http://fate-extella.jp/
http://project-cosmos.jp/
http://www.famitsu.com/news/201603/15101279.html
Wow. It's fucking nothing.
>>14930098
LMAO 2SABER
2SABER
You can buy some FGO currency while you're at it too!
>>14930098
>people are upset about this
Why? Fate musou is a great idea. I bet there'll be more playable Servants too, seems unlikely that they'd just cut Archer out all of a sudden.
>>14930101
People were hyped to see something more than "you can look at Attila's slutty butt now all day". If it just came out of nowhere then people'd be like "okay cool I guess".
>>14930102
What the fuck are you talking about? It did come out of nowhere. Who was expecting this?
>>14930103
I'm pretty sure there was a timer for an announcement, and people wanted something better than another random ass video game.
>>14930104
What did you want that you thought would be better?
>>14930104
Everyone knew it was a game because of Hakuno command seal being in the source code
>>14930105
I didn't want anything I'm just saying, people are mostly disappointed because they expected something better or something with different characters. Aka just general bitching.
>DW clone
Is Dynasty Warriors the japanese Assassin's Creed or what?
>>14930107
Well if those people expected anything other than another Extra game or anime announcement then they're delusional retards because that countdown page was blatantly Extra-related. I think an anime would have been far inferior to this, which is new material that seems like it actually has a chance at being a fun game too. So from my perspective this is pretty much the best possible outcome.
>>14930109
Good for you? I mean if people are upset then they're upset, I don't really care to be honest.
>>14930098
I'm curious to where the story picks off from.
It possibly couldn't star Hakuno again
>>14930110
Yes, I'm sure that's why you spent all this time replying to me.
>>14930112
I replied because you asked a question, I'm not really sure what you're expecting from me. I mean, Attila is pretty cute I guess but that's pretty much all of my opinions.
>>14930111
>It possibly couldn't star Hakuno again
He's literally right there on the promotional art.
Unless you're suggesting some other brown-haired guy with Nero as a Servant is the protagonist now.
>>14930114
Brown hair is common enough
>>14930098
It's not a port or some stupid anime, good
>localization never
Is it possible for JP Vita games to be patched to english? I know it's not happening for the PS4 version but I'd still like to play this someday.
>>14930117
There is an higher probability for the PS4 to get patched to english
TSUKIHIME REMAKE NEVER.
MAHOYO NEVER.
>>14930098
Well, at least HxH is back.
Fuck you Nasu
>>14930117
Just import it, PS4 and vita aren't regionlocked.
>>14930114
Hakuno isn't a redhead anon and that guy has a different haircut. Unless his sprite change vastly, it's not the same person.
>>14930121But I can't read moonrunes ;_;
>>14930111
Not posting best Sakura.
>>14930117
Why the fuck would you translate one, but not this or CCC?
Were sales here in the states THAT bad?
>>14930098
bigger
>>14930123
It's a musou game, it's guaranteed to be voiced and all you do is mash.
>>14930126
Not big enough.
>>14930128
Waifu2x version
>>14930098
Wow, it's a picture for ants.
>>14930124
Where is this from
And is there a BB/Lip version of it
You know, I could actually deal if they made a Fate/Musou.
The issue for me however is that I would have always expected a Type Musou to cover the entire universe rather than just Fate.
I try to live in denial that Fate hasn't straight up taken over but it becomes harder and harder everyday to live this illusion
Wada redesign of huke character
>>14930132
I was actually hoping for a fighting game since it's the type of game that can handle the multiverse shit and the "everything is canon" mentality.Plus it would actually be fun
This is a Japanese kitsune
>>14930131
A fan took notice that Melt is voiced by Hayamin, and made a parody video of her dressed as Manaka from Love Plus. Unfortunately, there are no BB or Lip's versions. Video is called 一番くじプレミアム NEWサバプラス メルトリリスver.
So what are the chances it'll get localized?
It's on PS4 and Vita which aren't dead in the west like the PSP was so pretty good right?
>>14930098
If they keep releasing more games, then maybe the Fate-fags will go to /v/ for their threads.
>>14930140
>Vita which aren't dead in the west
Vita is dead in the West. Well, it was never alive.
>>14930140
About 10%
Remember that the only game that Type-Moon will release in the west it's Melty Blood, and that's only because it's Arcsys doing it
>>14930139
Seiyuufags are scary
>>14930141
Aniplex says no
I don't get it, is this stricly a Musou spinoff or an actual Extra entry (with a huge script like CCC) just replacing the RPG system with an action system?
>>14930141
Not a chance. The Fate fanbase is one of the oldest and most established on /a/. Even if Fate franchise were to stop making anything but video games they would still be excepted here as evidenced by this thread and all the threads for G/O.
>>14930105
People like to think that Fate's primary medium is anime.
Those same people are fucking retarded, though.
>>14930138
Isn't it great?
>>14930143
Yeah but Extra got translated and that was for the PSP (and it actually sold more in the West than in Japan)
So it makes sense if this one was translated seeing as the PS4 is going strong (and PSV could use more games)
>>14930147
Better than the KanColle threads.
>>14930147
>accepted
I just woke up. Shut up.
>>14930132
I'm zero hyped for this shit. Why the fuck is the company still called Type Moon, might as well change the name to Fate/something.
>>14930135
While a fighting game would be sweet. You generally don't see fighting games having 50-120+ characters in them.
Any mainline musou has at least 50 while the crossover has about 120.
Given just how many characters are in the series and how many people would bitch and moan that their favourite character isn't in if it was a fighting game, I'd personally argue a musou game would be better off for getting in as many characters as possible without just making Battle Moon Wars 2 Fate vs the World editions.
>>14930143
Fate/EXTRA and Fate/Unlimited Codes were also released on the west
>>14930147
Video games is the future for the Fate franchise now. Fate/Go and CCC is more popular/profitable than any of the core anime/VN. You can't stop it anymore, /v/ will soon be able to decide where they will take the Fate franchise in the future. You will eventually have to leave /a/ for /v/.
>>14930153
At this point, I'm close to agreeing. The fact Types don't even have any relevance anymore really makes it feel out of place.
It should just be called Fate/Saber
>>14930154
I mean you can arrive to 60 characters or something. Sure a musou it's better for just throwing characters in there, but for me they aren't as fun.Melty Blood lobbies in /a/ were great.
>>14930143
That 3D fighting game got released in english too, at least PSP version.
>>14930108
No, because Dynasty Warriors actually has a fun game or spin off now and then
Since this is published by Marvelous I'd say it has pretty good chances of coming west. Only shitty thing is if there's a lot of CCC shit in it, since there's no way we're getting that.
>>14930140
It will come, just like Realta Nua and hollow ataraxia did
Reminder that Arc was Berserker in this series meaning Arc is going to be in this game, in 3D
>>14930161
I mean, why did we get Extra but not CCC?
>>14930164
Too lewd for the West.
>>14930158
All we need to do is just make it Fate May Cry if we can't get in a lot of characters.
Melty only works because of the very few characters it actually has.
It works to it's advantage that it only takes from Tsukihime/Ryougi.
Though I personally believe adding in KnK Touko as a playable fighter would benefit it greatly.
>>14930108
>DW clone
I don't mind a DW clone as long as they get a music right. It is the only saving grace of DW series.
>>14930165
No, it's because it was 2013 and the PSP was dead by then in the West
>>14930166
Fate May Cry actually implies good combat though. And to be fair even BlazBlue has 32 characters as of Central Fiction. Maybe a fighting game would work as a new story completely.
>>14930161
They could always try a PC release of CCC. Going by recent poll numbers, CCC is one of the most wanted "VN" translation, if not the most.
>>14930167
>It is the only saving grace of DW series.
I mean, if you enjoy the most stock and generic of guitar riffs, sure.
>>14930168
Which is bullshit because Aksys Games was still releasing PSP games at that time.
>>14930171
>>I mean, if you enjoy the most stock and generic of guitar riffs, sure.
I do. They are background musics so they work perfectly fine there.
>generic
Because it has guitar?
>>14930169
I am an optimist. I cannot bring myself to believe that they would just do a cash-in riding on the popularity of FGO and the overall Fate franchise to make a half-assed game for more money using popular characters as the main attraction for fans of the series with expendable money to waste said income on.
I would prefer a 2D fighter if they did go the Melty Route. The 3D fighters they've had have been shit.
>>14930153
Considering that Fate established them past a doujin group and into a legitimate company, as well as the fact that it is easily the most loved series despite what a few people say, why wouldn't they use it in this turbulent market?
>>14930174
never 4get
>>14930175
That's what I'm saying. Might as well change the company's name to something other than Type Moon if they are going to keep releasing only Fate games.
>>14930175
Also being the most well liked doesn't mean everyone has to agree it's good. Twilight and Naruto are well liked, yes, but does that make them good?
>>138665032
I actually agree. Just because it's yet another Fate related topic doesn't mean it belongs on /a
>>14930102
People are fucking stupid and should have read the signs better. It was stated multiple times the website was registered to Marvelous Inc, a video game company.
Video game content apparently okay on /a/ now as long as it's Dear Fate.
>more Tamamo
Fuck yeah.
>>14930101
Don't let yourself be fooled by a couple of salty posts. This is going to be a hit, whether is good or it sucks, like most Type-Moon works. I'm also sure that there'll be more playable Servants, at least 10.
>>14930108
I will never have the right autism to find those games fun. Always thought the gameplay was utter garbage with little to no noticeable replay value. Biggest reason I never bothered with the One Piece spin-off games.
Would have been excited if it was a new Fate/Extra.
>>14930184
To be fair the musou genre fits Fate more
>>14930182
>Fluffy tail adventure 2: Action Edition
I am on board
>>14930125
>Were sales here in the states THAT bad?
IIRC When asked about the sales an aksys rep posted a .gif of Scrooge McDuck jumping into a pile of gold.
I think the reason CCC was never translated is because psp is dead.
>>14930111
Probably some incarnation of Hakuno or maybe their real-world bodies
>>14930188
Or because it was too lewd
>>14930190
Nah, that might be a factor but it's probably because porting a PsP game to Vita (which is what they'd need to do) is just too much of an annoyance to do.
It has Nasu going batshit with the story.
Let's see what he comes up with.
>>14930174
>The 3D fighters they've had have been shit.
Fate Unlimited Codes wasn't shit if that's what you're referring to.
>>14930178
Not saying you have to agree, but they do produce and stand behind other things other than Fate. Furthermore, Fate itself encompasses more than just the Fuyuki Grail War. We have the Church, the Association, and many more areas and organizations of interest.
Fate is popular because it's so open ended, and the characters so motivated and usable for other things.
>>14930187
But will she finally get more tails like in GO?
>>14930195
She's gotta transform here as well.
>>14930194
Type Moon is made up almost entirely of Fae nowadays. Look at how long it takes to release a single non-Fate game vs a Fate game. It's a small fraction of the time.
Fate got popular because it had the right amount of budget to become a hit and the author likes to write about it. Other series like Tsukihime have an entire world that's left unexplored because Nasu prefers to write Fate and it won't give them enough money anyway.
>>14930197
So, the author likes to write about something and it gives him money. Why shouldn't he do it again?
To please some bitter fucks on the internet?
>>14930198
I don't know. Consideration for his old fans maybe?
>>14930197
Tsukihime was a more narrowly focused story. Let's look at the facts on all the characters, Shiki is on his way out in a few years, Ciel is good for material, Arc is sealed, Akiha/Kohaku/Hisui (RIP) are more than likely not gonna be involved, Nrvnsqr and Roa/SHIKI are dead, Satsuki was wasted potential, etc. The story is pretty much wrapped up in its current form with maybe an OVA's worth of exposition needed.
You could flesh out more of the organizations in other works and it works fine. Nothing precisely Tsukihime exclusive.
The reason why Nasu has been so cagey about the Remake (and even cagier about a Tsukihime 2)and such is because he is developing it into something that can work towards opening things up more. This remake promises additional characters and additional routes for a reason.
Look at his MO, this new Extra game came about because people really took to Extra and was in development in secret, Takeuchi boldly saying it's seperate from the main franchise THIS time. Meaning concerning other IPs, you might just want to trust them to return to it when they are ready. Because I really think he is trying to make his universes the next Gundam.
>>14930199
And why should he do that rather than do something he both loves and makes lot of money out of?
Why shouldn't people work on stuff they love if they can make money out of it?
>>14930199
This is actual entitlement.
>>14930200
>Tsukihime was a more narrowly focused story
Not really. Prelude and Talk had a lot of potential. It could have been expanded into something bigger. Nervmind that the existence of Melty Blood already proves you wrong on the idea that Tsukihime couldn't be expanded.
>>14930133
Wada's Altera is way better than Huke's design.
>>14930201
Like I said, consideration towards his old fans. He'll lose his old fans at this rate (if he hasn't already), the same ones that helped him make the Type Moon company as big as it is now.
>>14930205
And why should he care about those bitter fucks when he has other fans that will give him money for what he likes writing?
Why do the older fans deserve more consideration than the new ones in his eyes?
>>14930206
>>14930206
>And why should he care about those bitter fucks
I don't know, I'll like to believe he isn't an asshole and he cares about his dedicated fans that actually support his earlier works.
>Why do the older fans deserve more consideration
Nobody said this. Thing is he has given nothing that would catter his older more dedicated fans in years, nothing at all. Cattering to new fans is all fine and good, but those same fans are unlikely to be as dedicated as the ones that have been there since more than a decade.
>>14930203
Prelude and Talk are good OVA fodder as they are. It's like saying you could make something substantial currently with Notes, when it too is OVA sized without rework.
Good point on Melty, though it doesn't help the storyline is convuluted and at some points very dubiously canon, the fighting game syndrome. But since we are getting a new Melty doesn't that mean you are kind of wrong about us getting only Fate?
>>14930114
That's Arjuna.
>>14930199
You should never fucking do that look at Kojima and MGS4.
Nasu wants to do more Extra because it lets him go all out with the crazy magical science fiction.
>>14930208
>Prelude and Talk are good OVA fodder as they are
The whole plot with the Dark Six revival, the fight between the DAA, Church and the MA. You could have made an entire game with it, either novel or in almost any medium, yes.
>But since we are getting a new Melty
We got promised a new Tsukihime too. That was almost 10 years ago.
>>14930193
Nah, it wasn't that good. It was acceptable for a game but it was never seen as a competitive fighter like Street Fighter or Guilty Gear, or even Melty. There was no way it would have shown up in any tournament.
>>14930108
Its called Musou you retarded faggot. And its popular enough that Koei has it made with anime like:
- Fist of the North Star
- Gundam
- Arslan Senki
- Kamen Rider
>>14930156
That's why there's three TM novel series being published right now, right?
>>14930193
King vs Saitama.webm
>>14930212
You must be really uninformed then, A-Cho occasionally hosts tournaments for it, as well as Athena Nihonbashi. When I visited Japan I saw it getting significant play at the latter.
I guess if you are talking about American tournaments then yeah, I don't really follow those, because people aren't good at fighting games in America.
>>14930133
All I see is this when I see her weapon
>>14930207
Funny because Fate/Stay Night was released in Japan.more than a decade ago, so Fatefags would count as loyal older fans and thus, writing more Fate would count as catering to them
Also, apparently doing what you like and gives you money counts as being an asshole because it's not what some bitter fucks want
Okay, then
>>>/v/
fuck off
>>14930218
More than half of the Fate fanbase are secondaries who's first introduction to the series was Deen and the F/Z anime.
And doing what gives you money isn't being an asshole, neglecting your old fans that supported you until then is.Though I wouldn't expect some Fate kid that eats up any new Fate shit material that the current Type Moon regurgitates to understand.
>>14930104
>Video game series gets more video games
holy shit, I'm so mad right now
I think I'll send Nasu a strongly-worded e-mail
>>14930098
>>14930221
mfw when this is bait. Just a random spinoff game. Doubt its the huge announcement. Still not buying into this. Wait until the end of the month fags.
>>14930154
>You generally don't see fighting games having 50-120+ characters
Melty Blood
Marvel
>>14930223
Melty only has like 30, I think.
MvC2 is insane.
Fate Stay Night was a mistake
Typemoon, kings of kusoge
i hope nasu just fucking dies
he deserves it fot switchbaiting his audience like this for a decade
Nasu fucking cucked me with all this Fate shit
>>14930203
>Nervmind that the existence of Melty Blood already proves you wrong on the idea that Tsukihime couldn't be expanded.
The plot of every fucking single Melty Blood that actually had a plot to speak of has been either "Oh shit Wallachia!" and "Oh shit something aping Wallachia!" That's it. They still take place in fucking Misaki with the same narrow cast of characters, many of which are just illusions that won't exist outside the Wallachia-copycat-of-the-day's influence.
The first MB had a story that only "expanded" in so far as it introduced one more character to Misaki, one more character who gets killed in Sion's backstory, and one more enemy who gets killed by the end of that game. Every single game since then has just been working among those exact constraints. Nobody in this story is going fucking anywhere.
Grand Order has done more with the Atlas Institute than Sion or anything related to her ever did.
>>14930225
FSN was fine, Zero is where the whole thing went haywire since it attracted the casuals and started the whole "let's make servants up" trend
should've stayed a porn game series
>Fate action game for PS4
BASED
>>14930228
To be fair, back then, the only fighting game that had an almost possibly barely acceptable plot was Guilty Gear. No one expected massive story progression or character development from a fighter.
Who is ready for the influx of even more Good Civilization?
>>14930220
You sound like a whiny asshole becaudse the company isn't doing stuff you like anymore
Even though Nasu is having fun and getting money writing Fate stuff, he's still gotta pander to you for SOME reason
Stop whining, baby
>>14930231
Yeah, if Melty was remade it would definitely have a Blazblue-like plot.
>>14930160
dynasty warriors is boring as fuck
>>14930229
>>14930236
You have shit taste, senpai.
>>14930238
you literally fight waves and waves of the same enemies over and over with shallow fighting styles
>mfw Sakura and Hakuno thought they escaped from the Mooncell, but they're still inside of it all along
I hope BB is still alive. ;_;
>>14930239
>shallow fighting styles
You also haven't played the latest DW games either I take it.
>>14930240
They escaped, but due to escaping the Moonell started to leak upon the Earth, and now monsters rampage throughout. However now that the world has become a digital hell-hole, your servant can also be resummoned back to your side. Hakuno must fight his way back into the Mooncell to finally shut down the core once and for all.
Either that, or they'll go with the multiple Hakunos explanation. Technically there are three Hakunos within one world-line now.
Data Hakuno(Reset, within the Mooncell)
Data Hakuno Post-CCC (Escaped the Mooncell, on Earth)
Flesh Hakuno (In the Middle East on the run from the law)
>>14930098
This better have more Sabers.
>>14930239
From what I've heard all the latest entries to Musou, main series and spin offs, have been really good.
>>14930243
But we need a Lancer.
>>14930241
if you mean that dragon quest spin off then yeah I guess it was a sold 7/10 because I played 8 empires and it showed a severe lack of quality
>>14930246
>8 Empires
>not 8 XL
This shit is real gay.
>>14930168
nigga we got PSP games last year
Where's my pachinko?
>>14930232
What is her personality like?
>Game comes out
>It is compatible with Playstation VR
>Can actually go in your room with your Servant.
You can pet Nero.
>>14930251
She's not Atilla the Hun she's an ayylien or the daughter of Mars. Every Servant calls her a fake and she just knows how to destroy thats it. Her wish is to be a farmer or to live a simpler live because she wants to experience it
>>14930252
Anon please. I don't want to want things I'll never be able to have. Being able to pet Tamamo would be way better especially if you set up some softness where her tail was for realistic fluffy tail touching.
>>14930242
Will Nero and Tamamo be the Nero and Tamamo from the Near Side adventures or Far Side adventures?
>>14930251
An autistic alien.
Did anyone pick up the Arslan Senki musou game?
>>14930253
You keep trying to spread this meme on different boards
She is Atilla the Hun
>More Fate
>>14930242
Hopefully it takes place in the real world so that we can get that Arcueid rematch as a secret boss. She promised to pay you back, remember.
>>14930260
Only Post-CCC Hakuno would remember
Since he's the Hakuno that experienced everything, and made it out.
>>14930261
Well CCC is the canon route, no? Hopefully this games takes place after that.
>>14930175
>Considering that Fate established them past a doujin group and into a legitimate company
You mean Tsukihime and it's sequels. Retard.
When Fate was published TM was already a genuine company, where do you think the money came from? Nasu from the future?
>>14930193
UC was garbage nigger. It bombed
>>14930259
aside from the illya and the original adaptation its alright
>>14930213
those were all terrible they should have outsourced the fate game to capcom or platinum
fuck everything
nasu is dead
>>14930267
Pretty accurate besides CCC not having a good reaction. It's the best Fate.
>>14930267
Fate/CCC > Fate/stay night > Fate/hollow ataraxia > Fate/Zero > Fate/Grand Order> Fate/EXTRA > Fate/Unlimited Codes
fate franchise is fucking done for
>>14930267
>UBW
>Good
>F/HA
>Same as Fate route
Opinion discarded
>>14930262
Secret boss is going to be female Hakuno as a Savior. She will call herself Xavier.
>>14930271
>UBW
>Good
it's the best, actually.
>>14930267
KnK=Tsukihime as a whole(+Disc,KT,MB)=Heaven's Feel >>> Rest of Fateshit>>>F/GO
>>14930274
If you're going to like only one F/SN route at least do it right. UBW eclipses the other two in pacing, characterization and themes.
>>14930270
>Making 200K a day at it's lowest.
>Done for.
Top kek.
>>14930275
I'll give you pacing. As for themes UBW and HF are pretty even. HF is still better written
>>14930275
UBW-fag here.
It's a toss-up and you can like all three for different reasons. HF was where shit got as real as it could possibly get. UBW had the best heroine, best ideals, and best Shirou. Fate had the best romance, though it's a win by default since UBW was mostly Archer/Shirou and HF's sucked ass.
>>14930277
Not that guy, but there are a lot of narrative problems with HF, particularly surrounding Sakura.
And I'm not just memeing on that. I don't find her to be a very well written character, and that's a problem considering a lot of the plot focuses around her.
>>14930276
Estimate was about 100K for today but at least we seem down from that bullshit million a day number so baby steps from the Fate troll brigade. I guess people are just going to pretend that never happened and that 200K is the new de facto magic number, every single day.
Also this thread really belongs on /v/
>>14930278
>UBW had the best heroine
Archer?
>best ideals, and best Shirou
>I want to save everyone!
Literally every shonen ever.
>I want to be seigi no mikata even if everyone(and with reason) tell me it's wrong! Even If I know it might not be possible
Literally every shonen mc ever.
>Fate had the best romance
Said literally no-one ever, not even it's own creator.
>HF's sucked ass
Not even urobutcher agrees with you and the guy hates romance. Nasu himself says it's the most natural of the bunch.
>>14930279
>but there are a lot of narrative problems with HF, particularly surrounding Sakura.
Funny mang, because I remember Rin being the butt of the joke about not being the focus in her own route. Like Nasu himself jokes about it levels.
>>14930281
Agree, Shirou realizing he can't save everyone and instead focusing on the people he loves is much more mature and realistic than being retarded until the bitter end. It's also a much better character arc than going from 'I want to be a hero' to 'HOLY FUCKING SHIT I REALLY FUCKING WANT TO BE A HERO'.
Rin failed badly in that route too. Saber agreed with Shirou so it's fine if he ends like that but Rin couldn't do a thing to change his mind which is sad.
Also
>inb4 muh mature memes
>>14930273
That's wrong tho, Zero is the best.
>>14930281
The thing is, Rin is a fully fleshed out character. She's prominent in every route, and in fact, you see things from her perspective at the very start. She's the protagonist of the prologue.
Sakura though has issues. She's supposed to be the one who's known Shirou the most, and they have the deepest bond, but you and I, the reader, don't get to experience that.
In fact, it's kind of the opposite for us. We spend 500k words with Saber and Rin. We see multiple facets of their lives and personalities, and watch them grow and change. Shirou might have known them for a less amount of time, but we're already clearly invested.
With Sakura, she's essentially absent in the first two routes of the game. She gets minor appearances, but you don't really know her, or find a reason to care beyond a superficial level.
HF though packs everything in, but it's just whammy after whammy of weird shit.
I see a bit of her being sweet, and then we find out she's literally been fucking worms for a decade, and might be involved with a series of murders.
Now that's kind of interesting, but the story really wants me to care about her, and take her side. HF is all about saving Sakura, but there are so many twisted things surrounding her, that she becomes polarizing, and I don't think in a way that was intended.
Imagine if Saber or Rin were in her place. You, the reader, would be instantly more invested in their plights, because you've already spent countless hours with them.
With Sakura, I have no attachment, and that sullies a story all about giving up everything for the one you love.
I didn't love her.
>>14930281
>>14930282
I also think you two might misunderstand Shirou's character arc in UBW.
His arc and his answer isn't wrong. That's a cornerstone of the plot. "It's not a mistake".
Shirou does realize he can't save everyone, and that life isn't all fairy tales and roses. He chooses though to push forward with the ideal of wanting to help others, because he knows it's inherently good.
There might be struggles along the way, certainly. Archer showed him first hand. He also may commit sins that he'll end up regretting, but in the end, he'll put more good into the world than bad, and he's okay with that.
I'm not saying HF's answer is wrong, but I would highly argue that UBW's is the most nuanced. It can't really be summed up in a short sentence.
>>14930284
All you said was that you couldn't self insert into Shirou loving Sakura.
> but there are so many twisted things surrounding her, that she becomes polarizing
Not really unless you're really retarded.
Girl gets raped>puts up a front to seem happy and fools everyone>shit happens>front falls off>girl goes insane. The rest
>>14930286
It's not about self-insertion, it's about reader investment.
For instance, we're told that Shirou and Sakura have known each other for a long while. She nursed him when he was injured, and they grew attached to each other.
But we don't see it.
In HF, they basically just fall into a relationship. They've known each other, they care about each other, and admit they love each other.
But the reader doesn't get to see the groundwork.
You do with Saber and Rin, and while with them the romance is developed over a much shorter span of time, it works because you see it have a proper start, middle, and end.
Also you are a kidder if you don't think Sakura is a polarizing character. She's been polarizing people for a decade.
>>14930281
Fucking morons missing the base point of UBW. I cringe every time I see this kind of post.
>>14930287
The build up and groundwork in particular is important with HF's situation, because her life is just so fucked up. You need to establish that there's lots of good about her to make the reader appreciate the sacrifices Shirou makes for her.
With Saber and Rin, the situation would have had ten times more impact, due to the fact that you had seen their triumphs, failures, vulnerabilities, and different aspects of their personality. You want to see them succeed.
It's not as much with Sakura's case though. She's just this girl you see, and then you find out horrible, horrible things surround her life.
>>14930285
>That's a cornerstone of the plot. "It's not a mistake".
No, that's Shirou's answer. Answer we already know is wrong but he decides it's not a mistake because it's "beautiful". And we all know that his answer is like that because he's obsessed with it, as in mentally fucked up.
Fate presents the ideal, UBW makes Shirou go through with it against some minor odds(in the end he would sacrifice himself if he became Archer, something he's ok with it since he's cray), HF puts some REAL weight against the ideal and in the end the ideal loses against the "real" thing, symbolized when Shirou kills Saber, the heroine that supported that flawed ideal.
Don't believe me? There's even an instance in UBW where the Seigi no Mikata facade disappears, Shirou fully forgets about his "ideal" when he thinks about killing Rin if she puts Taiga in danger.
>He chooses though to push forward with the ideal of wanting to help others, because he knows it's inherently good.
He says that he only does it because it's pretty to him. He's not thinking about some greater good.
>>14930288
Feel free to reply with arguments or don't do it, shonenbaby
>>14930290
Another person who misunderstands Shirou in UBW.
I mean do you not realize that the Taiga scene happened before most of Shirou's character development in the route? He hadn't had his conflict with Archer, he hadn't grown.
Archer presents to him the sins of following his ideal. He is shown the memories of his potential future of killing others to save more. All these scenarios are placed right inside his mind, and when the time comes to answer if he accepts those potential sins, he says yes.
He says yes in the face of forgoing his own humanity, because he knows that the choice is right.
At the start of every route, Shirou does believe in his ideal, but his beliefs and faith get shaken throughout the stories. The end results either have him giving them up, or hardening them to be stronger than ever before.
The situation with Taiga was just around when Shirou was reaching his weakest point in the narrative, and from there, he grew stronger, and so did his will.
>>14930292
>Another person who misunderstands Shirou in UBW.
You've repeated this like 5 times already m8, it won't make it true.
>He says yes in the face of forgoing his own humanity, because he knows that the choice is right.
Wrong, he says yes because he DOESN'T CARE about his own self, as we already know. Shirou doesn't do things for the greater good, he does them because to him it's beautiful, he himself admits it.
>The situation with Taiga was just around when Shirou was reaching his weakest point in the narrative, and from there, he grew stronger, and so did his will.
You don't have any proof here, i'm posting examples you're posting 'hey maybe he won't kill Rin'. Shirou would kill Rin if she puts someone more important(Taiga) in danger and that's canon
Take it as you may.
When the stakes are real Shirou forgets about muh ideal.
All I see is a bunch of faggots who agree with one outcome, disagree with the others, and desperately want to believe that only one outcome is "right" while the others are "wrong" in an attempt to justify and feel superior about their own conclusions.
>>14930293
>When the stakes are real Shirou forgets about muh ideal.
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>>14930290http://pastebin.com/gf6qhLwULike do you even philosophy maaaaaaanLike do you even philosophy when the majority of the depth is related to philosophy maaaaaaaaaaaan
>>14930293
"Even if I hurt some to save the many, I would keep pursuing a happiness where no one would be hurt."
Shirou doesn't just take up his ideal because he thinks it's "pretty". He outright says he wants to strive for a future where people can be happy.
Regarding the Taiga situation, you are literally quoting something where the word "kill" isn't even written. It's blanked out. It could be a multitude of things. I just find that funny, since you claim to be posting "examples", while creating your own framework to make them suit your narrative.
Shirou is perfectly willing to kill in UBW, but his ideal is first and foremost. You are literally saying the answer he receives in the Archer fight is inconsequential to a situation presented earlier prior to a turning point in his life.
FSN, granted, is a non-linear narrative, but it's not that non-linear.
>>14930294
I have no qualms with HF's answer, but people do severely misunderstand UBW.
>>14930296
IDK why the pastebin address got spoilered when I didn't even surround it with the spoiler tags
>>14930297
I mean, can I ask you, person who disagrees with me, why do you think Shirou won the Archer fight?
Archer kept on harping on about how Shirou was just imitating Kerry, so why did he realize his dream wasn't wrong?
It's because he comes to understand that what was Kerry's dream really became his. It wasn't just a man blindly following the footsteps of his father, it was someone who grew to accept those dream as his own, and pushed forward to make a mark of his own.
>>14930208
It's not a new Melty, it's just a steam port of the game that has been out for years.
>>14930297
>"Even if I hurt some to save the many, I would keep pursuing a happiness where no one would be hurt."
>Shirou doesn't just take up his ideal because he thinks it's "pretty". He outright says he wants to strive for a future where people can be happy.
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Shirou himself says that he does it because it's beautiful, he doesn't do it for the greater good, he does it for himself, because he's insane.
Read the fucking VN, he says that even if it's not something that comes from himself it's still a beautiful ideal. Even if it's something he borrowed because he wanted to be like Kiritsugu in that moment he still thinks it's worth it.
Shirou does it because it fuels his hero boner and that's it.
>holy grail war installment #3215648
It's not like Nasu's got a whole fucking universe left to expand on. He should clearly keep focusing on fate.
>>14930301
>Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Unbelievable. Did you just literally say an exact quote from the story is "wrong"?
"Even if my life is a sham, the wish for others to be happy should be beautiful al the same."
There are comparable scenes to this in the visual novel, but you choose to ignore the nuances in Shirou's character to just repeatedly pound in that he just does it cause he's crazy,
It's not just about being like Kiritsugu. That's literally Archer's argument, and he comes to realize he's wrong.
Jesus. The sheer ignorance.
>>14930303
You know what? Here. He's the comparable scene from the VN relating to this picture here. >>14930297
You tell me to read the VN. Maybe you should.
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>>14930304
This is all fucking Survivor's Guilt according to Nasu, Complete Material, Fate route, HF route (hinted) and Extra (Archer explains his issues).
UBW is the only route that tries to ignore Shirou's fundamental issue and try to dress it up prettily to give ARCHER some kind of catharsis, so Shirou is fucked up and never actually faces his massive trauma.
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>>14930304
Maybe you should read more than UBW you know, where everything about Shirou's character is explained.
Or just use a bit of sense since we already know that Shirou only does it because he's fucked in the head. Retard.
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>>14930306
HFcancer still embarrassing themselves.
>>14930305
>UBW is the only route that tries to ignore Shirou's fundamental issue
Except that's completely wrong. There are people screaming in Shirou's face throughout the entire story that his beliefs are wrong, but Shirou holds true that his desire to help others can't be.
"It's not a mistake". It's pounded into you. It's not something that Shirou inherently need sto "get over", because it's something he wants to follow.
Helping others isn't wrong. Rin comes to understand this, Archer comes to relearn this, and Shirou reaffirms it. His trauma is faced. he faces his own future, but he chooses to wield his trauma for good.
>>14930306
Really nice use of ad hom there. Super classy.
You refused to address my points though, and again, just fall back on "he's just crazy."
You ignore that there are deeper nuances to Shirou's character in UBW, just to paint a black and white narrative.
This is why I stand by that UBW is the most complex route. Shit like this.
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>>14930308
>HFcancer still embarrassing themselves.
Maybe you should read more about Fate than UBW, other routes, character materials and so on. Maybe you should read when the author tells you that Shirou does it for himself, maybe you should pay attention to some dialogue and add the knowledge you have of the character so you'll get to know why things are happening.
>UBW is the most complex route
Fuck I really thought I wasn't being baited.
10/10 anon, you got me really good.
>>14930309
Blah blah blah, more empty words just proving his point.
>>14930309
I've just presented you multiple instances that show you he doesn't just "do it for himself".
I've explained it to you that the entirety of the Archer fight is framed around the guy realizing that Shirou's choices are more than simply following Kerry, or blindly going by his ideal without thought.
He truly develops it as his own.
You though don't respond to any of that. You push the idea that /I'm/ the ignorant one here. That when I source scenes from the VN directly, you tell me that it's wrong, because it doesn't fit your framework for your argument.
You then just tell me to essentially "educate myself", and provide nothing to the conversation.
I'm just gonna ask, are you done yet?
>>14930281
Didn't know Luffy or Goku cared about saving people or being a hero.
>>14930187
Can't they just make Fate/Saber where all girls are Saber.
I feel like I've been in this thread before. Something feels very wrong here.
>>14930186
???
>>14930373
Mods moved the thread
>>14930295
Shinji is different, because he was showing no remorse at all for his actions on top of an unwillingness to stop without a promise of death otherwise.
I think what the other guy meant is that Shirou fumbles on his decision as the situation changes. Taiga was a person close to him and a hostage who he could save, while he mentally considered the orphans in the Fate route lost causes (which was kind of dumb either way if we take the "don't listen to shady priest about using the magic lamp" out of the equation, he could have just wished to restore their bodies with the grail, turning back time wasn't necessary).
The Taiga situation and the Sakura situation show that while he is capable of making sacrifices, there are also situations that muddy up that mental process. You can only really justify things as the greater good so much before it starts to seem like a bullshit excuse to you, same with Shirou even with his abnormal mindset. That was the part in UBW where Rin tells him he isn't a machine, and thinking of himself as one will break him down eventually.
>>14930101
Almost everything Fate related has been a terrible idea for a long time
>>14930289
False. You see many examples throughout the routes that show Sakura's connection as family with Shirou and Taiga.
We always got pieces of Sakura's mindset, like when she and Taiga had a sleepover with Saber, and you talk to both Sakura and Saber about it afterwards, Sakura says her apprehensions about Saber have been lifted (something you should have kept in mind due to her reaction to seeing your command seal). And Saber mentions how while Sakura seems docile, she always had her guard up around her at a really high level. The silly people who don't pay attention thought that was just jealousy.
Then you have the Fate route, where Sakura nonchalantly gets Rin to admit her school idol persona is an act, and you get to see a glimpse of the two sister's fractured relationship, as well as Sakura's strained pity for Shinji. Not to mention the scene before they went to school where Sakura confronted Rin showed not only a piece of Rin's clumsy way of being a big sister to Sakura, but Sakura's reactions to it. That they magically seemed to work that confrontation out in a five minute conversation should raise some thought to the player.
So saying you never see any of her before HF is plainly wrong. No offense, but that seems to be why some lack good analysis of her character.
>>14930505
Shirou never once "fumbles" in UBW after he gets his answer in the Archer fight.
Shirou's contradictions are repeated addressed in the story, particularly early on in UBW, and the story has him struggling to reach an end point with them, but he does, and his logic isn't at all inconsistent by the end of the route.
He will do his best to help others, but if push comes to shove, he's not afraid to fight.
You can't ignore the linear progression of his character, even though FSN, as a whole, is non-linear.
>>14930742
The story was not meant to say he wouldn't stumble on his way toward the ideal, but that he would pick himself up and keep going.
Nasu even said himself that the end of the route wasn't meant to say everything is completely clear for him now or he won't have any doubts along the way. Just like in any route, it's a part of his journey. All we got is that "at the place Archer stopped, he kept going" with no details. Kind of like how they did Last Episode.
>>14931404
You misunderstand. I'm not saying he doesn't face struggles, either in the route or out, but he doesn't contradict himself.
By the end of the story, Shirou wants to help people, but isn't afraid to get his hands dirty to do so.
This is exemplified in the Gil fight, with Shirou and Rin taking great risks to save Shinji, someone who was admittedly pretty bad, but helpless, while fighting Gil, with Shirou readily willing to kill him.
>>14930098
>"Typemoon sellout? Nasu a hack? what the fuck are you talking about? you're just a nostalgic "muh secret hobby" oldfag, just go back in your basement you pathetic neckbeard"
~modern typemoon fans defending CCC, apocrypha, strange/fake, fgo and all that other shit, 2016
>>14930554
No, no I don't think my assessment is false at all.
These are short scenes that add up to drops in the bucket in a VN that's 800k words long.
I think it's particularly telling how one of your arguments is talking about a scene where Shirou is informed of what happened at the "sleepover" with Saber and Taiga. You, the reader, don't see it.
Again, it's tell, not show.
Just like how most of the basis for Sakura's relationship is just that.
I never once said you don't see her prior to HF though, but she is comparatively a minor character in both Fate and UBW. I would say even more minor than Taiga, since she doesn't even have the dojos going for her.
Compare that to Rin and Saber, who are omnipresent throughout the entire narrative.
>>14931655
Can you please stop discussing this garbage like it it was some fine literarure, where structure and character motivation have some meaning?
do you review and debate french fries and montain dew too?
just fucking stop
>>14931698
There's obviously some merit to FSN if it keeps on being relevant a decade down the line.
Would you prefer me to just make some random shitposts though? Is that more your comfort zone?
>>14931711
>since it keeps being relevant, it must have some merit
That's like saying that if something is popular then it must be good
>>14930213
Actually koei doesn't make the KR games
>>14931778
People still talk about FSN. Its story. Its themes.
I don't think it's super deep or anything, but there are nuances there, and that helps make it interesting, and part of the reason people keep on enjoying it.
>>14930153
———Is there a meaning behind the naming the circle TYPE-MOON?
Nasu Well, I guess if you say it like that, there is one, but how should I explain it?
Takeuchi If I recall correctly each of us put in some ideas.
Nasu But then it would be so vague, like it wouldn't come together at all. Now that you mention it, did any of you actually give it some serious thought? (laughs)
Takeuchi When did we finalize it? I think it was decided by the time of the preview disk.
Kiyobee I posted a bunch of names on the message board.
Takeuchi Right, right. But in the end nothing was decided. It was something like "Why don't we just go with Nasu's TYPE-MOON?" And we went with that since no one had any objections.
Let's talk about how fantastic the music is in Fate/Extra & CCC
https://youtu.be/Z5irjoHv99o
>>14930117
I'll never forget how Aksys reacted when I asked about CCC at Evo.
Effectively "it's never coming here, give it up."
Extra was successful, but not enough to warrant Nasu's pricetag.
I hope we get best archer as a playable character
>>14931800
I agree. Fate was truly amazing objectively. As well as Tsukihime and Hollow Ataraxia. They fouled it up by doing the rehashes over and over.. A new story, the same talent, and a different plot could revive Type Moon, but then again i think that's already in everyone's minds that Type Moon = Fate.
Do they really need to dress their characters like sluts? If someone had told me that Typemoon would turn like this 8 years ago I wouldn't have believed them.
>>14943021
It is a bit weird that the farther they get from making actual pornography, the more erotic the designs get.
>>14943021
Even their sluts got sluttier
Originally announced in April of 2008 in Tech Gian and Type-Moon Ace together with Mahoutsukai no Yoru and Girls' Work as part of the "The next worlds of TYPE-MOON" project. A few months after the announcement, a small website was put up for the game. Since the announcement, no new information has been released, and the website is no longer available after TYPE-MOON revamped its main homepage in mid-2010.
>>14943322
Takeuchi: As everyone already knows, Tsukihime is the doujin game from when we first started. Since its release, the doujin group TYPE-MOON became a company, and works like Fate were released, so we've always been thinking when to commercialize Tsuhime. However, time constraints became more and more frequent, and we missed many opportunities to do a remake. The doujin group TYPE-MOON was formed in the summer of 1999, next year will be our 10th anniversary. This is a great time for a remake, or rather, if we miss this opportunity again, we won't get another chance. So we thought that we can't let this chance go no matter what.
This remake will need to satisfy the needs of both players who played the original Tsukihime 10 years ago as well as those who just recently came into contact with it; this is a fine balance that is one of the biggest difficulties facing us. Not to say knowing where to begin is already something very scary. In the past we simply say to each other "so when are we going to remake Tsukihime?" Just presenting it in the same form as the original game would be an embarrassment to us. As a result, we're not facing a difficult battle (laughs). Production will officially begin after Witch on the Holy Night is finished, the reason we announced it so early is because announcing them together creates more impact, please understand (sweat).
There shouldn't be any change of that magnitude. The manga version of Melty Blood and Tsukihime are still being serialized, and they are all related. Also, many like the current design, so I can't make any more design decisions by myself like with Touko. If there is going to be change, it will be on the level of clothe and hairstyle. It would be great if we can achieve the level of upgrade as Rebuild of Evangelion (laughs).
It will be after Witch on the Holy Night, the precise time is not clear. We don't plan on waiting too long, or we won't be able to catch the 10th anniversary mark (laughs).
A discussion between Nasu Kinoko and Takeuchi Takashi on Fate/hollow ataraxia and the Fate franchise that in Fate/complete material V Hollow material, which was released in February 2012.
What is 『Fate』 to TYPE-MOON?
Nasu: 5 years ago we said that "this will not go beyond one product," but even saying TYPE-MOON now is just another word for 『Gundam』. It just keeps changing forms and moving forward. That’s not to say we’re just artificially extending it, of course. 『Fate/EXTRA』 was a good test for us. It was fun to write, and fun to make. If the players also enjoys it then it’s a Win-Win, is it not?
Takeuchi: As a product I do feel like it has grown much more than I expected. Whenever we said that 『Fate』 was over and done with, it would refuse to die. I suppose it’s only natural to love and revere something that you have spent so much time cultivating and being so fulfilled by, and to become so attached to it. I don’t mean to be obsessive, but I do want to treat this with utmost care, as we have done up until this point.
Nasu: This is for us what 『Final Fantasy』 is for Square Enix. On a way smaller scale, of course!
Takeuchi: I know you may sometimes think "Not another 『Fate』!" but even "another" 『Fate』 game wouldn’t be 『Fate』 at all.
Nasu: We plan to our utmost into every 『Fate』 so that the players who have stuck it out with us so far love it just the same. If we can just do that the fans will still be with us even as they say "Ah, its 『Fate』 again."
Takeuchi: 『Fate』 is really interesting isn’t it? We have the room to think about new possibilities. We will not make a direct sequel, but we’ll go for anything that seems interesting.
Nasu: The 『Fate』 I want to make now is that one, 『Fate Musou』. (laughs)
Nasu: So the last entry to tie up the 『Fate』 series has been released, and I guess we finally close the book on the 『Fate』 canon this time.
Takeuchi: All in all, I’m happy that this book came out to bring TYPE-MOON circle prior to the release of 『Mahoutsukai no Yoru』.
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Holy fucking shit, seriously, are people usually this retarded? It's downright cringeworthy, oh my god. And they keep complaining about Japan's supposedly "shit taste," it's even quite hilarious.
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These guys are cool though.
FSN is too long-winded for something that is ultimately nothing better than "okay."
Why can't VN writers work more concisely? Or does this have something to do with the economic side of VN making?
>>14945561
I thought it was pretty epik dude
>>14945561
Stop posting.
