>20+16
>falling for the chicken scratch meme
Who else wanna be a top chicken scratcher like pic related, Frank Frazetta?
Chicken scratch is a method employed by artists who are just starting off. They do it because they haven't developed confidence in their strokes.
Obviously from the patchwork of gestural strokes in this sketch, Frazetta has confidence and therefore isn't chicken scratching.
>>2512742
search lines =/= chicken scratch
>>2512742
There is a difference between chicken scratching and gestural sketching. I bet you will never in lifetime be able to draw a gesture like frazetta did
>>2512742
>Being this dumb.
Even pro hentai artists do it.
someone's not gonna make it.
>>2512770
That's not chicken scratch either. Don't you see how fluid and confident those lines look? Drawing over the same line several times doesn't make it chicken scratch unless the lines are broken up and timidly drawn.
>>2512746
>>2512752
>>2512758
The OP pic is clearly filled with chicken scratching. It's a mess.
Pic related, it's the very first result you get when you search "chicken scratch drawing" on Google.
If you have to redraw a line over and over you're clearly not confident in what you do.
>>2512796
frazetta such a hack
>>2512796
>If you have to redraw a line over and over you're clearly not confident in what you do.
Chicken scratch has a 'furry' feeling like in your example. However the "non-chicken" lines are not a good example of confident as well. Even when its drawn with a continuous line, it doesn't show any understanding of construction whatsoever.
There's a clear difference in chicken scratching and reinforcing gestural lines. The fact that you couldn't differentiate them and called OP as chicken scratch shows your average skill level.
That's not chickenscratched faggot, do you even know what your buzzwords mean?
>>2512742
Wtf.. so are we not supposed to gesture-sketch at all now? Are u high nigga?
this fucking bait thread
everyone in this thread is trolled.
none other than the end result matters either you need to or dont need to use gesture lines to reach it who the fuck cares.
>>2512820
If the "end result" is a mess like the OP pic you're clearly doing something wrong.
>>2512823
you make me want to punch a wall so hard.
i dont even want to reply seriously to you.
>>2512823
>Franz Frazetta
>clearly wrong
Please let this be bait
>>2512832
>Franz Frazetta
kek at the irony
>>2512815
>reinforcing gestural lines
That one's so fresh outta your ass the shit smell's oozing from my monitor right now.
You're just defending him because he is popular, just like people do with Sakiminchan or whatever.
If the OP pic was posted in a draw thread you'd be complaining about chicken scratching all the same.
>>2512742
Those lines are too long to be chicken scratch. Chicken scratch is putting lots of short lines together to fake a long line.
>>2512742
There is a difference between making scratches versus needing to make scratches.
>>2512845
>just defending him because he is popular
Your bait is basic AF, just like your skill level.
>>2512792
The hell is your logic here.
>they see a nice sketch
>"ooh nice chicken scratch"
>tries to replicate said sketch
>it looks like shit because they think the sketch is chicken scratch
It doesn't turn into chicken scratch just because you think something is called that way.
>>2512849
Whatever, keep scratching retard.
I'm still gonna go for nice clean sketches where you actually can see what's going on.
We've done it boys! I legitimately can't distinguish between the trolls and idiots here.
Here's some fuel for the fire.
>>2512847
HHNNNGG fug me frank!!
>>2512858
That's clearly elephant scratch there, learn your shit boy
>>2512796
You have no clue what you are talking about. Chicken scratch is very specifically the act of drawing a line in a stop and go type of fashion. Drawing the same line fluidly a couple of times is something tons of great artists do. But hey, I guess they're all hacks and should learn from a master such as yourself.
What's that, Stan Lee? /ic/'s full of a buncha hack frauds?
>>2512881
That's a sensitive, feeling out line rather than a timid chicken scratch. There is a very clear difference in "energy" to the strokes so to speak.
>>2512858
My best guess:
>>2512742
>>2512770
>>2512796
>>2512823
>>2512845
>>2512881
Trolling, probably all the same fool who can't draw smooth lines and got called on it. Everyone else is trying to explain the difference between trying to feel out a line and not being able to make one, but that's lost on the kind of dipshit who'd make a thread like this.
OP, you can't take or comprehend criticism.
>>2512881
epic bait thread OP got damn
>>2512881
fucking hell this is cringy
kudos to the man for being honest and publishing this though.
>>2512902
I still feel this discussion can be helpful for some that dont know the difference.
the sticky really needs to be updated. chicken scratch is fine for sketching gestures and search lines when doing observational drawing.
>>2512931
How does it feel to know that there are likely people on this board who were born after you started drawing?
>>2512943
Everyone and everything is just a figment of my imagination. I'll be having sex with you later today. How does that make you feel?
>complaining about this
>not the strokey unfinished, not blended photoshop paintings everyone keeps shitting out
>>2512742
There is a difference between chicken scratch and restatements.
>>2513012
Looks pretty scratchy to me.
>>2512746
>Frazetta has confidence and therefore isn't chicken scratching.
>>2513027
He's right you know.
>>2513027
Not sure why this is so hard for you to understand.
They can be sketchy lines, messy lines, hairy lines, searching lines, but chicken scratch they are not unless they look like pic related. Do you see those type of lines anywhere in that Frazetta sketch?
>>2513072
I always thought chicken scratch was more akin to a combination between the first and third circle in your image.
>>2513077
the first one on the left isn't chicken scratch either, it's just the second on the left but instead of a perfect curve, it's indicating a direction change.
>>2513086
I'd scratch that ass hnnngg
OP, you are legit retard and should be institutionalized.
Dodson says about this line adjustment in very first pages of his "Keys to Drawing" and recommends it while life drawing/sketching instead of erasing lines to leave more organic mark of creative process. And no, this isn't fucking chicken scratching.
Holy fucking shit, now I see that like half of /ic/ never actually reached to basic literature. Jesus Christ, no wonder so many of you are lazy NEET hacks with no brain or creativity.
>>2513240
>b-but muh meme art book author says...
>>2513281
You aren't even trying at this point.
>>2513294
Not even OP.
I simply believe one should be able to think for themselves instead of relying on crutches like that.
>>2512742
>What the fuck is a 'sketch' and how do I get this cock out of my asshole?
>>2513298
>books and advice from experts
>crutches
You're a fucking retard. Learning from others isn't a crutch. Reinvent the wheel all alone all you like, intelligent people will read the a manual and adjust as suits them.
You can think for yourself while having the tiniest bit of sense and realizing some people know better than you, especially if they've been doing exactly what you're trying to do for way longer.
>>2513303
No wonder you won't make it.
>>2513318
Sure thing, buddy. I'll wait for that giant list of successful people who adamantly refused to learn from others.
I've only recently gotten past actual chicken scratching. I tend to make very light exploratory lines first and then hover trace over them several times to get the feel of it....THEN i actually make the line in a smooth but somewhat fast stroke. This is on paper though. On my tablet i do pretty much the same thing, but i'm lucky if i get the line i want within 10 strokes. Sometimes it may take me 30 strokes to get the continuous unbroken line i want.
>>2512790
dude that's chicken scratching in all it's glory.
My lines are fluid also and I chicken scratch. That comes with years of drawing like that. Check the image again, if you actually look at it there's atleast 5 places that hit you in the face immediently where the artist doesn't have confidence and he chicken scratched till he got what he wanted.
This thread made me aware that the porn I fap to were initially chicken scratch.
>>2512770
sauce?
>>2513856
Can't find any more like this, only his finished work. Are they available for download somewhere?
>>2513856
shit son, artist? Reverse searching aint giving shit
>>2513950
you are beyond hope. the artist's name is in the pic.
Are you dipshits seriously pissing your time away arguing about how people choose to sketch?
The only thing that matters is the finished product.
Holy shit, the fact that this thread is still going is proof of how fucking retarded /ic/ is.
Enjoy your stupid thread, I'm off to design a logo for a client and I may even use chicken scratch in my sketches but it WON'T FUCKING MATTER because that's not the final product.
>>2513983
But anon, what if the sketch is your final product?
>>2513983
someone's on their period
>>2513986
"Sketch: a rough or unfinished drawing or painting, often made to assist in making a more finished picture."
I hope you're trolling, but god damn it it's hard to tell on this board.
>>2514483
>not appreciating the organic appeal of a well-drawn sketch
Won't make it.
>>2513983
so mad that people are mad over a nasty drawing habit lmao
>>2514483
>no one commissions sketches
>no one sketches as an exercise without taking it further
>>2513077
I agree with this chart.
I think what most people on here forget that even legitimate actual chicken scratch can look good in the right context. It's a tool that an experienced artist can use to great effect, but for a beginner it's a bad habit to pick up. Stop being so goddamn categorical, guys.
>>2515019
>even legitimate actual chicken scratch can look good in the right context. It's a tool that an experienced artist can use to great effect
Any examples?
>draws a line in one stroke
>its shit
>draws another line on top
>not good enough
>draws another one
people will defend this
>>2512847
is that ninja brian?
>>2512742
>implying Frazetta was anything other than a god made mortal
>>2512742
Gotta agree with OP on this. Chicken scratch is for noobs. Look at pic related. It's a chicken scratch shit sketch by some Italian idiot who called himself Raphael.
It's clear from this sketch he can't draw or paint for shit
>regurgitating buzzwords you don't understand
Typical /ic/.
>>2515049
that's clearly different tho
>>2512770
source? google reverse image search returns jack shit
