There used to be a time when japanese artists were some of the best in the world. How did moe destroy all of this?
>>2395734
>implying moe art isn't a whole different type of skill all together that requires precise measurement and placement to achieve a pleasant drawing that gives emotions of extreme appeal and adoration because it is cute.
Now combine that with sex appeal and you have something to attract the good goys that would make you those Shekels. Its easier said than done.
>>2395742
>Its easier said than done.
This. I don't really draw anime at all but I'm not delusional enough to think it's easy. There's enough god-awful anime out there to testify that not any asshole can pick up a pencil and draw it.
Every time I see a retard wail that "wahh its just symbol drawing you just need to learn the right symbols!" I wish he's put his money where his fucking mouth is and slap down some of those easy symbols into something that doesn't look like trash. He probably can't, even if he does good realistic paintings or whatever. Probably because he has zero grasp of the decisionmaking process of stylization.
>>2395747
The difficult part are drawing ellipses since they're more prominent on a moe face, they're indeed symbols but you add elements of perspective and form to convey something that could exist in space but without adding too much form and detail to make it uncanny and jarring this is the tricky part.
another example of how moe has unconsciously made artists worse
>>2395766
both looks pretty dank to me, Kinu is a good artist
>>2395766
nope
>>2395768
her older drawings were great. But look at her now. The moe culture is eating away at her creativity
right one looks way better 2bh familia
>>2395781
not really. it's just a different style.
you guys cucked me over.
I thought you guys would have my side.
>>2395766
>kinu draws concept art of men different than illustrations of women
>bengus changed his style for a new game like he did for the last 20
well shit gang. i guess we're gonna have to close down anime.
>>2395801
to be fair, that bengus guy did seem to get worse.
either out of practice, pressured by shedule, or he can't cope with his change of style yet. probably a mix of the three
kinu on the other hand has the same skill as always. just different style, different product.
>>2395766
I think you might be homosexual
>>2395766
What are you pointing out? They both look amazing.
>>2395734
The after pic looks way manlier, is that some shitty bait?
>>2395850
>is that some shitty bait?
There was same "what happened?" thread about SF artist. Looks like it was deleted. So yeah, it's bait. Degenerates from /v/ invade us, because SF5 will be released february 16.
>>2395766
>>2395734
these are all great
the real tragedy is tetsuya nomura
>>2395798
Do you even know how to draw well or are you just shitposting?
>>2395857
That explains a lot.
Bunch of nonartists shitposting today.
>>2395873
/ic/ is a shitshow of notalents anyway
>>2395869
so shounen to bi-shounen? Feels like the same thing that hapened to D.gray man.
>>2395896
kinda. i think his art was really interesting in technique and design, he had lots of cool looking characters with a unique vibe. Now everything is preening boyband members with typical JRPG designs, covered in belts with a shitty 2 dimensional shiny style that all looks identical
>>2395921
i think nomura has been in the midst of a midlife crisis since kh1 and is trying to drown himself in twinks
I'll tell you why japanese art, specially in videogames went to shit.
Back in the days of the ps1/ps2 era japanese devs were the masters of acclaimed games, specially because due to the low polycount their non-photorealistic style was perfect for low poly stuff. This also happened as the same time of the fucking huge manga/anime explosion of the mid-90's so anything japanese was fucking god-tier for weaboos/teens everywhere
Yet time passed by and the whole japanese gaming industry stagnated while the ocident was getting better and better at producing games as the tech to make photorealistic stuff improved. The japs just kept spewing final fantasy after final fantasy crap, but there wasn't really an evolution. By the time the PS3 had come out, the japanese games had lost their appeal because, people whi grew up with anime eventually grew past that aesthetic and the general market just moved towards a more action/hollywood style of game than your traditional FF turn based game.
It's not that japanese game art is bad nowadays, you're just looking at the old stuff with rose-tinted glasses/ nostalgia. Japan lost its monopoly on vydia games and now they produce mainly stuff for themselves with tthe fucking waifu-loving autist otaku in mind, baring a few exception (like MGS)
>>2395994
kek
>>2396060
t. an American
>>2396069
actually, nope, European, but I guess it's all the same to you guys.
>>2396060
go back to /v/
>>2395872
>>2395850
I am an artist and Im not shitposting. I wanted to make an intellectual conversation about how japanese artists have gotten worse because of the moe culture. I was hoping you guys werent DA autists but it seems like you guys are. The Tetsuya Nomura poster gets me
>>2396060
this guy gets it
>>2396088
Post work
/ic/ has always been known to hate anime and moe. You're just a dumbass who doesn't know what he's talking about.
>>2396085
I ain't even /v/, I just work in vidya games.
If you can, go take a look at Naru Omori's talk on THUTV, he explains exactly why the japanese game industry lost its footing in the western markets.
>>2395734
>>2395766
>>2396088
I bet you thought OPM was the best thing to happen in anime in over 6 years
/v/ was a mistake
>>2396109
I'm actually working as a videogame concept artist.
I didn't post any pictures in this thread, I'm merely expressing what I've been witnessing over the last decades. Used to think that japanese were top tier in the 2000, but now they only produce mediocre shit that's been rehashed since the mid 90's. Everywhere it's just fucking bishonens with bright spiky hair that seem to have left a fucking trendy loligoth lolita store in Shinjuku (looking at you Nomura). I loved that aesthetic back in 2005, grew fucking tired of it.
>>2396116
>I bet you thought OPM was the best thing to happen in anime in over 6 years
With fucbois like Sonic in it? What the hell are you talking about.
>>2396129
see here. Europeans are the kings of art. Americucks only know how to draw redundant superheroes and the japanese are getting shit in their urethras
>western game art styles: wide range of stuff from photreal stuff to more stylized/cartoon art directions, not afraid to make new bold choices
>Japanese game art styles: Animu shit, Nomura cloning, laughabe attempts a photorealism
Delicious weaboo tears. Japan has long stop being relevant in the global game industry.
>mfw the last decent japanese videogame was Resident Evil 4
>>2396325
Sure.
>>2396325
>tfw Dark Souls.
>>2396340
>Dark Souls
>good
Choose one. And choose wisely.
>>23963460
try harder next time
>>2396346
>mfw when this nigga thinks that shit like watch dogs, every assassins creed and every remake ever made in the west is better than dark souls
>>2396340
C'mon bud let the meme end
The anime industry is the worst.
It's driven solely by money. You couldn't even count the times where a studio dared to try something new and it flopped.
It's all about copying everyone else and making everything look the same.
It's about being safe. You wouldn't want to do anything that jeopardizes the precious figure sales.
Anime is irredeemable garbage.
>>2396346
>look everyone I'm different
I didn't realize crossover with /v/ was this serious here.
>>2396695
god tier
>>2396735
thats some uncanny valley scarlett johansson face
>>2396346
>haha,I don't like things people like
>I'm so cool
>>2395742
Yeah fucking right.
What you said may have held a hair of truth if isn't for the fact that nearly every show these days reuses the same k-on face cookie cutter style. The applying part isn't difficult at all.
>>2395747
Alright looking kawaii uguu animu faces isn't hard to come by at all of you know where to look. They're not that easy to fuck up.
>>2396873
To clarify I'm not saying the animation itself is easy at all, just that drawing a basic moeblob isn't hard.
>>2396873
>nearly every show these days reuses the same k-on face
Prove it.
>>2396902
grass is green
water is wet
>>2396902
No.
>>2396904
That's nice, but where is the proof?
>>2396904
Ok I must have missed something
Is this a new meme or some reddit trash
>>2395734
digital tools
>>2396904
That depends on the grass, and water makes things wet. Calling water wet is like calling lubricant lubricated.
>>2396695
>It's driven solely by money.
>a studio dared to try something new and it flopped.
>It's all about copying everyone else and making everything look the same.
>It's about being safe.
>wouldn't want to do anything that jeopardizes the precious figure sales.
Sorry to burst your weeb bubble but welcome to literally every industry ever.
The anime industry would be dead by now if it wasn't for the slice of life fanservice moe shit so it might as well be.
TV, movies, video games, toys, EVERYTHING is literally what you describe in your entire post.
>>2397348
Shhhhhhhh.... You might crush his dreams in the area he aspires to.
>>2395742
>requires precise measurement and placement to achieve a pleasant drawing
You mean just like literally all other art?
>>2397493
Please stop embarassing yourself.
>>2397504
>bayonetta
>Gaudy/busy as fuck design that's been the staple of japanese character design since the early 2000's and that hasn't changed
>You just proved my point
A decent attempt tough.
I'm just gonna take this opportunity to say why does SFV look like such an ugly turd, who the fuck was in charge of art direction on this.
>>2396346
>dark souls
>not fucking excellent art design
Actual shit taste holy fuck, if you're going to post shitty bait about video games go back to fucking /v/
>>2397506
To be honest I think how "overdesigned" enemies are in Bayonetta serves it well for the setting considering they're supposed to be angels representing different virtues/holy ideals.
>>2397604
>generic fantasy shit
Almost as bad as animu.Done to death. At least bloodborne was more interesting design wise.
>>2397602
SF4 was also ugly. And SFxTekken, holy fuck was that disgusting.
>>2397602
Those hairs looks like green colored shit.
>generic fantasy shit
/v/ shitter pls
>>2397609
like I said overdesigned mess is a staple of japanese game design. I played Bayonetta and half of the time I had no fucking clue as to where I was or what was going on, or where the scenario ended and the boss began. Just a fucking clusterfuck all around.
>>2397611
Go take a look at the new King of fighters that's coming up. The fucking models look like they came from a PS2 and their design is straight out of japan fashion circa 2003-2005
>>2397617
I don't fucking care if the game is God's gift to mankind gameplay-wise. The truth is that art-wise, it's generic and bland as fuck.
![kof-xiv-24570654951_19a7c98b6e_o[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iJ815Mt.jpg "kof-xiv-24570654951_19a7c98b6e_o[1].jpg")
>>2397621
I already did. It's not bad. They look like proper humans in anime-ish style. It reminds me of Bloody Roar. It's just another style like Guilty Gear Xrd. I mean they do have to design 50 characters for XIV.
It's just that SF's lighting and tumor muscled characters go a bit overboard.
>Hidden threads: 116
Jesus Christ.
>>2397628
>The truth is that art-wise
Sure :^
>>2397610
>generic fantasy
Right, because it's totally filled with Tolkien races and areas.
>>2396346
>>2397604
Art direction in Dark Souls is ok, but the game itself is generic shit. It's a typical third person hack n slash game, but with lower health and some minor RPG elements.
How the fuck it reached the status it has is beyond me. Then again, I stopped playing console games 23 years ago.
>>2397602
this has been the art director for capcom after 3rd strike
>>2397644
>hasn't played video games in over 20 years
>doesn't understand why a game is popular and considered good
gee, I wonder. Maybe you should try /v/, they're very fond of talking shit about games they haven't played.
>>2397630
>All same faces
>everyone doign fucking duck lips
>Animu mixed in
I never, ever saw anyone pull out decently the realistic animu look, this look like Sakimichan: the game. It just looks plain weird. In KOF's case, the worst offending part isn't even the anatomy, it's their fucking wardrobe that just screams try hard and brings me back to those awful designs that Falcoon did back in the days for Maximum impact. I fucking wish Shinkiro had stayed in as a character designer, he had a much better sense of subdued and realsitic design.
>>2397633
>Only tolkien is considered fantasy
>the rage builds up because I'm right
>>2397658
nice /v/
>>2397658
Tolkien is considered generic fantasy, yeah. Why omit keywords?
I don't know where you got "rage" from my post, but sure if you wanna think you're objectively right then go ahead.
>>2395752
I mean in the most abstract technical sense there symbols, but I don't think calling them symbols is anything meaningful when there made in 3 dimensional perspective.
To me symbol drawing is when someone draws what they think something looks like instead of what it actually does, what anime artists do is make a choice of drawing unrealistically.
>>2395781
>artist i like changes and now i don't like their new shit as much as the old shit
bitch, shut the fuck up, here's the number to my therapist, you tell em all your problems, they're fuckin awesome at listenin
>>2397658
I came here to smug at you
>>2397655
>I fucking wish Shinkiro had stayed in as a character designe
Well SNK doesn't have money to keep him in. Which is probably why the game looks like that in the first place, like a ps2 game.
>>2397821
Shinkiro was quickly snatched by capcom when SNK tanked, but he mainly does illustrations for them now, not so much concept work. Then they brought in Falcoon and the art style for the KOF franchise moved from being mostly realistic to a neon manga mess thanks to that asshat.
>>2397602
Japanese just learned how to use Zbrush. Now they're going overboard with it, similar to how they implemented it in their anime and everything has shaky 3D cam now.
>>2397602
I dunno but I'm happy they havent made a new Darkstalkers so long as I don't have to see the characters I love modeled like that.
>>2397655
Maximum Impact was fine because it came out around the time when this shit was in fashion.
>>2397493
You do know that the gaming industry is split in fucking two! Eastern gaming and western gaming are completely different industries. Your idea of gaming is western based instead of thinking of both industries. Sunset overdive isn't relevent to them just as senran kagura isn't relevent to us.
>>2397348
Well shit anon i was going to post, but anyway i totally support what you said
>>2397766
thanks tyler
>>2396325
>what is DeS, DaS, and BB
DaS2 a shit though.
>>2397644
It actually is beyond you.
You're out of touch, old nigga.
>>2397655
>this look like Sakimichan: the game
holy fuck my sides
>>2397348
/thread
>>2395734
whos Moe?
>>2396542
>Video games
>Mattering
Since we're all so fucking talented and intellectual here. Why don't we all make our own anime? Boku no /IC/.
>>2396542
You just lost.
Dragon Age Inquisition have the best character design and fine art.
>>2396325
>>2396335
>>2396340
>>2396346
>>2396542
>>2402937
>>2396325
>bold new choices
>>2396129
>loligoth
>shinjuku
>>2402943
second from top right is obviously badly referenced from Yolandi.
>>2402943
>>2406849
>>2406850
Yoldani is pretty ugly, I don't know why people like Mohrbacher keep tracing her.
We just gonna bring this topic up and not even iclude the following
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>>2396325
>western game art styles: every protagonist is bald, obsessed with hyper-realism, obsessed with emulating Hollywood
Fixed that for you.
>>2395747
There's so little variation in moe faces you can copypaste them from a catalog and nobody would notice.
>>2407354
They are still heads drawn in perspective, just with simplified and stylized features. The difficultly of drawing realistic heads doesn't lie in rendering or memorizing anatomy and detail, but in constructing the basis of the head in perspective.
You see that with beginners on /ic/ all the time when they try to do Loomis head constructions. I have never seen someone draw a perfect construction and then fuck up the detail and anatomy, it's always the initial construction that gives beginners and even intermediate artists the most trouble.
In many ways, drawing the simple statement can be even more difficult to pull off, because there is nothing to hide behind. No asymmetry and imperfections, no chiseled chins or pronounced anatomical features, no chaos in ugliness or old age etc. You fuck up the proportions and the symmetry even a little and the face looks off and aesthetically unappealing.
>>2402875
Boku no P/ic/o
>>2407384
>In many ways, drawing the simple statement can be even more difficult to pull off
>This is /ic/
I find some of todays manga looks really rushed and unfinished in spots. alot of the line work in current manga looks really sketchy to me. I like the look of older mangas.
>>2408371
and another. video girl ai has some great art.
another of my favorites is ryuichi ikegami.
>>2405898
never said the best EVER.
>>2396325
>more stylized/cartoon art directions
Like what?
>>2408374
I think I just came
>>2407502
If you have no counter argument and you clearly know that you do not understand the topic at hand, why do you still try to get the last word in?
i want /v/ to leave
>>2408371
>ghost busters logo
copyright infringement! i will sue!!!
>>2408374
old manga faces are so derpy, though. hair looks amateur too. manga has come a long way since then.
>>2410251
we could cherry pick too, but you'd just blindly disregard that cause you're a xenophobe
>>2410263
>cherry picking
Yeah, sure thing buddy. Enjoy your mango and animu waifus.
>>2410273
You fucking idiot, its cherry picking because most of those games are made by independent developers. Meaning they don't represent a majority at all. Nice to know you also have shit taste
>>2410291
>Ubisoft
>microsoft studios
>indie devs
keep believing that chink games are relevant in this day and age friend ;)
>>2410307
>most games
