Is /ic/ the most honest and therefore the greatest art forum on the internet?
you are in it
anonimity gives the best honesty you can wish for.
>>2539593
Yes and it also makes everyone a fucking expert.
>>2539595
no, that is facebook.
ic is full of underage industry pros from sweden and france.
No and no.
>>2539596
Actually /ic/ is mainly USA and other third world countries (i.e. Canada or Australia) because it has all properties of anglo "culture" like being offended by "nigger", "faggot" etc., seeking popularity among FA and tumblr crowd to gain "ez bux", not knowing anyone other than unknown meme american "artists" like Loomis or Bridgman, talking about and having hard boner over "old masters" while not being able to discern between pre-raphaelite paintings and neoclassicism etc. ad infinitum
>>2539581
yea, there is no better
It really is if you take a step back and look everywhere else in terms of written communication. The level of artwork however is nowhere near places like facebook and artstation. Almost everyone here is a 90s kid and has long way to go before they ever reach those other places artwork quality.
>>2539619
You shouldn't confuse antagonism for honesty. /ic/ is not as communicative as you imagine it to be.
>>2539621
I like the hostility. Want to see another anon fired up against another anon. I don't want to see coddling of that on a forum with rep/thanks/post count/ and fixd username where the person is afraid to speak how they really feel.
>>2539609
>because it has all properties of anglo "culture" like being offended by "nigger", "faggot" etc.
Ah, you mean being a decent human being.
No.
/ic/ is plenty prone to group-think and people who go against the grain are regularly shit on. Anonymity isn't the paradise people pretend it is, for most it's just an excuse to be shitty without fear of consequence or damage to your reputation. There's a reason people are afraid to have their behavior here tied to their persona as an artist, and I guarantee you it isn't because they don't want to be known as "honest".
If by honest you mean malicious, then probably. Genuine critique is rare and people mistake unconstructive insults for being "brutally honest" on this board all the time. People have taken pride in "we're not a hugbox" and gone so far in the opposite direction it's almost equally useless, except for breaking down egos (which often doesn't work as evidenced by people like illastrat, cumbum and nosebro).
Still, this place has useful resources, the odd good discussion, and occasionally an anon or two that actually give a shit about providing critique instead of shit-flinging and ego-stroking.
>>2539641
>this
I absolutely agree with your opinion, anon
when I stumbled upon /ic/ I felt like a fucking Ubermensch because I'm part of the most honest and brutal art-forum in existence
but as I lurked more, the "honesty" just showed that /ic/ is full of retards and self-proclaimed experts
the best thing that happened to me, /ic/-related, was competing in LAS for nearly three months
it was fucking awesome to see other anons work and draw everyday, without anyone frogposting or giving their useless opinion on a drawing
it boiled down to what /ic/ should be about, git gud
oh, and also the occasional serious debates about art and stuff
>>2539626
I want to compete agaisnt you, anon, but I gotta git gud first.
>>2539581
what the fuck is that
>>2539791
You've really never seen that before? It's a virus or some shit like that.
>>2539626
I feel that you're romanticizing the typical bouts between artists on /ic/. Often times it's not the clashing heads of two ideologically opposed anonymous intellectuals, but rather petty infighting between novice and intermediate artists over topics that regularly have only a tangential relation to the artwork at hand.
You are right about the concept of brutal honesty being an interesting and valuable twist to an art forum, but this community is too immature and unseasoned to actually see that idea come to fruition properly.
>>2539632
faggot
>>2539793
It's inside a cell. It's an animation on an "ATP" transporting chemical energy for the cells metabolism. Take it with a grain of salt because it's just some idea on how it might look like.
>>2539876
>Take it with a grain of salt because it's just some idea on how it might look like.
Nice try Fedora tipper but that clearly shows an intelligent design and that doesn't spontaneously occur from nothing.
>>2539791
That's a vesicle climbing a microtubule inside a cell.
>>2539641
Yep, it's true.
/ic/ will break you down, but it won't help you build up.
Best I've gotten out of here recently has been the art book threads.
>>2539883
It is intelligent design. It's someone with a 3D animation software.
>>2539632
Lmao fag
>>2539609
that has nothing to do with the usa at all, how ignorant can you be?Europeans just speak English nowadays and aren't much different from Americans. There's tons of Europeans here, tons of Americans and some third world poorfags.
>>2539619
But Artstation is unfortunately not a forum. If it were, it would be circlejerk paradise, I guarantee it.
>>2539641
I agree with this completely. Being vulgar just for the sake of being edgy is not constructive criticism and is equally useless as hugboxing, but nonetheless I like /ic/ more than anything else that is available because of the hardworking attitude (that mostly isn't practiced)
I think it's a good place for beginners to you realize you're shit and you need to grind through fundamentals, but once you're decent, you should leave forever.
>>2539911
>once you're decent, you should leave forever
why? i imagine it would be good to have someone constantly tell you you're shit because then it would force you to keep trying new techniques and tools. some of which you probably wouldn't use to begin with but would help you make really unique and interesting stuff.
>>2539926
Because once you're decent, you know what to do and become better on your own without others. Beginners who need to be hand held will stay here and don't understand what it means to be good, so they're terrible judges.
>>2539632
Heh, what a queer thing to say.
>>2539931
Once I become decent I'd rather stay here to be revered as a walking God by the peasants here.
>>2539931
I dunno, once I become decent I'd rather stay here to be revered as a walking God by the peasants here and can shit talk and be nearly invincible and unmatched.
>>2539943
If you find enjoyment in that, go for it. It's kind pathetic from my eyes to want praise from losers, but sure, go for it. Just know you risk staying in your comfort zone.
I think /ic/ is too populated by an angry and vocal minority of people who can't be called artists because they don't draw - they just shitpost here.
So no. /ic/ is not the greatest community for art. Lot of drawings go ignored, lot of people here suck too. So let the results speak for themselves.
>>2539632
nah, I think he means a nigger faggot
I would barely even call this an art board.
Pretty much everything posted here is illustration. and what the majority of people here aspire to be are illustrators.
Pic unrelated.
absolutely not
yes everyone's 'honest'- meaning they will not hesitate to say their opinion
BUT everyone is also fucking stupid. everyone's filled with misinformation & falls for every meme ''tip' they hear once, and will spread this misinformation super happily
also, everyone's kind of jealous and hateful in general, so will happily discourage/find fault in people they actually think are good bc envy
>>2540300
Envy will lead to competition. It's alright. It also weeds out the weak.
>>2539641
god I feel loved nowadays, all these mentions without being related to the subject at hand.
post your work faggot.
>>2540359
You were an offhanded example of the egotistical nuisances this board experiences, get over yourself.
>>2540359
Can you honestly please stop posting and stay your fucking ass in the discord where you can be contained?
>>2540359
>p-post your work
Hahaha you fucking faggot. You really think you can put anyone in their place with your shit artwork?
You're not worth the time. It'd be embarrassing to stomp down on you.
>>2540372
Not him, but post your work :^)
>>2540367
hi saltthebloodedge/haruno/page
>>2540374
I don't know who any of those people are.
>>2540375
you can play dumb but it's obvs either one of you
or santi
>>2540376
Whatever floats your boat I guess. Pick whichever scapegoat suits you best and I'll be that one.
>>2539952
>coming here to shitposts
>never draw
is this actually a thing?
>>2540684
this is the most common thing on /ic/
>>2540300
i never got the envy in this place
youre just typing bullshit in hopes the other will see and feel bad, you wont even ever know
and you can easily be disproven
>>2540689
why?
>>2540694
Probably because they're to lazy to start drawing shit or they just gave up in art but they still want to talk about the topic and they came and shitpost with wrong tip which obstruct
the beiginners learning process. .
Me for example.
>>2539632
Pretty much, but /ic/ is still on 4chan, remember.
>>2539641
Screen-cap, please.
>>2540684
I do this all the time. Posting since 3-4 months btw. Oh and I also give advice and critique to anons that they thank me for.
Most I did were couple of line and ellipses exercises. I didn't even draw in school.
>>2540794
Oh and I know all the basic recommended resources by heart and more. I will give beginners that are better than me because they actually draw advices and links to drawabox, Proko, "Keys(...)" by Dodson, I will tell them about Gurney and David Hornung and how to make color studies, I will tell that limited palette is better for plein air and to google for Zorn palette or to take such and such colors from Gurney book...I even recommend "Skillful Huntsman" for character and environment design.
Hell, I can safely say that I became skilled in shitposting and masking myself among other people who actually want to draw and earn money as popular tumblr artists doing porn rule 34 with dickgirls.
>>2540813
It isn't. Well, what can I say - I post on various imageboards nearly daily since 2008. I wanted to pick up a hobby, thought about painting, but still there's a few months till I can sort my shit out with uni and job and think about it more seriously/actually do stuff.
And I like doing research prior. So there's reading a bit, analyzing, watching what mistakes don't do at the beginning...and voila, now I grew into body of /ic/ shitposters naturally.
Honesty isn't worth much if it's not backed up by knowledge.
But knowledge isn't worth much if it's held back by dishonesty, so it's a trade off.
>>2539641
This is very much true. /ic/ is mostly of the artist equivalent of the armchair athlete. They'll list things wrong with your art, but they wont ever dare do a draw over or a paint over of your work. Why? Because they don't know shit.
People here will argue "You don't need to be an expert to know whats wrong." Even if that's true (and they're wrong), they can't see why you drew/painted that way and fix your way of thinking. People who say that aren't so much interested in your growth as an artist, but rather are trying to empower themselves. I would know because I used to be one of those people. Now looking back on it, I would've kicked myself in the nuts.
To the people seeking help on /ic/ you have to be careful. The biggest advice is learning how to seek it. And that means recognizing whats real advice and whats ego stroking. --Seek advice only from people who you'd be willing to trade places with-- And nobody wants to trade places with anonymous.
>>2540218
this
>>2543686
post your work fampai
>>2543686
>(and they're wrong)
Generally you don't need to be a health inspector to tell a resturant filled with rat shit is unhygienic. You don't need to be a jurist to tell punching someone in the face is against the law. You don't need to be a musician to separate a minor chord from a major chord.
But somehow you need to be fucking Rembrandt to tell Sakmichan's shit is mediocre as fuck.
>>2543946
You probably need to be a musician though to tell exactly how a professional could have played something better.
The real funny thing is when people are so deluded they think that they are better than the pros. There was a thread recently where someone shit on Maciej's figures then posted some of their own as an example of better gesture, and they were laughably bad. Like they had only been drawing maybe a few weeks.
People here also are quick to judge for unimportant things. Like they shit on Kron for tracing when he doesn't actually trace, and for using CA, as if that alone means he can't draw at all.
>>2543954
THE FOOL HAS OPINIONS ON MANY THINGS.
>>2543963
It is the fool's sheep that break loose twice.
>>2543946
The way I see it, a non-artist or amateur can provide valid critique in terms of telling you what looks off. If it looks bad to an amateur there's probably something up. They might miss the mark sometimes and just be flat out wrong but usually it merits consideration.
The problem is they can rarely tell you exactly what the problem is or how to fix it. It usually take actual expertise to discern the exact problem and tell the person how best to address it. Good critique does those things, and good critique is rare here. /ic/ is pretty decent at saying what's wrong, it's generally very bad at saying what you can do about it.
>>2539632
take a hike you kike
>>2539581
hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>2540359
Hi nose bro.
>>2539581
No because you can be completely honest with your moronic opinions, but it doesn't do anyone any good to hear them.
>>2539641
Alright, but are there even alternatives right now?
