Who mahjong otaku here? Let's get some games started on Tenhou like the good old times.
http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447
I brought my mahjong set to college, but no one knew how to play.
Waiting on two more.
>>14189494
Does your school have a Japanese culture club? They might know.
>>14189599
I'm already in four clubs, I can't fit more.
I heard they have shogi, so I kinda feel bad.
I don't own a shogi set or go set.
I'd use tenhou, but it requires Adobe Flash.
>>/a/131920831
I thought Akagi was about gamble. I watch the live action movie.
>>14194851
Why was Akagi drawn in a way to make everybody purposely ugly?
>>14195400
FKMT's art is more expressive that way. It wouldn't be the same with bishounen or cute girls.
>>14189471
need one more person
>>14195792
Not everyone has Adobe Flash.
>>14195400
Because otherwise you'd get saki
no one wants saki
>>14189471
I forgot how tenhou works, what button do I press again to join?
>>14195529
>It wouldn't be the same with bishounen or cute girls.
So, what you're saying is that you haven't read anything of his that isn't Akagi?
>>14195865
I've read Kurosawa and Kaiji. So, what's your point?
That was a long ass game
Also a fucking frustrating one for me. Not a single bit of drawing luck outside of one tsumo
I've been training against AI for a while to get the hang of the yaku.
But I have the feeling that I don't know what to make of the discarded tiles of others.
I guess If there's 3-4 of the same tile there I need to stop waiting for it, I guess.
But I don't know jack shit about predicting the other hands.
Is there any mahjong game in English so I can learn this shit?
>>14196265
http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html
http://www.ofb.net/~whuang/ugcs/gp/mahjong/mahjong.html
I hope you find this helpful.
>>14196372
Thanks. Seems complicated. This is going to take awhile.
>>14196260
just some simple tips from a noob
>be wary if someone discards only 2 different suit
>no one is tossing one particular dragon/wind past mid game
>someone discards middle tiles early on and chi/pon honor tiles
>any opened hand
>most common waits are two sided, some are lucky to have three, making it more difficult to toss safely. be wary of 1/4, 2/5, 3/6, 4/7, 5/8, 6/9 traps. in the case if riichi, middle tiles and pairs wait takes into effect
>if someone riichi and you are two or more tiles away for tenpai, it's best to give it up and play it safe
>>14195799
http://tenhou.net/3/beta.html
I don't know if you can join private lobbies with this yet though.
>>14196260
Predicting the other hands with any certainty is mostly snakeoil. Don't worry about it now.
The best place to learn how to get good is justanotherjapanesemahjongblog (google it)
Just slowly make your way through that and you'll be great in no time.
7447 still got people in it, or is thread dead?
>>14197599
>1:0
>>14197618
We 3:0 now.
And we're liev
every time i have a good hand some fucker has the dragons
>>14197783
That's the way it is sadly.
>>14197783
Every time I have a good hand some faggot deals a dangerous tile and goes under. It's happened the last two games I've played.
>>14197792
Maybe it's spite?
>>14197783
>>14197792
tanoshii isn't it?
>>14197797
One maybe, but the other was a close game and he dealt into a very obvious chanta. I believe he was just stupid.
>3:4
Thanks for that game. Another?
>>14197802
I just started playing yesterday and I'm already mad at people. Very tanoshii.
>>14197818
Delinquent Mahjong thread?
>>14197050
might want to add this after that last few games:
>when the dealer riichi, abandon all hope
Thanks for those two games. Wish I wasn't falling asleep during the second. See you fags next time
>>14197954
Thanks
>>14197384
That's a gold mine of info. Thank you.
I guess I'll go with defence theory first.
Do you guys know any irc chatrooms?
>>14198869
The only ones I know are #lmc and #t/a/noshii on Rizon.
>>14197818
Learn how to not put down winning tiles if someone is in riichi, even if you're in tenpai or close to tenpai. At least when I first started out I was stubborn as fuck and kept trying to complete my hand before they did, and I always put down their winning tile without fail. Learn to back down and aim to draw for the round. If they complete a hand that has a lot of yaku, it will fuck you over for the rest of the game.
![0fc17576740c8ddef0a8b66f37b06e6f[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/9CTA3Ji.jpg "0fc17576740c8ddef0a8b66f37b06e6f[1].png")
What could've been
>>14199303
I appreciate the tips, but read the conversation. I was complaining about others dealing in to obvious hands.
>>14199583
Rank up on Tenhou so you can play against people that don't suck.
I started playing four days ago, and I'm working through that mahjong blog posted before.
I keep forgetting all the yaku and yakuman hands, so I lose a lot of chances before I can think, since you only have 12 seconds per move on the client I use. Plus, I can never tell what hands my opponents are working on, unless they open them, and even then I can't figure it out most of the times, outside of going "He discarded that so it's a safe tile"
>>14200515
Play against some AI
Try saikyou no mahjong
>>14200550
How would that help?
Mahjong is primarily about reading other people, wouldn't I learn all the wrong 'patterns' of reading other people if I was playing robots?
>>14200561
You're learning the Yaku, right?
It's just a way of sandboxing with more time.
>>14200515
>Plus, I can never tell what hands my opponents are working on, unless they open them, and even then I can't figure it out most of the times, outside of going "He discarded that so it's a safe tile"
And you're not going to be able to until you have lots and lots of experience. Just focus on one step at a time.
how do you set up good waits? I lose 50 iq points whenever the riichi button appears and I have to choose my discard. what else should I look for besides series like 3334 and 23456?
>>14200693
Most of the time you'll have ryanmen (23, 45, 78, etc) waits. Look for those.
Where can I find clubs and players? I live in southern California, so you would think there'd be tons but I can't seem to find any
Whether it's college clubs, craigslist, online forums, tournaments... Nothing!
Anyone in the irvine area want to play irl?
>>14200715
I know about that but what about 3+ sided waits? when I see characters talk about 5 or 6 sided waits in saki I have to stare at the page for 5 minutes just to figure out what the winning tiles are.
>>14200561
Play offline until you memorize the yaku. How are you supposed to discern hands if you don't even know what kind of hands they could be aiming for? Don't try to be Akagi until you've got the basics down.
You're on the right track kind of since you're learning about betaori. Remember this however: It's far more important to know when and why to defend than knowing how to defend. There will be lots of talk about different kinds of suji and all that shit, but what you need is to make use of furiten and the basic suji.
That and tile efficiency are all you need to go from being shit-tier to intermediate. Do not try to play in a half-assed way where you don't go full defense and try to discard a slightly more dangerous tile to keep your tenpai or whatever. When you choose to defend you take the 100% safe tile. Even if it means losing your tenpai. It doesn't matter how big your hand is if you deal into someone else's hand.
>>14200744
Practice.
http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/bamboo/bamboo.html
>>14200561
>Mahjong is primarily about reading other people
No, it's not, it's just a smaller part of it. You either watched too much Akagi or have some poker background.
Even with opponent's hands being completely open you won't be able to win unless you get into tenpai. It doesn't matter what hand they are making if you can get into tenpai and win before them. Your MAIN focus for now should be learning about your yakus, shapes and effective discards.
I tried to check my old archives for useful links, but almost all of them are dead. But start by reading http://osamuko.com/tile-efficiency-101-part-1/. The same blog has also basic defensive strategies.
>>14200752
The fucking computer keeps tenhouing.
>>14200835
Are you going to let a computer beat you, anon?
>>14200847
Fucking finally.
>>14200987
Keep at it.
>>14200731
There are at least two or three major riichi mahjong groups in the US. One in New York, another on the other coast but I forget which city, and apparently there's one in Seattle too.
Does Furiten apply to every possible configuration in your hand?
Say you have a hand that, depending on the wait, could be a tan'yao or a more valuable hand.
If the waits for the tan'yao are different, can you still discard them without being in Furiten if what you're aiming for are the waits of the other hand? Or does the fact that you discarded a possible wait of your hand automatically make it furiten?
>>14203250
Furiten for one out means furiten for all outs. If you have 45678 waiting on 369, discarding 9 puts you in furiten for 3 and 6 also.
>>14203284
I'm unable to come up with an example at the moment, but let's say you have a hand that's configured so you have a wait for a certain hand on 3, but if you look at the hand differently it could be a 56 wait on something else.
What I'm trying to get at is that the 3 wait and the 56 wait are for two different hands.
Would discarding a 3 make you furiten on the 56 even though it's a different hand altogether?
>>14203289
The yaku are irrelevant. As long as you're in tenpai, and you've discarded one of the tiles that could complete your hand - regardless of whether or not that tile would give you any yaku - you're in furiten. If you change your wait so that you're no longer waiting on anything you've discarded, then you won't be in furiten anymore.
Let's say you have a hand like 4445m345789p345s. You're tenpai on 356m. 3m gives sanshoku pinfu, 6m gives pinfu, and 5m gives nothing. If you had at any point discarded 5m, then you'd be unable to win with either of 36m.
>>14203289
Yes.
See image. This is furiten.
>>14200752
>start game
>リーチ
>computer wins instantly
>-48k points
What a good start.
>>14203409
A yakuman on the first hand? Ouch.
>>14203666
Yeah, and he did that three times in a row. GG, no re.
>ryanshanten on first turn for kokushi mousou
>north player goes riichi
>I give him an ippatsu Ron while trying to get into isshanten
>It's a shitty yakuhai with seat wind
I don't want to play anymore
>>14203709
That was me. Sorry man, couldn't let you have it
1:0 folks. Try not to hurt me too much.
>>14203709
kokushi mousou never happens,
NEVER
>>14203884
But I had ryanshanten ON FIRST TURN
I could have had like 20 chances
And instead the hand ended on the SECOND TURNAROUND
>>14204009
obviously he detected the dangerous pressure coming from your hand and moved to block it.
How does one enforce furiten? Seems like there's no way of knowing unless you self-regulate
>>14204296
There's this little thing called Chombo, look it up.
>>14204302
I never played on tenhou. Does the program actually allows you to go "tsumo/ron" with a furiten hand?
>>14204324
No, the game won't allow you to attempt to call a win when you're in furiten.
>>14204302
I understand chombo, I'm just wondering how I can look at someone's Ron hand and know that they could have gone out earlier. Seems like furiten would go unpunished in most cases
>>14204355
Some anon already mentioned it:
>If you change your wait so that you're no longer waiting on anything you've discarded, then you won't be in furiten anymore.
And if you're no longer in furiten you are allowed to declare win.
So you just look at someone's Ron and check:
Is he in furiten now? -> He must pay chombo.
Is he not in furiten right now? -> He won and it doesn't matter that he could or could not be in furiten several turns ago.
1:0 friends.
http://pwmarcz.pl/minefield/#CrJQ8fhzPM
Minefield mahjong, for the interested folks
2:4
>>14204690
>2:4
what do these numbers actually mean? sorry, I'm new to tenhou.
>>14204925
First number is the number of people waiting, second is the number of people playing at the moment. If you don't read Japanese search for Tenhou documentation, pretty much everything there is explained.
>>14204925
players waiting for a game : players already playing
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/
>>14204934
>>14204936
Oh I see, thank you guys
2:0
>>14205111
3 now.
Does everybody just arrange their hands in manzu-pinzu-souzu-fanpei?
Is it a rule that you have to arrange them in that order?
And in case it isn't, why does everybody, even professional players, always do it?
Doesn't that make it easy for anyone to guess what you're drawing/discarding if the spot you put things in your hand is pretty much telling anyone what you're aiming for?
>>14206064
>even professional players, always do it?
This way it's easier for the audience to follow .
>1:0
Fuck you I was so fucking close to completing the best hand I've ever made fuck fuck fuck.
>>14206721
You don't have any yaku.
>>14206733
I thought it was ryanpeikou
>>14206746
Ryanpeikou is closed only.
>>14203399
What does it mean for a discarded tile to be highlighted or not highlighted?
I've played on a guest account for years because I don't read moonrunes but is there a guide for how to sign up? I'm guessing that having a real account would be better for playing than just showing up every once in a while on a guest account.
>>14206803
Tsumogiri. The darker tiles are ones that were discarded as soon as they were drawn, instead of from the hand.
>>14206825
Wow, didn't know that was a thing they tracked and showed to spectators.
>>14206824
http://arcturus.su/tenhou/ids-ranks.html
>>14206827
It's really useful information once you start getting real good. Difficult to keep track of during a game though.
>>14206834
I mean, I knew it was useful but didn't think they were capable of doing so because of how the game loves to pause every two seconds because of latency or something.
>>14206887
It pauses because someone is waiting to decide to chi/pon/etc. Tenhou also throws in random pauses just so you can't rely on pauses for getting information.
>3:4
>wasn't paying attention so accidentally chi on instinct and screw myself over
Why do I even bother playing, I'm not even good.
>those two guys who keep calling tiles
lmao
D-did I do good?
>>14207576
Yep. When you're up to it, come visit 7447 and play a couple games.
>Believing in flow
1:0
3:0
Holy shit
Sick yakuman dude.
Thank you for games.
Do you guys play against Japanese player, too? I'm always afraid that I make them upset because I'm a beginner. Ah baka gaijin waito piggu ruining our mahjong...
>>14208518
Nah, they're people too, so, I guess, some of them are bad, I don't know why I should be afraid of them. It would be great to play against a real pro or at least a very good player, but I don't want to pay for a ron2 account.
>>14208518
Don't feel that way. Everyone is a beginner once.
>>14208518
It's okay, you play against smurfs and other scrubs until you sign up and gain some rank points.
The only people you'll offend are the ones you beat with a randomly dealt good hand.
>>14207684
Fuck off Nodoka
How could have I handled this hand better? It seemed amazing to my eyes at least, so having it come tu just a mangan felt lackluster
Did I cheapen it somehow, calling aside?
>>14209438
Not really. Toitoi honitsu is mangan. The only real way that could have been worth more is if you stayed closed or got some dora.
What the FUCK was that. I got ron'd twice
>>14210434
I didn't knew that this was possible. I thought there was a rule that only one player gets the points.
>>14210510
In some rulesets, yes. In tenhou you can get double ron'd, but not triple ron'd.
3:0
There's a si gle player mahjong app called tenhoG that I enjoy. What sets it apart is the practice mode that throws Hans at you and asks you to score them. Great practice for calculating fu an learning yaku. It got me off my dependence on calculator apps.
>>14211211
Is it on any app stores?
>>14211395
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=jp.bustercurry.virtualtenho_g
>>14211441
Thanks.
1:0
>>14212252
2:0 now
![A-Third-of-Leads-Are-Not-Getting-Called-Back-skeleton-waiting-image[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lo0gke8.jpg "A-Third-of-Leads-Are-Not-Getting-Called-Back-skeleton-waiting-image[1].jpg")
>>14212277
>>14212252
3:0 now my friend.
I'll be back for more in a couple hours. Sorry anon
>>14212370
Sure, let's play again then.
>>14212373
And back while I avoid my resposibilities.
>>14210510
Atamahane (head bump) is disabled in ari-ari, which is the most popular ruleset on tenhou.
>>14210524
>>14212662
I see. I'm new to tenhou, the last three days were actually the first time in my life that I played with real humans. I used to play on my SNES emulator. Y-you guys deflowered me.
>>14212688
Well now that your cherry is gone, it's time for you to truly enjoy some vigorous mahjong on a table
>>14212707
Who is the guy on the left?
>>14212707
Damn Saki has some thick thighs.
>>14212744
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legendary_Gambler_Tetsuya
I miss the Saki and Akagi ads/events on tenhou
I tried my best. Good game.
>A universe where I actually win
I was terrified to even play when we started.
>>14212844
And then you wake up.
>>14212844
This match was pretty good, slow and steady, I wish more games were like this one.
Fucking chiitoi is such a shitty yaku. Why does it even exist? You are more likely to get the 3-shanten toitoi than the 1-shanten chiitoitsu. Fucking shitty hand.
I don't know why I try so often since I seem to fail so often. I didn't know I snubbed lady luck this badly.
1-shan-ten from 1st turn with 16 uke-ire and it never comes.
Kanna was right. This game really is an illogical pile of shit. Some faggot can win on a stupid tanki hell wait before you get your mathematically probable hand finished.
This it the last game out of me for a while I recharge my brain.
>>14212951
same here
>This universe
Thank you for the games. Good night.
Good games. Last one was close.
>>14211441
Man, this app is great. The rule explanations are cute too, big bonus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVxh7CxScYU
Has anyone played this? Is it good?
We're 1:0 now...
2:0 now losers.
Anyone else?
>>14213626
You lie kisama. There's no-one in here
>>14213799
Everyone left after one game.
That was my first time ever seeing an actual chankan
>>14213341
Too bad it's in ネエハンゴ
>>14212761
I bet she'll rub your dick beneath the table with her feet to distract you
>>14215213
Lewd. Truly she is a powerful mahjong lesbian.
>>14215631
A man can have his fantasies, right?
2:0
I wonder how much trouble getting one of those automatic tables is? Then again, I'd have to have live players too
>>14217518
I think they're a touch pricy. I'm personally just going to visit a hardware store and pick up some timber to build myself a halfway decent table until I get my hands on some nice materials or the cash to just buy a good table.
>>14217518
They are cool but an amateur like me doesn't need one.
Why are baka gaijins so shit at mahjong?
>>14219575
I'm sorry I am not perfect anon.
>>14219575
Not everyone is a natural-born Akagi.
3:0
>>14219575
Kyoutarou please, you aren't that much better, now bring me some tacos.
I wish I was mahjong otaku. I really do.
>>14222666
It's never too late to give up your happiness and become one.
>>14222666
What's stopping you?
>>14222666
I taught myself how to play, it's not that difficult.
>>14223046
Honestly I'm probably not smart enough
>>14223176
It has nothing to do with intelligence. It's just practice and learning from your mistakes.
>>14223176
I'm an idiot but I still learned. It depends more on how much time you put into it.
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24161564
What's your favorite song about mahjong?
>>14223257
>oorasu オーラス The final round of a game (South 4th round in a Han Chan). Probably a contraction of English “all last”.
Today I learned something new I guess.
Some guy just hit me with an open yakuhai with 5 dora hidden in his hand on the 5th go-around and then tsumo'd a kokushi fucking musou when I was east the next round.
Starting to believe in the flow because there's no other way to explain this shitty luck.
2:0
3:0
>>14225699
Sometimes crazy shit happens. It all evens out in the end unless you are in fact playing against Akagi.
Mahjong sucks.
>>14225873
You suck.
>>14225873
no, it's tanoshii
>>14225873
No, you suck at mahjong.
Fuck those people who immediately ron/tsumo on the shittiest hands.
>>14227145
Holding out for better hands is a sure way to never get first.
>>14227145
B-but my beautiful tenpai.
>>14227265
If your play hands that are less than mangan and you're not trying to catch up in the last round you should kill yourself.
>>14227502
Sounds like a good way to never win a hand.
>>14227502
>>14228460
Well, at least both of you are following a strategy. I am literally what poker player call a "donk" - I play cheap, fast and risky hands much to the upset of the other players.
>>14228837
>much to the upset of the other players.
It's just more money for them, isn't it?
>>14228843
Less, because the hands are cheap.
>>14228837
I always hit the auto-pass cruise control and aim straight for mentanpin. If I lose some yaku along the road to tenpai (i.e. drawing a triplet to lose pinfu, having a 1 or 9 in a meld to lose tanyao) I just roll with it and keep going for tenpai.
This hits mangan pretty often because mentanpin is already mangan on its own, and even without additional yaku red 5s work into this hand and they keep nudging up the han value.
Sometimes these hands get bloated by yaku like sanshoku or iipeikou into haneman. With dora that's baiman.
I only started playing mahjong last week. What does thing that pops up when I win mean?
>>14229307
You leveled up.
>>14229307
Check arcturus first whenever you have questions about tenhou.
>>14229706
>>14229858
I'm relieved to find out that that "9" is bad and no one expected anything from me during those games I lost.
>>14229024
>is already mangan on its own
Shit something's wrong with my brain.
is almost mangan on its own*
