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>>14875299
What springs should I buy?
Reposting since last thread 404'd
>Is it better to practice with random on or random off? I've been stuck trying to get passed 9's into 10's.
>learning in general
Random off.
>I can't read certain chords that aren't 1357 or 246
or
>I can't do X-Y trills at all but I'm fine with Y-Z trills
or
>I can do certain streams but some streams feel random to me and I can't keep up
Random on to practice.
Random is also good to try if you want to improve scores on a song you've already passed normally.
>>14876784
How do I get a psun invite?
>>14876880
mayumi method
>>14876801
50g
>>14876946
That's too light.
>>14876801
You probably don't need to buy separate springs anyway. The ones in the buttons are probably fine unless they're 200g+.
>>14876856
>Is it better to practice with random on or random off?
Random on. Always.
>>14876880
Thank you for playing
>>14876801
with 50g switches most people recommend 60g or 100g springs
daos come with 40g springs
>>14876880
You don't, it's dead senpai.
You can't expect to get one from sows either, Psun and Pigs were never related in any way.
>>14877054
I though 50/50 was the way to go?
random is cheating
>>14877058
It depends. 50/100 is how most the AC are equipped with, but after some time the springs will eventually lose their resistance so they'll essentially become 50/50.Sorry about the non-relevant image, board software doesn't let me post anything without any images attached. pls fix, hiroyuki.
Can someone explain to me what music game hell is?
>>14877263
A Facebook page about dumb music game jokes.
How obvious can it get?
>>14877199
Post a smaller image?
aegis a cute
Is there anywhere I can download a remi-s version forosu mania?
>>14877409
I want godspeed
Which block has the best music?
>1st to 9th style
>10th style to dj troopers
>empress to present
>>14877056
Keep telling yourself that.
They maintained that they were separate just in case of legal issues but you can't seriously believe psun/world and sows weren't related.
stop and >>>/v/
>>14879258
Stop donk and roll
>>14879191
I love a lot of 1-9s music but 10-dj troopers has most of my favorites
>>14879191
Empress-present has all the denpa so it's clearly the best
>>14879893
kill yourself faggot.
>>14879893
this
Is there anyway someone outside of sows can get a IIDX HDD?
>>14880573
i found tricoro on my own in december 2013, a year before joining sows
spada leaks were also plastered all over these threads a while back
>>14880573
also, nice 573
>>14880573
Yes, but I would recommend you still joined sows in order to get access to information and stuff.
>>14880573
Yes, there's plenty of leaks for everything at least up to spada.
You'll have to find them yourself, as they're not supposed to be outside of sows.
Again, once you have the data you're going to need a PCBID anyway, or run ealocalserver, but this disables saving scores.
>>14880587
Been looking for a while, found an old tricoro pastebin but I heard it didn't work. Haven't seen anything about spada.
>>14880598
Honestly at this point I'll take anything to get some decent practice. My only arcade is like 2 hours away and LR2 is seeming to cause more harm than good.
>>14880608
LR2 should not cause more harm than good if you're playing on a controller.
It helps with reading quite a bit, although timing is a bit looser and I don't think there's a way to tighten it up.
tl;dr get into sows it's not even hard lurk moar
Oh, also, there's no leaks of omnimix, as far as anybody knows, so you really should get in.
>>14880615
Well it is helping with reading, but timing is so much rougher on actual IIDX.
>>14880605
You could even get pendual if you search more. Hint: I can't post it because if I did, it would be detected as spam.
>>14880615
>there's no leaks of omnimix, as far as anybody knows
I know I got it from a leak.
>>14880643
Well I don't know anything then.
Also, protip, if you get a leak, you can seed it when/if you get into sows for ez ratio, so you can actually download AC data later.
>>14880647
Thanks for the tip.
>>14880629
set each chart's rank setting to normal and lr2's jgreat window is only 1ms bigger on each end
or you can set them to hard and have it 1ms smaller than iidx on each end
Do non-combo breaking Poors count against you?
Sometime I dick around a little too much at the start of a song and get one.
>>14880734
The mechanics behind Bad/Poor needs to be explained in detail.
Does anyone know what the actual timings for Bad, "MashPoor" and Poor are in LR2 and/or IIDX? Does Bad and Poor always break the combo and mashing doesn't?
>>14880795
Mash poors decrease your lifebar and count as misses for your misscount, but don't break combo. Regular poors and bads decrease the lifebar more and do break combo.
>>14880734
Excess POORs do nothing other than increase your miss count and decrease the groove gauge. You can get still get MAX FC with excess POORs.
>>14880795
I don't have the frame numbers on hand, but how BADs work should be straightforward. In IIDX, there is an excess POOR window both before and after notes. In LR2, the excess POOR window only exists before notes, though it is much larger than the IIDX one.
Are there any grips I can buy for my KOC turntable? I heard there were official ones released years ago but I can't find any info on it.
>>14881218
just use tape or something
Have a wallpaper you nice people.
>>14881332
>atcha atcha atcha atcha atcha atcha atcha atcha
>>14881218
>>14881226
specifically skateboard tape
>>14881432
>>14881218
Just use duct tape
>>14881434
that looks like sandpaper
>>14881559
surely duct tape is too glossy to have much grip?
>>14881218
DAO sells grips that fit FPSs and KOCs. Kinda pricey though.
>>14881885
With the wax paper mod it does the job well enough
>>14881899
>>14881218
There is also this. http://shop.flipflop-jp.com/?pid=62937769
reminder that prim is nailable
>>14881885
it basically is sandpaper with an adhesive back
after you use it for a while it just turns into a grippy surface for cheap
>>14881432
That chart is so dumb, first it's easy, then comes the buttfuck atcha atcha part and then the ending gives just enough time to fill the gauge unless you fuck up that one trill
>>14882207
and available
>>14881930
theres the problem. my KOC is fucked up (super tight stripped screw) and the turntable assembly won't come apart, so I can't wax paper mod if I wanted to
Is there more benefits to "analog" turntable input versus non-analog other than smoother scrolling in song selection screen?
Also has anyone tried the new DAO firmware which adds 1000Hz support?
>>14883177
i tried it and didn't feel any difference from just forcing it to 1000hz, and the song list wouldn't scroll faster when i spun the turntable faster, and waiting .3 sec to change difficulties because of the new shit with the select button was annoying
so i reflashed an older firmware
did 0133 quit osu?
>>14884368
Who cares?
Does anyone here live in socal that can point to someone selling a good metal dance pad? All I've found here in oc are those tournament pads I saw to stay away from
I want nothing to do with those omega pads and I've had NO luck finding cfs or bluesharks at all or for a reasonable price
>>14879114
http://www.mediafire.com/?2xhxh8wkx5si541
>>14884634
build your own
>>14876856
>Random is also good to try if you want to improve scores on a song you've already passed normally.
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>>14877366
>no file
how is one supposed to even get an invite to sows? it's not like i know anyone who plays rhythm games...
>>14885686
sows fb + cindy fanart
>>14885686
>enter irc
>lurk
>send cindy fanart
>???
>PROFIT!
alternatively
>cum on mayumi
>post here with email
>???
>PROFIT!
>average bemani user
>>14886474
why post this relatively normal looking guy and not someone like eliot or vixel
>>14884988
How do you build your own
Have a solid source? I can't find any videos or anything that's similar to arcade
>>14886525
http://www.wubros.com/DDRPad/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aE88SHLHwU
>>14886474
bemanihyper is my favorite shitposter
>>14886474
i, too, enjoy using bemani regularly.
>>14886618
I once used almost a quarter of an ounce of Bemani in a single night.
>>14886556
Thanks for the links
Went through them and ill be honest this looks like itll be complicated for me to be able to do. If it comes to down to it however ill end up building my own if i cant find a pad
Thanks again
>>14886474
>>14886474
>average dance evolution players
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhoIh8Y_P6A
>>14887635
tumblr: not even once
mendes black as the final song in a kac when
IIDX makes my hands hurt
>>14890178
IIDX makes my arms hurt
At what point can I stop considering myself a casual at IIDX?
>>14890343
When you clear 8th dan.
>>14890343
When you one hand v another on 10th style timing
Alternatively pass cs red gambol another
>>14890525
>pass cs red gambol another
h-hard clear counts right?
>>14890343
Around the 9s and 10s area I'd say, especially when you can regularly get AAs there
>>14890338
IIDX makes my soul hurt.
I've been playing 8s and 9s now but just barely passing the 9s, should I just practice 6s until I can AA them?
>>14891345
What i did was do a level above what i was aiming for.
So i played 10s to start clearing 9s.
tfw aubreys been gone for 6 months
>>14891522
Good, he's fucking awful
http://horikawa-osaka.seesaa.net
>>14891345
no, keep playing 9s. honing your skills on lower songs is certainly important but not the real key to getting better at the level you are at. I would only recommend doing what >>14891361 says when you start to exit that level (aka hit 9.7s and similar)
feelio when you can feel your fat jiggles when scratching museca turntables
>>14891743
anon you sound cute I bet you give good hugs
>>14884634
Hey I know it's outside of SoCal but Vegas isn't terribly far. I hear good things about this company.
http://www.precisiondancepads.com/index.php
How do I create a PCBID and which SDVX ac data is the "best" in terms of stability and playability? I just assume some ac's are more finicky than others.
I'm nearing the ability to finally download these god damn things.
>>14892209
there are literally threads for this. use the search function.
>>14892209
You need a psun account to create a PCBID.
if someone's waiting behind you in the arcade are you supposed to let them play when your credit runs up or do you just get off when you're done?
>>14893349
Those are both the same thing.
And if you somehow put more than 1 game worth of credit into the machine then you're a dumbass.
>>14891916
those are complete shit.
they're literally foam pads with wire and tape inside them.
>>14891345
no
clear harder shit.
timing doesn't mean dick if you can't get to 12s ever.
Can BPM be used as a measure of song's difficulty? Say I'm stuck at a wall. Is it a good way to go by practicing a level lower at high BPM and lower BPM at higher level?
Depending on the day I'm often finding it difficult to practice higher level songs, yet lower ones are mostly too easy except few high BPM songs.
It's generally fine to play through different higher level songs, but depending on the song it's often a mash-fest. So, I'm trying to figure out a better practice setup where I'd be working towards improvement rather than either mashing songs (wasting time) or playing too easy ones (also wasting time).
It's difficult to keep going for long sessions, because it always tends to fall into one or the other extreme - too easy or too hard
Thanks
>>14892209
You can also ask for a PCBID in that one thread.
(PCBID day v2, I think?)
Look at the SDVX - II thread, that will have the link to the most recent one.
It's honestly not that hard.
>>14893410
>Can BPM be used as a measure of song's difficulty?
No. But it's possible for a person to be bad at hitting 16ths at 200 BPM while being good at hitting 16th chords at 100 BPM that have the same note density, or vice versa.
>Say I'm stuck at a wall. Is it a good way to go by practicing a level lower at high BPM and lower BPM at higher level?
It's good to practice whatever it is you're bad at.
>So, I'm trying to figure out a better practice setup where I'd be working towards improvement rather than either mashing songs (wasting time) or playing too easy ones (also wasting time).
I personally find it best to alternate. Work on hard songs to push yourself further, but always make sure to clean up and solidify your technique on easier songs every once in a while.
I firmly believe that variety (including using Random in IIDX) is the key to getting better.
What stand should I get for my popn controller
i bet bemanigirl is crazy in bed
>>14894155
>i bet bemanigirl is crazy
>>14894155
i want to hatefuck bemani "girl's" tight boypuci
>>14893857
>It's good to practice whatever it is you're bad at.
Completely agreed. However, well, mashing through something you're really bad at probably won't help too much or you could get the same results practicing something easier with similar patterns
>I personally find it best to alternate. Work on hard songs to push yourself further, but always make sure to clean up and solidify your technique on easier songs every once in a while.
Again, totally agree. Usually I go through harder songs for few first hours and then slightly easier songs, but still above my skill level for another few hours. Then a break, rinse and repeat (albeit a shorter session). Leaving pure timing practice as the last thing to do, because while it's important, it won't help too much if I can't comprehend charts comfortably and consistently
Random comes off very rarely (nothing too specific to work on just yet)
Well, thanks for your reply. It always helps when somebody can verify thoughts. Being stuck at a wall I tend to start doubting whether my approach is the best way to go. Thinking whether I should just grind hard shit mashing as hard as I can or take more reasonable steps, etc.
I've logged almost all my sessions and there isn't too big of a difference seen in progression between approaches. However, some are definitely much more stressful than others. Trying to find and stick to something reasonable what works to avoid burning out. Practicing for several hours daily with a poor, stressful approach quickly burn me out
>>14894275
>Usually I go through harder songs for few first hours and then slightly easier songs, but still above my skill level for another few hours.
>but still above my skill level
That doesn't sound very fun.
>>14894495
iidx is pain and suffering
>>14894203
How do you know she's a he?
>>14894495
>That doesn't sound very fun.
A real-time dance music game
hard and extreme.
That's beat mania II DX!!
It's too cool!
>>14894495
It depends. If you're looking for fun every session then yes, this probably isn't fun (even though I get a lot of enjoyment out of successful session). I'm not particularly interested in short time gains. It's fun for me knowing I keep progressing as long as I do my part. Plus the act of learning itself. To each their own
I'm stuck at levels 6-7 at iidx and level 13 at DDR. What do you do to improve?
>>14894673
You keep playing.
>>14894730
How long?
>>14894780
until you get goodand then you play some more
>>14893436
>It's honestly not that hard.
Good to hear, cause it kinda looks like it is.
>>14894797
If you're stuck or anything, check the wiki, then search the forums.
Posting on forums should be a last resort.
As long as you have some tech experience, you should be mostly fine.
>>14894780
Took me ~6 months to start passing 11s.
This might sound silly, but after like 6 months of playing, I still don't really know How to approach scratching charge notes.
I quickly learned you don't just scratch frantically back and fourth. What I do is rotate the TT one direction for the entirety of the note and at the very end, scratch the other direction like a regular scratch.
I still seem to always drop my combo doing this though. Not sure what exactly to do.
>>14895923
scratching the same direction until the end at which point you scratch the other direction is the way you are supposed to hit them. as far as breaking combo, charge notes are hard. just keep at it
>>14894797
what is hard is fixing an error without people telling you to read the fucking thread.
>keyboard rhythm games
>>14896299
>keyboardmania
>>14896299
>>14896316
What are these posts even implying?
Are you seriously saying that playing piano has nothing to do with rhythm? Cause that's fucking wrong.
Trying to make me mad like this.
>>14897241
Keyboard = keyboard used for typing.
Keyboard = piano like keyboard.
Nobody knows what was implied there.
Three >700k passes in a row, plus one for Fascination MAXX Expert. Feels really fucking good after a full week of workout. Gotta get back to grinding those sub16 FCs now.
>>14897689
>expert
>>14897689
It must be pretty gross to witness you mash the shit out of everything.
>>14896299
>music rhythm game
>>14899288
>hard and fat
>>14896299
>rhythm games
>not playing real instruments
>tfw just played a session for 3 hours where i didn't pass a single song
i'll get better eventually, r-right guys
>>14899907
what level can you pass and what level were you playing
>>14899370
>>14900080
good luck doing jacks on spongy midi keys
where do these idiots come from
So at this point, I can safety say all the 10s I cannot pass are mislabeled 11s.
Why are the Japanese so bad at rating things?
What are some decent rhythm games on PC/Android/Consoles?
I've played Project Diva, DJMAX, Superbeat XONIC, IA/VT, OSU!, Cytus and Deemo. Just trying to find something new/different to look at
>>14900204
ac data
jubeat
apparently amplitude is good
>>14900217
I forgot amplitude came out, kind of wish it was on the vita though. Guess I could always remote play it
Jubeat looks good but It's saying its incompatible with my devices sadly. AC data is ungoogleable can you give me a link?
>>14900230
>AC data is ungoogleable can you give me a link?
so.ws :^)
>>14900230
Yes.
>>14900105
they aren't you're just bad
>>14900391
Nah, game's shit.
how do i determine whether getting too many slows is caused by a wrong offset or a too low green number
>>14900612
change both and figure it out
Play with double green number. Your offset should be synchronized with when you think the note hits the red line, regardless of speed.
>>14900629
not that guy but changing your green number often affects your perception of where the red line is, although you should be using lift/hidden to modify that
>>14900647
>changing your green number often affects your perception of where the red line is
If that's the case, then you're already used to a shitty offset. You should still try to find an offset that feels correct at different speeds.
>>14900230
>AC data is ungoogleable can you give me a link?
pendual.com/download
here you go buddy :)
>>14900204
Taiko no tatsujin
Happy dance collection
Beatmania
DDR
Rhythm tengoku
>>14901105
Also forgot Dynamix.
>>14901105
deemo and cytus too
>>14901134
He already played these.
>tfw struggling with premiere to make a video for this shitty old spice bemani mashup is more difficult that playing the actual games
send help
>>14904000
press f1
>>14904006
i already did the tutorials are lame as shit
it's just time consuming as shit to sync a few hundred video clips to music without turning gay for terry crews
>>14904009
What song are you doing?
>>14904196
Marry Me, Nightmare.
It's technically Groove Coaster and not Bemani but whatever
Does /jp/ play osu? I'm feeling pretty lonely because I kinda suck
>>14904425
Yes we all play osu
>>14904425
No nobody play osu
>>14904425
/jp/ loves osu
>>14904425
jp hates osu
>>14904425
osu is pretty fun desu
Why are there no hentai rhythm games?
>>14904730
someone post that rhythm heaven flash
you know the one
>>14904863
https://e621.net/post/show/229158
>>14904943
oh my...
>>14904425
i play it when i'm extremely bored, since my Bemani PC is still not running.
>Ryu's hardcore syndrome songs will never be in bemani
it hurts
>>14905486
>Piano Ninja will probably be the only Maras K song in bemani
it hurts
>>14904196
>>14904243
I fucking finished it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNt4SoljALc
Enjoy the fruits of my autism.
>>14905674
disliked :)
So I seem to have inadvertently fucked something up in LR2 and now all my folders have both the bms for singles and doubles.
This scared the fuck out of me at first because I thought I deleted all my scores.
How do I fix this?
>>14905674
gosh dang
>>14905699
Did you mean you hit the dis I like button xD
>>14905717
There should be text somewhere on the songwheel that says 5-key, 7-key, All, etc. just click it until it says only 7k.
>>14905812
Thanks. I feel silly now.
>>14905699
that's okay i'm fine with it i just needed to showcase my autism anyway
>>14905486
>Kobaryo's hardcore syndrome songs will never be in bemani
>>14906801
How long did that take to do?
I've always assumed those types of videos take 100+ hours to do.
How many people here play groove coaster?
>>14907259
About two days, apparently I created the project file on the 9th.
>>14908404
Only when I have access to it, which is almost never. Fun game though.
>>14909606
What game was in that video? I've never seen that before. Was it even Bemani?
>>14909606
The mobile version is just as fun.
>>14909641
Groove Coaster
It's on ios (and arcade)
>>14909659
Don't have an apple device.
>>14909758
Playable on android too.
>>14909780
Shit phone, can't run it.
Although I'll certainly install it when/if I ever do get a newer phone.
For now I'll stick to IIDX.
>>14909809
Definitely try it at some point, it's really simple but fun, just tap, hold and slide.
>>14910488
> it's really simple
No. Visuals are fucked up to compensate for easy control, so the load goes on the visual perception instead of hands movement.
>>14910661
It's still pretty easy for the most part. Fun though.
>>14910661
>so the load goes on the visual perception instead of hands movement.
then why is it everytime i'm at the arcade i see someone playing it literally with their back facing the screen
>>14910754
Because it's easier to memorize something than spend effort sightreading a game with annoying visuals, a la SDVX.
Which console are better for taiko play with a drums?
How long until the next freeleech? I missed valentine's day and tokens don't buy the good stuff.
How in the bloody fuck are you supposed to undo the bolts holding the keys in an ASC? I got Sanwas and I cannot for the life of me get the old keys out.
>>14911080
Just turn them like the cap on a bottle?
I can unscrew them by hand with no issues.
>>14911133
In my Popn and SDVX ones they turned fine, but in my IIDX they're so tight I couldn't even get them off with a wrench
>>14910805
wii
>>14911279
Thank you
I believe I am not exaggerating when I say becoming a master at IIDX is literally the hardest thing a human being could do. Of course by master I mean 95%+ EXHCing 12s consistently.
Harder than climbing Mt. Everest
Harder than winning a gold medal at the Olympics
Harder than starting a billion dollar company
Harder than raising children
Harder than mastering any instrument
I believe its even harder than any combined group effort.
It is perhaps even harder than the success of the Apollo space program.
And even perhaps harder than winning WWII
The people doing this shit on Youtube are literal gods walking among us.
theres no jcore thread up but is anyone hitting up JACK LA
Check those beautiful digits.
Didn't screenshot but managed to pass Pandemonium C from ITG with surprising ease. Workout sessions are really paying off. Summer C and VerTex^2 C are the last two left.
The newest Pendual I can find is the 08:05 one, is that the newest one available?
>>14912139
ask sows
>>14912139
Yes. There is no newer version for pendual.
To all the cucks stuck on the IIDX 10 wall: Don't give up. I hit the wall 6-7months ago and made barely any progress since then. But then I woke up on a morning and many charts that used to be overwhelming felt easy, and I'm now making fast progress. I revisit tracks that I haven't played in 2 weeks and shit on rivals scores, beat my high scores by 100-200 ex points and pass many 10s that I kept failing, feels incredibly good
>>14911426
Are you the same guy who talked about IIDX being a good analogy for life in Japan?
How do i into rhythm games on PC or android?! I wish there was some kind of a guide.
>>14913381
PC- Lunatic Rave 2, Stepmania
Android- Cytus, Deemo, Groove Coaster 2
>>14913381
Have half a brain at the least. There are shitloads of rhythm games on any platform. Just play things until you find something you like.
>>14913483
>There are shitloads of rhythm games on any platform
I don`t want to go through shitty ones, thats why i rely on opinions of experts here. Dont be a douche.
>>14913478
Thank you anon.
>>14913525
i downloaded groove coaster 2 today, bought the t+paz pack, no regrets
>>14913542
Ill give it a try! Already played Cytus and Deemo.
>>14913525
Form your own opinions faggot. This general is a bemani game circlejerk and if you're not playing IIDX you're not playing a proper rhythm game.
Touchscreen rhythm games are generally frowned upon here too.
You won't enjoy games if you just buy into culture opinions. Find something fun.
>>14913921
>touchscreen rhythm games are generally frowned upon here too
no they're not you fucktard
>>14913951
they are in sows
>>14913951
How do you know. I frown upon them.
>>14913542
also is there a groove coaster crack somewhere? i'm jewish a f
>>14914055
There is a save on sows or root and lucky patcher the shit out of it.
>>14913978
They wouldn't have threads specifically for Jubeat Plus and Reflec Beat if they did.
>>14912712
>But then I woke up on a morning and many charts that used to be overwhelming felt easy, and I'm now making fast progress.
what the fuck is this phenomenon? this shit has happened to me in every single rhythm game i've played, get stuck on 33s in pop'n? take a small break and can suddenly clear some 38s. can't clear jumpstream files in stepmania? took a break and could start clearing 200BPM jumpstream.
>>14913381
we should make a rhythm game guide
>>14914477
>sows is one person
>>14913978
>>14914599
>they are in sows
>sows is one person
>everyone in sows hates touch screen games
Is what you're basically trying to say here
>>14914620
Something being frowned upon within a community doesn't mean literally nobody there likes it, it means a relative minority likes it and many of the others actively dislike it.
It's really not that hard to just not be a retard
Where can I find good Stepmania themes? Most of the themes on ZiV are incomplete or shit.
>>14914989
spawncamping-wallhack is pretty good
ultralight is also nice
and so is simply love
>>14914989
Simply Love or Consensual.
>>14911426
it's a video game calm down faggot
what the fuck do i do i cant decide between getting a popn or iidx controller fuck
ive played a popn machine before at an arcade but not iidx but iidx looks fun
>>14915381
iidx will very likely have longer lasting appeal
>>14915381
Pop'n is easier to get into and is just as hard as IIDX in high difficulties, except for maybe some really crazy IIDX doubles. ASCs are also cheaper.
>>14915381
Play IIDX at an arcade and find out
>>14915381
Both are fun. Follow your heart.
>>14915381
>>14915450
or your penis
IIDX is sexier
Pop'n is cuter
Goddamn when is Dao going to restock the US Storehouse. I want a Pop'n ASC and $105 shipping is killing me inside.
What is the best platform and emulator for IIDX?
>>14915733
did you just get here?
>>14915735
I got here yesterday actually.
>>14915733
lurk nigga, it's been mentioned in this very thread
>>14915737
LR2, there's a guide
>>14915456
>implying those aren't the same thing
>>14915381
pop'n is way more fun
tfw you are unironically listening to m1dy dynamic on repeat
