How many of you have actually learned how to speak japanese or use their writing systems? How long did it take to learn it? Are you currently learning it? Did you need a tutor or was self taught?
>>14903592
I have been learning for 10 months now, and I know 1000 kanji + 2500 words.
>>14903592
i've been learning for over a year now. w/ 2 teachers. but its still shit because my town (sweden) has more a cuckold fetish for dirty arabs than superior nihongo kultur
>>14903592
Can read fluently and understand everyday sentences, generic animeand porn vocabulary. Self taught, took 1 month to learn kana, grammar and basic kanji. Took 6 years of playing japanese games and reading/watching stuff (without practicing kanji or anything) to get to my current efficiency.
>>14904554
Filthy
Dumb
Frog posting
Scum
>>14904554
please
1) never post frogs here again
2) never post on /jp/ again
3) never post on 4chan again
>>14903592
>How many of you have actually learned how to speak Japanese or use their writing systems?
not really yet
>How long did it take to learn it?
i dont really know Japanese yet
>Are you currently learning it?
yes
>Did you need a tutor or was self taught?
I am in a class that just started
>>14903592
I started learning on my own around the beginning of 2014 and started taking japanese classes at university that fall. Since then I've been in japanese classes almost constantly and spent a few weeks there last summer. I still feel like I know very little and I'm already in the highest class my school offers so I guess I'll have to start serious self study after that. Progress will almost never be amazingly fast and I feel like it's something you'll have to really enjoy learning just for the sake of it and not just to watch animus or whatever, at least if you expect to get past learning kana and genki 1 stage. It's definitely rewarding though.
>>14904554
Disgusting.
>>14903592
One day I thought "oh hey maybe learning this will be useful" and slowly but naturally memorized kana. I can't remember how long it took me.
Maybe one day I'll try to learn the rest of the language too.
>>14903592
What's the point of having both hiragana and katakana? Did some ancient japanese man think 'no we cannot let our grorious nihongo hiragana be corrupted by baka gaijin words, I'll come up with a whole new alphabet and they can use that one instead'?
>>14905224
Katakana is not only for foreign words, it's frequently used for emphasis in modern times and was initially created as a shorthand of chinese characters and used by men in official documents way before any western influence touched Japan.
I don't know why so many sources push this "katakana is for loan words" misconception, it's definitely a huge part of how they're used now but it's not exclusive at all.
>>14905288
But even still, regardless of its places of use, why are there two separate alphabets? What stopped them from just using hiragana for everything?
Was katakana an attempt at simplifying the alphabet that only sort of half caught on so now there's a mix of both used?
>>14905302
I don't know too much about it honestly but they were introduced through Bhuddism to simplify these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man'y%C5%8Dgana
And you can ask why there are two seperate alphabets but you can also ask why English has different letter cases, as well as cursive.
There's probably a lot of reasons and it's not necisarrily important to understand all of them, just that katakana isn't as simple as loan words, since even if you're only reading modern stuff you're quickly going to realize that's simply not true.
I'm just a novice who studies in my free time though so don't take any of this too seriously.
>>14905346
That link fucked up, you have to copy paste it.
I can fluently speak, read, and write Japanese. I studied very hard on my own at first, and mastered the basics of Japanese reading and writing. I had no Japanese to talk with so I had no speaking ability. My ability really skyrocketed when I studied for a year and a half at a Japanese language school in Japan. In a year in a half I reached fluency and mastered (most) kanji and grammar. I've been living in Japan for 3 yrs and keep improving. In essence, I reached fluency through immersion. My best advice would be to read as much Japanese as you can at home. VNs, manga, internet newspapers, novels, etc. Look up every word you don't know. For kanji, write each character 100+ times on a notepad and use flash cards to test yourself, and read (a lot). For speaking, if you can't move to Japan, do a language exchange on Skype with a Japanese. I really hope more people learn Japanese. Especially /jp/ers.
https://www.tofugu.com/learn-japanese/
https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/learn-hiragana/
You can look at those links if you want to teach yourself. Seems pretty easy so far
Can someone grade this for me?
I learnt the wi and we kana within the first week of trying to learn Japanese.
>>14905480
>I've been living in Japan for 3 yrs and keep improving.
Was it worth it?
Did you make friends?
my biggest fear about doing a study abroad in japan is that i will not make any friends and end up being an autistic faggot stuck in a foreign country for 6 months
>>14905968
well if you have a problem NOT making friends where you're at now .. that doesn't mean your problems are going to be fixed.
You should still study abroad, but you should also try to improve yourself socially.
>>14905986
>You should still study abroad, but you should also try to improve yourself socially.
how do I do this? Will you help me?
Is it worth it to study abroad if i dont have friends here and have a problem making friends?
Also a big problem I have here is I really hate the people around me, they are dumb people, shitty people. they like stuff like drinking alcohol and "turning up" with GIRLS every weekend, and they dont even watch anime, they probably havent even played touhou, i dont even think they can speak japanese i HATE them, they are bad people and bad influences on me
honestly i just want to translate doujins i dont need friends for that but going to japan will help me i think
Just started to learn hiragana last night, wondering if any of you know any kind of test I could use to evaluate my progress.
Also, do you know any good dictionary I could get?
>>14906040
https://quizlet.com/482514/flashcards
>>14906006
>they are bad people and bad influences on me
I feel like /jp/ may also have been a bad influence on you
>>14906257
they just have stupid shit lives
it feels like they are so superficial, like they have no real interests other than drinking and fucking
literally all my roommate talks about is food, drinking, fucking, and anime... and he only likes anime because it is a competition, because he has watched MORE than I have and MORE than others have
that is what these people like, what "normal" people are like here in uni
this is why i need to go to japan
>>14906006
I understand how you feel up until the point of
>they dont even watch anime
you can't force the people around you to part-take in your interests.
If you move to Japan I honestly don't think you'll make "friends".
at least without money because think about it you're going to have to go to all alot of things where people share your interests.
your personality also seems a bit sour
Am I the only one who realized that I suddenly knew Japanese after several years of watching anime? I literally put in no effort trying to learn actively. One day my media player didn't display subs and I just understood the whole thing.
Only then I tried to learn hira and kata. Fuck kanji because I already know Chinese. Now I can read light novels, but at a rather slow speed.
is it hard to learn more than one language at a time?
i'm currently taking french, but am interested in japanese
The hardest part about learning Japanese is finding the motivation to work through the grind. It's like learning piano. I say that because I'm also learning piano. Sometimes I don't do anything because I don't have the motivation.
>>14905634
I'm starting this course, too, but I found a way to self-check as you go along. If you install the Japanese keyboard, you can type in Hiragana, like pic related. The only problem is the instructions say to use the romaji, and this kinda skips that step and jumps to typing in Hiragana instead.I gave up on using the click-and-drag one because I've always been bad at seek puzzles like that.
I learned Japanese to fluency because of /jp/. It's probably been like 7 years since I came to this board and started learning (and soon after stopped coming around). I have a site where I talk about how I learned, but I'm not posting that shit here.
Anyways, I learned using Anki and Heisig's Remember the Kanji. You don't really need either, but they helped me get a grip on the writing system and helped keep me on track. The heavy lifting was learning how to read manga at about 6 months into studying Japanese, and then continuing to read manga constantly from then on. It kept me using the shit I had already learned and introduced me to tons of shit that I didn't know. It was also fairly entertaining, since I could pick shit that I liked.
I also went to uni and studied Japanese, but that really only helped with speaking. It didn't even really help with that all that much. I studied abroad in Japan for a while and THAT really taught me how to speak/write Japanese (I was fluent in terms of understanding by that point).
But really...
>>14906399
It's what this guy says. The number one thing to learning Japanese (or any other language) is having a goal/reason and grinding through the process for a long time. Make it as fun as you possibly can and work at that shit every day.
I feel like I have a decent grip on grammar but my vocab is really lacking because I haven't studied much outside of classes. I've been trying to find a way to just grind out vocab and do a little bit of study everyday with something like anki but I can't find a deck that I like with just the kanji and reading/meaning. Anyone got any advice?
>>14905480
>do a language exchange on Skype with a Japanese
Any website you can recommend for it? Because I don't know any.
>>14907575
Make your own deck.
>>14907575
Learning kanji readings in isolation is dumb. Learn them with vocab.
>>14907575
Read shit that you enjoy reading and look up words you don't know. Go a step further and add them to a personal Anki deck if you want. Oh, and what that other guy said. Just learn the kanji as part of vocab. (Or go more extreme in the other direction and do Heisig, but that isn't necessary for everyone.)
>>14907605
Google Lang-8. Start writing some shit in Japanese and check the English for some Japs. Find some people that want to exchange Skype IDs. Tah-dah, you now have a Skype language partner or five.
>>14905480
In october 2017 am going there for 2 years to study in a japanese language school.
Any advice to make the most out of it.
>I've been living in Japan for 3 yrs
Did you find a job there?
>>14905480
>I studied for a year and a half at a Japanese language school in Japan
How did you fund this? Did you already have a bunch of money saved up?
>>14905968
I'm on a year-long uni exchange in Singapore and I had similar fears before travelling here. It can be nerve wracking moving somewhere where you don't know a soul. But living in a different country has been one of the most rewarding experiences of my life. You learn so much every day, and even little insignificant things (like different brands in grocery stores and different transportation systems etc.) can be really interesting. If you have the means to go then you should, I don't think you'd regret it!
> tfw i'm too lazy
I am fluent in Japanese but I have a voice coach I go to each week to help me sound more native
Over 6 years now
Anyone else just concluded that same-sex offline friends are a waste of time? I would rather be around girls
>>14907605
http://skypech.com/
http://chatpad.jp/
those two, im using chat pad once a day because im using linux (fell for the meme) and cant skype
hope it helps
I'm ok with reading and listening but I'm shitting all over the place when speaking.
I have social anxiety and really get nervous and lose my head when talking to people I don't know.
Is there any other way or is it really just manning the fuck up?
>>14911191
go to the doctor i have schizophrenia and going to the doctor helped me alot
can someone tell me if this is correct?
大丈夫です!さあ。。 東京国際大学で通っていました?すまん.俺のくそメモリ。。。
Is it weird? I'm basically trying to convey:
"It's OK! did you attend [school name]? Sorry, my memory is shit."
>>14911900
I can tell you it's not.
>>14905968
It was definitely worth it.
I do have Japanese friends here, but to be completely honest, if you arent proactive, it's a little hard. You have to go out and seek relationships. Japanese like to hang out in groups. So if you get into a group, you're set.
>>14908540
Awesome! My best piece of advice would be to study really hard at school and be passionate about learning the language. If you pass at least the JLPT N2, that will really open some doors for you in terms of job opportunities. Look for people to speak Japanese with and make friends. Your speaking ability will really benefit.
I got into a programming college after the language school and I'm starting a new job soon as a software engineer. If you want a job, you need Japanese ability and a skill set in something (like computers). It takes a lot of work go get this,
But if you're really passionate enough it's completely possible.
>>14912160
how would I say something like that?
>>14911900
>"It's OK! did you attend [school name]? Sorry, my memory is shit."
It seems like this is a casual conversation, so I would word it like this:
大丈夫だよ! 東京国際大学に通ってたっけ?ごめん、俺の記憶力はマジでクソだから、、、
>>14912280
thank you anon
Learning Japanese is impossible. I have been at it for a while and all I can do is read porn manga. Without difficult kanji, that is. Sure seems like great success for the investment.
>>14912643
Sounds like you need to stop being a bitch and learn the kanji. Did you think you'd just magically know them at some point?
>>14912244
Thank you anon!!
>>14906366
It is not so difficult but you need to actually use the language you are learning.
I was studying french and italian but i end up dropping italian because i really never used it.
>>14913208
As a native italian speaker, I am curious.
Why did you try study italian?
Is there any good place to practice messaging in Japanese with no real obligation to respond? Like chat rooms or something? I tried Hello Talk and used it for a while but I always felt bad when I couldn't make the time to type up a response and conversations usually petered out after a couple of days anyway. I'd like something like a discord room where I could just pop in when I get the urge to test out my Japanese.
>>14913810
>>14913230
I want to read poems and books on their original language.
>>14913810
2ch
>>14914023
How do I post, there isn't a proxy that isn't banned.
>>14905968
Different guy, but I live in Japan and don't have any Japanese friends other than my wife to be honest. It's a waste of time. (I'd like to hang out with pretty girls more but everyone in their 20s is too busy with their careers and looking for boyfriends or girlfriends to be hanging out with members of the opposite sex for anything other than dating.)
All the social irritations are the same here as anywhere else. People are as dull/interesting/fashionable/scruffy/smart/stupid as anywhere else. Any difference from where you came from you experience if you come here will probably be attributable to your foreignness bringing you attention or your excitement pushing you to be more outgoing than usual.
The advantages of living here are mostly hobby stuff, good transportation and low crime. There are a lot of game studios to work for in Tokyo if you're into that, and there's the finance industry too if you want money. There is low obesity which is good if the sight of that bothers you.
>>14914986
move to japan, its that easy anon
this isnt rocket science
Would /jp/ recommend using this site: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/verbs.
Is there anything better?
>>14906040
http://realkana.com/
Grinding them out on this really helped me.
http://japanese.about.com/od/japaneselessons/fl/Japanese-Lessons.htm
What steps did you guys take when learning the language? Can you also include how long those steps took. I'm interested in using my spare time learning Japanese.
Ex:
1. (step) - 1month
2. (step) - 2-3 months
and so forth..
>>14911186
>im using linux
I hope is lubuntu senpai
>>14919812
It was kinda "gay" but my third step was kissing my dad every morning and tell him "omoshiroi",
>>14919922
>using Linux
But any BSD operating system is better than GNU/Linux.
>>14903592
>no ゐ
>no ヱ
>>14920095
hello gramps
>>14919922
nah, its linux mint
also anyone found someone interesting in skypech.com? the one i added is boring as fuck i dont know what to do