what you list as making a pet OP a player can do and do it better
I know that's not his point, and that he was saying that custom pet AI or no pet AI, the player is better in every way anyway, so pet AI is not OP.
And I'm not complaining about E+'s pet system. Though looking back, training is a lot more lenient than it was under vanilla's system. There was no cap on training cost and it increased with levels. Was the increase 500 gp per level or something? Here, it's a fraction if INI + AP, further reduced by charisma, AND capped.
>>14986487
The first one.
Why is Bakuretsu so good? Does it scale with your grenade? how is it calculated?
I'll throw my two cents in here, for what its worth.
I do think the Custom AI is - or rather has the potential to be - unbalanced. There are a few things I did to attempt to keep it from being too absurd (like the energy system), but I know it's still too much.
Honestly it was a bit of a personal feature - I love customizeable AI and wanted to see it in Elona. I've already done the natural grind to the inner gods before, so I wasn't too concerned about how it affected my playthrough.
In the future, I plan on doing some things to make certain enemies more difficult (gods, inner gods, story bosses), as well as add some customizable difficulty settings (skill/attribute/base exp gain rates, enemy level/attribute/skill multipliers, etc.) that will hopefully allow you tweak things to a point where you feel the game is more challenging even if using Custom AI.
I'd actually love being able to enable spell levels on pets, but I don't know how much work it would be yet.
>>14987461
Martial arts itself did get a buff in a patch from last year.
>Martial Arts attacks can now proc additional attacks up to 7 times (for a total of 8 attacks)
But no idea how the grenade added damage is calculated. My normal punch is 2400, the grenade afterward about half that.
>>14987706
>>14987461
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Special_action_(Elona%2B)/Technical#BakuretaKen
>>14986273
Your current stats doesn't interfere with AP gain in any way, inly the INItial value. Reduction in AP gains comes from already accumulated AP.
>>14987655
I'm worried that first considerably boosting pet power, and then further boosting difficulty to offset this, may inevitably be shifting the entire focus of the late game: away from an adventure RPG, to a real-time strategy game.
I can't speak for others, but by reducing the player's share of the killing power and handing it off to the pets, it feels like pets will be less of a beneficial asset and more of a vital necessity to beat the game.
I think the easiest way to retain balance is to offer some sort of offset for custom pets. Instead of a fixed party size based on charisma, introduce a point system. Each custom pet (with taught spells and custom AI) would take up, let's say, 4 points. Non-custom pets take up 2 points.
On top of this, these points can also be used for boosting feats. This would allow players to still function with an elite cadre of say 2-3 pets (with the leftover points being spent on abilities/feats that boost party performance), rather than forcing them to deploy a small army ot maximize firepower. Maybe even a handful of stronger feats for purely solo, petless players.
>>14987918
>On top of this, these points can also be used for boosting feats. This would allow players to still function with an elite cadre of say 2-3 pets (with the leftover points being spent on abilities/feats that boost party performance), rather than forcing them to deploy a small army ot maximize firepower. Maybe even a handful of stronger feats for purely solo, petless players.
Actually, you may not even need a point system for that bit. Just have a set of feats that trigger based on the number of pets out similar to the Kokou feat. Like:
>+100% speed, +50% damage to self if no pets are on map.
>+50% speed, +25% damage to entire party if one pets is on map.
>+33% speed, +17% damage to entire party if two pets are on map.
or something like that.
>>14987918
To be honest, I'm not so sure that the first part of your comment really applies.
Like anything I add to Custom, any difficulty changes would be toggleable - ignore them if you want, whatever. But I see a common complaint is that pets grow too fast compared to the player. But what if there was a way to lower it if you think that's true? Or even raise it if you feel like overdose isn't enough (lol).
My point being simply that these wouldn't affect the base difficulty unless you chose to tweak them yourself - if you want the vanilla E+ experience, with no new AI, it would always be there.
Unfortunately, I can't touch feats until Ano is finished with E+ or else I risk breaking compatability. The most I could do there is implement a pseudo-feat system that is seperate from normal feats.
>>14988001
I'm fine with optional tweaks to lower how fast pets grow but I don't think a tweak for raising is all that necessary.
>>14988035
I don't either, but it wouldn't be seperate. It would literally use the same field. Kind of like how the "filter by potential" tweak is now, where you can adjust in multiplies of 10. But with this kind of thing, it would be in multiples of 0.5 or so.
Could restrict it from going higher based on difficulty perhaps. Allow only in overdose maybe.
So do Scarecrows really drop the enemy encounter rate at farms? Does the Scarecrow's location on the plots make a difference?
>>14986487
I thought Pierce% is how much of the rolled damage reduction is ignored.
>>14988628
Ah, it appears that is correct.
Although that makes pierce % significantly less impressive.
>>14990056
Exactly what I thought too. But I'm sitting at 91% + 25d11, so a full pierce would still be 25 to 275 extra damage on a barely penetrating hit.
>>14991930
Makes me wish luck was a bit more useful in the game overall... too many outcomes completely ignore luck, or have no statistically noticeable difference unless you get that +777 luck event. In either case, it makes natural luck almost pointless.
>>14991930
Probably the single most attractive part of gene files is the ability to inherit gear. That saves your new character the trouble of spending wishes on happy beds, seven league boots, speed rings, and vindale cloaks, scrolls of gain attribute, potions of evolution, speed upper, etc. It effectively resets your wish count to zero, making getting a wish far more likely.
You cast Resurrection. <Elona> has been resurrected! "Thanks!" Your Resurrection skill increases.
Remember to use those gauge releases, friends. after rampage+gauge release, I could pull off a 40,000 melee hit on Garziem when an average attack would do 1,000.
Now that I've got a new weapon, maybe I should pick up the rooty-tooty point-and-shooty again...
>>14993226
Whoops, my mistake. Got his rifle confused with his (totally useless) bonus god gift.
Fuck you, Garziem!
Post your characters/pets/both.
I have 50 medals, is the Shield Tonfa worth it for an unarmed character or should I get something else?
>>14996598
I always go sage helm -> rod of domination -> shield tonfa
Rod of domdom is for a bell and a silver cat.
>>14996598
I went for the shield Tonfa first; I also used extra medals for a Diablo. It's not hard to get by without the Sage Helm though, granted, it is annoying to get your stats nuked by doom potion chuckers. They're very rare though, so....
>>14996598
Shield Tonfa is a high priority if you're a caster, because it doesn't qualify as either a shield or a second weapon, meaning you won't suffer spellcasting dual-wield or shield-using penalties.
>>14996750
If you use the knockout ability, you don't necessarily need rod of domination. Better to save the medals, in my opinion. Particularly since bells tend to scale horribly (ultimate death machines early on, but instantly die to mobs in the 40+ range). Androids make better gunners in the long run.
>>14996906
Get the helm next. "See invisible" is pretty rare as a random attribute, so you may have to go tens of levels getting your ass kicked by pumpkins and stalkers if you don't buy it.
All it takes is one unlucky confusion to send you into a trap or cause a spell backfire, or an inopportune blinding during a big melee to get you killed. A few medals is worth it to avoid surprise deaths like that.
Is the Premium Winchester a shotgun-type weapon or something else? It apparently can't use magnum ammo, which the wiki says shotguns can, so I'm not sure if it's a bug or if the Winchester is supposed to be a rifle.
Anyone know if there's a way to disable moongates spawning everywhere, especially since the elo networking thing is broken.
>>14997149
I'm reading the japanese wiki, and it says they're usable only with handguns. It's in the 1.36 changelog.
>>14997484
Oh, and dual pistols like the griffon also won't work with magnum bullets.
>>14997046
Yacatect weapon has the attribute too.
If you have 40 faith already you can get all the favor you need for about 50k gold in 1 in game day in derphy.
>gravity sphere from a jewel tear of god procs on practically every attack
>it's really annoying watching that purple ball animation pop up every single time
Sometimes we have to make hard choices in life. I could write a book in the time spent watching that gravity sphere animation.
Just getting into this, gonna go in blind.
>>14996912
what's the benefit of knocking out?
>>14996912
>Shield Tonfa is a high priority if you're a caster, because it doesn't qualify as either a shield or a second weapon, meaning you won't suffer spellcasting dual-wield or shield-using penalties.
Gave me penalties when I tried that
>>14999159
Yeah just tried this now.
I have 92% casting chance for any spells I usually have 100% for.
What determines the amount of platinum coins you get for a job?
>>14999159
>>14999172
Didn't get any penalty with it. Maybe your equipment weight changed your armor category?
>>14999218
Oh that's probably it.
Fuck I'm not sure how I'll offset that..
>>14999017
You can reduce an enemy's HP to 1.
>>14999017
Consistently achieving low enough HP for monster ball'ing.
>>14999017
Your pets get the AP kill.
So let me pitch this and see if the community would have any interest.
The AI in Elona is pretty dumb.
Comically so. I've already introduced customizable AI for pets to help with that. But now there's a gulf between pets and enemies.
I've mentioned before that I want to add customized AI for story bosses and gods to make them more challenging. But it got me thinking...
I could have enemy AI softcoded and read entirely from files. Thing is, there's no way I can write better AI for all 800+ NPCs.
So here is the deal. I can softcode it so that the community can make their own AI scripts for any Npc, similar to the new pet AI (but scripted outside the game). But the community would have to make their own scripts for each Npc. Would anyone care for this, or would I be wasting my time?
>>14999705
I want to fight a Zeome powerful enough to anihilate my team. I hated fighting Uzyrassil or whatever his name is but that was because he forced me to grind a bit. Arma was fun and challenging purely because of her stats when I first encountered her; otherwise she was ridiculously dumb. I'd be down for smart bosses desu. How though would you make them less stupid? If an enemy with God-tier stats only had shadow step then, well...AI or no, they're not going to be ultra hard to beat.
>>14999705
I'd say that it is a great idea for bosses and maybe important NPCs, but when every enemy becomes an optimal player things just get annoying.
>>14999705
Someone with no intention to work on it or commit will probably chime in and tell you to go ahead, and a few dudes will echo him cuz why not.
I'm wondering if custom ai for mobs (not bosses) will really make them stronger.
Pets get really strong because they have a large amount of moves (skills, spells, melee, range etc) that usually synergize, and respond to every situation.
But for most of the mobs they have a really limited amount of actions available. Off the top of my head i only see the "waste turn" that really drag the mobs down but i don't see how to 100% remove that without making the ai roll like a square wheel.
I mean through AI how powerful can you make an orc or pumpkin ?
Maybe if the mobs could take into account player skills (like casting, marksman and tactics), attributes (speed, hp) or the terrain (break los, don't fight in corridors) that would make a significant enough difference but 1. i doubt this would not affect performances 2. it gives alot more work per mob
For bosses/unique npcs i think thats great tho
>>14999904
>>14999940
>>14999959
Since this theoretical system would bypass the default AI, you wouldn't necessarily be restricted to just moves that the NPC knows. So there really wouldn't be a concern about enemies with God stats only knowing shadowstep.
Which is part of why this would need someone who actually cares and would put effort into it to make this worth doing. You'd need to actually consider what would be good ai (ranged NPCs keeping distance unless they are slower than their enemy) and what is simply dumb (giving putits meteor).
Technically, if I did do this, it could be utilized only for the purpose of bosses, while still being open for other NPCs if someone wanted to bother.
Thanks for the responses, by the way.
>>15000071
Necro dolls with Attribute, Shadow step, element scar and nightmare. I can't wait to see noobs get annihilated by that shit.
By the by, how would this system interact with zombies?
Can I increase the party size somehow? I like most of rorans, catsisters and god pets, and they won't fit. I have 124 charisma, can party size increase further?
>>15000214
You can only have 15 members in your party at any one time. You'll need to put the rest in the discarded ranch or something if you want more.
>>15000214
Be careful that you don't end up like that guy who had a tons of pets but every single one of them was useless.
>>15000071
>Meshera starts spamming Super Regene at 90% health
[screams internally]
>>15000071
The possibility to add abilities is interesting.
If this was available i might tweak things here and there but never do a whole bunch of AIs.
Is your character a slut? Having drunk sex with every adventurer you come across? Or you're in a pure monogamous relationship with your one pet?
>>15000214
I'd recommend investing in quality over quantity. For example, many machine-type pets have a base of either 90% (cMetal) or 75% (cArmour) damage resist (before even basic PV is applied), making each one worth two or more generic pets. Especially since you can now teach abilities/spells to pets in ElonaCustom, meaning you can have a heavily armored pet that can cast the same spells as those fragile spellcasters.
If you want moe pets, as indicated by your love of roran, you can just reskin the better ones. You can put custom sprites in elona/user/graphic by naming them pic_02.bmp, pic_03.bmp, etc. (#2-16 for one tile sprites, #17+ for tall two-tile sprites).
Check the elona mods pastebin. I put together a zip of a hundred or two sprites you can use as pet sprites. Should be some you'd enjoy in there.
>>15000376
Pure harem.
>>15000169
>By the by, how would this system interact with zombies?
Hmm, good question. My current idea is using mob ID, and I'm not sure what ID the necro pets have. I'd have to look into it.
>pro-jet with a kill kill piano
I am sure that looks humorous. Seems to work pretty good with the shadow step too
>>15000603
Isn't kill kill a thrown weapon?
>>15000617
Doesn't stop anyone from equipping it into melee slot, in elona+
>>15000376
My character has only been married once, and that was to a great race of Yith who promptly went to Raphael.
Haven't used prostitution in this playthrough yet, because Sick was super annoying in my previous playthrough and would never go away. My character radiated with crabs like the Hell crab radiates light.
>>15000617
>he fell for the weapon slot restrictions meme
>>15000721
I'm a wizard, I kinda have to unless I want to just get my cast %s fucked up.
God damn, I wish someone had suggested to me to craft only on days with 777 luck. I'm making like 20% miracle/godly items right now. Made these gems in about one in-game hour.
Could have had so many more miracle items by now had I only known when I started...
>>15000376
>Is your character a slut?
She'd easily be far more suited for the lead of MaiDenSnow Eve and have all the rapists run away in terror.
She strikes every chance a note icon appears above someones head. All the adventures LOVE her.
Only been married once as well, and that was when I pimped off a younger sister for that stupid NTR fetish quest. And what I got were a bunch of guards waiting outside like I'd been fucken Chris Hansened.
>>15001285
how do I check those stats? journal doesn't seem to look that way for me. I'm still on 1.55.1, is this a new feature?
>>15001285
>only 12 gwen kills
Jesus did you get the drop super fucking easy or something
>>15001330
Well, that's odd because all I did was type the hot key "j", turn a few pages until you start seeing the blue and red text and that's where all your stats should be. Could there be a glitch?
>>15001802
No, I gave up after a while and decided to gun for the secret treasure of the wicked instead.
>>15000721
I've always been curious how equipping guns to melee hands works, especially multiple guns in multiple hands, or just any form of ranged weapon really. Do people only do it for the stat bonuses whilst they melt things with spells/their main gun or is there any practicality to actually meleeing with them?
>>15001330
It's beem enabled for a while. There is an option in the settings that you need to change for it to show everything, though.
>>15002710
Why is it even a toggled option? So some anons can hide the dirty shame that is being a town meat toilet?
>>15002833
You'd have to ask Ano, not me. All I did was translate it and enable it under English settings.
Do pets ever drop or lose anything when they die? I'm thinking of giving my ether dagger to my little sister so I don't have to worry about ether disease.
>>15003355
Also what determines what you drop when you die, is anything exempt, etc.
How do I prevent this from popping up?
>>15001330
>>15001898 You
Aaand forgot I also changed my game settings to show max records, so that's why yours looked different.
>>15002833
Maybe the option was added as some weird inside joke, like in a vain attempt to show that the player is upkeeping some sense of decency, despite hiding it only makes you more suspect. Since it won't ever change the fact that your playing a game where your actually offered a slave loli as your first party member of choice.
>>15003441
At the risk of sounding snarky: Have you even tried looking in the settings menu?.
Sorta off-topic, but is anyone here using the Wild Arms music pack? Where the hell are the Home songs from? They're not in the Wild Arms soundtrack.
>>15003454
I did but I guess I didn't look hard enough. Checking again.
>>15003469
No but I will be now.
Also if you haven't played all the wild arms games they might be from other ones.
>>15003355
Nope, the only ways their equipment gets in danger are fire and acid attacks. So give them blankets or high resistance gear.Or make their entire inventory fireproof
>what determines what you drop when you die
No idea tЬh, looks to be totally random.
>>15003531
I mean they're pretty clearly Wild Arms-themed songs (it's the Adlehyde theme), but they're not in the soundtrack.
I'm going crazy trying to find these damn things.
>>15002121
I do it for the stats/effects, yes
2000 extra ranged attack from gemini is pretty OP, especially when used with other weapons
I can bash stuff in melee with them, but the damage dices aren't the ones shown for the guns, so I assume it uses fist damage or something
>>15002710
>>15003444
Sorry, I must be blind, but I can't find the max records setting. Is it under the vanilla game settings or tweaks? Either way, I couldn't find it
>>15003977
Open up game -> Options -> Game Settings -> Record(Second Item from the bottom) -> Choose/cycle to show max. Restart game if you need to for settings to go through.
>>15004310
much obliged. My prostitution counter turned out to be pretty low, only 56 times! Purest adventurer in town
my previous char, and this is not even half my fortune there is like 7M in a kitty bank somewhere
a few hours in, i found an artifact with "maintain attribute" for everything except speed and magic so i decided to abuse prostitution
everything in shops suddenly becomes free, all your gold can go in pets/investing, and everyone loves you
>>15004543
>>15004547
>burdened
by the weight of your sluttiness, probably.
>>15004547
I'm not even surprised at your charisma.
>>15004547
>"Come, I will show you... the Great Prostitute."
Anyone knows if adventurers loose items ? Are they more likely to gain fame/levels if they have better gear ?
I wanna pimp the adventurer at the bottom of the list to make him first, but i also don't wanna loose the shit i'll give him so...
>>15005325
If you duel adventurers, and they lose, you can loot all their gear. They only drop some otherwise when they are killed normally.
>Not an april fool's joke.
>Currently busy with departmental shuffling.
[Changes and additions]
- magistus, trismagistus, skull sword, and violent skull sword will display the skill level at which they were made.
- When the player successfully uses the special action Bewitch on friendly NPCs, money will be received. They will not give any more money if they are no longer interested, and you receive less than if you had used prostitution. It's low-risk and low-return; it takes only 1 turn, the NPCs do not need to be drunk, and there is no risk of Sickness. It's for playing as a beggar, or if you want money, or if you just want to siphon money off them but remain chaste.
- Characters that die to fire damage will no longer start a fire. Items on the ground will still burn without a magatama.
[Fixes]
- When NPCs duplicate rods with alchemy, they are no longer stacked in the player's inventory. Remaining charges on stacks of rods will also no longer increase.
- When summoned undead defeat an enemy, allies tagged to the player will now be able to receive AP (albeit a reduced amount) if they are eligible.
[In development]
- One new artifact and unique NPC.
- About four additional floors worth of main quest in Act III.
>>15005507
>When summoned undead defeat an enemy, allies tagged to the player will now be able to receive AP (albeit a reduced amount) if they are eligible.
This is nice.
>magistus, trismagistus, skull sword, and violent skull sword will display the skill level at which they were made
I bet you can make a decent Magic Alchemist sort of character using these and the potions. Has anyone used these and found them useful?
>>15003971
Gotcha, woulda been fun it legitimately used firearms to shoot things point blank when equipped in melee hands, kinda like some cuh-razy stylish bullet arts. Two dual pistols for maximum cuh-razy, pulling triggers with your index and pinky fingers.
Tho I dunno how that would even work, would you have to equip bullets for each firearm? Would it just all draw from the bullet you have equipped in ammo, making it impossible to melee in such a way with two different ranged weapons like that, like firearm and crossbow? Too much involved for something silly that'd only be for RP I suppose!
>>15003971
Uses blunt. Damage dice is halved.
haven't played since 1.41 and these threads always tease me, i wonder if i should start a new character
>>15006189
Could always reincarnate. Keep most of your hard-won booty, but still get the full Elona experience of going from Puppy Cave to the endgame.
>>15006189
Lots of big changes since then. Run through act 1 to Zeome and see if the grind is to your taste.
After dumping all my feat points into the stuff that I really wanted (speed, stamina, resists, exorcism, drain blood, knockout), I'm not sure what I should focus on next. I presume HP/MP is a high priority?
>>15006302
Get skills you can't get without feats. Also exorcism is shit.
>>15006302
The HP and MP feats are good. An additional 25% HP and MP is always welcome.
>>15006599
Until you start dipping magic fruit into hero cheese fondue fountains.
So, when a weapon or piece of gear generally says
>... grants you a bonus to skill whatever. [####]
How many additional levels does each little # generally represent in terms of boosting your effective ability in that skill? Is it a linear or exponential scale?
>>15006668
Linear.
# 1-5
## 6-10
### 11-15
etc
>>15006646
They're always useful even once you can farm magic fruit and hero cheese. You can go past 2000 with those feats.
I'm getting one-shotted by suicide attacks.
Which should I do:
1) dive deeper into void to gain levels to increase HP
or
2) whack stuff with a club to gain con and str
Currently level 100, void F172. Ragnarock put me at -1800 from full health.
>>15007805
How is suicide damage calculated anyway? I mean, I've only a max HP of 400 or so, but I've somehow managed to survive getting caught in explosions that the game log reports are (10000) or (25000).
>>15007884
I've always thought that the 99999 damage was damage done to the user of suicide, and that the actual suicide damage done to you isn't shown. Maybe suicide damage to you is their remaining HP?
Can I do anything useful with the <Mad Scientist> or should I abandon him? My party is full enough as it is and I wanted to get a shopkeeper next.
>>15008073
I just stabbed him.
First useful boss that joins you is Isca.
>>15008132
Last character I played, I let him join then abandoned him a few minutes later.
I think I'm gonna go finish the gene engineering quest and melt him instead. Might get something interesting out of him at least.
Does anyone know the formula for void boss level? Is it level = floor + 54? That formula seemed fine until I bumped into a gokiburi who was about 60 levels higher than it should have been.
>>15008073
Put him in the doujou, then move him to the abandoned ranch when you get one.
I've heard you can recruit him again if you do kill or abandon him, but you know, he's unique. Gotta collect 'em all.
How do you guys deal with your overflowing packs? On other games I had a dozen storage houses for different things, but this time I gave up and sold most of the spellbooks, scrolls, potions, etc. that I didn't think I'd need, and even still it feels like I never dip under 9 pages.
>>15008197
I'm not as much of a completionist as most spergs, but I'll consider it if he doesn't gene engineer anything useful.
>>15008210
Get 4-Dimensional Pocket, stuff everything in there.
