Old Thread >>14790243
First for Euphoric detectives
Why can't they just use firearms instead?
>>14877037
Only the most euphoric
>>14877037
I want fapfics
6th for the girl who browses /x/ and /r9k/ on a daily basis.
I would hate fuck Erika.
>>14877501
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>>14877529
Lucifer is the only girl in Umineko that deserves to be bullied with the dick.
>>14877529
K.
I wish I had a good laptop so I could download Ougon Musou Kyoku CROSS and money match other Umineko in that game.
>>14877576
*other Umineko fans at Anime cons
>>14877576
That's a very good picture. I like you, anon.
>>14877573
Lucy seems like the type of girl who would enjoy being bullied by a dick.
She does enjoy being submissive.
Is there some download for manga? I don't really want to read it from Manga Fox.
Wouldn't it be cool if you could read the VN with old sprites but still have the cool CGs of the new version. Art shifts like those would make my kokoro go doki doki.
>>14877576
I always enjoyed how Lambda is the only one with pantyshots in that game.Or at least has the most noticeable ones. I didn't pay much attention to other characters.
>>14877734
We had nice network threads over ougon or even efz.
Too bad they got buried by crossboarders and irc elitists.
>>14877544
Holy shit
Second from the top left is Iyami
Are you fucking telling me that the Senate of Witches, Aurora, Bernkastel, Will, Erika, ect never existed? That Ange never met with her family in that last game?
That it was all made up by a delusional Yasu as a way to come to terms with her being a dick and realizing she should save Battler?
Because having Auau exist in the real world as Hachijou but also be an actual witch is kind of a slap in the face to Ryukishi's determination to convince readers to deny all magic and see through the magic for what is really going on. I'm still blown away by the story and am in love with it, but it feels like an asspull.
The magic ending was nice, though.
>>14877860
Beato isn't a real witch and no magic was involved in the incident of Roukenjima, doesn't means Magic doesn't exists.
"Magic" in Umineko isn't a straightforward concept either way.
>>14877605
Just read it at Batoto, the quality there is good
>>14877860
It's all your choice pal.
One perfectly valid explanation is the one you've just given. Bern is a cat. Everything is a weird meta lie, magic never existed, Auau is an author avatar, and Lambda was only a character in a story.
One other, perfectly valid explanation is that Bern is a witch, Lambda is a witch, Auau is big mama witch, and everything is a big magical combat between people embodying concepts.
Of course, parts of Umineko are only coherent if you believe that both explanations are valid at the same time.
>>14877860
>not choosing to believe magic exists
Your loss.
>>14877860
I don't think Ikuko necessarily is a witch. The stuff about her not aging could just be a joke. For that matter, both Eva and Natsuhi are supposed to be 50, but it looks like they stopped aging as well
>tells Rosa she should just let Maria be during lunch
>tells everyone to fuck when things actually get juicy
Faggot.
Did they fug?
>>14878093
Considering they were together for literal decades and only a fool would pass on Ikuko, probably, and I mean, Ryukishi did initially intend to make them a married couple, but changed his mind when the women on his team were against it.
itt someone said that EP4 was the best of the question arcs.
I agree that it was the best of the first four. I mainly attribute that to the better parallelisms of Yasu with Maria and Ange. The previous two Episodes felt much more limited in that regard when you looked at Rosa and Eva. Well, EP2's was more expanded upon in EP4.
Looking back at EP3, the best moment for me was Eva trapping Battler in her red web before Beato stepped in, but that was the only stand out moment looking back.
I'm planning to re-read soon to flesh out my opinions more, but that's what I think of it at the moment. Hopefully the scenes in EP4 aren't as drawn out as I felt like they were before.
>>14877602
>>14877544
Soon the Ushiromiya gold shall belong to me goys
>>14878117
>women on his team were against it.
tfw cuck.
>>14877501
That guy draws the very best Erika and I love how devoted he is.
Also I wonder what a relationship with Erika would be like.
>End of the Golden Witch is still the weakest arc thus far in the overall Umineko When They Cry series. This volume manages to rectify some of the sins of the previous book by giving readers a little more to work with and getting to the point that the author was trying to make all along – that the murder mystery is absurd when you take a step back and really look at it. Hopefully the next story arc will stick with this more measured approach and the author can restrain himself – when we're allowed to make our own assumptions and inferences, mystery, no matter how strange, is more fun on the whole.
Do you agree?
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/umineko-when-they-cry-episode-5/end-of-the-golden-witch-volume-3/gn-12/.99360
>>14878997
You would be better served by stopping reading trash websites.
>>14878997
Seems like they got hung up on the meta discussions. The author sure is in for a ride with the next eps.
>>14878997
>− Erika may make sense, but she's still obnoxious; the witch thing is really getting old. Actual mystery takes a back seat to metafictional genre discussions.
My sides.
>>14878997
>Actual mystery takes a back seat to metafictional genre discussions.
I feel like she missed the point of the ending
>>14879014
Why are you trying to drive anon away?
Reading Ep 4 and I'm really confused.
How can it go from Ange's flashback to her denying the Seven Stakes in her private school AFTER the Rokkenjima Massacre, but then go to Maria seeing Sakutaro being killed BEFORE the incident but being actively aware of Ange denying the Seven Stakes which takes place in the future?
Maria mentions how mad she is at Ange right before Sakutaro cheers her up and then Maria goes to get dinner but forgets her key. I mean, at the time that happened, Ange was supposed to be 4 or so, right?
pls respond
>>14879126
I might be remembering this wrong, but I don't think Maria was angry at Ange for denying the stakes. She was angry at her for saying that magic wasn't real when they played together some time earlier
>>14879156
Oh, so this (pic) was referring to that playdate or whatever?
I see, I guess I just misinterpreted Maria's line due to that scene being right after Ange denying magic. I think I remember Maria mentioning that too.
Thanks, I understand now.
Beato.
Desire.
Battler.
Trick
>>14879870
>>14879761
>>14879573
>>14879538
At least attach an image to it.
>>14879930
Use your imagination.
>>14879930
newfag
>>14879955
B(R)EA(S)TO
<GOOD>
>>14879966
LEWD
>>14879966
>liking fake breasts
>>14880168
This is Beatrice, not Yasu. I'll enjoy my busty meta witch, thank you very much.
>That's how it is. Next, I'll explain the situation >for all 18 people who exist on this island.
>Kinzo is dead.
>Krauss is dead.
>Natsuhi is dead.
>Hideyoshi is dead.
>George is dead.
>Rudolf is dead.
>Kyrie is dead.
>Rosa is dead.
>Maria is dead.
>Genji is dead.
>Shannon is dead.
>Kanon is dead.
>Gohda is dead.
>Kumasawa is dead.
>Nanjo is dead.
>The 15 people mentioned are dead.
>And, Battler is alive.
>Eva is alive.
>Jessica is alive.
>This is all 18 people!
...
>Ushiromiya Jessica has not committed murder!
>She was not involved with Nanjo's murder!!
>Her eyes were completely blocked.
>It's impossible for her to carry out a murder like that! And here's an extra.
>Neither Eva nor Battler killed Nanjo, nor were they involved!!
What did she mean by this?
I noticed that the rifle is no longer referred to by name in the PS3 port, is there any reason for this? Could it be because the name Winchester is trademarked or something like that?
>A human that is both X and Kanon
What did she mean by this?
>>14878350
To be fair Battler is a bitch.
>>14880227
Can a sawed-off rifle like that really be dual wielded, or is it just the usual anime logic?
>>14880520
You definitely can.
Now whether you will be able to aim for shit or handle the recoil is other matter.
>>14880585
>handle the recoil
Yeah, skinny little Yasu shooting the rifle with one hand seems a bit far-fetched.But then again, it never really happened
>>14880520
>>14880585
Kinzo can do it. He's a big, cool man.
>>14877930
>>14878039
Now that I look back and think on it more, I felt too betrayed by the ending and became paranoid of becoming a goat and blindly believing in magic. But now, I'm seeing it as more of a multilayered story like Higurashi, where Bern and Lambda are traveling through stories and have real magic. Their interest was piqued enough to entertain Yasu's tale and make her a witch. It's actually a really beautiful and kind thing, even if Bernkastel became malicious.
Thanks for the input, I think I was just being shallow at the end.
What is a good way to introduce someone to Umineko or Higurashi? It's a serious time commitment and I always want to share my admiration for how deep of a story it is, but calling anything deep cant help but come off as pretentious.
>>14878082
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Now that Higurashi is getting a new live-action series in May, what are the chances of Umineko getting one as well eventually? The Higurashi movies werefucking atrocious,so I kinda want one of Umineko, just so I can laugh at it
I want her to beato my meato with her teatos.
>>14881003
Forgot image.
>>14881008
I'm guessing first you'll want to clean those featos
>>14880758
>What is a good way to introduce someone to Umineko or Higurashi?
Start them with the first episode of the Higurashi visual novel. If they like it enough then they'll want more, otherwise don't try to force it.
What got you into the series that made you want to check it out?
>>14881003
Whatever floats you boat, man. I'm happy for you.
>>14881062
That's true, but I feel like it can't really be appreciated without the reveal of the Rika groundhog day fragment shit. It really blew my mind and made the story for me. I just want them to UNDERSTAND.
And I'd seen it around a lot and heard it was edgy. I like visual novels more as a media than anime.
How about you? It's a good thread topic.
>>14880208
Hax
>>14881113
I watched the anime first. I first saw it from the fingernail ripping scene on youtube back in the day and watched the series for the "killer lolis". It's a terrible and embarrassing reason but this was around a decade ago when I was still about 12.
You like visual novels, how about explaining to your friends what makes visual novels stand out from a regular one? Or in this case "sound novels".
>>14881145
Music to distract people from noticing that shitty style the translators end up putting out? Pictures to lessen the workload when it comes to imagery and description?
>>14881346
I like them because they're 100 times longer
>>14881145
Honestly? I think that's the draw for most people. It's really crazy how much more immersive and well written the vn versus the anime.
and that's a good way to put it.
>>14881346
Where is this coming from? Do not be so hostile to the Umineko. I could still appreciate the story, noting misspellings or the dialougue hovering over a line of periods, but being able to experience and enjoy it. These people are not professionals. I'm pretty sure it's not their job, they can't sustain their livelyhood on donations alone/ They have real life shit to do, yet are still working on patches, slowly.
And the lack of imagery is a matter of taste in the author. I read a fantasy author with (I counted) 8 pages describing a single palace. It's the writer's choice and if it doesn't appeal to you that's fine. to each their own.
>>14881369
Same. They tend to have a lot more of the 'show, don't tell' aspects that draw out the events of a story more steadily than an anime or manga. You get more immersion, I think. Empathy and familiarity are best drawn out in the reader when they get into the routines of the characters, live as them for a while. Which is a really clever thing of Ryukishi to do, since he loves that emotional bait and switch. Have a relieved happy even before something scary happens. You get used to the norm, so it's all the more shocking and real when freaky shit happends.
That's at least why I like the length.
Which Umineko would youfug?
>>14881491
Literally every female except Maria and Kumasawa
>>14881495
But Kumasawa's mackerel pussy technique is unrivaled!
>>14881491
I really love this artist. I wish that they drew all of the Umineko mangas. That would be an ungodly ammount of work to do, too.
I like the others artists, but I'm fond of this person's paneling and pacing. (Unless someone else does the panels/storyboarding. Also their art style is just really cute/ appropriately scary when need be.
>>14881485
>These people are not professionals. I'm pretty sure it's not their job
The old translation of Higurashi was done by MangaGamer, which is a real company, and it was really bad. The new translation on Steam is better though
>>14881540
>I wish that they drew all of the Umineko mangas
At least she was the only artist who drew multiple Episodes (1, 3 and 8). Doing all of them would probably be a bit too much
I didn't realize until now that the whole Umineko manga actually is shonen. It's a bit surprising, considering how violent some of it was
>>14881491
Rudolf and Gohda.
>>14881753
Wouldn't it be seinen? Shonen is marketed towards preteens, and it would be a bit inappropriate for them to be reading Umineko. See: All of the murders (especially first twilight of the second game and Rosa's death[s] during episode 4) and Yasu's overall backstory.
>>14881491
Ange and Mammon for obvious reasons.
>>14881491
Lambda, Maria,loliAnge, Jessica, Eva-Beatrice,Lion, Belphegor, 410 and Dlanor.
Bern and Erika too but not because I like them or anything.
>>14878039
both could be true. in the higher universe, not bound by the 3 dimensionality the free, unbound spirits have their fun with the lower world and those who are still bound by their bodies and refuse to look up, like goats, believing their world is the only reality.
on the lower, material world it's reflected by cat, cake, mary sue avatar and amnesia battler.
>>14881877
>Gohda
My fellow of African descent!
There's nothing better than a big guy with a pathetic scream like his. He seems eager to please. I bet he'd make you breakfast in bed the next morning, too.
>>14880653
I always wondered how she hid the gunshots? Surely someone like Natsuhi who does not sleep well must have heard a couple of faces getting blasted off during the night.
Well, I guess she tried to match it with the thunder, but that does not always work.
Are all Umineko memes dead besides OH DESIRE?
>>14881877
>Wouldn't it be seinen?
I thought so as well, but all the Episodes were serialized in magazines that are exclusively for shonen manga
>>14880344
I wonder whose stakes those feet are.
>>14881956
Here we have an anon with a good taste.
>>14881491
I would mindbreak Erika with the D and make her shout ＜ＯＨＨＨ ＹＥＡＡＨＨ ＶＥＲＹ ＧＯＯＤ＞
>>14881491
Tender loving with Lambdadelta!
>>14881877
Not only that but with all of the talk about logic and philosophy you'd expect it to be senien.
>>14881753
The Higanbana manga was a shonen as well, despite being very, very dark. However, it was in the same magazine as some other questionable shonen series', like Highschool of the Dead.
>>14881491
To be honest, I kind of want to fuck Battler. He's a handsome guy
>>14883190
Who wouldn't
>yfw all this happened because someone wanted to fuck Battler
>>14877501
Erika shouldn't wear panties.
>>14883211
>>14878093
Again, no. Battler was 18 during the events on the island. The present time is 12 years after the events. What do you call someone who's a virgin in their 30s?A Wizard.
Battler 'fooled around' with other girls but he didn't really had sex with any of them because he's nihilistic.
>>14878117
They were together for decades but it doesn't make them a couple. I think leaving it open leaves room for imagination on what their relationship was like for all those years. Making them married implies a lot.
>>14878997
End is objectively best arc. What did this chick expect when picking up Umineko?
>>14883190
Battler seems like he wouldn't be much fun in bed.
The other Battler would be better.
>>14883284
She says in the review that "the witch thing is really getting old", so she probably expected a normal murder mystery or something. In that case, she's going to hate the next Episode
>>14883449
Well what do you expect when getting into Umineko? The witch stuff is just as important as the mystery aspect, and has been the entire series. But yeah I can see her hating the next several episodes.
>>14880208
One of the best moments of the entire thing.
>>14883754
OBJECTION
Battler is the detective and there fore seeing Lucifer breaks the rules!
>>14883778
Until he gets drunk again.
>>14883794
>>14883854
Left on me.
>>14883854
Me in the bottle
>>14883854
Me flying in the background
>>14883854
Me being sat on.
>>14883754
Lucifer is love, Lucifer is life.
I bet battler is sleeping with Lucifer on the side.
>>14883941
>Lucifer is love, Lucifer is life.
I still think that this is extremely wrong to say.
>>14883941
>I bet battler is sleeping with Lucifer on the side.
Of course, who wouldn't? Beato is fine, but she's nothing compared to Lucifer
>>14883995
also the other six stakes would probably show up and try to prove Battler that they are better in bed than Luci-nee.
Post more Erika
>>14884050
Batt better snort some Viagra.
LUCY A SHIT BEL A BEST
>>14884108
>>14884064
Death by snu-snu.
>>14884168
post more menacing bern pls
>>14884479
>>14877734
Jessica has quite a few
>>14884479
>>14884168
>>14884648
>>14884737
>>14884800
I want Bern to yell at me
>>14884809
I'd rather be obedient to her and get a gentle dominating from her
>>14884809
>>14884815
Both sound nice.
Did Ryu commission another artist to make the portraits of Beatrice? It definitely isn't his art style.
>>14883019
You know, I was annoyed with Natsuhi in the beginning but after a few arcs, I really came to like her. She's strong in the real way.
>>14884967
From the little info I can find, it seems they were made by 江草天仁, who also made the art for the PS3 port. I have no fucking clue how his name is supposed to be written in romaji though
>>14884967
>>14885184
Ekusa Takahito drew the portraits for Umineko
>>14885223
Yeah, that sounds about right. For some reason, Google Translate gave me Egusa TakashiHitoshi when I tried to figure out the romaji spelling
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%86%E3%81%BF%E3%81%AD%E3%81%93%E3%81%AE%E3%81%AA%E3%81%8F%E9%A0%83%E3%81%AB
>Rondo of the Witch and Reasoning: 32,729 sales
>Nocturne of Truth and Illusions: 12,615 sales
Why did the sales drop so much?
Was Ryukishi drunk when he wrote this?
>>14885365
It was 2deep4them
>>14885564
>goat senpais will never notice you
>>14885564
Goat-kun is my favorite Seacat
>>14883778
maybe it's just one of the maids, cosplaying. that's what they were also based on.
haha! oh dad....
wait a minute........
also what would it be like to bang lambda
>>14886512
She'd be very lively and talkative
>>14886518tsu-n
>>14886512
>also what would it be like to bang lambda
Sweet. Figuratively and literally.
what did she mean by this jp?
>>14885365
I don't know, but I wish Nocturne wasn't so hard to find now. It came out at a pretty bad time for me.
>Beatrice's theme starts playing
>>14887135
It's fucking expensive as well, especially with shipping. Just look at this
http://www.play-asia.com/umineko-no-naku-koro-ni-san-shinjitsu-to-gensou-no-yasoukyoku/13/704dad?affiliate_id=969338
I wish Umineko and Higurashi had digital versions on the PS3, I would have bought them for sure if they did
>>14887135
>>14887198
Just torrent it, y'all.
>>14887264
But you can't display torrents on your Umineko shrine.
OH GOD I WANT A TITFUCK FROM BEATRICE
>>14887269
The nocturne covers are cool and all, but sometimes you just gotta settle with the original games.
Especially if one of those is signed by Ryukishi.
>>14887275
but her tits are fake
>>14887356
You could still tittyfuck her pads, but it probably wouldn't be as fun
>>14887356
Pretty sure Meta beatrice's tits are real at least.
>>14886757
Her old college days of drinking, smoking, fucking different guys. The usual blonde young college girl shit.
>>14886757
Last night.
Beato
Battler
The stakes
Get it?
>>14887721
Delete this, Beato is pure
>>14887787
The only person that was confirmed pure in red is Natsuhi
You can't trust anything but the red anon
In the cat box she could have been a total slut and you can't disprove it
>>14887787
Beatrice is a pure as broken down weak ass cocaine turned into crack and spread throughout the inner city.
>>14887459
The only real meta characters are Bern, Lambda, and Featherine, parmilia.
>>14887735
So battler fucked Beato and the stakes?
>>14888141
Beato fucked battler and the stakes.
>>14888425
Battler molested everyone
>>14888425
>yfw the roulette almost falls on zero
>>14888425
I just realized that Yasu actually wrote that. I guess this is what she fantasizes about
>>14888425
I can only imagine him noticing the fake tits and pretending like he didn't.
>>14888425
Would grope and grab. Don't even care how fake and gay it is.
Way to go Aki.
That was fast.
>>14888893
How the fuck does he do it?
>>14889008
It's basically a very efficient Who is Who?.
>that scene with George vs Gaap and Jessica vs Ronove in episode 4
shit's hype as fuck
>>14889227
All magic battles except the Kanon vs Goat and the Love Trials ones were hype as fuck
>>14889232
>Jessica vs Kyrie
>not hype as fuck
>>14889227
what if Jessica had won?
>>14887301
You have a signed one? Nice! how'd you get it?
>>14887938
Who the fuck is Parmilia?
And Beato was real in the fact that Featherine acknowledged her game
>>14889008
>ZUN fashion
While rereading ep 8, I realized featherine is a combined representation of battler and his author waifu since the device around her head stops memory issues which is what battler is having trouble with.
I also just now realized shannon was having issues figuring out how to make george happy when they are both men. Which is why theres a entire section dedicated to yasu.
I must be retarded.
>>14890314
>featherine is a combined representation of battler and his author waifu
I've never though about that, but I think you might be right.
I found this on the Wiki, which kind of supports it
>It is noted by Lambdadelta that, at one point, Featherine's memory device was damaged, and as a result she suffered a change in appearance and personality.
>>14890356
Well that is the witch that is the manifestation of the author writing the story which is Tohya, the memory device might symbolize when she finally found battler washed up and got info out of him so the story started to clear up even more in later iterations ending with the true diary.
Also theres so much foreshadowing shannon is a man in the early eps before its explained. I didn't think about that until later
>>14890375
In general there is a lot of foreshadowing or stuff that you only really get if you know what's going on. Way more than I would have thought.
I've actually seen someone complain about Eva's odd behavior in Ep1 after the first Twilight, but then you take in the fact that she got bribed and actaully believes the deaths are fake, it suddenly makes sense.
>>14890482
Also, I feel like battler might actually be dead since bern used it as a red truth, which means the personality of battler ceased to exist entirely in any form at the end.
But thats a stretch
>>14890542
It's probably just because he changed his name. She also says in red that Ange dies in 1998, because she changed her name to Yukari Kotobuki
>>14890589
But ange actually does in 1998 by jumping off the roof and getting sliced in half.
>>14890625
Except that didn't really happen
>>14890638
Course it did. The world of kakeras is an ever expanding one
>>14875038
>What to people who deny Shkanontrice think of episode 6's ending (pic related)?
The answer given by the Rosatrice is that the red was used to counter the red, which is the only place in the story where that occurs, to kill and deny Erika from being present on the island. Basically that the ending is a red herring to make you think that there is someone playing two characters.
Erika gives an introduction that she is an added member to the list. Battler says that even if she is included, the number would still be 17.
The ending, according to the theory, can be seen in two ways. That there are 16 people + Erika (with one person being two). Or that there is no Erika added in the game, making it 17 + no Erika. If Erika were ever to come on the island, she would be dead on arrival. The point of this is that Tohya let the mystery fans add an extra person on the island so that they can get more clues. After the failure of ep 5, the mystery fans decided to just fuck around and cause chaos, which resulted in the logic error. After Tohya got out of the logic error, Battler states in red that even if she would go on the island, the number would not change. This is used rather well in general, since it denies the mystery fan of an extra player. There are only the characters that were on the island at the time and no one else will be permitted. This is why they had to create Black Battler. They couldn't add another character, so they just changed one character's personality.
This is actually a better answer to the whole 16 + Erika answer since it does involve the plot and what happened outside the meta. The 16 +1 is used to help create the illusion of Shkannon but doesn't explain how it destroys Erika. The Rosatrice answer of 17+0 is an adequate explanation for how Battler and Beatrice killed Erika in ep 6.
Even if you think that Rosatrice is a bad theory, this alternate explanation for the ending of ep 6 is rather good and well thought out.
>>14890844
So, Rosatrice say that the red "There are only 17 people [on Rokkenjima]" was referring to after Erika was killed with that red? That it *was* 18, but after Erika was killed it turned to 17? I just want to know if I'm understanding this correctly.
>>14890844
What's the Rosatrice explanation for the phone stuff in Episode 5? Does Yasu and Shannon still count as separate "people" in that theory?
>>14890867
>That it *was* 18, but after Erika was killed it turned to 17?
Ehhh, no.
The total number of people on the island is 18 at the beginning of ep 1. However, with Kinzo dead, as stated in red in ep 4, that makes 17. If there is someone playing two people, that makes 16.
The ' ''There are only 17 people [on Rokkenjima]" was referring to after Erika was killed with that red?''referes to 17 people on the island plus a dead Erika. 17+ 0 = 17.
The Rosatrice theory proposes that Erika was never added to that number. She was dead on arrival and dead people do not count as people. This is why Kinzo does not count as a person on the island, because he's already dead. The same thing is applied with Erika.
I hope I've correctly explained to your satisfaction.
>>14890886
Two answers. First answer is that it's a tape recording. Unsatisfying but completely plausible. Second answer is that it's someone using another name (calling themselves the baby or whatever). Erika rightfully counters it by saying that it's simply someone using another name and that there is only one person with the power to do so. However, it is never stated in red, she only states it in blue, and as such, it doesn't limit the people who could call themselves other names. Rightfully, servants are the only people who have different names but because it is not stated that only servants can change their name, it leaves the window open to anyone to use the same trick. I personally think that Natsuhi telling only Shannon what her favorite season is is a too obvious red herring.
In the Rosatrice theory, Yasu simply doesn't exist at all. Shannon and Kanon are separate people. Personally, with that theory, it makes ep 2 much more funny. Kanon was walking around one night in the garden, thinking about Jessica, when some weird lady comes to her, talks about love, then mysterious vanishes out of nowhere. (pic related, people think it means Kanon was having some delusion or some shit, but the manga states that there is no personality disorder, only one person playing different roles).
As for >>14875806
>I wonder what he thinks of the manga. Is there any possible way to still twist this into the Rosatrice theory?
The answer is easily that it cannot be trusted at all. It was not seen by a detective and should be absolutely taken with a grain of salt. Funny enough, something that isn't mentioned in that 8 hour video, is Rosa's confession in ep 7. Isn't it ironic that Rosa's confession is actually included in ep 7 and is completely dismissed and ignored by Will who just blurs ''meh, I've already heard this before''? If Rosa is actually the real culprit, she did in fact confess in ep 7 along with Yasu.
Another point to bring up is in ep 7, Yasu talks to Kurasawa about how great And Then There Were None was but has a flaw. Namely the ending. If the ending were removed, it would be a masterpiece. I've read a few second hand detective theory novels that mention this point as well, that diehard agatha consider it a masterpiece but would have been perfect without the ending. With the story ending with the suicide at the end. It could be argued that Umineko does the same but rather than leave it open ended in that way, it creates a red herring with a false culprit.
Interestingly, there's a book called Pierre Bayard's Who Killed Roger Ackroyd which explores the fact that Poirot got the wrong culprit, although I find the book's logic faulty, it does bring a point that a detective and reader could be tricked into finding the wrong culprit.
>>14890946
What about Nanjo's death in Episode 3? Is that possible to explain without Yasu?
>>14890946
>Rightfully, servants are the only people who have different names but because it is not stated that only servants can change their name, it leaves the window open to anyone to use the same trick
The problem I have with this is that it's stated multiple times that "Knox's 8th: It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented". There are never any hints that other characters than Shannon and Kanon has multiple names
>>14890946
>I find the book's logic faulty, it does bring a point that a detective and reader could be tricked into finding the wrong culprit.
To expand on that point, it's also something Ryukishi07 wrote about concerning anti-mystery and anti-fantasy and is reflected equally in Higurashi. If all the evidence is presented and the story points to a culprit and then, in a later sequel, it's revealed with the same presented evidence, but with added light, that the culprit is really someone else, what does it mean? Ryukishi07 dubs this the anti-mystery.
A good example is Shion and Mion. In ep 2 of Higurashi, Mion is clearly shown to be the culprit and even confesses that she is the culprit. But what if ep 5 were never released? By that point, the reader assumes that Mion is clearly the culprit when she is innocent. This is an equal point of whether or not Eva killed anyone other than Natsuhi and Krauss, as the Rosatrice theory states, or whether she killed everyone afterwards. Same thing with Yasu and with Kyrie. I still personally think that Ryukishi07 purposefully made Kyrie the 'true' culprit and left it as that. The anti-mystery like with Mion in Higurashi, but without a follow up.
>>14890973
Absolutely. There are two possible candidates other than Yasu who could have done. Namely, the person who killed Nanjo was Kyrie or George.
The Rosatrice theory explains that Rosa gave Shannon poison rather than sleeping pills. George tried to revive Shannon but couldn't. Nanjo came to see George and was attacked by him after he found out that she wouldn't wake up. He shot him but didn't kill him. When people found George's body, Battler never actually saw George's body nor confirmed his death. It is plausible that George was still alive, got up near the end of the day, found Nanjo and killed him. Rosatrice gives the explanation that the reason why the bank number was added in ep 3 but not in ep 5 was basically because George knew the number and was dying. I personally also don't know why Yasu would add the bank number on the wall in ep 3 but not ep 5.
The second culprit, Kyrie, could have been the one who killed everyone and survived being killed by Eva after she shot Hideoyoshi. As this also applies to both George and Kyrie, the red at the end, stating everyone died, does not give the time of death, only the confirmation. The weasel out of this red is simply that someone declared dead by the rdd killed before being declared dead. The only candidates is simply George and Kyrie.
Another fact that I should bring up, which is always contested, is that Yasu, stated by the red, could not have killed Nanjo in ep 3. The rules state that if someone finds the gold, the murders done by Beatrice would end. If someone else kills, then there's nothing Beatrice can do. This is stated in red by meta-Beatrice, the accumulation of all Beatrice in the story, including Yasu. So Yasu, does not have to be omniscient to know if someone finds the gold. The red just makes it so. There isn't a second clause in the letter that Beatrice gives, that the person who finds the gold *must* tell everyone to stop the murders, only to find the gold and that the murders stop. It also begs the question as to what Yasu was doing when everyone was in the guest house. Why wasn't keeping an eye on the only building where everyone was holding up? The endless answer is that ''huuurrrr she's not omnicient, she can't be everywhere at once'' which ignores the obvious fact that EVERYONE was in one location, so Yasu doesn't have to be everywhere to notice two adults leaving the building.
Yasu killed Nanjo also isn't comprehended by anyone as well. Why did Yasu kill Nanjo? Some people claim that Yasu just did it because of some grudge, some say it's because, hey, it's the end, why not kill and just stay with Jessica? But it lacks a coherent motive.
However, in ep 8 of the manga, there's a flashback kakera image that shows Yasu being the one that kills Nanjo. Even if the manga shows this, it does not confirm that Yasu killed Nanjo, nor does it refute the red that Yasu should not have killed once the gold was found.
>>14891000
I actually agree. It's possibly the only flaw I can think of concerning this. On that fact alone, only Shannon and Kanon could be the culprits but in ep 3, Battler also mentions that Jessica could have done it with multiple personality or a different name or whatever, which isn't denied by Eva-Beatrice.
>>14891036
I can't stress this point enough. Magic is created by establishing rules and creating mystery so that it seems unexplained. Destroying those rules destroys trust.
I always see many people saying that the Rosatrice theory adheres too much on the notion that the author cannot be trusted, which I don't agree since it just puts grains of skepticism, even if it is a valid criticism of the theory, but it is worth noting that people are very willing to throw the trust concerning Beatrice and her promise that she will stop the murders if the gold is found.
>>14891036
I don't think Yasu knew that Eva solved it, since she never said anything about it to anyone. It's stated in Episode 7 that Eva and Hideyoshi were accomplices in Episode 3, so Yasu probably just though Eva kept helping her with the ritual, so she had no reason to stop killing
>>14891062
It's also a devil's proof that Yasu knew that Eva solved the Epitaph and found the gold, along with Rosa. The problem I have is that Yasu should have seen both Rosa and Eva leave the guest house. Where was Yasu the whole time? The answer given is always ''huurr she's not omniscient, she obviously didn't know Eva solved it'' but there is no proof that Yasu didn't know, and it can be argued that Yasu could have perfectly seen Eva and Rosa since everyone was in a single small building. How can you not see two adults leave the one place everyone is hold up?
Noticeably, Yasu does not kill anyone after the first twilight except for Nanjo. She even doesn't kill him and locks him in a closed room.
Something that the Rosatrice theory notes is that all the murders done by Beatrice are done in a closed room while every other murder done by a second culprit (either George, Eva or Kyrie) is always done in the open.
Yasu did not kill Nanjo for the ritual. She basically killed him for no reason. Being an accomplice doesn't really change that fact.
>>14891062
I also find it interesting how Rosa immediately gives shit to Eva about not following the rules. Red herring, as Ryukishi07 states but it's still funny.
>>14891088
>Noticeably, Yasu does not kill anyone after the first twilight except for Nanjo
Because Eva had the stakes? I least I assume so, since she pierced Natsuhi and Krauss
>>14891120
I always find it interesting that the manga shows Eva strangling Natsuhi and Krauss.
Something that is obvious is that Eva was the one serving tea in ep 3, which Natsuhi and Krauss both took. A mutable blade could easily be refering to poison but funny enough, it shows Eva strangling Krauss with rope.
I don't agree with you that Eva had the Stakes. Did Yasu just give her the bag of Stakes? Why? The Rosatrice theory has the explanation that Eva poisoned Krauss and Natsuhi because their family was the only family that had no one murdered, so Eva killed him because they were the likely suspects. And that it was Nanjo who made it seem as a suicide.
There is always the possibility that Yasu (just like Nanjo) added the Stakes to the body after finding both dead.
There is no actual proof to know which method was used to murder Krauss and Natsuhi. Was it done by only strangulation like that images suggest or was poison enough?
>>14891132
The VN says that Krauss and Natsuhi had rope marks on their necks
>>14891141
And were found hanging in the arbor iirc.
Rope marks doesn't rule out poison, it simply puts emphasis on strangulation.
>>14891152
No, they were laying on the ground, like the top of the page shows
>>14891161
I might be forgetting something or confusing a murder with another one.
>>14891132
>Was it done by only strangulation like that images suggest or was poison enough?
I think it was both. It's pretty unlikely that Eva would be able to strangle a big man like Krauss, so I think she used poison to knock them out, and then used the rope to make sure they were dead
Do people hate Chiester 410 in the CROSS fighting game online? Just wonder cuz she's a zoner/keep away and people tend to hate zoners/keep away characters in fighting games.
In short, I want to main her and piss people off with her.
>>14890314
>>14890356
>>14890375
>>14890482
That is neat as fuck! Go Ryukishi!!!
>>14890482
There's nothing odd about Eva's behavior. People will make up any possible fact and evidence to confirm theories that they have already accepted as truth.
The furthest someone has complained about Eva's behavior was when she explained to Battler that she wasn't the culprit because it was too obvious that she could be the culprit and her weird mention that the deaths in the first twilight looked like makeup.
Pixiv is yielding me some weird results. I was originally going to post these two pics of a giantess Bern and Lambda but due to something off about Bern's dress my autism made me close both tabs.
I just finished E7 and E8
I used to hate Eva but now I fucking hate Kyrie and Ange.
>>14891000
Wouldn't this rule make the trick used in ch2 George, Gohda and Shannon's death illegal? Or do you count the references to ten little niggers as a clue?
>>14891440
Might as well play virgillia then.
>>14891632
>Hating Ange
Why? She was a traumatized six year old who Eva didn't tell shit about, and Eva wasn't exactly nice to her about it either. Ange's reactions were extreme and pessimistic but understandable in her situation.
>>14891740
Daily Reminder that Eva actually tried to get on well with Ange at first, but due to a certain witch telling Ange to never smile at Eva no matter how well she treated Ange, it eventually led to that situation on Eva's deathbed.
Obviously that's no excuse for Eva, as she was still an unjustifiable bitch in the end, but it should be noted.
>>14891482
>Giantess Bern and Lambda
Dude, when you can casually throw big bangs around, nobody cares about your size. Any boost in power you gain by being 200 meters tall is offsetted by the fact that you can still destroy that planet but with a thought.
>>14891812
>but due to a certain witch telling Ange to never smile at Eva
Which is a euphemism for 6year old ange watching TV and being influenced by the Eva culprit theories that were going around.
>>14891440
I learned that Shannon is way better at pissing people off.
Especially if you go full Shannon/Shannon team.
>>14891672
I guess it kind of depends what you count as a clue, but it says that she's in front of the cabinet, which would make the trick possible, and also that the stake is next to her, instead of actually piercing her head
Wait, does this mean that Rosa was 19 all along? What a shocking twist. No wonder she had such pretty skin
>>14891812
Yeah, I'm aware, I don't think Eva is the devil or anything (especially with how traumatized she was and how the public was all over her,) I just think it's weird when some people try to shift the blame entirely on Ange when she was a literal child and didn't know any better. There's really no excuse to abuse and mock a child no matter how terribly they treat you when you're the adult in the situation and are supposed to know better.
That said, the scenes in EP8 with Ange and Eva are cute as fuck. If only they had gotten close in less fucked up circumstances.
>>14891849
>Bernkastel isn't a cat but a TV instead
It all makes sense now.
>>14892422
It was even foreshadowed all the way back in Episode 1
>>14892438
>R07's message wasn't something about truth
>it was about how TV is bad for you, and you should spend that time reading Higurashi
Everything was a red herring.
>George meta super spam
why is this allowed?
>>14891685
Lol I can imagine she's worse since you can play mind games with her spear traps and zoning.
>>14891876
Because of her defensive options I'm assuming, right?
>>14892795
Because you're a scrub that probably allowed it to happen because you have shit reads.
Would you a:
Bern.
Beato.
Ange.
Shannon.
Lambda.
?
>>14892898
If you keep fucking with people using well-timed shields and barriers while keeping up a constant auto-guard because lol2shannon, sooner or later your friends are going to ban you from playing Shannon or stop playing you entirely.
At least, that's how it goes for me.
>>14892953
Yes, no, depends, no, yes.
>>14892953
Would what? You don't even specify I can't properly decide what to say.
Please don't confuse me.
>>14893052
WOULD YOU A BEATO?
>>14893138
>whenuseeit
>>14893046
Lol I love it when people try to ban me from using a character in amy fighters, may it be online lobbies or IRL. I aint gonna stop playing a character just because they don't know how to counter or punish a playstyle.
Do you friends not know how to grab a auto guard Shanon? I'm pretty sure grabs and grappler beats blocking.
>>14892953
I want to fuck Shannon so badly. I don't care if she's a guy, she's just too cute
