What
Went
Wrong?
>Not enough Koreans
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
>>14848951
Using Adobe Flash in fucking 2016
>>14848951
Requiring accounts
Economy mode
Not letting you skip to later in the video
Flash based player
Sometimes videos just refuse to play
Filesize limits
Everything about their livestream service
At least their compression doesn't rape the video's quality like Youtube does, so that's a point in favor I guess
Typical japanese retarded monetization scheme (pay to contribute).
>>14848951
Slow.
Everything. Japs still have a 1994 understanding of how to design websites.
>>14849067
>>14849693
Would you people prefer the Youtube monetization scheme?
I fucking hate how popular those anime voices have become I can't enjoy anything anymore because they use that crap.
>>14848951
Nothing's wrong. Go back to /v/.
>>14853145
What, the SofTalk voice they use for yukkuris and stuff?
>>14848951
Almost all the videos I watch are from years ago because I always sort by views.
If there's a problem with the community I don't know it because I don't do anything besides sometimes watch comments scroll by, the closest I've ever come to it is following MMD cup once in a while.
>>14848951
The video is laggy I can't watch
Flandre dancing Mmd is good frames
>>14853180
Bouyomi-chan isn't it? I know that's the software they use for the niconico comment-to-speech stuff.
>>14848951
It's inferior to youtube in almost every way..
Can you stream here if you don't pay for premium? Or must you pay the 500 yen a month to stream?
>>14848951
The community is just too small. I still love watching 実況動画 on Niconico though. Let's play videos on youtube can't compare.
>>14848951
In terms of pure technical capacity it's a loser to YouTube on the video front and Twitch for live streaming, but I still like the creative community.
I also like stalking JK streams and you don't get those elsewhere. (Technically my favorite streamer lost the JK brand yesterday but I'll keep following her anyway, 卒業おめ)
What went right?
>>14860893
the wwww's flying past the screen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDdgdlc4gW0
Does anyone know her nico community?
>>14860893
danmaku
>>14853014
Yes.
Because I don't have to pay for it.
>>14854487
Is that the same voice you can hear in the background as that guy's house burns down?
Splatoon and Mario Maker shilling
>>14848951
You say it like it can't be redeemed
>>14866458
Try turning adblock off for a while and using Youtube. It's fucking impossible and I hate it.
I'm sure if it were impossible to block ads more people would make a point of not using Youtube.
>>14867402
When advertisements were first put on television in the soviet union, many people saw them as convenient tea breaks, and didn't watch them.
>>14860893
tags, Nicopedia, category rankings, public video stats
>>14867469
Youtube ads actually require you to click something.
kikes.
>>14869197
Did you forget the video ads you have to watch for a few seconds before being able to watch what you want?
>>14848951
flash
>>14869197
When? I don't have any plugins installed but never recall clicking on an ad.
>>14870052
He probably means a "click here after x seconds if you wish to skip the rest of the ad"
>>14870181
I wouldn't be able to finish pouring my tea if I was clicking things.
>>14848951
terrible buffer times. Can't play more than 1 video at a time without it taking about 10 minutes to load both videos. It's faster to download the fucking video on you computer then to let it buffer
>>14866478
Yes
>>14853014
Yes, because you still don't need a fucking account just to watch the video.
>>14871177
Is your opposition to this a principled stand against registration, or is it just inconvenient for you?
>>14853185
>years ago because I always sort by views
YouTube keeps raising the bar for views - remember when Avril Lavigne's "Girlfriend" was super popular with 25 million hits?
Nowadays any Vevo release has 100 millions with ease, and you can start considering it a success if it hits 500 millions.
Sorting by views and getting old content might mean the community keeps dropping.
Where are the japs, then?
>>14848951
Slow
Not enough payment options, fuck paypal
Congestion
I don't mind having an account since it makes it more exclusive and I'm also okay with NND charging once a month for premium (I wish it was cheaper like $3 instead). I'd rather pay than deal with ads like with Youtube.
>>14853185
>>14871261
You should sort by Mylists. Always.
Anyway, Niconico is perfect for me except for the dated player and free accounts.
I mean, look at this: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28345092
>bitrate: 649 kb/s
>Stream #0:0(und): Video: h264 (High) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p(tv, smpte170m/unknown/unknown), 1280x720, 520 kb/s
> Stream #0:1(und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 44100 Hz, stereo, fltp, 125 kb/s
The audio is OK, but that video bitrate is unnecessarily constricting, and more limiting than Youtube in 2010, yet alone today.
Furthermore, the author should of made it 480p to conserve quality, but the encoding was left in their hands. Usually, I think this is a good thing, because you can make a high detail render on Niconico without worrying about re-encoding. However, the 700kb/s and 40MB limit for free users, and the 100MB limit for Premium users is damned limiting in this day and age.
When I reupload videos, I usually have to run them through avisynth to make them presentable on Youtube because of encoding oddities and artificially low resolutions.
>>14871261
>>14853185
How do I sort by views
>>14871762
In comparison, a video that is very well-encoded:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28344253
>>14871762
What needs to be bigger than 100mb? A whole fucking movie?
>>14872678
Anon, the file size of some of the videos they upload can have some really outrageous numbers.
>>14872720
That's because they're in ridiculous resolutions with ridiculous frame rates. They might as well just distribute the models and dance files if they're going to use 300mb for a 5 minute segment.
Also fuck all those songs. (The hell is that last file though?)
How is NicoNico on copyrighted material?
I know Japan in general is strict on Piracy, but what about using snippets of animu and games?
Can people upload fandubs, fansings and whatnot? I see it a lot during streams, but not so much when it comes to uplodaded videos.
Are takedowns frequent? Efficient?
>>14873124
It depends on the anime. I know Fuji TV are one of the stricter ones when it comes to taking down their stuff.
It's miles better than Youtube though.
Just as an example of how fucked up the site is, today I tried to upload a video but since I was using the English version of the site, it wouldn't let me upload it, I had to switch to the Japanese version to do it.
After the video finished uploading, it showed me an error message and took me back to my profile page, with the video nowhere to be found.
>>14873747
I wish every Japanese site treated English speakers that way. Upload western trash to western sites
>>14873747
It was intended to keep non-speakers segregated. If you read the Japanese docs, the process is pretty simple.
>>14854856
Don't non-premium have to make a new video and reset the stream every half hour?
>>14871221
It's inconvenient for everyone, what if you just want to share a video with someone who hadn't heard of the site ever in their lives? They have to go through the process of making an account just to watch a video on a site they will probably never use again.
>>14875941
You should question yourself as to why you want to share the video with them and why they wouldn't already have an account if they were interested at all in the material you were going to show them. If they're never going to use the site again, they most likely won't enjoy your video and you shouldn't be trying to send it to them in the first place.
>>14876050
I'm on with this faggot, look what happened to this site when people started to share our shit with facebook.everythign went to shit snd it's exclusively your fault anons.
>>14875804
Yes
>>14875941
>It's inconvenient for everyone, what if you just want to share a video with someone who hadn't heard of the site ever in their lives?
Reupload to Youtube (or Bilibili if you are Chinese), like everyone else does.
>>14872747
It's this thing.
I find it more humorous than erotic to be quite honest.
まあ、このレベルの議論してるうちはニコ動の良さはわからんだろうな（確信）
>>14849067
>At least their compression doesn't rape the video's quality like Youtube does
Triggered.
Youtube allows souce uploads.
NND is 40mb 600kbps 1280x720 max for free accounts, 100 ∞ ∞ (in theory) for premium.
These threads are nothing but computer-illiterate poorfags bitching about nothing, anyway.
>>14871647
Abenomics raised the price to 540￥ / $4.7454, which is still very much lower than competing sites.
Speed issues are legitimate complaints, only because they throttle non jp connections, but you should still be getting 1-3MBps. Jp speeds are as fast as the tubes allow; easiliy solved by using a vpn.
>>14871762
http://qa.nicovideo.jp/faq/show/820
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv255173251
I don't know op but here's what went right.
So fucking cute
>>14849067
>being so cheap you can't pay the tiny bit of money
>crying about the all the mentioned because you didn't pay the tiny little bit of yen
>being that salty
Your
Slot
Has
Been
Taken
By
A
Premium
Viewer
>>14887046
So has your spacebar, I suppose.
>>14887046
Lucky I am a premium member, so ha.
>>14866458
You pay for it, but not with money.
The youtube model is based on targeting their entire website at retards who are:
A. Too tech illiterate to install a decent adblock
B. Have the free time and stupidity to spend hours every day doing nothing but watching youtube videos
...which just so happens to be the 13 year old boys demographic.
So now Youtube's entire business model and website design are geared towards making it attractive to said 13 year old boys and promoting content these 13 year old boys would enjoy. This is where dumb features like autoplay, "Recommended for you" and "Watch it again" come from. It's why youtube's default comment sorting is so retarded, and why shit like the "Trending" page and "Music" category exist. Channels like smosh and finebros are what rakes in all the money, so google made a website that accommodates them.
Say what you will about NND (especially in recent years), at least they still function like a video sharing website and not some poor imitation of kids' TV. They know what they want to do and what niche they want to fill, they set out to do it, and for the most part they succeed. You, dumb gaijin, are not their target demographic. You should feel thankful they don't just block all non-Japanese IPs and be done with it.
When the userbase (and moreover - the HARDCORE users who are willing to pay a monthly fee) is your main source of income, you'll be doing what you can to appeal to them and do what's good for the users, rather than the whims and demands of faceless corporations and ad-generators. Just like in 4chan, I'd rather have this shitty captcha/pass system than have google dictate what the website should be.
Shitty servers.
>>14887247
Counter-argument:
You don't have to watch the videos that Youtube recommends to you, and you can subscribe to channels you do like and search for videos which are not pushed by Youtube.
Also, you can upload 4K60fps 20+ GB on Youtube for free, and you only take a slight hit in encoding quality.
Yeah, Youtube is not made for the 4chan/2channel crowd, but it doesn't actively try to remove content which isn't R-18.
>>14848951
It's amazing how it feels like they haven't improved their shitty player or site at all in the past 8 or so years.
>>14887247
What amazing wall of bullshit.
The captcha is ran by Google anyways, so good job teaching machines to replace us.
big shita red あほくさ
big shita red あ ほ く さ
big shita red あ ほ く さ
>>14886145
I become curious about the guy's video because he claims it is cute. I eargerly click on it.
>You need to register as a member to use Nico Live
>SIGN IN
>LOGIN
That's what went wrong
>>14896644
Niconico was originally a comment wrapper for Youtube. When Youtube cut the plug, the developers had to come up with a way to share videos while minimizing bandwidth.
This is one of those byproducts that remains a "feature," along with:
1. 100MB/40MB video limit
2. Low-quality mode
3. Users responsible for proper encoding
>>14900051
Just because it was a necessity once is no justification for maintaining retarded restrictions
>>14900187
Retarded might be different for the NND userbase.
Why don't all boards allow audio webms, which is only an artificial restriction by 4chan mods.
>>14900199
I don't pretend that isn't retarded as well.
>>14900365
it would change the nature of the boards pretty substantially, and consequently change the userbase
perhaps the website doesnt want to change, perhaps they do not want to make it easier for people to upload or watch
見とけよ見とけよ～
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28322152
>>14849063
>Using Adobe Flash in fucking 2016
I don't know why. Flash players work much better than HTML5 crap.
Flash bashing for no reason without understanding is just sad.
>>14902793
I feel like that is only funny if you are Japanese. Like, I know its literally 2ch Oji-san shitposting, but it does not seem inherently funny.
>>14903643
>I don't know why. Flash players work much better than HTML5 crap.
HTML5 usually just gives the video directly to the browser, unless the host implements DRM.
If your HTML5 video is shit, its probably some in-house player. Do you have an example?
See the article ニコニコ動画はいかなる点で特異なのか by 濱野智史
Can you still download videos from Nico? The website I usually use is giving me an error now.
>>14915559
I use the the niconico audio extractor (extracts video too) extension on chrome and it still works.
>>14919334
Just tried it and it works, thanks. I tried using http://www.vid-dl.net/ and Nicofox firefox addon and neither of them worked so I thought it was something on Nico's end.
The player is basically unusable.
Very slow, buffering, cannot skip...
If youtube implements chat overlay and proper live, then I'd have no reason to go to niconico.
jesus christ this thread went to shit
>>14921304
Look at the thread's memetic OP and tell me it wasn't shit from the start.
>>14921309
I'd rather have a memetic OP than hoards of dumb teenagers writing entire scrolls of meta shit
>>14921331
This.
Damn, this thread got culled hard.
Looks like the janitor wasn't happy with the derailment.
>>14848951
Hello /jp/
Someone posted this video http://youtu.be/OMOHLfefU2Q
She looks like a psychopath. A murderer?
>>14921304
I didn't see you making making any effort to bring the thread back on-topic.
>>14921331
You could have been literally 12 when /jp/ was created and you still wouldn't be a teenager anymore. If they were making shit up the real problem is that they'd be a pack of liars.
>>14922409
>I didn't see you making making any effort to bring the thread back on-topic.
Probably because there is literally nothing left to say about the topic (at /jp/'s current level of expertise) that hasn't already been said, unless you want to turn it into "Nicovideo General."
>>14887247
>I'd rather have this shitty captcha/pass system than have google dictate what the website should be
Unless you have legacy turned on, I have some bad news for you, nicofag anon.
>>14922629
So what valuable secrets are we missing out due to our "current level of expertise". smart guy?
>>14924417
I'm not the poster you're replying to, but for example, no one's mentioned the content tree system.
>>14924417
I don't have that expertise either, but I was hoping somebody who was familiar with the Nicovideo creative community as it's evolved through the years might have something to add.
The technical aspect has mostly been beaten to death.
>>14924417
It's as much a ranking site as it is a video-sharing site, so criticisms about the video player (though all true) kind of miss the point.
>>14924552
Nicovideo's community is worse than Youtube's idiots. The non-lewd MMD makers can be entertaining sometimes but those people and their stupid gay porn meme that's been going on since like 2007 are so tired. Most other fad shit, usually from Touhou fans, is equally dumb. Their let's-players seem less obnoxious though.
>>14922629
>>14924417
>>14924549
Truth be told, I've never used Nicovideo, or Youtube for that matter, beyond looking at videos. I have no idea what sort of other features they have. I know Nico has a encyclopedia and a comic/art section(complete with comments scrolling over the comic pages) and supposedly an 'adult' section.
Can I use this thread to ask basic shit about stuff people spam on videos?
>Delete bank number from account so they don't charge me for the next month
>It also ends the current month sub that I just paid for
Lmao.
>>14924621
>Can I use this thread to ask basic shit about stuff people spam on videos?
Sure
>>14924621
>Most other fad shit, usually from Touhou fans, is equally dumb
I like most of the dumb Touhou fad shit. Anything that involves two Touhous talking to each other and being dumb (lots of shorts, some series, some manzai) makes me smile even if it is really dumb all around.
As for the rest of the community I don't know too much about it, except that I'm subscribed to a couple live broadcast channels that mostly involve a girl talking with the screen and trading shit with a few hundred commenters.
>>14924621
>>14924712
I absolutely love the 音MAD culture from nicovideo, it's probably the most creative and talented community on that site by far.
I used to have a friend from the site who was an ultra ニコ厨 but apparently he got sick of the western 4chan attitude and stopped all contact, which is sort of surprising since the nico userbase has a strong overlap with 2chan already and they're not trolling any less over there.
>>14924621
>>14924712
>>14925458
So no one is into the vocaloid/utaite/odorite community?
>>14924635
Lets start with simple stuff then. Most stuff I don't get, I see on the more pervert type videos.
What does NG mean?
Why do people spam stuff with slashes like "/hidden'"? Is it some sort of meme like how /b/ would tell people to post random words on other boards to unlock secret functions?
>>14925757
NG means no good
/hidden is just a tongue in cheek inside joke
sources:
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/ng
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%2Fhidden
>>14925826
But here, probably specifically the NG function on comments.
You right click a comment and NG it to hide it. You can also set things so that you don't see comments NGed by other users: http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/NG共有機能
You'll often see 黙ってNG, which means you should NG comments you don't like instead of responding to them.
Who's that syamu_game guy and why are there so many videos making fun of him? Is it just because he's an especially obnoxious Youtuber, kind of like how /tv/ makes fun of Latza?
>>14925748
You probably want to ask the people in the Vocaloid thread. I watch the videos sometimes but I don't know anything about the people in them.
I wish there were more incentives for people to broadcast more..It's sad to look in my nico community over the years and only 3-5 broadcast regularly out of 50
>>14925748
I dislike vocaloids. Their music gets used in MMD dancing videos a lot but it's annoying. The only things with them in them that I watch are videos that feature various models from all sorts of things.
>>14860928
lmao what was going on there?
i can't understand a thing but the dude clearly was going off the las couple of minutes
>>14927192
I asked this here more because of the odorite community, which is not contemplated in the vocaloid thread, but I thought I should also mention vocaloid/utaite since these are closely related.
>>14860928
She's on Twitcasting, here:
http://twitcasting.tv/fukaseee
>>14928062
This was a 喧嘩凸待ち, which means she wanted people to call her to argue with her/bully her.
I guess that guy was a bit too much for her to handle. At first he was just talking shit about her looks and other random crap, but then he started making fun of the fact that she is mentally ill, has no friends, doesn't leave her house, and is a burden to society, which apparently struck a nerve (according to the title of the video she is actually a mentally ill neet).
>>14929738
I supposed niconico is a magnet for both, female and male neets
>>14929738
lol poor thing but why would you get people to call you to bully you if can't take it?.
i know nothing about this jap streamers, is this '' 喧嘩凸待ち'' common?
>>14931121
I don't know if it's that common, but it's common enough to be a thing.
Generally I don't think you're supposed to take it seriously, it's just talking shit for fun, with the implied understanding that they don't really mean what they're saying. For normal people it's just harmless fun, but I guess if you're mentally unstable it can end up like this. Then again, maybe the crying was part of the act too, who knows.
This thread is a good case study in why /jp/ is a sterile board.
>>14934517
Being sterile is a good thing. The opposite is being a diseased trash heap.
>>14934573
Back to the moon with you, Lunarian scum. /jp/ is a place for the living.
