http://arcturus.su/
http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447
Also, do you own a junk mat? You need a junk mat.
For those interested in participating in a mahjong tournament, you can sign up here.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1_b3Ia1PpUDW5PvMLFJ2N4zTrcEX5oAPcGQfJjvn-cGM/
Don't forget to list the times you're available to play.
There's also going to be a continuation of the tournament from last week. This time, with the top 8 players.
I already got responses from 7 out of 8 people, if the last person could submit the times they're available to play that would help me schedule a definite time. http://whenisgood.net/x23xijs
>>14661900 is the ranking of the last tournament.
So far the scheduled time based on the submitted responses is:
US/Pacific - Saturday, Jan 30, 6 PM
US/Central - Saturday, Jan 30, 8 PM
US/Eastern - Saturday, Jan 30, 9 PM
GMT+08:00 - Sunday, Jan 31, 10 AM
Australia/Sydney - Sunday, Jan 31, 1 PM
>>14669833
sorry, I thought I already send it
>>14669833
so, since you know all the timezones, how many amercans, europeans, australians are there?
>>14669857
No worries, thanks for the quick response. It'll be on Sunday, Jan 31, 3 AM.
>>14669873
It's about half burgers, a quarter Europeans, a quarter Australians.
>>14669896
>It'll be on Sunday, Jan 31, 3 AM
In which timezone?
Time for me to train and reach for the top on the next tournament!
>>14669903
The one you put down, if you're the same guy I responded to.
>>14669911
I'm not. Is it the same time as >>14669833 ?
>>14669916
3 am CET
>>14669916
Yes. Everything's the same.
>>14669929
>>14669935
Alright, cool. Looking forward to it.
2:0
>>14669682
I'd like to join sometime but I need to practice more.
What's a good mahjong app for android?
I just can't feel the flow now that I'm on Tenhou. The AI games I'm used to are all fast paced and exciting, and slowness of online is killing the fun. Did it take some getting used to for you guys?
>>14670002
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.bustercurry.virtualtenho_g&hl=en
Just be aware that the cat is a fucking cheater.
>>14670002
They're all kinda crap. Saki is alright in my opinion
>>14670011
I like using the Chicken.
>>14670004
To me AI games are the opposite of exciting. There's no doubt you're playing a computer since they never pause. At least on Tenhou you know you're playing real people.
>Nintendo makes Mahjong sets
I wish us westerners were shown all of the non-vidya products Nintendo makes.
Man, I sure love playing 3p.
>>14670011
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.denyu_sha.android.mahjong_neko_01&hl=en
what about this one?
>>14669833
Sorry I sent something that wasn't intended for you .
Sorry whoever's waiting. Gonna call it a night. Thanks for the games.
>>14670118
Don't worry I'm not even sure if I really want to go another round anyway. Haven't been doing well today
>>14670120
Tomorrow will be better for sure.
>i don't have a fucking tenhou
Just pick a name and register it.
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/ids-ranks.html
>>14670002
Fairly cheap (or Lite for free). Fast games. The AI is not all that smart; but if you want to learn yaku, this can be quite helpful.
>>14670004
>Did it take some getting used to for you guys?
My hand was shaking the whole time when I first played in Tenhou.
Ahhh
>tfw you will never walk into a Japanese parlour to play a game of mahjong while smoking a cigar. With all your best buds. If you have friends.
>>14670191
Best I can do is playing with you guys and shitting on Gogo.
>>14670191
Probably for the best. No one wants to gamble with a spaghetti lord
>>14670130
Fine, I made one.
>>14669833
What will the winner get?
>>14670435
Bragging rights
>>14670435
The largest e-peen anyone can wag in this threads.
>mfw made a masterful defensive play
>>14670773
>mfw made a masterful defensive playand dealt in anyway
>>14670875
>and dealt in anyway
That means it's not a masterful defensive play.
>>14670879
What is your criteria? Just the result? Because if so, every time I deal an unsafe tile against someone's riichi and it passes, I make a masterful play. Even though all I really did was get lucky.
You can't make a masterful defensive play by dealing in? What about sashikomi into a 1000 point hand when someone has called all three sangenpai? Many high level players would agree that dealing in to a cheap hand to prevent a large win is a strong defensive tactic, and in the right circumstance, could be considered 'masterful'.
Or is a masterful defensive play about making the discard that has the most consistency and least risk, or that you have strong logic supporting, even if 1% of the time it causes you to deal into a coincidental bad wait?
>>14670773
I think I just had one. South 3.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016012614gm-0029-0000-xeed27d18ebfa&tw=0
>>14670918
Damapin is fairly common when you have a lead but resisting the free sex button is commendable.
3:0
>>14670002
Been using https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.co.hangame.s_mahjong for a couple of years now
>>14670111
>2人打ち麻雀
It sucks.
Wait, wait, so this shit is called riichi mahjong because that's how the nips pronounce reach mahjong? Why do we call it riichi then? It isn't like we can't say or type reach.
>>14671261
>立直
>>14671261
Riichi isn't reach, it's 立直 which comes from the Chinese li-zhi.
>>14671261
It's just the way baka gajin like to pronounce said nip word.
Like, they are too dumb to pronounce chi so they say chow.
What would you discard?
>>14671478
All of the discard choices kind of suck in every way imaginable. Your only options are 4p or 6s. Of the two, I think 6s is more likely to pass, since four 4s and three 8s are out. But it's a live tile just like 4p so it's very possible you're going to deal into the dealer no matter which one you choose.
You might be tempted to drop the 8m since it's suji but given that it's right next to the dora, you're just asking to get suji trapped. Man tiles in general look super sketchy and in the worst case scenario, north has a chin itsu.
Why this slow and cheap hand was opened just because a yakuhai came out is a better question.
>>14671478
4pin and 6sou seems the only possibilities
>>14671478
I would personally go with 4p.
>>14671478
Looks like a pretty bad situation.
Looking closely, I would discard the 4p. Ron from shimocha is unlikely, after discarding 2s, 5s, 6s - doesn't look like matagi-like suji. Tanki oikake riichi on 5m in E2 doesn't sound like a great idea. Besides oikake probably means that this one is quite big.
Still, it is matagi for toimen - got to rely on those 2s and 3s on the table.
Manzu is probably a bad idea, looks like a big suji trap.
I'm not used to play with dan-ranked players so I don't know whether these arguments apply. Maybe people try to mislead you with unlikely oikake riichi or this kind of stuff.
Would you guys have declared richii?
>>14671734
Under normal circumstances, yes, but with a 20k lead in South 3, no way.
>>14671734
Nope, you don't really need the points and it's early enough that no one will tink you're in tenpai and deal tiles recklessly
>>14671734
Even without riichi, this will still get you around 5k points, which is more than enough to get a comfortable lead for all last I think
>>14671755
2600 deagari, 3900 tsumo.
>>14671766
I was taking in account the 2300 points on the table
>>14671772
Ah, I overlooked those riichi sticks.
I won't play again until my luck comes back
>>14671802
How will you know when it's back?
>>14671823
I'll feel it
>>14671827
How? Are you a flow magician? Can you teach me your ways?
>>14671734
no, stealth here is fine
>>14671261
Mahjong history is a mystery.
Most rules that are said to be unique about Japanese mahjong were played as house rules in manchuria. During WW2, Americans apparently were the first to introduce riichi to the Japanese, but this could be based on a Chinese rule. At first only Double Riichi existed, at the time it was just called Riichi, eventually a rule called Tochuu Riichi came into play which is the riichi we know today, jansous that used this rule labeled their mahjong as Riichi Mahjong, but in japan this name is now archaic. Taiwanese Mahjong also has a double riichi, which proves that riichi came from china
Here's another one WWYD.
>>14671972
3man
>>14671972
3 1m's and 3 4m's in sight, along with an early 5m discard. South 4 in the dealer seat with a winning hand. I wouldn't even think twice about the 3m.
>>14671802
Then who will be my rival?
>>14671734
Here's a thought for you. Would you risk your lead because you decided to call riichi?
In this case, I was in a roll. Riichi? Sure, I'll push that delicious sex button. However, it came back to bite me playing right into that ippatsu dealer baiman.
So, in your case, no. Your hand is worth shit. Besides, you can dama that 678 sanshoku and just win the hand that way.
>>14671972
To keep tenpai, 2s.
You have naka suji with 4s, but it's also dora. So, you can wait a bit on that.
For absolute certainty, you get three turns with the haku.
>>14669682
>Also, do you own a junk mat?
I have a folding non-automatic table that has been made for me as a gift, however I'm surrounded by plens so I get to play very rarely.
Thinking about buying a junk mat but they're pretty expensive with shipping to be quite honesto.
>>14671975
>>14672009
What I did in the pic. It wasn't a easy decision and thinking back at it there must be a better choice.
If 3m looks like the best answer at first, what about that early 5m discard? It probably means there's no 36m ryanmen wait, so 3m and 6m have to be considered separatedly.
The question becomes "is a 69m pinfu riichi likely?". Toimen needs a riichi pinfu tsumo or a 1500pts ron on kamicha.
This is where I don't know whether 3m or 6m is the better answer. 3m wait is either tanki, in which case the riichi wouldn't be great, or a penchan, that I would probably discarded early.
>>14672199
As 3rd, oya in all last, I think it is best to keep the possibility to ron otherwise it would probably end up with toimen winning. So haku would go with riichi, providing only one extra safe turn. Declaring my tenpai isn't that important given that other players aren't likely to discard 4s, but wait would be very bad.
Souzu looks pretty dangerous to me, what makes you think it is better than 3/6m?
>>14672319
Show the hand.
>>14672328
Sorry about that.
>2:0
>>14672488
make it 3.0
Oh god what the FUCK is up with my luck today.
Ugh, I was on a roll in my first game in the upper dan lobby but I still ended up second. At least I'm finally gaining points as second place.
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016012706gm-0089-0000-96dfe7c4&tw=0
>>14669682
>>14672797
>double Ron'd
>>14672744
Welcome to 2016, motherfucker.
>>14672797
You deserved it for pon'ing the 2 sou. You could have waited for the haku and then the 6 man, but instead you took the 2 sou and dealt a more dangerous tile.
>>14672836
He could have also just gone with the cheaper win instead of dealing in.
>>14672836
ofcourse, but in 7447 if I can go for a yakuman, i will
Damn this is too fast for me.
>>14672836
you are right,but as discards goes, I thought Ovest had a normal hand with a single wait and Nord a circles hon/chin itsu
Holy balls I was still thinking.
3:0
>>14672915
I really dislike the quick mode, sometimes you really need those extra seconds to make a decision
Tenhou just started the game without me even though I'd been queued. Weird
>>14669682
weird, there are a lot of noname/noregister today
>>14672923
3.4
Finally decide to stop NoNaming.
R1434 by the end of the day.
So this is what you mean when you'll start hating it.
>>14672965
Gotta stay positive! Since it's a new account, it'll take like one first place and one second place to be back at R1500 or so.
>>14672943
It's very annoying.
>>14672797
I curse every daisangen tenpai lost in similar ways
>>14672923
Yeah, especially if you suspect everyone else is already in tenpai. You can't work that shit out in 3 seconds.
>>14672797
Now, I'm curious. Where are the other two hatsus?
That feeling when 800 games in ranked and still not in tokujou
>>14669682
3.0
Just kill me.
>>14670011
>>14670012
>>14670132
>>14671207
Thanks for the recommendations.
3:4
>>14671478
I'd go with the 8 man, even though I know it's a pretty stupid thing to do.
>>14672817
Reminder that for a week and a half more we're in the year of the sheep. It's the reason for all your losses since 2016 began. Do not play until February 8th.
>>14673673
And if you didn't say rabbit rabbit first upon waking up in the beginning of the month it's double bad luck.
dam
>>14673260
I know that feeling too well.
>>14673260
1600 games, average going around +-0.00, average placement 2.50 and under 1800R. If I didn't like my ID I'd start a new account.
>>14671394
gr8 b8
It's called chow in English because mahjong is a Chinese game, not a Japanese one.
saber no
>>14673965
I am sorry for being awful /jp/-san.
>>14673989
Nah, I'm impressed you didn't deal in that round. Good job holding onto the 8p. Just not sure if I agree with opening your hand with the kan.
>>14672319
>>14672336
I think you made the right choice, but you just got an unfortunate result.
You were third in S4 as dealer with almost no chance of dropping to last, so there was not much to lose and a lot to gain.
Nothing to brood over.
>>14673917
What' would you consider a good average placement?
>>14674014
If I remember right 2.50 is the average, which goes well with the +-0.00 Anything below 2.50 would be good.
>>14673965
Also I agree that Kan was very silly. If you watched the rest of that game, do you have any other advice?
>>14674050
yeah
don't be a cuck
>>14674050
I became preoccupied after S1, sorry. It looked like you knew what you were doing, though.
>>14673466
It can only get better from there.
This probably sounds like I just got destroyed and now im mad but....
are there bots for this shit?
>>14674343
I think they have some special nip words to signify it.
You probably just got destroyed by a human, sorry.
>>14674400
In the username, I mean.
You're just going through reps of hell, anon.
>>14674343
If there are bots for it, then I expect they're worse than most human players
>>14674434
No way, this would be one of the greatest games to bot.
>>14674434
I think one bot peaked at 4dan or something? Can't remember the exact rank
>>14674343
Just keep playing. You're shit until you've played tons of games. Everyone has to go through this.
>>14671478
9m. They won't wait on the dora.
>>14672797
Why the hell are you still playing in ippan?
>>14674343
>>14674400
>>14674434
>>14674446
Not true. A bot will will have before its name. I've played against a 7d R2052 once before.
>>14674591
Meant to say have a prefix of "n" inside a circle before its name.
3:0
Take this old man's words to heart the next time you're feeling down about mahjong.
>>14674992
1:0
someone keep me company please
>>14675423
We 3:0 now!
>>14674571
it was 7447
>>14674992
I can't take something like that to heart. I am so ashamed.
If I ron on a shanpon machi on a kotsu, with two other kotsu in my hand, it doesn't count as san an kou, right?
>>14675846
You are correct.
>>14675846
No. Ankou means a closed triplet. If you ron on it, it's not closed.
I guess he really wanted that open Honitsu.Got 2 reverse Dora for the dealer Baiman by the way
>>14669833
FFS give times in UTC.
>>14677574
UTC is for gays
>>14677574
I was just breaking it down so there's absolutely no confusion. Please don't hurt me.
>>14677574
I don't know what that is
>>14677674
I hate mahjong. I just grinded all day only to end up back where I started after I lost a few games.
1:0
Just had a strong win in the ranked lobby, come steal my luck
>>14679193
2:0 now
>>14679214
make it 3.0, it not like I wanted to sleep or anything
Good game guys, I'd go again but it's too damn late
>>14679193
so, did it end?
>>14679413
tell me about it, it's 7.32 am and I'm awake since 9.00 am, of yeasterday
>>14679417
No comment
Stop whining you weak bastards!
>>14669682
3.0
>>14679784
again
>>14679845
Take a break, UNIVERSE.
>>14679850
I refuse. I was doing good up until the double ron suji trap.
>>14679863
>fooled by suji trap
>>14679886
A suji trap with the red 5, thrown out by someone besides the riichi'd person despite it being dangerous, in west round, while I'm in tenpai and the tile in question is the safest tile I've got. I'm sorry, it's too deep for me.
>>14669682
2.0
>>14679957
>missed it 3 times in a row
>>14679971
Go grind in L0 instead.
Playing after waking up was a bad idea.
>>14679971
your chance again
>>14680035
Tell me about it. I've already accidently broken my headphones out of anger.
>>14680046
Never forget. >>14674992
In retrospect I wish I would have missed that game too
You know what's frustrating? Having one haku, hatsu and chun in your starting hand.
>>14680583
But that's perfect, you can just wait for any of the dragons before discarding the others.
>>14680589
>you can just wait
Most of the time it will never come.
>>14680583
>Discard one
>The very next turn draw another of the one you just discarded
>>14680598
Seriously? I almost always get another one (at least)
Why would you do this?
>tfw barely escape death
![81b11LgmxbL._SL1500_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uCxoPHS.jpg "81b11LgmxbL._SL1500_[1].jpg")
>>14669682
Playing weekly with my family, we all agree that the junk mat is god.
pic related is our set
>>14680693
How many games have you played?
>>14680704
Probably just wanted the game to be over. If they were a lower rank I would expect they didn't know how to score their hand and just hoped it would push into a south round
>1:0
>>14680747
1:0 is no different from 0:0 though.
>>14680752
;_;
>>14680713
Only about 100.
I think it works out statistically though.
There are 136 tiles total, of which 12 are dragons. As you know your hand has 3 of the dragons and 11 other tiles (by your first discard) then that leaves 9 dragons and a total of 125 remaining tiles. In total there are 42 other tiles already dealt out, of which ~3 will be dragons (9 x 42/125) leaving six remaining dragons in the deck. There is also the chance of dragon tiles being in the dead wall, which lowers the number of remaining accessible dragons, assuming the player doesn't call kan, to 5 (9 x 14/125). With 4 players this means each should get 1.25 on average sometime during the game, or in other words in the majority of games in which this scenario occurs you will draw another dragon tile.
>>14680799
>trying to explain tenhou with statistics
Don't you realize that Tenhou is full of occult shit?
Is there a way to make Tenhou stretch in full screen? I'm using the client and it has black bars on all sides makes it impossible to see.
Hey UNIVERSE do you ever sleep?
>>14680863
I have no set sleep schedule, so it just seems like I don't.
>>14680863
Sleeping is for the weak.
lol double richii
What are some good mahjong streams aside from ASAPIN?
>tfw someone falls into your suji trap plus ippatsu
Just as planned
Hopefully you won't discard live round winds when someone declares richii next time.
>>14681202
>7447
>Caring
What
>>14681206
There's a difference between not caring about winning and not acting like a fool. The game is less fun when one idiot makes everyone's effort pointless.
>>14681223
You're delusional if you think I'm not just going to go all out offense regardless of what I have in 7447. If I wanted to play Betaori simulator I'd just head off to L0.
>>14681236
Is it that much more fun to not think and play 4th place simulator instead?
>>14681243
Seeing as more often than not you can literally do that and win due to the inherent RNG? For sure.
Why care so much? Is it that aggravating that I could care less? Cause that if anyone gave a damn you'd never ron?
>>14681252
Well, no one had fun in that game. It takes a longer time to set up L7447 games compared to L0 but this one was over too quick. Hell, I won but I didn't really find it fun.
>>14681252
Is it so hard to imagine that some people here want a good game? Go play with bots if you feel like fucking around so much.
>>14681260
Either we slog through 8 rounds of open tanyaos, or end it with a couple of dealer mangans. Such is ari ari in 7447.
Until we get a client that enables us to have hand minimums, and custom rules like getting rid of red 5s, exciting games are going to be far, and few.
I'm sorry if you didn't have fun - if it's any consolation I didn't have much fun either - but I find myself not caring as much when it's late at night and it's just ari ari in 7447. The dumb social aspect of mahjong isn't there: there's no shit talking, and people are generally apathetic since the lack of rating.
>>14681317
>8 rounds of open tanyaos
>people are generally apathetic
Quit your projecting. Some people play actually have close, fun matches with both large hands and quick strategic hands. Maybe you'd play some too if you weren't so busy dealing in.
>>14681317
>there's no shit talking
Honestly I wish there was chat ingame
>>14681343
>large and quick strategic hands
>several rounds of tanyaos until someone gains a lead
>then open tanyaos in a frantic scramble for 1st or second
Don't delude yourself in thinking that the vast majority of players don't just want to enjoy constantly blueballing themselves as their big hands are blitzed by cheap open tanyaos like the perverted masos they are.
>>14681364
I remembered how fun it was skyping in JRM while complaining of shit hands, and the bullshit rigged hands.
>>14681387
>JRM private chat rooms made it super easy to get a game together
>Could just shoot the shit and talk about how crazy that last game was when you're done
>Summoning mythological creatures with big hands
Why did they have to ruin it?
>>14681387
My dick stands alert dripping with precum every time some retard kills my baiman hand with a cheap kuitan or yakuhai.
>>14681127
JPML tournament streams, especially when one of the Nikaido sisters is playing.
>>14681822
I ain't that anon, but I don't know anything about JPML players. I'm guessing the Nikaido sisters are really good?
>>14681829
They are. It also helps that they're not ugly like some of the other female pros.
>>14681849
Thanks, anon.
They sound like mahjong angels.
>>14669732
So how is this coming along anyway? Did you get a lot of submissions?
>>14680713
About 3800 games or so via Tenhou. At least, 1000 more using Nagomi (vs AI). At least, 300 games with real tiles. Less than 100 via Gamedesign.
>>14680704
Yea, why would anyone play 3p?
Ahhh that miracle rush ending in that L0 game with waza
>>14681888
>At least, 1000 more using Nagomi (vs AI).
Just why.
>>14682193
At first I was glad you drew your winning tile because I thought another honba would give me enough time to catch up to the guy in first. Little did I know you'd get dealer haneman and wreck us all.
>>14682210
It was really unlikely, too, since that fucking guy who kept winning had discarded two 6p and you had the third 6p. Alas, it was at great cost - I think my deal-in rate went up by .4 percent.
At least you had a sexy ippatsu. That sssst guy didn't do much that game.
>>14682223
Hey, it happens man. It worked out in the end. As long as you don't deal in like that every game and know when to push for the right hands. I folded a lot that game because my hands were weak.
>>14669682
2.0
>-145
>>14682571
3.0
>>14682205
>Just why.
I was noob and used it to yaku chase. Plus, fast easy games to play just before falling asleep in bed or while taking a dump.
2:4
>>14681856
We've got 20 people signed up so far.
>>14682598
this
>>14682582
Which cock sucking maggot put himself into a world of shit?
>>14683659
The toimen, sir. It was all his fault every game sir.
Hit the beautiful 100 games benchmark.
Did everyone's January games get better? The month is nearly over. Post stats!
>>14683946
My January stats got worse, but I started so well this month that it was coming.
>>14683946
10+5+4+5 = 24戦
Could be better, but I'll take it.
>>14669682
3.0
>>14669682
2.0
>>14684902
Make it 3:0!
>>14684902
make it 3.0
>>14684910
made it 3:0!
>>14669682
thanks for the ippatsu
>lose 5 games in a row in joukyuu
>go back to ippan with all the beginners
>lose another 2 games
How do I stop sucking so bad?
>>14685166
Losing as in getting 4th? Stop dealing in and winning with only cheap hands. Losing as in not getting 1st? That's going to happen a majority of the time. Getting 2nd is fine, 3rd is 'at least I'm not 4th'.
>>14685181
My deal in rate isn't that high, it's just that everyone finishes their hand before me. Lately I've been getting a lot of 4 or more shanten hands even worse when I can't aim for yakuhai or open tanyao, I simply don't have enough time to finish my hand before everyone else. I still don't know how to get over the frustration of not being able to do anything.
>>14685203
>I still don't know how to get over the frustration of not being able to do anything.
That never goes away, regardless of Tenhou rank.
>>14685203
Make sure your tile efficiency is where it should be. Go back and watch your replays, compare your discards to what Tenhou says is the most efficient discard on tenhou.net/2. Other than that, bad luck is bad luck, there's no changing that.
>>14685166
There's not much difference between joukyuu and ippan
>>14681849
>>14685369
This seems to be the case. Made a new account two weeks ago and now I'm nearly 3dan. Joukyuu players are just a little better on defense and seem to aim for sanshoku more often from what I've seen.
>>14685393
Oops, I forgot I attached said pic. Was originally going to say something about aiming for big hands to help out losing streak anon.
>>14685393
>Double hell wait
You're lucky it worked out. You would've felt silly if you ended up drawing 4/6/9m or dealt into someone.
>>14685460
Yeah, desperate times, dude. It seems like the tiles come to me when it counts, though.
This is from yesterday when I faced waza in L0.
>>14685381
>>14685521
http://tenhou.net/0/?log=2016013003gm-0089-0000-2d672200&tw=3&ts=9
South 4 riichi as a dealer is always very rewarding to me. Even in cases where you could escape last place with dama, I've made too many full comebacks to not call it.
I got really lucky with the toimen and kamicha making some pretty stupid discards after my riichi, though.
>>14685663
Yeah, I know that feel. Upsets feel too great.
That was one heck of an end to that round. Can't blame kamicha for wanting to escape, I guess.
2:0
>>14669682
washizu is on fire
>finally manage to get some peace and quiet after a long day to play
>play like shit, tired
>lose to well rested japs enjoying an afternoon game
I should just quit this game, you could count on one hand the times I've actually managed to play undisturbed and in the right mindset
>>14688218
>well rested japs enjoying an afternoon game
And that's the best time to play.
