Wow, human village once again confirmed to be nothing more than a Zoo.
Grimsokyo fags will have a field day with this.
>there will never be a manga about a human who befriends the kappa at a young age and learns their mechanical engineering skills to quietly mass produces rimfire rifles for the entire village to remove Youkai
I would like my genetic information to be manipulated by aya.
>>14412540
>generic rifles
>remove youkai
>>14412576
Those ain't just rifles son.
Those rifles were made for a very specific purpose, hammered into shape by tools driven by single-minded will.
And what is this will? That moves the body that handles the tool that shapes the rifle?
Is the will of one, ten, a hundred humans, the will of their spirit yearning to break chains and barriers, to be free in spite of anything the world might throw at it, to take back what's it's rightfully his for when He tamed Fire, the raging soul of the world, he became the one to tame the world itself.Some more practice and i will be able to make a HFY speech worth a damn
>>14412576
If humans with guns aren't dangerous, then why is everyone afraid of the humans getting a leader and expanding beyond the city?
>>14412500
I love how Harukawa's Aya has all these subtle creepy moments. Each character even has a different kind of creepy.
FS Nitori talks a lot about how people should fear the kappa, but you get the impression that a lot of this is idle boasting and the kappa have forgetten most of what it means be truly dangerous.
Aya, on the other hand, is always dangerous. She's a youkai to her core, an extremely old and powerful one with complex motives, but she's so good at presenting a harmless face that she makes YOU forget that.
Gensokyo confirmed for anarchist utopia.
>>14412681
>anarchist utopia
>gensokyo
more like socialist scary place
Anarchism and communism are identical
>>14412616
Because humans being youkai's dumb farm animals is one of the things keeping Gensokyo working.
Kappa make plasma guns, smart guns, mini homing missiles and stealth tech. And they are low tier youkai species when it comes to power. I'm sure humans making rifles would change anything.
>>14412656
Well, she almost gave our cute librarian a heart attack. It's easy to forget that these tiny cute girls are man eating monsters.
I sure love how the first thing Kosuzu did was rush straight to Reimu. So much for humans no longer being afraid of youkai.
>>14412681
It's quite hard to define it as a anarchy when there are clearly multiple factions which all claim to be the government.
I'd rather define it as an Anocracy due to its inconsistent state.
It's kinda like Somalia.
>>14412799
Unless youkai have bullet-proof eyes and ear drums, guns will work fine.
And if they were bullet-proof, they wouldn't function properly.
Check mate, youkai. Even doubting them derives them of power.
>>14412576
>take shovel
>remake into AK
>?????
>profit
Yeah, I know lots of /jp/sies are NEETs and never leave their houses. But seriously, have you ever been in Zoo? Or do you at least know how it works?
Owners of the Zoo do not care about their animals revolting, animals can't do anything, even mightiest lions and tigers are powerless. All the animals are completely restrained in the cages and thus harmless. But it's not how it works with Human Village. Youkai just spy on humans. If it was Zoo youkai would send overseers instead of spies that would keep humans in cages without any possibility to harm youkai. But youkai just can't do that, such system wouldn't be able to exist, human would revolt and break their cages, and in the end either humans or youkai would be eliminated. Youkai probably even offer humans sexual favours so they are always relaxed and don't think about anything nasty. Youkai and humans are more equal than any grimderpfag here thinks.
Also Gensokyo is actually the Zoo for youkai. They are contained in a reservation without any hope to escape. And even if they could they probably would cease to exist in outside world. It's a shitty and despicable existence and I pity every single youkai out there.
You know, Gensokyo only exists because humans DID expand out of control, and DID nearly drive youkai to extinction. I'd think them worrying about humans growing too powerful is entirely justified.
That said, why don't more humans learn magic/danmaku? It allows you to force any youkai who would otherwise eat you into a fair fight, no matter how strong they are, and allows you to advance whatever cause you have in the only arena that matters (in Gensokyo). You'd think the fairies would be good for learning from/sparring with, given that they're extremely weak for youkai and fairly amicable.
>>14412867
>It allows you to force any youkai who would otherwise eat you into a fair fight
But youkai already do not attack or eat humans from Gensokyo. What's the point in learning magic then?
>>14412859
>It's a shitty and despicable existence and I pity every single youkai out there.
Why? Sounds fine.
>>14412890
IIRC, low-class youkai still attack humans, and humans still exterminate them. Also, humans who get spirited away are fair game unless they can make it to the human village or the Hakurei Shrine.
>>14412859
>They are contained in a reservation without any hope to escape. And even if they could they probably would cease to exist in outside world.
When will this retarded secondary shit stop?
It's humans who can't leave. Youkai can and do it.
>>14412895
It may be fine for peacefull harmless youkai like for example Kogasa. But lots of other youkai can't fulfil the purpose of their existence: to do harm to humans, hurt them or even hunt and eat them. Basically youkai can't do things they usually would be able to do in outside world.
On the other hand every single person in Human Village lives the same life as if he lived in an ordinary Japanese village in 19th century. Those people wake up at 5 am, plant rice for the whole day, fuck with their wives and go to sleep. Even if those people were not restrained by Great Barrier they would not explore seas or do great inventions.
>>14412914
>Also, humans who get spirited away are fair game
I doubt it happens often enough to satisfy all youkai.
Rifles would probably honestly work. I imagine it'd be like Princess Mononoke, where you could thrash low level youkais with rifles and torch the forest and shit. Humans get out of control pretty fast.
>abloobloobloo muh gensokyo rifles won't work!
Humans would just figure out what works. Throw bodies at the youkai until you see what's the most effective, and then streamline it, focus in on what worked/didn't worked, improve and mass produce.
>>14412799
>human village
>farm animals
It's been confirmed for ages that Yukari feeds the youkai by taking people from the outside who were about to kill themselves or other such forgettn people anyway. The only human village people who get eaten are fools who get lost in the woods at night, so the young youkai who aren't so interested in the rules eat them.
>>14412957
Ah, I love it. Why does every retard who read touhouwiki just few days ago loves to boast how "primary" he is. I haven't seen a single person who uses "primary-secondary" terminology and who is not a stupid retarded fuck who knows nothing about Touhou.
Youkai CAN'T leave Gensokyo even if they wanted to. It was stated multiple times in several official sources and it was discussed in /jp/ countless times too. The only exception were zashiki-whatever who could leave Gensokyo due to Yukari's barrier manipulation.
>>14412982
>The only exception were zashiki-whatever
Oh, and the ULiL incident. Totally forgot about that.
>>14412960
Well, youkai don't need to eat people, per se. They need belief/faith, just like gods do (and in fact, gods fall under the umbrella of youkai creatures), so mostly they just need to spook the shit out of them/intimidate them through sheer power/otherwise fulfill their purpose (e.g. lily white, the aki sisters).
Danmaku is aristocratic sport fighting among youkai, a non-lethal form of conflict resolution (so nobody accidentally kills Reimu and fucks up the whole system), and a dazzling show of force to show humans who's the big shit around here all in one package, so it really is perfect for Gensokyo's ecosystem.
>>14412982
>>14412987
Well, obviously Yukari herself can come and go more or less as she pleases. Don't Nue/Mamizou also go back and forth a bit?not him, but i haven't actually gotten around to reading any of the manga
>>14412996
>Don't Nue/Mamizou also go back and forth a bit?
They certainly came in. But that's easy and humans can cross barrier from outside too. But honestly I do not remember them leaving Gensokyo. That's why I usually do not take part in canon discussion, there are shitton of things I already forgot.
>>14412813
Youkai don't work off of science, Anon. They are powered by belief.
You don't try to control and influence a zoo.
This always bothered me. Why are they okay with that kind of shitty life?
>>14413007
Technological advancements such as firearms can shatter such beliefs, gradually
>>14413007
I believe I can shoot a youkai.
I believe guns can hurt the youkai.
Your move.
>>14413024
>Why are they okay with that kind of shitty life?
Humans? If all of the /jp/ want to go to Gensokyo it means life is not that bad there. Who cares about social order if you can have sex with cute 2hus?
>>14413035
/jp/ should make a gensokyo militia
>>14413035
>If all of the /jp/ want to go to Gensokyo it means life is not that bad there
I wouldn't mind living in a zoo controlled by cute youkais
>>14413035
I hope you realise that if we arrived in any amount and came prepared. We could fuck up the whole of Gensokyo.
/k/ already has a massive data dump (covering every single topic you could want) of how to royally fuck shit up.
>>14413030
>>14413007
It's not belief, it's faith you motherfuckers.
FAITH.
You could only damage a youkai if your bullets were literally powered by the faith of God or Allah.
In fact, Daesh/ISIS would probably be much more effective at wounding youkai than your average /k/ommando who believes in rationality and logic.
And even then, it's just your faith versus what faith the youkai are backed by.
>>14413295
Be right back, gonna spread holy water on my ACP
>>14413343
shit wrong picture
>>14413343
It's not as simple as that. You might gain some power but unless you yourself have extreme devotion to your religion you might only be able to kill two-bit frog or mouse youkai.
Really, unless you're mormon or salafi or one of those crazy-ass hardcore buddhists you're fucked m8.
>>14413295
>>14413347
yeah more or less like pictured related may do shit to the Youkais
>>14413355
>>14413347
It's like a rare candy, you're going up one level probably but unless you're near or at level 92 you're still going to get your level 3 TM slave pidgey ass crushed
>>14413354
What if i believe in the power of dick?
>>14413343
I can't believe the devs are releasing dlc when they haven't even fixed the main game yet. That and they downgraded the graphics for no reason. What a load of shit.
>>14413379
good luck you're going to need it
>>14413407
Oh shit.
>>14413379
Live by the sword, die by the sword. Make sure you don't get out-dicked.
>>14413295
If all /jp/ went there the collective thinking wouldn't turn them in sluts? We should be in higher number them gensokyo humans
>>14413743
Hedonism isn't faith, unless we've all been raised as pagans.
>>14412576
Why do you think youkai started disappearing? With science and new weapons people stopped giving a fuck about them, Gensokyo is a practical example of the more popular interpretation of "God is dead".
>>14412805
If your read PMiSS there's a section where Akyuu explains how outside world people aren't afraid of youkai for some reason and let their guard down, saying she truly doesn't get it specially since they show to be piss scared of ghosts instead.
ZUN in interviews also never really talks about youkai in a good light, even in the joke onsen question he istantly discards any youkai as an option. Funny how the cute girls we see are seen as terrible monsters there.
>>14412982
Except for the fact that Mami is from the outside.
>>14413295
>>14413748
Youkais doesn't need faith, gods need faith, youkais need only belief
>>14413786
Youkai are powered by human belief. They started to disappear when humans stopped believing that they exist.
It had nothing to do with weapons. Shitty cannon fodder youkai can be killed even with swords and bows. But the more powerful ones like every single boss in Touhou can't even be harmed by normal weapons.
>>14412982
It was stated multiple times in many places by ZUN that youkai can breach the barrier and do it quite regularly to hunt in the outside world.
>>14412982
>Because of the youkai's civilization of magic, the youkai grew to be powerful enough to freely open even the Great Barrier sealing Gensokyo.
>Nonetheless, the main diet of youkai is, of course, humans.
>Natural products are especially popular. Food-gathering teams would go out at regular intervals to hunt humans. Of course, the youkai couldn't let the humans know that they were on to them. Under the guise of various accidents and incidents of people running away from home, the youkai hunted humans. A simple missing person would barely even make the news; meanwhile, the humans living in the human world only multiplied.
Yeah, secondary shit right?
Kasen couldn't leave since she's new in Gensokyo and doesn't know how to do it. And cannot ask other youkai since she's pretending that she's not one of them.
>>14413859
Thinking yukari isn't involved with this... Reimu said even when they went to the moon they didn't leave gensokyo barrier...
>>14413793
>If your read PMiSS there's a section where Akyuu explains how outside world people aren't afraid of youkai for some reason and let their guard down, saying she truly doesn't get it specially since they show to be piss scared of ghosts instead.
Because youkai often take a human form, while ghosts look like what people expect ghosts to look like. More recent works show a variety of conventional non-humanlike youkai, but at the time of PMiSS pretty much everything shown looked human-ish.
Keine and Mokou would protect them!
>>14412500
You forget, all the protagonists and the religious leaders (even youkai loving Reimu and Byakuren) need the human village. There's also Keine protecting the village as well.
>>14413095
What would post-/jp/ Gensokyo look like?
>>14412810
Anarchy is pretty much defined by the existence of multiple factions cooperating without any sort of government. The primacy of the individual is more important than the primacy of the collective. Individuals can freely associate, but such association is bound by the liberty of one person, not by the government.
Gensokyo is an anarchist utopia, but the root of it is the ability of a large amount of people to magical nuke, and this is not something reproducible in real life. Though if somehow people gained the ability to fly at Mach 2 and launch lasers from their first, anarchy is the only sane answer. It is easy to put the primacy of the individual first when the individual can shoot your tanks with magic lasers.
>>14413910
So like Big Boss's vision of the world where everyone has a Metal Gear?
Won't Gensokyo and the Youkai cease to exist if the human village stops believing in them?
>>14413850
>>14413859
High-level comment: This was in PCB's prologue, way back when ZUN's mental image of Gensokyo was barely formed at all. Many things in that prologue have become silently retconned or ignored entirely moving on in the series, like the motivations behind constructing the Great Barrier, how it was made, noting that most humans that pop into Gensokyo cannot go back, etc. The comments on Gensokyo there are not good sources.
>>14412982
>>14412987
>>14412996
>>14413005
Youkai generally don't have an easy time leaving Gensokyo to the Outside, while it's likely quite easy to enter in order for youkai to migrate well. It's not common. Conversely, humans have a hard time entering Gensokyo. Mamizou notes she had Gensokyo's Power Stone in her possession, so it's pretty clear she uses this to travel. We don't strictly know if Nue went Outside to contact Mamizou, it's kind of unclear.
The zashiki-warashi were sort of a special case to explain meta, as they "travelled" to the Outside to take advantage of "popularity". The commentary here is that people in the Outside started putting their faith in them as a fad, and "the zashiki-warashi helped the humans" and "the humans had faith that the zashiki-warashi were to credit" are equivalent statements.
>>14413867
>Reimu said even when they went to the moon they didn't leave gensokyo barrier...
The core of what is meant here is that they never left the realm of the fantastic. Similarly, when Yukari goes to the Lunar Capital, she doesn't pass through the outside world, it's a fantastical moon. This line was kind of a softball for ZUN's establishing of more fantastical worlds like the Dream World (or Heaven, Higan, the Netherworld, Former Hell, etc), all of which he's calling 異界.
>>14413295
>>14413354
What are you talking about? All those youkai are the same youkai/monsters from japanese (or western) folklore and they share the same set of vulnerabilities unless ZUN explicitly states otherwise. It's not about faith or even belief, it's about commonly accepted definition of a certain youkai. Like for example you can't kill Reimilia with a riffle, because vampires can't be killed with ordinary weapons by definition. At the same time a simple wooden stick would do it. Then we have Yoshika. She is a zombie (kinda) and a single headshot would kill her.
>>14412859
>even mightiest lions and tigers are powerless. All the animals are completely restrained in the cages and thus harmless
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Zoo_tiger_attacks#Events_surrounding_the_second_attack
And then there are some that actually WANT to go there.
Might as well go fuck themselves with a tunnel bore
>>14412500
>A ruler emerging from within the human village
Isn't this essentially what Miko wanted to become, before being gently told to piss off by Kanako and Byakushit?
>>14414794
I still want to go there, I don't care if I will never talk to the 2hus, I just want to open a little restaurant and live a cozy life.
I'd call the restaurant "Japanese bird".
>>14413952
>The zashiki-warashi were sort of a special case to explain meta
Wasn't it as simple as "people in the Outside World began believing in zashiki-warashi again, enabling them to exist outside of Gensokyo" - or, perhaps, if not "exist," then "live safely without fear of vanishing one day?"
>>14414848
Yeah, Yukari explained it simple: our world needed them, since our world's "desires" take priority over Gensokyo they had to go back for the time the fad was a thing, then they eventually came back once the need of having them went away.
>>14413903
Nothing that anyone would be happy with.
>>14414857
>our world's "desires" take priority over Gensokyo
Stop taking those translations literally. Especially when sometimes they are so poorly worded.
The point is Gensokyo is small and limited, it cannot fit all the youkai. And suddenly it turns out that zashiki-warashi became popular outside. So Yukari just sent them there in hope they will be able to stay there and even strengthen believes in supernatural stuff in outside world.
It kinda reminds me about current situation in EU with refugees.
>>14414891
>The point is Gensokyo is small and limited, it cannot fit all the youkai.
Oh sorry, I didn't know I was talking with the person in charge of measuring the geography of Gensokyo. My bad. Say hello to Yukari for me when you meet her.
Hello this is Zun you are all wrong
>>14415145
Prove it
>>14412844
>howtomakeanAKwithonlyashovelandanAK.jpg
>>14415168
I like beer and cute girls.
>>14415133
But that's exactly what Yukari said in the very same WaHH page which that guy tried to explain.
/x/ here.
You guys do realize that you're the ones who are giving the youkai and by extension all of Gensokyo huge quantities of energy ever passing day, right? Every time one of you masturbates to a Touhou you're essentially just giving the thoughtform that happens to be that very same Touhou all of the energy created through the sexual tension. It's a little like Fate/Stay Night with the whole 'mana transfer' thing in a way.
I'm pretty sure by now it is indisputable that Gensokyo exists if it hadn't already.
You guys don't stand a chance against those cute girls you love so much.
>>14415394
>/x/ here.
Stopped reading here, back to your tarot card generals.
>>14415394
Fuck off /x/ you are high on shrooms again
>>14415394
If that was true Yukari would organize a factory for mass producing 2hu doujins. All youkai would be forced to learn how to draw and they would make lots of H doujinshis so we can fap more and make them even stronger. But it's not happening.
>>14415394
Good. I have nothing against Youkai conquering humanity.
>>14415394
>/x/
opinion discarded
>>14415394
>implying this is a bad thing in any way, shape, or form
>>14413024
Its not a shitty life. Think of a country life with some health and entertainment options available
>>14415394
What if I only fap to human 2hus?
>>14415549
What the actual shit?
>>14417131
Not him, but who doesn't want humanity to be ruled by cute and sexy monsters?
>>14417248
Don't believe Zun lies.
>>14417351
Are you saying he's in on it too? Just look at this fine lady, she wouldn't unnecessarily harm you.
>>14414848
Yep, that's basically what I said. The main point was that the whole chapter was constructed around this idea of illustrating that youkai thriving in Outside faith, and them leaving Gensokyo to enact their youkai purpose, mean the same thing. So, using zashiki-warashi as an example of youkai that went back Outside isn't very strong as this was an exception made just to present this story.
>>14414857
Mm, not really? It was a move to empower the youkai. It just so happens that the purpose of the zashiki-warashi is to help humans.
>>14417131
Personally I'll work on becoming a youkai myself so it's all I've wished for. My humanity is not important to me.
>>14418301
How absolutely heretical, you should be beaten to death
>>14412601
HFY is shit though. Literally jerking off over other people's accomplishments.
>>14412656
>She's a youkai to her core, an extremely old and powerful one with complex motives
That's going a bit far. It's only Aya-san, the Tengu Closest to Home. She's not nearly as old or powerful as Gensokyo's heavy hitters, like Yuuka or Yukari. I'd say she's definitively upper-mid tier.
>>14418349
‘Literally’?
>>14412961
>Humans would just figure out what works. Throw bodies at the youkai until you see what's the most effective, and then streamline it, focus in on what worked/didn't worked, improve and mass produce.
The miko is effective and that's about it.
>>14418325
I have already been betrayed by humanity. I care not.
>>14418357
I'm quoting myself.
Speaking of Touhous and guns, what about Sumireko's 3D printed gun? It's pretty powerful seeing its damage in ULiL, and don't give me that shit about using the spell card rules since she obviously didn't know anything about Gensokyo before entering.
>>14418451
>It's pretty powerful seeing its damage in ULiL
It's a gameplay mechanic, evidently. Note that even when she shoots the humans no medical attention is required.
>>14412805
>almost gave our cute librarian a heart attack
...and that's why Remilia ordered shitloads of 50-caliber semi-auto Danmakus for every1 living @ the mansion.
From Amazon, no less.
Should arriove by xmas...
>>14413024
Complete and undeniable proof of the existence of Heaven and Hell in the afterlife will probably change your views on life as well
>>14412500
Soon these people will rise against their oppressors the Youkai, the barriers will be broken! no human shall fear anymore for their life, because they will be free, free from
the claws of the youkai federation whose souls are weighed down by gravity!
That's why we'll throw the moon capital into the heart of gensokyo causing a full restart
of this abomination infested world.
And after the youkai are gone we will finally have peace.SIEG ZEON, SIEG ZEON
>>14416658
Don't forget the most important thing,
Once in a while you might see your favorite 2hu walking by or something(Depending on who your favorite2hu is)
>>14418301
>>14418371
Don't forget the black-white witch. IIRC though, the village actually has a monster-hunting squad that use relatively conventional weapons, they're just for dealing with the trash-tier youkai who don't follow the rules and attack humans (and are thus weak enough to be vulnerable to conventional weapons).
What's effective varies depending on the youkai in question, really. Vampires have a laundry list of well documented ones, for instance, though which ones are actually applicable seems to vary (the Scarlets aren't bothered at all by the common crucifix (though this may have to be wielded by someone of true faith), but are vulnerable to the somewhat less common running water (so much so it applies to heavy rain), and the rather esoteric fish heads on holly branches). Other examples include tsukumogami being said to be repelled by electricity, and oni being chased out of buildings using fried beans and a chant.
>>14418356
>not nearly as old
She's in the 1000+ y/o bracket with Yukari, Tewi, and the immortals; the only ones older than that lot are the Moriya Shrine godesses at ~2500 (unless you believe that Eirin really is 6 million years old)
>>14419458
Two words: Youkai Magician.
>>14412500
>>14412656
Older Youkai are always scary scary.
>>14419813
How many times do I need to repeat you? Stop posting this shitty translation. Especially since there is a properly translated version.
>>14419830
Just post the proper translation, then, senpai, if this rustle your jimmies so much.
>>14419830
post the new translation
>>14419835
>>14419838
The link is on fucking touhouwiki, how hard is it to find it, you retards?
>>14419841
there's no need to be upset
>>14419841
Isn't it the same? Gaku just has better scans.
>>14419863
Completely different wording.
Every time >>14419813 translation is posted there are people who understand it incorrectly (like for example: >>14414857.) or don't understand it at all (>>13602485, one of the first results in archive search for this image). And then I saw lots of people who though that Yukari sent zashiki-warashi to lure more humans into Gensokyo. And few people who post this few pages as a proof that youkai hunt and eat people from outside. And then all these people go to my "I want to fuck x 2hu" threads and start shitting them with their "canon" bullshit.
>>14419939
Anon, that translation also do imply that they eat humans.
>>14419939
>And few people who post this few pages as a proof that youkai hunt and eat people from outside
Not like that page is even needed for that. You have ZUN saying that by himself on more than one occasions.
>>14416679
Then you're still fulling Gensokyo's existence as a whole.
>>14415404
Tarot card generals are shit
>>14419939
That pages still implies they eat humans.
Also even if that page didn't exists it has already been said many types of youkai need to eat them, in fact there's the whole vampire thing and the protection of the human village.
Friendly remainder that the barrier exist to protect Youkai first and foremost and that the humans living inside were in a way "donated" by us to sustain them.
Of course the Youkai leaders need to protect their interests and carefully watch over the human village, it's like a little furnace that gives them the heat they need to survive.
>>14419939
It's open to interpretation, it either means Yukari is luring humans from the outside into Gensokyo or that her ultimate plan is to get Youkai to live in the outside world again.
Random remark:
How many touhous can leave Gensokyo, and how strong in general are they? I know Mamizou can, Yukari and her familiars can because Yukari, Kasen could punch a hole in the barrier temporarily (albeit only after cracks had formed in it), what else?
>>14420194
Any of the humans.
>>14418371
The Miko's job is not to protect the humans inside but rather the humans outside by doing the same thing Youkai do with the human village, but with the Youkai (keeping them controlled).
>>14420194
How the barrier exactly works is a mystery, but it is known indeed some youkai can go through it somehow, I doubt it's based on strenght or anything. It's more about willpower maybe, the ones who can survive the outside world can probably move at will or something.
For example Rinnosuke ended up there once but he almost faded away if it wasn't for Yukari.
>>14420215
Didn't one of the instrument youkai from DDC's 4th stage make it out into the real world and not instantly combust from sheer paradox?
>>14420194
By "easy and thoroughly explained means" only Yukari and Mamizou, though it's been constantly implied the barrier is at certain points weak and unstable from both sides, so in theory almost anyone can cross it from either side given certain special circumstances.
>>14420231
Yeah, Raiko even convinced herself she uses the power of modern musicians and switched drumset.
>>14420231
Raiko, aka the least notable and powerful EX stage boss in Touhou history.
Literally so boring and forgotten the barrier actually let her through from the Gensokyo side back into the real world.
>>14419939
that translation is garbage
>>14420259
>Being this assblasted
>>14420267
It's true. The most recent popularity poll had her below literally every other EX stage boss, and by a pretty significant margin.
Koishi: 1st
Flandre: 5th
Mokou: 8th
Yukari: 17th
Suwako: 33rd
Ran: 36th
Nue: 38th
Mamizou: 48th
Raiko: 63rd
Objective proof.
>>14420289
This is sad, I think Raiko was a pretty cool character.
We will see nearly no fan art/work with her thanks to her being so unpopular.
>>14420289
So Koishi is objectively the best character ever right?
>>14420297
That's because Raiko hasn't done anything, had little connection to the plot of the game she appeared in, and hasn't been fleshed out in anything else.
>>14420297
>implying she isn't drumming in the real world
>>14420023
I can't believe people pretend the entire vampire pact thing don't exist.
>>14420298
My dick sure thinks so.
>>14420325
Mami got the most spotlight out of the EX bosses that are not Yukari and she's still not popular at all.
>>14420327
I want to drum with Raiko.
>>14420325
So she's kind of like Flan? Who's one of the most popular 2hus.
>>14420205
The only thing she does is play her part when a incident happens just to keep the whole belief thing going.
Some schmuck (or a hundred) from the outside world are killed? Lol who cares?
>>14420325
No, the real issue is Raiko is actually level-headed and cool-minded, as well as having modern world ties.
She's too normal to be popular
>>14420400
>modern world ties
What does wearing ties have to do with popularity
>>14420410
What are you talking about, she has no clothing ties. I mean the fact she's being powered by modern-world musicians.
She's a youkai taking faith from modern society and doesn't really blend in
>>14419991
>>14420023
Actually I meant that some people use these pages as a proof that youkai [go to outside world] to hunt and eat humans. We already know from PMiSS that some youkai eat humans so there is no point to prove that again. But they do can't go outside for that.
Also even this page does not say anything about humans. Yukari's dialogue may also mean that youkai do not have enough spiritual food (faith/believe) in Gensokyo.
>>14420173
>it either means Yukari is luring humans from the outside into Gensokyo or that her ultimate plan is to get Youkai to live in the outside world again.
This WaHH chapter implies only the latter. Zashiki-warashi don't even eat humans. And I can't imagine how moving them to outside could help in luring people to Gensokyo (especially since it's not zashiki-warashi's role).
>>14420263
Where is your version? That line was reposted and discussed like million times here and that's one of the variants majority can agree with.
Do humans eat weak youkai?
>>14420234
Raiko moved to outside world too, but that was because she wasn't a fully formed youkai and had almost no conscious. Which would imply that Koishi probably may cross barrier too when she is in full "unconscious" mode.
>>14420442
Not sure about japanese folklore, but in west any monster or supernatural being almost always has poisonous meat.
>>14420442
If they perceive some benefit
>>14420442
I don't remember where it's said but eating a youkai should turn you into one. So it should be forbidden
>>14420372
Flandre
>has been around forever
>has those bizarre wings making her stand out
>is "crazy XDDD"
>is a magnet for powerlevel arguments
>>14420429
Raiko is wearing a tie, you nincompoop.in other news I think I might be falling in love with her welp
>>14420693
You fool, leave the board before it's too late
Once you fall in love with a Touhou, there's no escape
>>14420842
But I want toplay the drums with her, I can't just ignore it
>>14420894
Listen closely.
If you keep down this road, you will end up with a waifu, and it will slowly consume your success and social life (or possibly your literal life).
What do you think of doing when you think of Raiko?
>>14420389
She does incident solving as a living but her main purpose is to be the guardian of the Hakurei shrine, this implies she is a fail safe mechanism in case the Gensokyo youkai go wild and try to get outside their cage.
>>14420431
> I can't imagine how moving them to outside could help in luring people to Gensokyo
Humans that believe in Youkai are prime targets to get "spirited away" to Gensokyo, Youkari could be trying to reinforce human faith in the paranormal by allowing Zashiki-warashi outside.
>>14421318
>>14420389
Reimu's job is protecting the balance of Gensokyo, for both humans and youkai. It's true that she kicks the butt of any youkai being a little too smug and protect humans, but at the same time exterminating a youkai is good for the youkai in question too.
>>14421379
She also exterminates humans that might want to turn to the Youkai side.
>>14421379
But who employs Reimu as a balance keeper?
The existence of Gensokyo only benefits Youkai, but she is obviously not employed by Youkai to do this job.
I Reimu truly neutral? Would she side with the human villagers given the chance?
grimsokyo fags never trully played the games.
Gensokyo have complex rules of fighting were nobody get really hurt. Even when it's big incident, all is resolved by this rules.
Yes some yokai eat people. And i'am pretty sure some humans must be doing nasty things like rape too. But it's not the focus.
Touhou project it's not white wolf World of Darkness. Look a the artistic direction, some light hearthed endings, the poetry of story like PFB.
The more recent games make more and more refendre to faith/desire/dream or kind of spiritual food.
>>14421340
>Humans that believe in Youkai are prime targets to get "spirited away" to Gensokyo
And what's the source of this claim?
Even though ZUN uses the whole "evil human eating youkai" concept he is still very soft about it. Humans that are supposedly eaten by youkai are usually either bad (i.e. criminals) or they want to commit sudoku.
>>14421486
Secret Sealing Club
>>14421486
How convenient.
>>14421243
Hugging her with her permission. Just giving her a big hug and hopefully putting a smile on her face.
On topic, I feel like Gensokyo is generally an okay place to live, with the caveat that the lack of modern technology would drive everyone here off the deep end relatively quickly. I would not last very long there for instance before I went insane due to a lack of video games and internet to divert my attention.
To outsiders, it's probably horrifying to imagine, but to those who're used to it it's perfectly fine.
>>14421520
Has it been stated how Sumireko esper power works? Does it also have to do with faith?
>>14420259
>Literally so boring and forgotten the barrier actually let her through from the Gensokyo side back into the real world.
>>14421574
It's just black magic and cheap trickery. What is interesting is that she eventually found a way travel to Gensokyo in dreams, meaning that Maribel wasn't born with a special ability.
>>14422058
Maribel can see boundaries, remember? Her whole family can. Post-TGA she can even put her hands on peoples' eyes to show them visions of things.
Sumireko's travel is something to do with doppelgangers.
>>14421530
Thanks to your post, I imagined the average /jp/ poster arriving in Gensokyo only to lock himself up in a room and proceed to go insane without his touhou doujinshi, games and other autists on the internet because he'd rather die than go outside into fucking Gensokyo. It would be sad if it wasn't so hilarious.
>>14422102
>>14422058
Is Maribel ability ESP related like Sumireko's?
>>14422145
Her ability could be classified as Astral projection which is in fact an Esper-like ability.
>>14412500
>"The humans would surely begin to mercilessly break Gensokyo's rules."
Seems like they're making excuses for wanting to curry the favor of the human village. How tsundere.
>>14422128
Imagine if Raiko got onto /jp/. Or Yukari.
None of us would ever be the wiser
>>14420551
This is a commentary on cannibals being seen as monsters. If you eat a youkai you might as well be considered one yourself due to the power, mentality, and grotesqueness involved.
>>14421318
Solving incidents and protecting the Barrier are kind of indirectly the same thing.
>>14421340
>[Yukari] could be trying to reinforce human faith in the paranormal by allowing Zashiki-warashi outside
In the sense that humans gaining faith in zashiki-warashi = zashiki-warashi raising their influence, yes that's exactly what it means.
>>14421422
Personal sense of duty, for one.
>>14421437
She's supposed to be on the side of humans but is basically neutral. She might side with the humans in her actions and demeanor but her being neutral is what's considered strange. There's a reason it's called the youkai shrine.
>>14419629
I would argue that that Yukari's age is literally unpredictable due to gap shinanigans and possibly coming from the future but not really, but thats just me.
>>14423696
>This is a commentary on cannibals being seen as monsters. If you eat a youkai you might as well be considered one yourself due to the power, mentality, and grotesqueness involved.
Though youkais aren't humans.
It's no different than killing a marauding bear and then eat it as a form of ritual "Fuck you nature! Humans best!"
>>14423764
Also forgot:
In some cultures it was believed that eating your enemy would give you his power and skills (a more extreme way of "You are what you eat")
>>14422181
I don't think you can bring things back with astral projection though
>>14423696
>Personal sense of duty
Who gave Reimu this duty? Humans or Youkai? Is she doing it for Gensokyo as a whole?
>>14425463
>as a whole
as a whore*
>>14424228
I'm not an expert in this topic, but I think there are certain theories that support the hypothesis that the astral plane can overlap with the physical realm so you can actually get physically harmed or bring back objects.
>>14425463
The role of the Hakurei Shrine seems to favor youkai more than humans, but it's also true that Reimu is the one who turned murder into nice firework fights.
>>14425520
I think it's less favoring youkai and more that youkai need more personal management on Reimu's part to keep Gensokyo stable.
>>14425520
Yukari is the one behind danmaku, Reimu was just somehow influenced by her.
>>14412867
>You know, Gensokyo only exists because humans DID expand out of control, and DID nearly drive youkai to extinction. I'd think them worrying about humans growing too powerful is entirely justified.
yep, it really boils down to this after you get over the initial shock.
>>14414838
She always wanted to chill, read WaHH when Kasen goes to her palace. She quite literally says "Well I wanted just to enjoy my life but people kept coming asking for guidance so as a hermit I have a duty to fulfill"
Aren't most humans in human village full of 'fantasy' power as well?
>>14422058
>cheap trickery
she moves both her and renko 'dream bodies' to TORIFUNE, not trickery.
>>14426439
Talking about Sumireko's "esper" powers there buddy, which might or might not be related to Maribel's, whose ability might or might not be ESP related.
I'm not sure if ULiL makes a distinction between magic and ESP, also I don't think it's explained what causes a human to develop such powers.
>>14414838
>>14426370
In both SoPM and WaHH Miko would rather that leadership come out of the humans naturally, but seems willing to become a leader herself in the meantime, just to help improve the current state of the human village. It's probably difficult for her to be too active though, with every other major faction seeming to want to maintain things as they are.
>>14415394
So if I masturbate to my waifu enough, she will become real?
>>14426702
Yes, in another dimension.
>>14426684
>>14426370
Then the course is clear. We help our GLORIOUS ADMINISTRATOR overthrow the youkai overlords.
>>14427345
GOD-ADMINISTRATOR OF MANKIND
>>14422181
Can I travel to Gensokyo through meditation?
>>14427345
The real questions aren't being asked yet:How much alcohol would you need to drink in order to outdrink an oni
>>14430071
Only if you stop breathing.
Perhaps the Tengu should try conquering the human village with swimsuit calendars.
>>14430880
http://bunbunmaru-np.com/2016calendar/
You mean you haven't bought your tengu calendar yet?
>>14413024
Most youkai are not harming human, friendly even. They confine humans within the village because without these puny humans youkai can't exist. I'm pretty sure all the tales of youkai actually eating human are also exaggerated to keep the humans at bay. When some actually do eat humans, people like Reimu will get rid of them.
What they need is the human fear and belief to feed on. So there is no actual danger in living in Gensokyo for the most part. For simple uneducated peasants that is much better than whatever world they came from. Of course if they knew of modern Japan they may want some of that instead, but perhaps not really. They can live a life of ease and no peer pressure in Gensokyo.
>>14431055
So do youkai actually need fear or just belief?
>>14431055
Youkai please go, this is a human image board
>>14412500
And if humans start overpowering the Youkai or Youkai kill off the humans, Gensokyo ceases to exist. The whole region is about balance, one side tipped too much and the whole damned thing falls apart.
>>14431092
They mainly exist out of belief but they also need to feed from fear, they really don't need to eat actual physical food to survive.
>>14430219
How many livers would you need
>>14432326
It's different between youkai species, if they legend says a said species eat humans, so most likely it does... Also the stronger aren't so much dependent on humans
>>14412500
>Wow, human village once again confirmed to be nothing more than a Zoo.
Replace "zoo" with "cattle ranch" and you are spot on
>>14434408
Sorry, but we do not discuss Zounose doujinshis in this thread.
>>14432326
I haven't really seen anything to suggest that they require fear any more than humans require ice cream. They might enjoy it, but don't require it.
That and it seems like the older youkai are the less they depend on humans in that manner.
Finally, as the other anon points out, it varies from species to species. Some people like to assume that all youkai require fear and all youkai eat humans which makes no sense considering how wildly they vary.
>>14434743
>I haven't really seen anything to suggest that they require fear any more than humans require ice cream.
The race of the yabamiko scum got wiped out because someone started explaining echo doesn't come from retarded looking dogs but from how the sound waves act.
It's true the fact that elite youkai don't require belief/fear etc to survive anymore though (notable example is Yuuka's article in PMiSS).
>>14434809
>The race of the yabamiko scum got wiped out because someone started explaining echo doesn't come from retarded looking dogs but from how the sound waves act.
That's belief, not fear. And yes, the outside world doesn't believe in youkai and magic.
But that is different from being inside Gensokyo and knowing for a fact that yamabiko exist while at the same time echoes don't come from them.
Finally, I am making a distinction between belief and fear here. I believe youkai in Gensokyo could continue to exist so long as humans have belief even if they don't fear them.
I'd say that a lack of ignorance about echoes might prevent new yamabiko from forming, but it won't make Kyouko vanish in a puff of logic so long as her existence is known.
>>14434872
>I believe youkai in Gensokyo could continue to exist so long as humans have belief even if they don't fear them.
Depends on youkai. Imagine a "monster under the bed" youkai. The one who grabs children legs, drags them under the bed and murders them. The very definition of this monster is that it's extremely dangerous and thus should be feared. If some kid is not afraid of this monster it means he doesn't believe in it. Or that he believes in a "non-dangerous" version of monster or basically in a completely different youkai.
>>14434905
I consider it a matter of believing in the idea that formed a youkai versus the youkai that was formed from the idea. That seems like it would have two different consequences as I mentioned previously.
>>14434905
Continuing my previous post:
Let me put this another way using Kyouko as an example again.
Let's say (since I'm not sure of how canon this is) Kyouko is really well known around Gensokyo because of her rock band with Mystia. Human children know her and love the music. Their parents know her too but not nearly so positively.
If all of the humans learned that echoes have nothing to do with youkai, would Kyouko vanish like the rest of her kind, or would she continue to exist as normal because she, as an individual, is so well known by humans?
>>14434872
>And yes, the outside world doesn't believe in youkai and magic.
No, I'm referring the yamabiko got extinct even in Gensokyo. The stupid doggy saved herself changing "aspiration in life" and becoming a student of Byakuren.
Source is her profile and her article on SoPM.
Anyway yeah, youkai aren't so different from gods, they both rely on this kind of "belief" from humans, difference is that gods rely on what we call "faith" while youkai rely from fear or belief about mythical explanation of certain phenomena and some apparently also need physical human meat as far as we know from the hints Yukari gave us there and there.
>>14434983
Maybe she will lose her echoing abilities and become youkai of punk rock.
>>14435016
Well apparently it's fluid enough that, as you said, Kyouko could prevent herself from vanishing by taking action on her own rather than due to some external influence.
>>14434983
Their rock band is not well known among humans, and most likely don't even know the name of the members or what kind of youkai they are.
Apparently even a puny human can become a god if enough people worship it, so if enough people were to know Kyouko and fear/hate/like her I assume she would be able to sustain herself aside from all other yamabiko.
>>14435098
>Their rock band is not well known among humans, and most likely don't even know the name of the members or what kind of youkai they are.
I know that. I was presenting a hypothetical scenario.
>>14435016
I don't think carnivorous Youkai actually "need" human flesh to survive, they are essentially non living creatures so they don't survive from food and water.
They just exist to terrorize humans and so they "eat" them to fulfill this purpose, so it's more like fighting, which Yukari also said is essential for Youkai survival. They fight using spell card rules and eat only the humans Yukari provides, which might or might not be actual people from the outside.
>>14412500
More less a zoo, more like a spot of natural resources
>>14412656
it´s more like she working under orders of the big boss tenma, and gain some power (?) in the tengu society acting as a spy in the human village
>>14412859
in other words the youkais are spiritual parasities of humans and the same time are predators of ours....wew lad
>>14412747
>Anarchism and communism are identical
Uh, yeah, try telling that to Bakunin and Marx.
>>14413024
first, almost all don't know any better that his actual state of life and is slightly better that their homologous of the 19th century mostly medicine and some goods of the other side
second and continue of the first, the situation and other things (aside of "importations") coming from outside doesn´t matters them, because of this and although exist ONE person capable to read all of this info from "real world"maybe the reason because kosusu is the MCshow no interest in understand it
and third but not less important, the main reason of the fortune teller death happened because he isn't conform with his live and he wanna anything better, maybe if he decide to leave gensokyo instead would survive
>>14413903
a wasteland
>>14413295
is faith vs fear actually
>>14415394
and the 2hu is slowly recline anyways, in 50 years almost all believing in this place will become irrelevant due of so few people remember it
>>14412500
that's true because a human can't really lead humans, same like humans who lead cattle, are doing much better job than their own kind.
>>14418301
say hello to the adivine teller for me in the afterlive
>>14420194
yuuka in the future (?)
>>14420215
the barrier is more like an invagination in the form of dimention pocket from the spirit world in the real one and somewhat insolated of both
>>14438545
>a human can't really lead humans
this thinking is why we need taoism
>>14420389
and after all of so many incidents in the current century almost nobody remember it, aside the religious war
>>14438563
Why in the future?
>>14417351
I believe in youkai too, I don't have self-made shrines worshiping them or make any rituals, but I do believe in them.
>>14415543
Do you think this is really a matter for her? Who do you think she is?
>>14438545
>a human can't really lead humans
>>14438917
it´s confusing because that happend in seihou 2 when yuuka go outside an even in the space
Did Kasen's interest in going outside of the barrier ever turn up anything after ULiL?
/jp/ is a zoo to keep nerds in, not keep bullies out. Hope none of you fell for the joke.
Translations... eventually.
>>14427345
MIKO IS OUR GLORIOUS LEADER!
DOWN WITH THE YOUKAI OVERLORDS
