Questions that don't deserve their own thread.
does anyone have that image the breaks down the colours underneath the skin of the face both simply (forehead=yellow, cheeks/nose=red, chin=blue) and more complexly? i believe the explanation was illustrated on a male bust
>>2524558
I want to get into graffiti, not tagging on walls and Shit I mean drawing/spraying inside, I did a bit of it in HS and really enjoyed it what are some good books to learn?
the book thread is gone. where can I download Vanderpoel?
https://fr.pinterest.com/search/pins/?0=lisa&q=lisa%20orth&rs=typed
How do you call this style in general? The one with many lines? Any examples of early inspirations.? Thanks.
>>2525593
>scroll down the page
>shitty signup ui eventually takes up the whole screen
fuck pintrest
I have 100usd to spend. What should I buy (something art-related)?
>>2525737
Art lessons
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/W5oaWn5.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
How does one draw from imagination?
I've been training at drawing from reference or a real model for years now and I'm getting good at it, but if you ask me to draw a girl's face or a fully clothed figure just from imagination I'll do the shittiest drawing ever.
You can say "just imagine boxes in perspective", but how do you design/place the folds of the clothing properly/ keep proportions and perspective correct/everything ?? It's fucking impossible I swear, and getting it correct on the first try is even harder
>>2525888
All of those things like folds, perspective and proportions follow some rules which you can learn. It's difficult to get them down all at once, just like it's difficult to know world's history well after a few hours of studying, but if you're dedicated, you can digest it bit by bit and improve slowly but surely. Each little piece of information will make your imaginative drawings look better.
How do I get brushstrokes like this? So simple yet so perfect dammnnnnnn
>>2525888
Speking of Jung Gi, anyone know how he manages to create gradients and value with brush pens?
>>2526011
Uses finger to smudge quickly after a stroke, check the videos
How do I take payments anonymously? I don't really want to associate my smutty stuff with my real name.
>>2525971
The brushstrokes themselves aren't fancy or special, they are just skillfully done and economical. Looks like it's painted fairly transparently and carefully built up from larger shapes to smaller ones. He is using texture brushes but also manually hatching in textures.
>>2526011
In addition to >>2526012 he also uses slightly dried out brush pens so there is less ink that comes out and it comes out over the texture of the paper more.
Anybody have any hand exercises to stop your hand from cramping? I've lately been feeling a cramp on my hand whenever I draw for a long period of time.
>>2526680
1. Use tripod grip.
2. Use your shoulder muscles for everything except fine details. Do the Peter Han exercises to learn this if you don't already know how.
3. Grip as lightly as possible. Use pens/pencils with knurled metal or rubber grips so they won't slip even with light pressure.
how do you come to terms with being an absolute mediocre loser
I wanna find reprints/reproductions of some famous works. Is ebay the best site or are there hidden gems for cheaper/higher quality stuff?
Does anybody draw without dragging their hand on the page? I think you are supposed to drag your hand for stability, but this has some problems:
1. change in friction when you get to the edge of the page messes up the line
2. if you contact with skin, friction is inconsistent and hard to control (also smudging)
3. if you contact with fingernails, hand is painfully contorted (I have short fingers, maybe it's less painful with normal fingers). Additionally it becomes very difficult to do finger drawing for details.
If it's possible to git gud with no hand on paper contact at all, I would like to do that. Is it possible?
How do I force myself to draw more?
>>2526762
you are only allowed to masturbate for every two hours of drawings
When blocking out a flat color under your drawing to work in cells, is there a fast technique in Ps other than painting by hand every border of your drawing?
I can't be friends with selection tools :/
>>2524558
>>2524903
I'm sure there are books out there, but I don't know what they are. I will say a couple things, though. As far as design goes there's tons of books to look at or just go online. As for application to wall surfaces, it's best to learn from someone who is experienced, much like learning from a tattoo artist how to tattoo. Also, a lot of graffiti nerds will tell you you're a scrub for trying to learn out of a book. Go hang where people usually do graffiti and see if you can cop some tips. It's not super hard to learn the basics, man. I used to do it.
How do you take excellent digital pictures of your non-digital art for use in a blog?
I am so fucking bad at this it's pathetic. I see other images and it's like, fucking flawless like a picture in a glossy text book. Mine just look like foggy poop.
>>2526791
Use a normal to long focal length lens with even lighting while the art is pressed or pulled against a flat surface.
Do not use flash. Adjust your white balance, chroma, and values with a properly calibrated monitor.
>>2526770
Hey, that's pretty smart.
I'll try it.
>>2526792
What if I don't have the camera equipment ? Is it worth tracking down someone who does ? Can it be done with a iPhone camera ?
>>2526825
Iphones have a tiny little shitty sensors and a super wide angle lens that ends up being still a wide-ish angle equivalent. You will get distortion but can probably correct for color.
It really just depends on how much you care.
What is a good paper to use with alcohol-based markers? Currently using pic related but I'm worried about it draining all of my ink.
>>2526834
My goal is to create a nice blog to show my art off to galleries. Gallery directors often ask if I have a website or blog, so I'm thinking I'll create one. I have the whole blog thing down, I just suck ass at pictures.
So, I care a lot ?
Any sites that give good lessons on coloring and values?
Is there any way to imply words in a painting? I mean, I know there are mouth shapes you can emulate and all, but I don't feel it's enough.
>>2526663
bitcoin
>>2526786
thanks
> Questions that don't deserve their own threads
Where did this shitty meme start? Just call it the "Question thread" and be done with it.
Heading to the army for a year and I know that my painting is gonna degrade no avoiding it but I'd like to at least keep my drawing skills at maintenance, what exercises should I do other than fundamentals and studying whats around me?
>>2525888
Composition helped me with drawing from imagination, sycras videos on this especially the first and last lesson are the most instructive but composition helps a lot
I need myself a tablet, got 200 cad to spend. what do?
>>2526735
Read Art and Fear
>>2526779
Selection tools or the pen tool or do it manually or close the linework and select the inner shape
>>2527056
Pretty sure it's a thread that appears across different boards on 4chan, not just /ic/
>>2527066
Just draw when you can. A year won't ruin you, and if anything you will gain new experiences in the army. Take mental notes of design and whatnot if you want. Kim Jung Gi's army time taught him a lot about drawing guns and military subjects.
>>2527108
>Pretty sure it's a thread that appears across different boards on 4chan, not just /ic/
It's only started appearing recently (first spotted it on /fit/) and has been trying to force it's way into /g/ to try and take the place of the /sqt/ (stupid questions thread)
Am I right to assume if I just do tons of stuff in the style I'm interested in I'll eventually get better, does practice really make perfect or will I have to do courses at college and stuff like that?
>>2527237
learn the fundamentals. get everything looking to a near professional standard and don't think too hard about style, especially in the beginning or it WILL halt your progress.
>will I have to do courses at college
lol no, all the information you need to get good is online. go through the books in the sticky and don't skip a single step until you are 100% comfortable with it no matter how boring it is or you will just damage your progress. also try and get yourself on a schedule. 5+ hours of focused work a day seems to be an ideal amount for getting good as fast as possible, but don't overwork yourself or force yourself to work long hours if you don't feel like you're learning anything. always analyse you're work etc.
What brushes and brushtrokes should I use to achieve something like this?
How do I achieve solid brush marker coloring? My coloring is very "strokey" and "streaky."
Also what is a good drawing book / pad for this sort of medium? (Brush pen, gel pen, brush marker)
>>2527374
it looks like they used the chalk brush, or a custom textured chalk brush for most/the whole thing
>>2524558
Do you guys know any good and simple exercises to develop motor skills and muscle memory for drawing with a pencil? I'm pretty much a beginner and my lines are really shaky.
>>2528032
get a sketch book and draw lines as much as possible, as your confidence goes up so will the quality of your lines
>>2528034
Does it matter much whether I draw from the wrist, elbow, or shoulder?
>>2528035
try and keep wrist and and still and move your arm IIRC the faster you do it the neater it is
>>2528038
Is an A/4 too small?
>>2528041
no it's fine
>>2528042
Thanks for the help!
Also, do you know any good books on construction besides Loomis? I couldn't find any and I find it hard to believe that only Loomis would write about the subject.
>>2528038
>IIRC the faster you do it the neater it is
False. There's a sweet spot of speed when neatest is maximum. Both very fast and very slow are bad.
>>2528035
Draw from the shoulder (and in practice always some elbow too) to get long lines without chicken scratch. Not as precise as drawing with fingers+wrist, but peak signal to noise ratio is higher. This means if you shoulder draw on big paper and scale it down to finger drawing size it will look better than a finger drawing. And you can still finger draw for small details. It's the same argument as for playing low sensitivity in FPSs (actually a stronger argument because timing isn't critical in drawing).
Also, if you think learning shoulder drawing is impossible, consider how you move you mouse in games. Maybe you already shoulder mouse, which means you definitely can learn to shoulder draw.
So now that I've gotten to the point that I've started throwing a portfolio together, I realize I pretty much know jack shit about graphic design.
Where do I start? I've studied actual composition, so I know about rule of thirds/golden ratio etc. But are there any sources for specifically non-comic page layout?
Two questions:
Should I use Sakura Koi brush markers on watercolor paper? If not, what kind of paper can I use them on?
What are the best stores to buy materials from?
has anyone here ever gotten shadowbanned on social media and how did you deal with it
if you're just gonna chimp out at me don't bother replying, i wanna know what you did or how it got better if it ever did.
>>2528547
Since they are water based, hot press watercolor paper or general mixed media paper should work fine.
Printer paper is also okay for practice.
How do I draw sexy poses?
How do I figure out the depth of the shoulder plane here in Hampton's book?
I understand how to grasp the purple and and green line, but the red line (depth) I can't seem to figure out how to determined the right angle. I mean, of course they connect from the purple and green line, but how do you figure out what angle they go in?
Why do many color wheels use the triangle over the square, when the triangle is clearly inferior in every aspect. Changing saturation and brightness is un-intuitive as fuck, not to mention some colors literally do not fit on the triangle and are omitted instead.
>>2529311
> not to mention some colors literally do not fit on the triangle and are omitted instead.
The fuck are you talking about? Show me an omitted color and I'll find it on a triangle. It has all the same damn colors, the square just has more redundancy.
is there any site that lists various art contests? or do you know of any interesting art contests going on now?
but not cartoon, more like illustration or fanart.
>>2529322
>>2529327
I opened it and color picked both greens. They're on the triangle, both in the same region as your second example.
If you take a color square on your canvas and move the color picker around with the triangle set for your palette, you'll see how it works.
When you guys send your drawings do you just send the drawing? Will adding a frame make me seem more professional?
how do I sketch?
I've been going through draw a box and scott robertson for a month now and I still don't really understand the 'true way' of sketching or putting lines on paper.
So far how I sketch: Think hard on what line I will put on paper, then motion the line, then put it down on paper.
Is this too slow? Or will I get faster on this overtime?
>>2528956
Anyone? ;_;
>>2529368
Take your time but draw from life that really helps. I used to do doodles amd draw for fun but i started taking drawing more seriously around a year ago i have plenty more to improve on but just drawing from life really helps. Also try watching videos of people drawing not those 5 minute videos but the ones that are at least 1 to 2 hours long. Watch their technique and try to apply it to yourself.
I watch:
Steve Carpenter
Davy Lim
Drawing tutorials online
Fine art Academy
Jeff Watts
How do comic artists can really clean white background pencils and inks?
>>2529441
*How do comic artists SCAN
>>2529461
You can adjust the levels in photoshop
>>2528956
It's a box. Think of it like a plane and get it to the view you want. If it looks right, then it's probably right.
should the outside of a line ever be used to describe the contour of a shape or should you only use the inside of the line?
How do I tell the difference between things taking time and just plain not improving?
>>2530022
You're actually struggling or you understand what needs to be done.
How glenn fabry this smooth shading tradicionally?
>>2530500
Looks like he's using a smudge stick
Is it a good thing to see everything as shapes or a bad thing to do?
>>2525888
>Scribble the idea you have, poses, positions, perspectives.
>Go back and draw details over it
>Go back again and do fine details. Look up a refrence if needed.
At least that's how I do it, but then again I'm a digital slut so layers are my best friend.
Can anyone recommend me any good art books on pen drawing so I can draw something like pic related
So I started drawing/painting in photoshop recently and I'm having a problem where if I try to paint a light/desaturated color on what, nothing shows up at all and I have to start a new layer to get the color to appear. Has anyone encountered this problem before? I couldn't find anything through google that dealt with this. Let me know if my explanation of the problem is unclear. Thank you
>>2530691
Seconding. I would love a book teaching me ballpoint techniques and shading methods.
Do you guys ever go through long periods where you just don't feel like drawing (out of frustration, boredom, etc)? How do you rekindle the flame?
>>2531181
Rewatch FZD's before and after
>>2531181
>How do you rekindle the flame?
You work through it.
The worst thing you can do is just wait for inspiration, sometimes it doesn't come, or at least takes a while. If necessary just do some comfort zone stuff to try and get your confidence up. I always find that when I've got a decent amount of confidence I experiment better, when I'm feeling demotivated I quite pretty fast when trying new things.
>>2531181
For some reason, drawing on other people's time requires so much less motivation than when I have nothing else to do. I fill up like 7 pages a day while I'm at work but when I get home it's such a struggle sometimes. Try drawing at work or in class or at church or whatever you do that you don't want to do.
>>2525971
How do you paint like this? Is there any definitive books teaching you painting? Gurney's books didn't help much since it's pretty advanced?
How do you read and capture subtle values like that? Most tutorials I've gone through have much more clearly defined light and dark separation and doesn't teach you when the lightning is more subtle like this
Anyone have any tips on how to shake the amateur look from a drawing?
>>2531472
It's more about local value in this case, the guys face is very dark by default, I guess these subtleties come only with practice, study similar pictures and try to do it like he did
Does anyone else have crippling anxiety when they sit down to draw that they might be practicing the wrong thing? Or that you might not be doing deliberate practice? If so, how do you get over this?
>>2532290
I know I suck and that it doesn't matter anyways.
>>2532290
All the time but I go back and look at what I've done and I am getting better so I must be doing something right.
is hampton /ic/ approved?
>>2532437
Yes, very much. Loomis, Vilppu, Hampton, Bridgman, Scott Robertson, Burne Hogarth is controversial because of how his stuff looks...
>want to draw dragons and other mythological beasts
>have no idea how to go about doing it
>loomis only seems to be for drawing humans
How the heck do I go about practicing this stuff?
Should I stick with pencils or should I switch to lead holders?
I just use the stuff to draw the general outlines and some important details on a drawing and it's when I'm inking that I bother to think about line variety and all that jazz. Tone isn't something usually I bother much at all with either since I just smother those areas in with lots of black.
>>2532570
Advantage of pencils:
Available in 10H, 9B, and 10B grades.
Possible to use at a slightly shallower angle if you sharpen them with a knife.
Advantage of leadholders:
Balance stays much more consistent.
Metal grip.
Has a pocket clip, and point is retractable, so easy to carry.
Spare leads take less space than spare pencils.
Leadholders are better IMO.
>>2532577
Thanks man. What brand though? Staedtler and Rotring are the most common in my country, but I might be able to find others with some searching or by ordering from Amazon.
>>2532580
I'm happy with my Staedtler 780. Pick whatever looks comfortable. They all draw the same.
How do you get the circle on the ground plane? Everything else is explained well, but it's never explained how to figure out the width of the circle on the ground plane.
what do you guys think of playing osu to improve hand eye coordination (besides actually just drawing).
>>2532622
It doesn't work and you should feel bad for thinking that's drawing. If you want to get better at drawing, draw.
>>2532570
Use both. Lead holders will get you a more precise, sharper look, pencils will allow you to work looser. You also have a much wider variety of grades and selection of actual good brands when it comes to pencils than you do with 2mm lead. Staedtler is definitely top quality, though. The lead holder itself doesn't really matter, just get whatever is well built and feels good to you.
>>2532615
It's an ellipse in a box.
>>2532637
So is the width just an arbitrary mark?
>>2532615
You can project points from the ellipse to the bottom of the square using vertical lines, then trace those back to the vanishing point to get their position on the square in the ground plane. Kind of confusing to explain in text form and I couldn't find a good enough image online. I recommend watching Marshall Vandruff's chalkboard perspective series.
How do I get regular/repeat clients? I'd like to find a client that's regular and can fill in my queue in a down month? Also, the Monoprice tablet I've used the last 2 years is already dying. What's s good tablet for around or under $500
does anyone have that "fresh prince of baudelaire" pic?
it's baudelaire's face pasted over will smith's if I remember correctly, a good shoop too
What's the best way to learn how to draw? I watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rI6q6bv7do and it seemed like the best way to learn but I can't really afford to go to school. Is there any way I can learn my fundamentals that well on my own?
sorry if this is a stupid question, but I'm a beginner in perspective and I'm confused by this part.
I don't understand the exceptions, why do lines that are parallel to the horizon not have a vanishing point? why does he say the telephone poles and fence posts don’t have a vanishing point either?
>>2532746
They go on forever and never converge.
>>2532750
oh, thanks.
>>2532738
The only person who knows the best way is yourself.
Yes, you can learn the fundamentals by yourself to that level. The sticky goes over them. If you're still lost, come back and ask.
>>2532555
Fantasy creatures are always based on culminations of traits of real life animals. Study creatures in real life which share traits similar to dragons (reptiles, winged creatures, creatures with snouts)
When constructing them, just remember construction is the same for any subject ever: they're all comprised of some sort of grouping and connecting of shapes. Take a look at a dragon's head: Sphere with a rectangular prism attached to it.
Help me /ic/ I'm having trouble getting followers on Tumblr even though I got a large number of notes per upload (around 20 followers per 1000 notes)
am I missing something? Is there some etiquette I'm missing since I'm quite new to Tumblr. and no I won't post my blog here
confused here, help?
>>2533064
What do you not understand?
How reliable is >>2532499 as a starting point?
It definitely feels less intimidating than aguri.
>>2533077
>so that the distance from the tack to the line is the same along the two edges of the paper.
>>2533088
Pic related is the distance he is talking about
Its the same on both sides of the tack
I don't know what I'm supposed to be drawing. the books are so daunting and videos aren't helpful. I just want to know what to do.
When I trace a circular object, it comes out as an oval. How do I fix this? Know next to nothing about computers.
>>2533163
>how do I fix this
Get a Huion Giano. You have an old or small tablet with dimensions that don't mesh with the resolution of your monitor.
>>2533168
Can't I change the dimensions? I'm kinda poor so I can't afford to buy a new tablet.
>>2533171
what tablet you got
You should just be able to go into the drivers
>>2533180
Genius Easypen i405x. Got it mainly cause it was cheap. I know this is asking too much but can you tell me what to do to solve my problem?
>>2533188
>Genius Easypen i405x
Not gonna lie, never even heard of this model before, however i'm going to assume that the tablet has a driver, if there's not one installed google it to find your driver, once there there should be a resolution/aspect ratio setting.
However before you do that make sure its actually the aspect ratio, I had the same problem with my wacom pro, it was only slightly off but i could feel it. Get something round like a coin place it on the pad and draw round it. If the circle on screen is not round then its the pads fault, if it is round then that is a drawing issue.
What would an N look like in a minimal style i.e a = triangle so far I can only think of maybe a \ but I'm not sure
What do you believe is the most useful traditional technique to learn for a beginner? The one that can help me be good at others ? Maybe watercolour like master loomis says ?(?????)
>>2533351
uhh.. lines?
>>2533334
something like this?
Any good tutorials on how to draw a Circle in perspective?
>>2533380
thanks
>>2533382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaZmwHU7vZo
>>2533377
i meant watercolor, ecoline etc
thanks anyway
>>2533382
draw a square in perpective ,then draw an x into it from the corners then use the x to make a cross then use that as thee base for the circle in perpective .
>>2533421
there's a chapter that explains how to check ellipses with squares. you're going to have to read up on how to make squares in perspective first, i think it's in the chapter about making grids using 45 degree lines from the station point.
>>2533421
i just checked, read through chapter 4, then chapter 5. i'm not sure what you're missing, it seems to be all there. the exercises at the beginning are just getting you used to drawing ellipses regardless of perspective
I guess I'm more confused as to how you figure out if the minor axis is correct. Do you just guesstimate with the lines provided?
the perspective grid method doesn't display much how to figure out other perspective lines with more verticals
>>2533640
What is this book and why is it teaching how to use ellipses to draw a box?
>>2533640
the minor axis always points to the vanishing point and the degree . it's all in page 72 and 73
>>2533642
scott robertson - how to draw
Is there a good resource for high resolution, close-up images of various body parts with good lighting for studying anatomy?
>>2533670
Asking how do I make sure the perspective is correct on the minor axis.
>>2533700
Try it and see. You should know how to self critique
is it enough to understand proportional relationships, angles etc or do you have to first hone the skills of a photocopier if you want to git gud at imagination stuff?
for example, i can pretty easily draw a likeness in a face, but i'm hopeless at drawing anything that would line up with a photograph even closely
>>2533705
That demonstrates you might be lacking in skill, but really it's up to you. There are no set rules.
>>2533702
read. the. book.
What do I do if I have the drive to draw but just cannot draw at all? My sketches are not coming out how I want at all, and it is becoming very frustrating. I feel like I am pushing myself far too hard or something.
>>2533747
this might be helpful to know. apart from that, just know that the way to get through it is just keep drawing and trying to figure out what looks wrong
>>2524558
im looking for an art quote to the effect of:
Knowing someone doesnt help you paint them
its all about the knowledge
i think there may have been something about how to render a speck of light on an eye as well
Please help.
>>2533765
>tfw will never experience being too good for my own eye
>>2533861
Probably not exactly what you are looking for, but Sargent discouraged people from painting friends because you get caught up in trying to capture likeness instead of solid technique.
And in the Mullins pdf he talks about the structures of the eye and how the light interacts with it in some detail. He uses it as an example of how knowledge supports your art and you need to know a great deal to paint things, and he goes on to say that this isn't to discourage or overwhelm people--just learn things gradually over time and make sure to never forget.
>>2533872
That graph is not all that accurate in terms of how people progress. I would take the entire thing with a grain of salt.
>>2533872
i know that feel. before i got serious i used to always get the feeling like i was improving but for the past year i haven't felt like my skills are better than my eye once, it always feels way far behind. at least looking back through the months i can still see a lot of improvement so i'm not stagnating
How do I draw the gesture and not the contour?
>>2533959
Feel the form
>>2533961
That's way too vague for me.
How the FUCK do you color with brush markers?
I feel like I'm totally lost on this and it is very difficult to understand or discover resources or help on it and it's very frustrating.
is it worth changing your pen grip if it's something other than a tripod grip? i'm not having any wrist/arm pains and can draw for 5 hours without getting tired, draw with arm etc.
>>2534448
What was the old saying?
Oh yeah~
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
>>2534047
I'm no good yet, but I've gotten better since I started, so I think it's just a matter of getting used to the medium. No amount of theory can help you understand how much pressure to apply to get a clean block, it just kind of... Happens.
>TL;DR
>practice
You have this lead holder. You have a case of 2b lead.
If you had to choose one other lead hardness, which would you select?
Any methods for getting faster at drawing?
>>2534909
4B.
>>2534931
Git gud
>>2534448
It depends on what you're using, and your drawing surface. You won't be making proper use of a well-sharpened charcoal pencil with a tripod grip, except for drawing very fine details, just like you probably don't want to use an overhand grip all the time for drawing with graphite or a fine tip pen, especially on a flat horizontal surface.
What was your yearly schedule to getting good? Did you start with the fundies? Which one first? Or did you just jump in because you understood what you needed already?
Does anyone elses frontal lobe feel weird when you're drawing the reference in the opposite direction?
>>2534943
That's called struggling, anon, glad to hear you're finally out of your comfort zone.
Amateur comic artist that doesn't use blue led, a lightbox, or even digital. Tried all and didn't like them. Always told that tools dont make the artist but I follow a lot of pros and they all use at least 2 of these things. Am I a fool?
>>2534950
Yeah, you are a fool. Do whatever the fuck you want. No one cares about the process. Only the end result. Some do use lightbox for tracing or whatever. Some just use digital to reproduce the effects.
>>2534942
first comes pen skills, then perspective/form building and figures can be learned at the same time. after getting competent at those anything goes
Will marker pen go through 165 GSM?
I don't know if this is the right board but it's to do with mixing colors so here goes.
I'm trying to mix the exact color of pic related with makeup. I need it to cover an ugly red birthmark on my neck.
I have a bunch of shades to use, but never the perfect one. One is nice but dries too red and dark, the other too orange, and I have pure white to mix too. They're special brands made to last long since it's my neck not face, and I can find any perfect shades. Whatever mix I try it's either too light, dark, or completely off my skin color.
Pls halp /ic/
>>2524558
I have been drawing traditionally for around 20 years (yes I'm old old fag), mostly for fun. I think about trying digital. What can I expect? Will my level drop and do I need to build up again?
>>2536232
Thanks anon will ask there
I want to make a few paintings to sell in an upcoming art show in my area. What sorts of things do people like physical paintings of? Landscapes? Wildlife? Women?
>>2536293
Landscapes
Flowers / still life
Women, but not so much portraits
does anyone know the name of this pencil?
>>2536293
Depends so much on the audience. Is it an old person venue? If so, paint landscapes and animals and shit. If its a place younger people frequent, paint what you're good at. Make it bold, stand out apart from the rest, and ideally portraits. I used to sell at exhibitions with an organization, and its quite easy to see which paintings will sell and which won't.
Remember, if it would look great on a wall, people will be more likely to buy it.
>>2536540
Looks very similar to a Rotring 500 or Rotring 600, but the tip is slightly different and the knurling is coarser. Maybe some Chinese knockoff, or maybe some old version of the design.
>>2530691
>>2531179
Maybe this book?
>>2533163
Ok homies
I've finally figured out my main problem
The problem that has been keeping me from making my own original illustrations and actually progressing in my career.
What are some ways to train my inner story teller?
I can draw (almost) anything that comes to mind, but they fall short because there's no emotional connection to them.
How do I keep my characters/environments from being lifeless? Maybe not in terms of the gesture or the quality of line, but in terms of the actual impact it has on the audience. How do I give my creations weight so they actually feel like fleshed out characters, rather than drawing a seemingly endless supply of knights or space marines?
>>2536932
That's what composition is, anon. Look it up in the sticky.
>>2536935
Nono
I completely understand compostion.
I guess what I'm asking is how to be a better storyteller? How do I get my audience to have an emotional connection with my pieces rather than the audience looking and not feeling anything.
With a lot of concept artwork, usually the artist gets a prompt (however vague or specific) and draws based from that. Mtg does that, ILM, DnD, Games Workshop, any illustration job that has a world based around it to pull characters and stories from.
But since I'm by myself I don't really have an art director or producer to tell me what to draw, I assume those roles instead. Which brings me back to my question as to how to make an engaging story for me to springboard into creating a design to fit the story?
Maybe I just have to read and write more.
>>2533163
Your tablet probably isn't using the same proportions as your screen. If you're using a wacom tablet there's a "force proportions" button that ensures your tablet's drawing area aligns with the resolution of your monitor.
Funny enough if anyone is having trouble with circles I suggest they look and see if this is the problem. I remember this came up in an earlier thread and it's more common than you'd think. Try tracing around a coin to see how it looks.
>>2537191
is the problem that you don't have satisfactory prompts to base illustrations on? or that even when given an engaging story, your illustrations seem lifeless?
>>2537233
>is the problem that you don't have satisfactory prompts to base illustrations on?
You were able to put into a sentence what took me 2 paragraphs worth of replies...
Yes that is my problem. Since I have to make the prompt myself, i end up spending more time thinking about the prompt instead of drawing.
>>2537241
Just grab a random story from a mythology you like. There's countless stories with interesting characters and interactions and scenes that have already been created and are just begging for an artist to paint out. Hell, even just reading a synopsis of one should be enough to give ideas.
>>2537241
ahh i see. well in that case you have to make a choice. either (a) commit to becoming a good storyteller yourself or (b) accept that this isn't your forte and bring someone else on board to write stories for you.
(a) become a storyteller: read/watch/listen more, study and analyze stories, hang out with other creators irl or online, write A LOT and i mean A LOT (writing is just like drawing, it takes practice and it starts at level 0)
(b) someone else writes for you: find a friend who's good at writing stories and bounce ideas off them. ask a stranger on the internet. befriend a stranger on the internet and ask them to write for you. hire someone idk. alternately, you can use story prompt generators online, but good luck finding results you would seriously work with
(c) obscure fanart
>>2537262
>>2537265
Thanks guys for the quick responses! I seriously appreciate it.
Is it usually common for an illustrator/designer to give themselves their own prompts? Or is it more common to find an interesting story and make illustrations from that?
I guess it depends from artist to artist, but I guess being purely "everything I make must come from me" is more isolating and restrictive than being more open minded.
I've been looking for a while, does anyone have traditional or digital drawing/painting processes of Seung Eun Kim? I looked so long and haven't found anything I don't even think they exist. Anyone have any idea where to find them or if he even made any?
How much technical skill and formal training do contemporary artists have?
>>2537929
Highly varies. There is no one answer since "contemporary artists" is a term that literally covers everybody alive today. You have people who have almost zero technical skill and no formal training who are successful, and you have people who are approaching the old masters in skill level and then everything in between.
>>2524558
I use clipping masks a lot in photoshop. When I try to duplicate a layer in the clipping mask, the layers above fall out of the clipping mask. This is extremely annoying, anyone know how to fix?
>>2524558
How do you animate longer segments in clip studio?
>>2537934
Who are the successful people without formal training and almost zero technical skill?
i want to start plein air painting, but i'm completely new to painting. should i practice with digital first or go straight into learning acrylics?
>>2538652
Plein air is very difficult as it is, so trying digital plein air is asking for more things to go wrong. Practice with acrylics indoors (master copies or still life), then try acrylics outdoors.
>>2538657
would digital not make learning to paint easier?
I dissect cadavers every week and study anatomy from a clinical perspective, so my knowledge of muscle placement, function, origin and insertion are pretty good. Is it still worth buying and watching viluppu's anatomy lectures do you think?
>>2538893
The fact you even ask tells me yes, because you probably wouldn't ask if you were good.
>>2538897
Thanks anon, was just wondering because weird as it sounds I thought having a different perspective of anatomy would be more helpful for drawing figures and forms accurately
how do you go about painting enviornments with many complex object scattered throughout, like in pic related
i really struggle once theres so many things i have to take into account
>>2538970
think of the larger forms first, paint those in, then break them down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5n02cADcSk
Is there a way in photoshop to get a list of ALL the colors used in a file (in a simple grid format preferrably)? I'm trying using histogram but I don't think it allows for that.
Second question: is there a limit to how many times you can paint on top of paint, in traditional, where it maybe becomes too thick/extruded from the surface and it looks like shit or something? I am amazed by very complex paintings with small details, and with my current knowledge, I feel that you can only achieve some of those with tons and tons of layers of paint on top of each other.
Thanks
>>2526848
Vellum or smooth Bristol
Vellum is better for blending and smooth is better for solid color
Ok a little primer
During the school semesters,I am extremely work efficient and I get my shit done on time. The part that sucks is once I get into break or summer hits, that intensity of a work ethic stops completely. I think my mind switches into "break mode" and I start to just relax and spend time with family and friends. It's not like I stop drawing, but it's nowhere near the intensity during school.
Does this idea of keeping a constant work ethic come with maturity and experience? How can I slowly condition myself to kind of create a way for me to put myself into these high-intensity bursts of picture making or concept art?
danish ic bros where do you buy your art supplies online?
>>2539656
That's for you to figure out, just do it.
Should I even fucking try to learn how to draw decently? There's so much that I want - that I NEED - to do with drawing but it feels like it's something that I just wasn't born for. What the fuck /ic/, how do I gitgud? No amount of sheer, deliberate practice feels like progress and it seems that with each passing days my sketches are coming far worse than the last one than I did.
What can I do? What steps I must take? Should I give up?
Is it good? I just did it to ilustrate a poem I wrote.
>>2540076
Yes. Give up. The fact that you're even asking says that you aren't ready. You have greater problems than drawing. You need to fix yourself first then come back when you've done so. It's not quick either, might take you years before you come back, but it's required. You won't make it at this rate. Too negative, too many excuses, and just simply too many wants. Everyone wants something, but without a will, it's not going to be done. You have to be willing to put in the work and you're not going to make it unless you can resolve your own issues before tackling drawing.
>>2540097
Hah, thank you, it's like you've could read my mind. I'll just throw those supplies out of the window or give them to some friends, 'dunno.
>>2540076
>>2540114
If you're this eager to quit then yeah, just quit. You say you want (and even go so far as to say you need) to draw, but all it takes is one guy to say "give it up" and you're ready to ditch.
Sleep on it, though. It's easy to say "fuck it" when you've just had a frustrating session. How long have you been trying for? How many hours a day? Have you been watching/reading any instructional material?
>>2540126
I'll be honest with you, I don't invest too much time on it because of that reason. That's why I'm asking. We're talking about half or an hour per week and I know this is far from the recommended amount of practice.
I do take a look on tutorials every now and then, and since, my sketchbook are shock full of badly, chicken-scratched stuff like the pic I posted.
Yet, no matter how frustrated I get, I always feel this "urge" to comeback and dive straight into practice, just because I need to draw my thoughts on paper. It's vicious cycle of frustration and determination.
... Maybe I need a psychiatrist rather than deliberate practice.
Completely brand new to drawing, i'd like to get into drawing cartoony stuff either for animated shorts or webcomics. I've noticed a few problems that I have.
1. I can't seem to draw a line or a circle or any shape well on command. My handwriting is awful but I never thought about this much until now, do I just have bad wrist mobility?
2. When I observe an object and attempt to transfer it to paper it seems to always come out really wrong, especially if i'm copying something real (not a cartoon). What I generally mean by wrong is that the basic shapes seem to come out wrong (see problem 1) and various parts of the drawing end up larger in scale than others. I feel like either my eyes or my minds eye doesn't work properly...
3. When I try to draw from imagination, the quality of the drawing goes into a nose dive. I understand I am "symbol drawing" but I seem unable to create a solid image in my head that freezes as one thing, and if I do the transference to paper doesn't work out.
How should I get started, we are talking bare basics can't even write legibly.
>>2540138
>inb4 wastes all of his day playing games
>>2540147
Another question: How to make drawing >fun like vidya? Heh. I don't want to be stuck forever as the "guy that plays a lotta games".
>>2540146
Cool, you've got a goal. Mind posting some influences so we really know what you're talking about?
1. Nah, you just have terrible muscle memory. It's too accustomed to bad habits and has to be overriden. A lot of artists go through this so don't worry. Drawabox lesson 1 really helps with this and drawing with the shoulder. It takes time though.
2. Yeah, you just lack experience. You need to train your eye and hand. Sticky has a lot of resources on that. Keys to drawing apparently, never used it myself, but supposedly it's good. You have to understand what you're seeing basically and it requires looking at specific things. The book tells you those. The scale issue is covered in the book too. It's called proportions and a lot of artists struggle with that and have to draw a lot before understanding it completely.
3. That's because you don't know how. Sticky covers that under construction. Basically, you have to set up your image with things such as perspective, composition, all the fundamentals listed in the sticky. They are essential to being good at art.
Get started with Keys to Drawing and Drawabox. Learn how to do confident fine lines and how to see. That should leave you on a good road for a few weeks. If you don't get it, take time to understand and ask yourself all the whys before asking here. We don't want to hold your hand. It'll be hard, boring and long, but you have to put up with the frustration. It's a friend and tells you that you need to improve.
>>2540152
I'm not entirely sure what my "influences" are, considering I have no artistic skill or style of my own.
If you are asking me about artists that I like, I'm a huge fan of Toshihiro Kawamoto's character design (especially his work on Golden Boy), I also really like Kenichi Sonoda and his work on Gunsmith Cats, Bubblegum Crisis and Riding Bean.
My guess would be that I would end up drawing something western-style as my skill improves though, unless I want to spend 5 years animating a short to get my glorious hand painted 80's designed sakuga.
For western animation I love Pinnochio and Fantasia, as well as classic looney tunes shorts of course, but that is less for character design and more for the animation itself (timing, facial expressions)
>>2540151
Enjoy it.
I know art schools are a scam and all that, but is it worth it to go to Art Center if I can go for free?
when i take a picture of what im drawing and open it on computer i can easily spot my mistakes but when i look at the original piece i just dont see them i have to put the paper next to my display to be able to fix it
what the fuck is this
>>2540763
Our brains are designed to filter out seemingly redundant information for efficiency. So after looking at the same picture the same way for an extended period of time, your eyes just get used to it and filter out anything that would otherwise seem incorrect. You're only able to see it when the image is given a new novelty (in your case, looking at it on a screen rather than a page), suddenly giving you 'fresh eyes'. Happens to us all.
Try periodically looking at it in a mirror (or if it's just a pencil drawing, you can also flip the page over and holding it up to light), as well as upside down and such. This is a quick way to induce that same novelty, so you can catch those sort of errors before they're too difficult to correct. And the more you get into the habit of checking yourself like this, the more you'll train your eye to correct or outright avoid these sort of errors during the process itself.
>>2540830
oh yea a mirror thats a good idea and faster than taking pictures with my phone
thanks
Is it worth finishing a drawing (for practice) if it's not fundamentally correct?
That is to say, is it worth practicing the details before getting down the basics?
>>2540910
That's for you to decide. Not others. If you enjoy details, it might be. Just know you still lack the fundies.
>>2540910
as long as you still work on both it's fine
>>2524558
I just started using Clip Studio for inking my line based commissions, and so far it seems vastly superior to Photoshop for linework. I haven't really looked into the painting aspects of the software yet and I wonder how it compares. Could you in theory replicate every custom brush for Photoshop in CSP? I like how the brushes look and feel in PS when I paint realistic stuff with lots of texture. It's mostly just how the engine handles long flowing strokes where I feel PS falls sort.
>>2540910
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Don't be too much of a perfectionist. Don't be the guy with a stash of anatomy studies and no finished work. I used to be that guy and it sucked. I felt like I was drawing all the time yet when strangers asked to see my art I didn't have anything to show them except pages of floating heads and limbs. I had this dumb idea that I didn't "deserve" to make finished work before my fundamentals were perfect. Well, guess what. As your skill improves you only set the bar higher - you'll never be good enough to make something finished if you are anything like me.
There is a lot of of problem solving you won't run into if you only do studies and will only be apparent when you try to make finished work aswell. When I look back at my old work, I don't look at my Loomis studies with the most affection but rather the pieces where I attempted to create something with a narrative. Flawed as they are, they show so much more creativity than my endles anatomy studies.
Can someone give me a short answer (if there is one) to what are some good hard drive back up strategies. Obviously I've tried to consult google and youtube but I'm overwhelmed with all the information. I'm pretty bad with the technical stuff and I don't know where to begin. I've lost hard drives before and it sucks shit.
i've been struggling with draftsmanship for a while, and also learning my fundamentals, but i'm starting to think the problem comes from how i hold my pencil. what is the proper way to hold a pencil for drawing? am i doing it right?
how do i transition from painting digitally in grayscale to color. i am so overwhlemed, the quality of my paintings drops very significantly when i add color
>>2541405
Take your time. It shouldn't be a fast process. Hours. Days. Use a number of different layer modes instead of relying on one. Try multiply, darken, soft light, overlay, hardlight, and also try color balance and hue&sat adjustment layers masked to specific parts of your image. Vary the color you're applying between light and shadow, don't just go "coloring book" mode- ALWAYS BE DRAWING. ALWAYS BE PAINTING. If your color is still not looking right, your value and/or range of value on a form is off. You can dump as much fully saturated red over a 10% grey as you want on a "color" layer, but it will always look pink. You need to get that base value to 50%- this is the value where red achieves its full saturation. Look up "chroma point" for more info. Each hue has one. Best of luck.
>>2541405
just going to quote george leonard cause he's got a good answer to this already
>Learning any new skill involves relatively brief spurts of progress, each of which is followed by a slight decline to a plateau somewhat higher in most cases than that which preceded it…the upward spurts vary; the plateaus have their own dips and rises along the way…To take the master’s journey, you have to practice diligently, striving to hone your skills, to attain new levels of competence. But while doing so–and this is the inexorable–fact of the journey–you also have to be willing to spend most of your time on a plateau, to keep practicing even when you seem to be getting nowhere.
how do I pirate PS?
>>2541824
search on youtube, you know it works if there's a good thumbs up to down ratio. i use mac and it was really easy to do in a couple of minutes, not sure about a PC though
What happened to that website where anons submit practice drawings every day? I think it was made by a guy named volcano. It was doing well the last time I was here.
This is probably a dumb question, but does anyone have any tutorials/books on drawing fire? If not, I'll learn through trial and error, but it would help a lot.
Those of you that put paper over your tablet - how often do you replace the paper?
I've found it's a fucking hassle to replace it every couple of days, because no matter how tight I pull it, it just wrinkles up after a little use. It doesn't help that I have sweaty palms.
Okay, so, on the left is a drawing I did on paper. On the right is one I did on my new Wacom Intuous. Obviously they are of vastly different things, but what I'm concerned about is the jitteriness of my lines on the tablet. The pencil and pen drawing I think has much straighter and more confident lines, whereas the tablet one's lines are much less straight and they also took far longer for me to draw.
Is this just part of getting used to the tablet or is there some foible to tablet drawing that is supposed to be worked around?
P.S. yes I'm aware that I'm bad at art.
>>2542045
https://grypwolf.tumblr.com/post/95472864263/and-that-is-the-way-i-make-fire-simple-and
I get that skin isn't the most reflective surface, but why does it almost always look better when I severely limit the values? Am I just constructing the form wrong?
>>2542229
Yeah the forms are a bit wrong. If the highlights were placed more strategically and with better handling it would look fine.
>>2542090
You just don't know how to use a tablet man.
will drawing get me gf if im socially retarded?
ive been drawing for a few months now but its still not impressive
How the hell do I draw big with a stylus? Do I have to keep any part of my hand from resting on my tablet so my hand doesn't drag across it? It's really frustrating when I can get all right shapes and lines on paper, and then they all look extremely squiggly and misshapen on a tablet.
