do you have a backup plan?
bonus:
what is a good option for someone who has the chance to go to university for 3 years, and also want's to make a living with art? should i go into studying an art related field or build another career and have art on the side until it picks up?
Pic related: saw on reddit today, got me rethinking my life decisions
It's okay to take it as a minor I guess. The general rule seems to be that you're probably going to make it if you were meant to. Going to school or not isn't going to be the end all be all of your improvement-most of the kids who 'make it' out of school were probably pretty damn good even before they filed their admission forms.
>>2527272
If you're going into it with a backup plan then you're already preparing to fail. The image you posted is of a shit level artist. You need to bust your ass for years to get to a level of what companies are hiring for. Granted there are levels of paying work but it's pretty easy to see quality artists who get decent work are at.....and that's not even close.
I understand that logically it's good to have a plan b but the very idea of becoming a pro in art is not very logical to begin with. A lot of people who've made it did it because they didn't have another option or they didn't really think about "what if", they just went for it. Having a plan B is fine just be aware that actually "make it" takes an insane amount of dedication and if you're already planning a way out that might not light a fire under your ass.
If you get to a high enough skill level you're going to find work eventually and there are enough people out there who are doing it and making a decent living to prove it's possible.
Also keep in mind the amount of time you spend in school for a "plan b" is time you could have been using to study and take on low level commissions to get your feet wet. 2 - 4 years (especially on the 4 year end) is enough time to go from nothing to getting low level RPG work and starting to make a name for your self. If you do something else in school that takes up a lot of your free time to work on art you might just be forcing yourself into that plan b since you'll need steady work to pay those school loans back when you get out.
>>2527272
Are you... serious? That post is typical reddit tier, absolute trash and if that is your goal, you can achieve it in a few months. It won't get you any income though, so you'll need to aim much higher.
I personally don't have a backup plan because I'd rather kill myself than have a shitty job I hate doing and spending 3 years of my life studying useless shit I don't care about instead of getting good.
>>2527277
I agree with this guy
i'm neet
i guess i'll neet for longer while attempting to tolerate the disappointment of my family
>>2527277
What would you say to people who started out late? As in already in their mid 20's to early 30's
It's always ok to have a backup plan but you won't become a pro in the average amount of time it takes
Are you ok with taking longer to become a pro OP? That all depends on you
>>2527288
Holy shit, get a dose of reality you faggot. You're probably going to artschool with daddy and mommy's money right now.
Art is my backup plan for when I fail my CS degree.
>>2527301
lel I dropped out of art school because it sucks. I prefer actually studying.
>>2527302
I guarantee you that you'll never make it with that attitude. Art takes very long to master and requires crazy amounts of work. That is the worst possible backup plan you could ever have.
The whole point of having a backup plan is to have a secure potential income
Take something that you have a genuine interest in, but don't bother with any fine arts nonsense.
It is NOTHING that you cannot learn yourself - A waste of money and potentially time if you happen to pick it up slower/faster than the classes move.
Also everything that >>2527275 said. If you've got a knack for it, you'll succeed, and a piece of paper qualification has little to no bearing on that.
>>2527306
I'm not being completely serious. I don't know what I'd do if I dropped out. I just fantasize about throwing it all away and pursuing art, which is not very realistic.
>>2527272
I am willing to bet that everyone who posted in this thread - aside for myself - has neither a career or a degree in art.
Before you make a decision about your future make sure that it's a reasonable one.
>neet or university, can you afford to study art?
>do you have any skills, proof or sign that you one day will make it?
>last. find working artists and talk to them
I can't stress this one enough. If you're planning to put your future on the line go visit a game studio, an advertisement agency, a vfx company or anything similar to actually ask them how to get a job there.
Don't fucking trust anons with your future.
>>2527272
I'm Master Engineer, I'm currently seeking a full time job. I'll be "gitting gut" in mean time. I'm not running anywhere, if it will take me 10-15 years to get at the level someone could have after 5 years of art school/Watts atelier/whatever, it's ok.
>>2527277
>making a backup plan
>preparing to fail
If the the backup plan is really good, itd be option coverage imo
>>2527272
Holy guacamole as someone who dropped out of uni to pursue digital art, that dude is going to have a rough wake up call.
>>2527375
>if it will take me 10-15 years to get at the level someone could have after 5 years of art school/Watts atelier/whatever, it's ok.
The level you'd have after attending Watts atelier for 5 years is not something you will acquire outside of Watts, even if you study for 25 years.
>>2527411
Are you joking? It all depends on how intelligently you study, how good your skill is to begin with, and learning a few key techniques that make your drawings and paintings look polished. I've seen work posted by people attending Watts with blatant flaws. Don't get me wrong, if you spend day in day out doing life drawing and having a teacher constantly showing you how to do things better you will improve quickly, but just attending certain school won't necessarily make you insanely good.
>>2527411
>The level you'd have after attending Watts atelier for 5 years is not something you will acquire outside of Watts, even if you study for 25 years.
Maybe you shouldn't comment about art when you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>2527272
I get that he dropped out of uni but let's look at the bright sides.
-He has a subject and background, something many people don't do still.
-the anatomy isn't disgustingly off
-he wants to be an artist so much
Therefore, he's already got some skill and the drive so if he pushes hard he can make it.
>>2527375
But you're not someone who will be doing art as a full time job as I assume OP is talking about.
You might think you are, but you won't. With a full time job in engineering and the money that comes with it, and familiy, friends and whatever else by the time you get "good enough" you'll be fighting against kids half your age just as good or better than you who are more in touch with what's selling at that time. The realities of how much time it truly takes to get to the top of the field in games/entertainment/publishing industries (the sort of stuff most people on here want to do) is crazy, it's a full time job or more on it's own for years and years.
Not to say it's impossible but if your dream is to be a working artists it seems unlikely if you're working as an engineer. If all you want to do is be good and maybe sell your original creations/paintings than that's totally possible for sure.
>>2527411
>The level you'd have after attending Watts atelier for 5 years is not something you will acquire outside of Watts, even if you study for 25 years.
lol what? A good school will accelerate but don't exaggerate.
>>2527277
This guy's sentiment is correct, but at the same time don't be naive and listen to >>2527359
as well. You need to be willing to dedicate yourself, but you have to also be honest and realistic. And having a clearer goal in mind will help a lot, rather than just "art." Because that could mean a lot of things - 3D? 2D? concept art? illustration? graphic design? UI/UX? working in games? or more for vfx? architecture? The reason having a general direction is helpful is that it takes a lot of work to become pro level at any one thing. Furthermore, assuming you did go to school, a school that teaches concept art well might be shit at something else - there isn't one best art school for this reason.
On that matter, my position is that as long as you're not going to a scam/shit school like the art institutes, and you can afford it, it's not bad to go to school. Not because of the degree mostly, but because you'll meet people who are good, make connections, and accelerate your skill faster.
I would not study another career if you have no actual interest. But if you do, it's not a bad path to go down, especially if it's something like computer science which does tie into many art fields.
Good luck.
>>2527272
Back up plan is to find a job with alot of downtime that can pay at least a livable wage so you can draw during those free time and then at home.
Slowly but surely build your portfolio and network yourself. Once you get a hang of freelancing or you are confident enough you can live by doing art. quit that job.
Be a security guard, do night shifts, git gud on your job because nothing ever happens.
>>2527272
To kill myself if I'm my art is not marketable by age 25. I'm serious.
>>2527272
god they destroyed him in that reddit thread
>>2527673
How old are you now?
I'm probably just going to keep working where I work if it doesn't work out. I like my job.
>>2527716
if you're a complete beginner now, it should be possible to get decent if you go full autism mode
Be poor and depressed
Kinda strange how negative this thread is. Having a job to make money and pursuing art as your future career is totally feasible . Bobby Chiu and Chris Oatley are good examples of this.
One worked in a gas station and the other art a Guitar Center (till he was 28).
It's possible with enough work. Plain and simple.
>>2527759
It's feasible of course but nobody should go into it with too much naivety and only looking at people who are already successful, which is why I think it's important for anyone considering it to listen to negative or unmotivating points of view as well, to get an overall perspective.
>>2527567
still a ridiculously low level to start basing your whole future around
>>2527729
>To kill myself if I'm my art is not marketable by age 25. I'm serious
he's already gone full autism
>>2527272
>>2527673
Hey im at a shitty work. Youll get used to it like every other thing in the world. So its not that Bad.
>>2527272
I want to be a working artist. I REALLY want to be a working artist. I'm getting closer and closer on deciding on whether or not to go to uni or not - and it's bloody terrifying.
On one side of the argument, if I want to become a working artist, I hear a lot of "Do or die" arguments. I dunno if they're right or not though - maybe they are, maybe they're not. If I do take this path, I'd have to NEET right - but I don't want to NEET because I'd hate to be a continued burden on my parents for another couple of years (possibly more). Then there's the chance of failing, and where the fuck do you go from there?
Should I just go to uni, rack up some student debt and possibly (most likely) hate my career for the next couple of years and then never potentially pursue art professionally? Or do I roll the die and pursue professional art from the get go?
I've been drawing for about 3 years (self taught) and am current 16 nearing 17.
Sorry to sound like a huge wank, I know this sounds more like something for /adv/ but I need to get this off my chest.
pic related is an example of my sketch
This thread is clearly done by people who don't pay their own bills. Realistically, you need employment outside of art commissions to keep yourself afloat. You work on art when you have free time, until like other anons have said your work is marketable enough and viable enough to make a living from. It takes time regardless. And the anon who wants to kill himself if he's not good by 25, seriously dude most artists didn't hit their stride until they were well into their 40's. Grow the fuck up and prepare for the long haul.
>>2528001
>I've been drawing for about 3 years (self taught) and am current 16 nearing 17.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>2528001
MODS! DON'T LET HER ESCAPE!!!
>>2528012
SHIT
>>2527272
I have no plans on making art a primary income. Pic related is my art after 3 years of going on and off drawing. I have every intention of going to university starting next year (aerospace engineering) and working for the RAF straight after (they are paying for my university). That said, I also have every intention of improving my art in the down time of working for the army and university, just as I have in the past 3 years with high school. And seeing the amount of progress I've made in the amount of time actually put in, improving my art during university is very realistic.
To put this into perspective, people who pick up instruments at the start of highschool can become very good by the time they finish and also do well academically, socially and competitively in sports. How come people in this thread can't be good at two skills (or even one)? Don't put all your eggs in one basket, it will almost always never work out in your favour.
>>2528018
o-oh god my dick!
>>2528001
>and am current 16 nearing 17.
Rule number two.
>>2528007
40s seems like an overestimate, but I mostly agree.
>>2528001
aside from the fact you are underageb&, I was actually in the exact same position you are in right now, it's almost like you are me posting from the past. I got closer and closer to the time I had to make a decision about getting myself into 40k of debt at uni, or pursuing art as a career, and I just wanna say it doesn't get any easier. I spent so long asking different artists and watching videos on it but I'm still torn. All my teachers said to have a backup plan, my mother said she'd be dissapointed if I didn't get a degree, but I desperately just wanted to make art (and games).
I was roughly the same skill level you are at 16 and what I did was just study like a loon. I improved a whole bunch, and make a good amount of money doing commissions, then eventually found that porn is easier to make money in (drawing porn, to clarify). I'm 18 now and I've enrolled in a foundation art diploma course, which is just a way to extend out my decision, and it's only a few hundred pounds. I'm assuming you live in the uk, where any university will charge you your firstborn to study, and you could end up trying to scratch and claw your way out of the debt hole for the first 10 years of your career, so I understand your dilemma. You don't have to be NEET if you want to pursue art, you just need to make yourself marketable. If that means [gitting gud and] doing commissions, then do it. Only go to uni if it will propel you into more money. In terms of art, you really can teach yourself a range of things with enough discipline, and as for getting a job in the art industry, a shitty artist with a degree will never be picked over one who is more skilled.
Anyway, just wanted to say you don't sound like a wank.
>>2528256
Also, to add to that, you don't need a degree to do a minimum wage job on the side for extra £££.
>>2528007
You make a good point for people who only want to do commissions/drawing freelance, but like most people in /ic/ that is the extent of how you see doing art as a career. There are a shitload of other art career paths like I pointed out in >>2527590 . Some of those are also very difficult and unstable, but others, such as UI/UX, archviz, and graphic design, do not have as high of a skill bar.
>>2528018
Not putting all your eggs in one basket is a valid sentiment, but that doesn't necessarily mean spreading yourself outside of art. Like I said, art careers exist outside of strictly illlustration and concept art.
>>2528436
ty anon, well the benefit of living in europe is that I can go live in a beautiful hot country and work from my PC. i'm planning to move to southern spain for a while if all goes relatively to plan. I'm glad to have no debt hanging over my head.
>>2528256
Thanks anon, this was the post that I needed.
>>2528579
No worries. good luck for the future.
>>2527272
I want to make 2d animation my career, but I also want to be an engineer. Im working on a Mechanical Engineering degree at my community college; while I git gud at home.
During my first year of college I was juggling a part-time job while being a full time student. I dreaded my life, especially when I had to go to work. This fall Im starting my second year, so im deciding if I want to get a part-time job again.
The time spent at work could be time spent studying and becoming better at drawing (as well as studying stuff for school).
But plan cautiously
>>2528630
A student should have their full focus on school if they can. You're there to learn. If you have enough time to do a part-time job. You aren't working hard enough.
>>2528638
>Making this many assumptions about someone's life
>>2528638
My mom wanted me to get a job so I can visit relatives over seas. I couldve used that money to buy a car.
>>2527277
>>2527272
Disclaimer: Not a professional artist and worse than 80% of IC.
I think the most important question concerning that is how soon do you have to support yourself? If you didn't decide on this until you were an adult then you probably need a job to survive.
I do school/work for about 40 hours a week, sleep 56, misc maintance/bio/travel for about 18, draw for 40, and rest/piss life away for 14.
I dont think I can catch some 1 who is better than me at a younger age, but we will see. Not over until you quit or die.
>>2528709
>>I think the most important question concerning that is how soon do you have to support yourself?
My answer to this is Never
living the life
>>2528001
Ban pls.
>16,18 years old
I really feel old with my 20 Years. I was supposed to be one of the young people here.
>>2527272
No backup plan, just continuing to work towards it until the day I either make it or die.
I don't have the capacity to hold down a 'normal' job due to mental health (I'm schizoaffective but art is only of the few things I can do consistently).
It's the only thing I care about or can do for 8 hours and go to bed feeling satisfied.
Been studying and working towards it for a few years now though, I'm at a point where I could get work for minor card games, etc. Hopefully progress continues and I will be able to make a living eventually
>>2529117
I'm starting drawing now and I am 27. I think Firez was 28 when he came to /ic/. Idk about tehmeh, catbib and others.
>>2529121
shh now, let's pretend we didn't see that
remember, he's not a child, but an adult-in-becoming. and right now he's looking for advices
>>2527272
Sell your soul and body.
>>2528018
>How come people in this thread can't be good at two skills (or even one)?
because most of us are losers that sit around on our computer for most of the day (if not all day) shitposting and playing vidya. The sad truth is that a lot of us (shamefully myself included) are man-children with poor discipline and a crippling addiction to procrastination.
>>2528018
im gonna need sum blog pls
>>2530642
Seconding this
>>2530641
This.
I've spent so much of my life gaming and wasting time online that even with my best efforts I still waste shitloads of time this way. I improved quite a lot compared to like 5-6 years ago, but I still have a long way to go.
>>2530697
When I'm in the shower the only thing I can ever fantasize about is what i would do differently if I were me ten years ago... I guess the only time is now.
>>2530697
Have you ever looked up self help on not procrastinating? If you really feel it affects your life you could look for some resources on YouTube and things. I know how you feel, wasting time is probably my main regret.
>>2530699
Try not to dwell too much on the past. It will only make you resent working hard even more.
>>2530699
>I guess the only time is now
Precisely
>>2530712
maybe I should use my depression related to my perceived missed opportunities in life as artistic inspiration or something
>>2530724
Just let all of the missed opportunities slide. It depends what you want out of your art. If you want money, sell it, and if you want to express yourself, do it.
>>2530712
Yeah, and working on my procrastination has helped me quite alot. A few years back I was incapable of studying before the last moment, and even if it meant failing everything, I couldn't get myself to study. Now it's not a problem of general motivation, it's about starting earlier in the day.
I did fail my dream studies, but I managed to bounce back on something that's still considering good here, even though it's far from my potential. And I'm doing it quite well and not failing due to being too lazy. Still, the next step will be to work more efficiently so I can have more free time doing something productive rather than waste it on youtube.
>>2530756
Procrastination really is a bigger problem than we perceive it to be. It can make such a huge difference in your life. Anyway well done anon, I found that understanding why I procrastinate helped, and I draw much more these days.
>>2530765
why did you procrastinate? I never found out why I do besides chalking it up to "I guess I'm lazy"
>>2530765
True. You just don't realise how much time goes by that you could have effectively used.
>>2530766
Nah, never class yourself as lazy. Start doing that and you'll feel okay fulfilling it.
I was procrastinating because of a mixture of things. I would get home from college and think 'it's been a long day, I just want to rest and binge netflix', which slowly turned into me resenting doing any work at all at home. I started to see drawing as being a thing I had to force myself to do, not an enjoyable outlet. I became a huge perfectionist, and punished myself because the things I drew weren't perfect, and I was also stressed, giving me a negative outlook on everything. But my coursework is over now, just a few exams to go. It helped to just make myself draw every day, and to rekindle the enjoyment in drawing by making new projects and characters.
>>2530699
The best way to get over that is to just do it. Not as easy as it sounds but shia labeouf wont lead you astray.
I have a big problem with moderation in any thing so I just quit every thing cold turkey. Dont watch Tv, play video games, hang out with friends, or sit around doing nothing. If you have nothing to do but practice and go to work it makes the choice easy. Just eliminate all other options and accept what it takes.
>>2530779
You were a perfectionist too? Strange, I am too (not in a crippling way) but enough to never feel satisfied with most things I do. It doesn't help wanting to do something when I know I'll never be happy with the results. I'm trying to get over it though. This doesn't only relate to drawing either, relates to the way I think about most things. Wish I wasn't so hyper-critical all the time.
>>2530782
Damn, you are a stronger man than I. As soon I read that my first thought was literally "but that's so hard though" and that was the only excuse I could think up.
>>2530782
I know what you mean about moderation. I find it so difficult to compartmentalize my life. Like, 'an hour drawing a day'. Once I've started a thing I'll probably do it all day, and possibly without other distractions, be consumed for days on end. Both good and bad things.
>>2530790
Haha yeah, I'm hyper-critical too and I know I'll never be satisfied with the level I'm at. If you are, you wont improve. It's good to take some time to be proud of what you've done, I had to learn that.
so say you were in a position where you absolutely need a secondary income. what is a good option for someone who is 18 and not in a rush to get in 'the industry'
>>2533141
Just get some part-time job that you don't hate too much
>>2533141
become a priest
>>2533141
Working in food delivery is among the most lucrative positions someone without a college degree can get. As long as you're doing it in a white area (blacks in particular don't tip most of the time in my experience), look up the demographics of neighborhoods near you, apply to any pizza chains in the whitest area you can find and you'll be making 15-20/hr easy.
other anon here
ive been thinking about getting into art seriously after dropping out of my last apprentice ship due to addiction and other issues
but after reading up so much about what it takes to be anywhere near professional, i dont think i have what it takes to be like that obsessively hard working people that study 8 hours a day really intensely everyone is speaking about
i have been really lying to myself the last three years about my art based on the reaction i got from people in real life that i got lazy with learning and only made small progress
im 22 and i haven`t finished a apprenticeship and i dont know what to do with my life now
i could just drop everything and become that person that lives art 24/7 so he might get a job in that direction one day
but how am i supposed to do overcome a challenge that takes a really dedicated person when i cant overcome challenges normal people can handle?
i thought about trying really hard to get back into a normal workspace after im done with art school (they already accepted my application) if i cant manage to get atleast ok in those additional 3 years and just take the degree they are giving me, and if i cant find a normal clerk job or some shit ill take part time and do comissions if i have arrived at that level i can sell something
i dunno why but /ic/ makes me feel really really desperate, maybe because most anons here are ultra critical and fatalistic
>>2528709
post
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>>2533164
You just made me order a pizza. I always tip $3 for them to drive 2 miles to bring me my pizza. Is that reasonable?
>>2527981
agreeing here
working in a electronics factory
its alright i guess, i hate it sometimes but its not a matter of suicide
>>2533175
not gonna make it
logically, if you're not gud right now, your life should mostly be dominated by your back up plan. thats what a back up plan really is, unless youre a financial dependent. in that case mom and/or dad would be the back up plan.
>>2533233
then what should i do?
art obviously not because it takes full autism to do it
or you just wanted to provoke me to try harder
>>2533238
you become the autism, anon. that's all I can say.
You relinquish everything that the normie mold taught you and embrace the autism, and with that an obsession for drawing from opening your eyes to closing your eyes.
>>2533242
this nigga knows what's up, going full autist is the best
>>2533175
>> i dont think i have what it takes to be like that obsessively hard working people that study 8 hours a day really intensely everyone is speaking about
It only takes that long if your looking for the funnest jobs , something like a concept artist, illustrator, comic artist ect; These jobs have retarded amounts of competition which is why it takes so long.
You can get a fairly menial ok paying art job within 2 years of barely any work with decent connections. I know of many people doing animation cleanup or 3d modeling who are on par with or even worse than the average deviant art artist.
Arborist seems like easy cash
>>2533175
Hi anon, not everyone here is awful. I don't have a lot of advice other than people don't usually pursue art as a career without already having a love for it. If you're just looking at it as a career option, like 'draw, make money', and you're a complete beginner, you're getting the worst of both worlds. You have to work hard, and not for any expression or passion, just to make money eventually, and that's no way to live. Well I say that, but that's how a lot of people live their lives.
The difference with art is that it takes a long time from beginner to being good enough to begin making real money. Its not like a degree, where you spend a year getting a qualification and then you are good enough to get a job. But if you love drawing or painting enough, and you have the years to spare, you just start at the complete bottom like everyone else does. You don't need to be a pro to get commissions or a low paying job, but if you want a career in art you will have just learn to dedicate yourself to it.
>>2533164
it might just be a US thing but it's pretty unheard of to tip delivery drivers in the UK
>>2527277
You are very correct, actually.
>>2533235
what a load of BS
>>2533242
someone telling i cant do it actually motivated me
i will leave my comfort zone and learn so much that leaving my comfort zone
WILL be my comfort zone
>>2533246
well, and i thought that was the norm
hmm
>>2533251
i actually enjoy drawing, thats why i had the idea of possibly getting anywhere near anything professional
i worked for a very casual project of a friend once and i really enjoyed it, so its actually kind of a passion for me right now
thanks for the info everyone, and sorry for the terrible bout of self doubt in my original post, i just fagged out
as a casual artist atm i can say that coming to ic was a painful but probably very constructive decision
>>2533245
>going full autist is the best
for some reason this made me kek
>>2533238
depending on how far you are into it, just slowly immerse yourself into the life of a professional artist. get artist friends, join sketch groups, go to life drawing sessions, sketch walks, start with some plain air etc. try as many things as you can even if it's not on your 'path'
once you find your whole life immersed in the world of art it's really easy to get serious about it.
>>2533270
ok i will try anon
>>2528018
im curious, do you use pose maniac for getting your poses?
>>2533164
How much you get in tips depends who you and what you look like, too. Also Asians don't tip either.
Better if they just paid a normal wage like other countries do.
>>2533289
white ppl don't tip either if they are from europe, or pretty much from anywhere not-america, since it's the single place where restaurants aren't suppose to pay their employs
>>2533178
$3 is fine for a pizza or two, no worries.
>>2533289
>>2533305
>Better if they just paid a normal wage like other countries do.
Nah; high minimum wage = higher cost of living. European city folks are going to be paying first world prices (not to mention ludicrous taxes and VAT) for the privilege of living in a low-trust third world society pretty soon, like they do in New York. They'll wish they had a more laissez-faire arrangement when all's said and done.
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=United+States&city1=Minneapolis%2C+MN&country2=United+Kingdom&city2=London
That said, most servers in the U.S get about the federal minimum wage, sometimes more. Domino's pizza for example pays $10 an hour (about the UK minimum) for delivery drivers, I think. Less than 4% of workers make the federal minimum or below, here, and the really retarded wages which end up being something like $2.00 an hour are reserved for bar tenders whom often make $20-25 an hour in spite of that. Tipping is considered a courtesy, here. An informal expression of appreciation despite the fact I'm confident our serving staff do not make much less than Britcuck staff, with few exceptions.
>>2533333
fuckin' checked
>do you have a backup plan?
I don't even have a regular plan
>>2533350
this
>>2527272
I want to git gud for the creative fulfillment I lack in my life. Even if I can't make money off of it, I think I'd be happy wageslaving as long as I could draw.
I am a simple man, with simple needs, and a small amount of money is enough to meet those needs, but what I do need more than anything is to git gud, and unfortunately money can't buy that.
>>2533518
agreed. the only thing i can't sacrifice is decent food, you are what you eat after all, somewhere to live that isn't with my parents and wifi which is almost everywhere now. i'd be happy living on a part time job for the next 10-15 years
>>2533542
>agreed. the only thing i can't sacrifice is decent food
This is true, but if you know how to cook you can eat well on a little money
Bean burgers, bean tacos, bean salad, bean curry, ah the beans, so filling, so cheap.
>>2527590
I thought this thread would be better than making a new one. Does anyone have a friend or is in UX/UI design? Is it a meme? I'll tell a story but you can skip it.
start
I did a lot of art as a kid but it was never very good, mostly I used charcoal and fine pencils to sketch disturbing stuff like demons and murder. My parents told me to stop doing art because it scared them but I was just doing that to get out traumas of bullies and grandparents dying.
I agreed to stop because my drawings were frankly shit and I knew it so I listened to them and went to a state U for business and had a successful print shop (think Indie Kinkos) going for 8 years. The business side is wearing me down.
END STORY
Sorry anyway long story short: is UX Design a meme? I notice on indeed.com the jobs looked freaking insane. We are talking up to 150k a year and you get to work in silicon valley. I did research and it appears that if you can sketch out things and are very intelligent (I was Summa Cum Laude so maybe I am intelligent) you can do just fine. i.e. your art skills are shit but you can be all right and be creative.
Was just wondering how true it is, how hard is it to increase your skills in art to just get by or is it something you need extreme passion for?
Honestly, I just want a six figure job that isn't done to death like Pharmacy or Law. Sorry I guess I am just a corporate jerk, I understand if nobody wants to help me but I seriously want to be VERY good at UX Design if that helps.
>>2533582
>so maybe I am intelligent
no, if you need to ask questions about future career prospects on fucking 4chan you're most definitely not intelligent
>>2533582
Not gonna make it.
>>2533584
I thought thats what everyone else is doing here.
Just wanted to see if someone was in UX.
>>2533582
Why don't you make a little portfolio of UX designs and apply for some? They won't hire you on "intelligence". Those insanely huge salary jobs for UI and UX will probably go to designers with a huge amount of experience and big games behind them.
>>2533582
I know someone who is in UI and got a job at a AAA company right out of college. It's much less competitive, so a good start for creatives who might want to climb up to concept art.
Idk. Not really art, but I thinking of doing a 2 yr Web and Digital Media Design program. The Web dev part makes me think its more computer science-y so I'll be more employable.
>>2527288
I put my dreams on hold to become an engineer so I could have it safely, and let me tell you, it's a fucking nightmare. not having time to focus on art is absolute shit.
I kinda envy your determination.
No backup
Burning the bridges. there's no other way
>>2538107
Scorched earth policy. Burn everything else that could provide sustenance. Art is the only way forward.
Do not accept defeat and become a mere genocidal dictator like that pussy Adolf Hitler.
>do you have a backup plan?
Yeah.
It's called suicide.
Failure is not an option.
