Old one at 300
Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make your mom proud.
AVOID asking unrelated questions, There is a question thread for that.
Visit the usual "Art book Thread" to find your desired books.
Do not forget to PLEASE RESIZE and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.
Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," Read the fucking sticky, it's there for a reason: >>1579290 → #
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There's a new sticky in town! You can see it at https://www.reddit.com/comments/46sb9k/
>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.
TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.
Old thread: >>2482955
>>2485712
>>2485735
i saw a advanced guy who drawing human's face with imagination he draw 2 circle first and measuring proportion and draw circle and draw skull and draw all muscle and describing
i think this is right way of drawing portrait
>>2485747
link?
>>2485749
http://cheolhweekwon.blogspot.kr/2014/01/20140116.html?m=0
i think he is professional and he studied bammes
i can't even try he's method
>>2485470
it's a recurring problem
>>2485754
I can't watch the video but it looks like the Reilly method. A lot of people debate whether Reilly or Loomis is better for beginners.
>>2485754
looks like Reilly
It was quite a good watch, and I learned a lot. Though I'm still a bit confused about how he transposed to a 3/4 view.
do you have more like this?
>>2485766
entire of he's blog he'drawing figure as same method he posted some study too but can't understand that shit
>>2485754
hes not a professional lol. He's only better than like 30% of i/c
>>2485756
you know you can post in any thread you want right, but you're not a beg thread ? Also, your backskull is too big and you need to draw your hands backwards like in dotrsotb
>>2485784
>, but you're not a beg thread ?
what did he mean by this?
>>2485735
exactly, beginners (me included) should forget all about anatomy, correct perspective and other shit that begginer books teach, people should just focus on actually learning to see, once you can see, learning perspective/anatomy is a piece of cake.
>>2485807
When do we know if we can see senpai ?
>>2485800
/tv/ leave
>>2485822
when you dont need refernce and you are still drawing correct objects and not symbols.
I want to practice drawing, but I feel so ashamed whenever I try. Pic related is my first attempt at the OP pic. I tried again later at a slower pace, but it somehow came out much worse. Am I hopeless?
>>2485856
literally the first step in the entire process of learning art is accepting that you're shit and committing to getting better
everyone started horribly
if you feel "ashamed" at this step then you might as well quit now before you get upset later on
>>2485856
you're not hopeless, but you would benefit from looking up techniques that aid with measurement and proportion of the head as well as checking out guides that list the most common beginner pitfalls.
remember that improvement isn't just the act of drawing, but analyzing your drawing and thinking about how you could do better in the future. approach it with the mindset of solving problems and you'll improve. don't just draw mindlessly and hope you'll improve on chance.
>>2485856
It isn't that bad.
You should just keep checking if the proportions are correct. It might be useful to block in and draw the big shapes first before getting to the details.
>>2485756
Why are those cross contours on his right calf curving downwards when you're looking at his foot from above? If they're not helping you you should get rid of them.
Anything to fix before I continue?
>>2485908
Proportions, for a start.
>>2485908
tits should be lower obviosly
>>2485917
Either lower half is too long or upper half is too small
>>2485919
thanks again.
>>2485925
tits are still ways off
How do my feet look?
>>2485934
I can't comment anatomy, so I will comment on your lines. Admittedly feet ate closest to viewer, but are drawn with lightest lines.
What is very off though is this leg overlap. Actually whole right leg should be redrawn, as it is now it looks like 3 random, flat disconnected shapes into which left leg cuts into.
Sorry for being harsh, I'm beginner myself but it is how it looks like to me.
>>2485934
you did draw two right legs
>>2485935
lines are shapes and all shapes are made out of lines (unless it just a point, but if you magnitize it enough it should still be made of lines), just pointing it out
>>2485952
Yes, generally thicker lines indicate that something is closer to us than the stuff that is drawn in thinner lines. Same with planes, larger planes are closer to us while smaller farther.
I would remove weight on the top of left leg (and right too for that matter) while maybe add a bit to the bottom of the feet or calf.
Also a line where forms intersect should also be drawn in thicker line to indicate pressure.
See drawabox lessons 1 and 2 and bonus notes on line weight:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/comments/2vy2qy/an_introduction_to_rartfundamentals_read_this_if/
Proportion training give a critic if i measuring wrong
>>2485861
Just started Fun With a Pencil. If I do this poorly on the first exercise, is there any point in continuing further?
>>2486089
If everyone thought like you, there would be no artists.
>>2486089
Keep fucking trying or else Loomis is going to pop out of the ground and kick your ass, anon.
>>2486089
ones on the left are ok, try drawing the rest of the curved line (it should make an oval)
practice drawing ovals and lines moving your whole arm not just the wrist
>is there any point in continuing further?
no, you should stop now and never come back.
>>2486089
you should stick to copying other art for now, instead of trying your own shit. You need to learn to fucking draw basic shapes before you do loomis.
>>2486154
took me like 30mins to draw this shit lol
>>2486157
>30 minutes
>chicken scratching
Ok, instead of drawing head try practicing your lines first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
30 minutes for what you did is completely unacceptable. You shouldn't spend so long on simple construction. It's better if it's not so perfect but if you do 10-20 of them so you will understand the process.
Also why are you drawing digitally, don't you have pen and paper for that?
Again - half an hour is no go. It's just not good. You must be confident with what you are drawing, it's no good if you will non-stop correct your lines because they aren't smooth enough or end exactly where you would want them to.
>>2486168
i tried to draw it again took me like 3mins now,
>>2486168
why shouldnt i draw digitally, works fine for me.
>>2486181
Good, it's better. You are still chicken scratching - don't do that. Try now doing it again but with single lines. Yes, single line for circle, single for brow line etc.
After you do that practice until you get in around 1 minute for the head.
>>2486183
Line control. Digital isn't good for beginners, it's really faster to do go traditional + traditional is a lot more unforgiving. In digital you can tweak everything you do. On paper, you can't - and thanks to that you are starting to think before placing lines and also tracing them better.
>>2486191
why use single long lines when you can trace over everything, once you have established your lines by "chiken scrashing", i know people using traditional will ghost there lines before actually comiting, this is like similar, but easier.
>>2486208
It's longer process, you have actually less control over your drawing, traced lines don't look as good, in worst case they are a mash up, in best they look too clean and artificial.
Seriously, don't be lazy about it.
>>2486222
you legit don't know shit about drawing
just shut up
>>2486227
That's not what your mom said last night.
>>2486208
use hard pencils but sketch gently, I do very dirty sketches since my hands tremble like crazy from anxiety due being a 5'4" manlet virgn with micropenis and depression, so it is very had for my hand to go where I want in the first try, If I use hard pencils at a moderate/light pressure, then I can erase those lines easily.
Digital art for me is imposible, lines come out brutally shaky in tablets my hand visibly shakes due to my mental problems.
>>2486248
>I do very dirty sketches since my hands tremble like crazy from anxiety due being a 5'4" manlet virgn with micropenis and depression, so it is very had for my hand to go where I want in the first try
>mfw
>>2486227
It hurts so much because it's true - you lazy piece of shit.
Tear me apart pls
>>2486308
It's awful and a sign that you are still in high-school.
Help, I never really learned how to color or draw digitally.
Gimme some tips.
Also I know proportions are off, I'm using this as a training ground for colouring
>>2486317
ctrlpaint.com
>>2486313
There is nothing to tear apart, keep it more simple.
You're copying the model too much without understanding what's really going on.
>>2486319
>You're copying the model too much without understanding what's really going on.
wot
>>2486317
>forgot image
>>2486313
You aren't doing gesture drawing nor are you doing construction. You focus on irrelevant things like bagina and nipples.
You'd do much better if you'd draw her ribcage and pelvis and connect them or if you'd exaggerate her posture.
>>2486322
Construction, anatomy, gesture, perspective. Those things don't come in your drawing when only drawing what you observe. You have to actively implement it.
im getting good at this shit
>>2486344
damn just noticed i fucked up right shoulder real bad
>>2486344
Chicken scratching. Also no, it doesn't look good, you don't draw what you see and your anatomy is just awful. If you have to ref, try doing it upside-down.
>>2486359
its much better than my usual drawing imo. Not disagreeing with you on any points, i need to watch proko tutorial on body drawing, since his head drawing technique seems really good.
I tend to do scraching shit, when i dont correct like drawing.
>>2486369
>when i dont correct like drawing.
dont know how to draw line correctly.
>>2486344
study anatomy more
>>2486369
You are about to pick bad habits, but Proko stuff is ok, stick to it. And please, try to place continuos lines. Also if you are drawing from reference, you can try putting it into grayscale, turn on the contrast and turn upside-down. Then draw from ref and after finishing drawing flip it again.
>>2486380
ok. So how do deal with bad lines, should i just continueless place long lines without scratch and delete them, until i have a line that is satisfying for me? Or is that bad as well.
>>2486384
There are exercises on lines, basically you try to draw straight line and then trace a few on it with your pen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
Just try to not move your pen/pencil out of paper. If you feel that you are losing control over the line, stop, but don't lift your pen/pencil, just stop for a second, think and continue your line.
fuck faces, just fuck em to hell
>>2486083
The top one is good. Keep doing these kind of exercises while learning a little bit of the stuff beneath our skin. When you have learned about the skull and the most important muscles of the face, you'll stop placing lines arbitrary like you're doing now on the edges of the face (mouth and cheek are pretty inaccurate so far) Then you can start working on the features and get rid of those symbols.
>>2486313
As some anons already told you, work on gesture, for now it is going to be more productive to do 1 hour of gestures, wich translates to at least 30 figures, than to work for 1 hour on a single project
>>2486344
maybe, try doing 1000 more
>>2486401
yo, it looks to me like you're rushing, faces take a little more time, if you want to do sketches just limit yourself to the use of line to represent the shapes of forms and shadows. Now if you wanna render you gonna have to take it slower
Some before bed practice. Lights are out so I had to go digital for once. Stuff that's already challenging like construction is even harder when simultaneously trying to get used to digital.
how's my symbol drawing now
>>2486458
very symboly
>>2486468
They don't look symbolic at all, he just fucked up construction and perspective.
>>2486482
in what ways?
>>2485856
It's OK anon. I'm a fellow beginner and with time, study and practice I'm sure we'll do fine
Here's my piece for the day after buying a sketchbook. How did I do?
P.S: I've been reading into Keys to Drawing by Dodson and I'm trying to blind draw as much as possible
>>2486537
symbols as well
>>2486539
I know and I'm having a hard time getting out of that habit. Is there material out there that focuses specifically on dropping symbol drawing for good or does that come with experience?
>>2486547
scroll up
http://imgur.com/a/C0rCg thinking about just giving up, any tips except get a better camera faggot? thank you
>>2486564
I personally think you should keep at it and work harder. You have cool ideas but obviously they don't come out like you see them in your head.
>>2486558
I just noticed the new sticky on reddit. I'll be following that from now on instead of the old sticky
>>2486564
Looks good.
Don't give up. There are always people that'll strive to get to your skill level whilst you might strive to some one else's.
Just keep drawing and be happy with what you create.
>>2486547
It's more of an understanding problem than it is an experience one.
Take a portrait and try to draw it upside down. The whole time you should be thinking about measurements, angles, shapes, distances, objective things that you can physically check in your reference.
Spend the first 3 hours of your drawing just measuring your 'lay-in'. You start with the big outside shape to lay out a sort of foundation or blueprint for your drawing, you work on the smaller inside shapes, etc. Use only straight lines at the start, and work lightly so that you can put the real curved lines over top. You establish correct proportion first, then you work on the more detailed shapes. You never draw what you think something should look like, just what you can measure. Don't use a ruler or tape measure, just use your pencil and try to develop a good sense of the distances and angles. Constantly checking back and forth to see what needs to be redone.
It takes a long time, and it's a very painstaking process that requires lots of focus, but that's the cold hard truth of drawing.
Practice your Loomis heads to help you establish your head 'blueprint' in the early phase of portrait drawings.
Also, portraits aren't the best thing to do with Keys because of how complex the forms of the human body are. You really want to work on simple objects like tissue boxes, cans, cups, bowls, vases, working your way up to more complicated objects. Try what I suggested anyways, doesn't have to be a portrait, could just be anything.
The key is to get into the mindset of 'I'm measuring and drawing this series of distances, angles and shapes', rather than 'I'm drawing a head'. If you think the latter way, you will try to draw what you think a head looks like, the problem is you never really learned. You have an intuitive idea of what it looks like, but no learned knowledge of the complex forms and structures and how light interacts with them.
I don't understand contour drawing exercises, particularly blind contour drawing.
What is someone supposed to get out of these exercises. Am I supposed to review where I messed up after doing them ?
And what is the right way to do gesture drawings ? The wiki says nothing about how to do them and shows no drawings of what a proper one looks like.
>>2486551
Why'd you post a blank page?
>>2486590
Thanks a bunch for your advice
One last question, should I draw the portrait upside down while my reference picture is right side up or should they both be done upside down?
I love drawing portraits so it's a guilty pleasure of mine. I'll try getting into simple objects first though like apples, spoons, etc
I'm having a lot of issue with contour drawing and blind drawing as suggested by Dodson because the lines I draw while looking at the reference don't match at all with what I actually see
>>2486597
Don't worry about doing gestures, it's an intermediate figure drawing exercise and it's stupid to recommend it to beginners. You have to understand figure construction and proportion first. Get figure books, Hampton's, Loomis, Vilppu's, Bridgman. Work on your mannequins and getting everything the right proportion.
The point of the blind drawing exercise is to teach you to draw the image in front of your eyeballs. If not, you'll stare at your page and start drawing symbols from out of your head of how you 'think' things look. The post above yours explains it.
>>2486604
They're both upside down, this is to trick your brain into not recognizing what you're looking at as a 'head', but instead as abstract shape. You can't draw the idea of it, which is the 'symbol', you're forced to look at things and make sure the shapes are right.
There's an info-graphic here too >>2485735 you can look at, which I totally missed.
>>2486617
Alright, I will save that pic to always remind me of the process
I'll try to draw the same pic I used as reference for my drawing using the upside down method when I have the time
You're doing god's work anon and I can't thank you enough for responding to a noob like me
>study a bunch of figures in poses
>think I have a good understanding to do some from imagination
>can't come up with any interesting poses besides people standing in frontal and 3/4 view
What do I do to stop this
>>2486647
Think of an action.
Pointing a gun, trying to reach the top shelf or just stretching etc. Why did you start drawing in the first place? If the pose is too hard stick to mannequin construction.
How's your progress coming along?
I know I fucked up on his legs because I realized that it should be aligned with the middle of his shoulder, but I'm glad I can finally put organic drawings in perspective.
>>2486666
Quick question, is posting porn in the beginner thread frowned upon? It is a red board, but the rules don't mention anything.
>>2486675
is it beginner quality or have you gotten good?
If you want to do porn eventually that's fine but you better have a decent understanding of anatomy and such before even attempting.
>>2486679
Hard to say how good i am, but i have some grasp of anatomy.
I was asking more if i won't get banned for it.
>>2486666
These are all from imagination, right? I think it would really help you to do lots of studying from references. Either from photos or copying from figure construction books. Try to make sure what you're drawing is accurate, be patient and take as much time as you need on measuring your lay-in for each drawing to make it look like your reference.
You're getting a bit ahead of yourself with the painting, figure invention, and figure perspective stuff. This is all considered intermediate/advanced stuff. It's fine to keep doing it for fun right now, but I think if you focus your studies on accurate drawing you'll improve much faster. Gotta learn to walk before you run.
>>2486682
Figure practice is heavily focused on drawing naked people, so I wouldn't imagine you'd get banned, especially not if you're having beginner problems. If it's just vanilla porn there shouldn't be a problem, I can't say whether you'll get banned or not for posting some kind of /d/ shit.
That being said, beginners trying to do porn is pretty cringe stuff.
>>2486690
Okay, here i go i guess.
I'll stray away from /d/ then, thanks anon.
>>2486191
but why bother w/ telling people not to chicken when digitally you can erase a mistake with a button?
i see lots of art streams that do it. so do THEY chicken too? don't we ALL!? fuck man, this shit pisses me off.
In this part of Drawabox, are the ellipses you draw in the plane a perfect circle or can they be more oval-shaped to conform?
>>2486580
>Just keep drawing and be happy with what you create.
this is the biggest FUCKING LIE in this entire hobby. how can you fucking enjoy something that is shit, something that everyone tells you to do over, don't draw symbols, don't do this or that, don't do the wrong thing, do the right thing.
it's all fucking crazy and i hate it, but i want to get better and i have no fucking idea what to do when someone says "don't draw symbols" when all fucking art is is goddamn symbols!
>>2486683
I'm simply applying what I've learned with each of these different drawings from imagination. I don't do them all the time. Probably twice a month.
I mainly draw from life for my references and try my best to see through forms.
What do you mean by accurate drawing?
What should I be looking at for references in the first place?
I really haven't learned any anatomy at all, and I've just started reading that figure drawing by Loomis.
>>2486732
>haven't learned anatomy at all
there you go
>>2486683
Do you mean that I should focus more on still lives? Or do you mean I should focus on de-constructing people in photographs/life?
>>2486740
I don't know what you mean by this. Are you saying I should just keep reading the same Loomis book and studying from it? What about getting ahead of myself? Are you saying I should get better at perspective and basic forms before I try to break down the human structure?
>>2486745
Why don't you think about it? How are you going to make convincing figures if you know nothing about how long an arm should be in relation to the torso?
Reposting from the old draw thread
>>2486762
my study. Critiques please?
>>2486763
Is it me or is the angle of the head not match up?
>>2486763
What's throwing off the likeness the most for me is the light on the cheekbone and the fact that the mouth and chin protrude forward just a little too much, Great work though!
>>2486746
Yeah but now you're just telling me I should work on my proportion and study from references like I am currently doing. Still, I really want to know what you mean by getting ahead of myself. I need to know because I don't want to screw up and have it bite me in the ass. Loomis said that anatomy is totally secondary to learning how the body shifts weight, etc.
>>2486729
Wew
There's been an entire breakdown of symbol drawing in this thread, in the form of an image at the top and a written explanation a few posts up from you. All art isn't 'symbols', that's not what's meant when people refer to the mistake of 'symbol drawing'. Yes, drawings are ultimately representations and indications of things, but that's using 'symbol' in a different context than intended.
You're expecting too much from yourself, and reacting too negatively to advice. Just take satisfaction in yourself when you study hard, and don't invest yourself more emotionally than that. There's no reason to feel bad about drawing.
Anyone know of exercises focusing on improving your color choices ?
>>2486729
i think... art is one kind of study.. solving problem
>>2486773
That's a different person. I told you to try to copy from reference because the most fundamental skill in drawing is from training your eye. It's why you're supposed to start with Keys to Drawing. If you can't draw something accurately, you can't learn to represent it's form correctly. All drawing is built on a foundation of accurate copying. That's how you learn construction, how you learn proportion, build your visual library, how you study the techniques of other artists, how you study anatomy, etc.
>>2486728
They should be as tall and wide as the plane you're drawing them in. It's not a perspective exercise.
>>2486785
Do colour composition studies from masters
They're like thumbnails that just depict how the colour flows throughout the painting
>>2486804
Thanks. Hard to find the names of color exercises.
>>2486729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2DfJeakr0I
>>2486796
Thank you.
I'm glad you're not an ass clown like that other guy.
>>2486829
i know its never too late, i started trying to do this almost 13 years ago, but i feel like i've never improved because i don't know what i'm doing even after i try practice or studying.
>>2485712
>tfw can't into scales
HOW DO YOU DO THESE FUCKING THINGS
IF YOU ADD TOO MUCH LINES IT ENDS UP LOOKING LIKE PART OF THE SHADING
IF YOU ADD TOO LITTLE IT LOOKS LIKE A GRID
anyone have tuts/books on thighs or asses, or tips about lower half of body? I know I suckin anatomy but these are the places where I fuckup the most. idkif it's the right place to post or the atl thread but I'm scared of moving out of my comfort zone.pic related drawn with my tabletshipped today.
Some stuff i worked on this morning. Just gotta work on drawing faces more. Any critiques would be appreciated.
>>2486878
is that just a white color pencil you use for that light?
>>2486878
holy shit didn't resize sorry
>>2486879
Primo brand white charcoal, came with a set of charcoal pencils i got.
>>2486878
>>2486865
anyone have any torso anatomy references? thx in advance
>>2485736
Got as much out of this study as I could
I'm an absolute beginner when it comes to drawing and I just recently started to work my way through Keys to Drawing. How am I supposed to approach the exercises?
Obviously everything I do still looks like trash. Should I grind every exercise until I can do it decently before moving on to the next or is it enough to just reflect on what I may have done wrong and do damage control?
>>2486919
Draw like a madman and dont shit procasti
>>2486762
tried with watercolors, i wan to buy a wacom tablet.
>>2486763
you did a fine job i have the same problem as you with hair.
I can barely draw from refernce, so i though il watch proko figure drawing series, he immidiatly starts talking about gesture drawing, is it a meme? I can barely draw, half of my drawing is composed of symbols and he suggest gesture drawing for absolute begginers? On top of that the sessions he talks about is 2-3h, what? I draw at most 1-2h per day, if i did gesture drawings it would take my whole session. Yet i still want to do atleast 1 drawing from refernce, to continue my training..so is gesture drawing a meme? Why does Proko suggest it?
>>2486856
Watch the video and listen to his advice.
>>2486946
like the other anon suggested
you should have a basic understanding of anatomy before you seriously start gesture
>>2486964
so i should watch Proko anatomy series before watching his gesture drawing series?
>>2486966
do you think that's a smart move considering what the other anon suggested?
>>2486966
If you still are drawing symbols don't even bother trying figures keep drawing from life and drawing shapes
I want to ask...
The meaning of "tracing", is it exclusively having a layer on top of the original art and copying over it??
I was accused of tracing on a drawing, I did use a reference for a couple of parts of it, but I did NOT put layers on top of anything and draw over it.
Is that meaning of it? Or is using a reference to draw also considered "tracing"?
I fucking hate people who make fun of others for using Photoshop for drawing/painting
I mean, what the fuck, so yeah it is VERY convenient on many many points, but that's it. You still need to know your shit if you want to draw and paint.
How, and I mean fucking how does convenience = magnification of skill?
So tools like digital art allows you to Undo and Re-do, that's great, and regular art if you fuck up then depending you'd have to restart or find a way out of it.
How not having to start your shit from scratch a bad thing in any fucking way. Unbelievable.
>>2486931
Yeah, hair is a bitch for me. I'll get something more hair heavy for the next study
The problem with this is that you aren't just drawing what you're seeing. For example, her right cheek is nowhere to be seen in the ref, but you included it because you're envisioning her entire face in your head. I fucked up on some measurements, but generally you should try to drawing/block in major shapes and compare how they relate with angles. When I started doing it, my ability to do more successful studies has gone up like 300%.
Do not fall into the trap of trying to do the features and everything as you pass them. Map out the entirety of the subject with major shapes/angles,negative space and carefully work backwards into smaller details.
>>2487033
Tracing is drawing directly over the source material. If you haven't, it's not tracing and if you're accused of it on a piece then it must look good.
Everyone uses references. Don't sweat.
>>2487040
It's a crutch. It's best to learn how to place line correctly from the beginning and draw it smooth than to place it however and adjust.
Point is that if you will start with these tools you will start depending on them and won't grow over them.
Where should look for basic body proportions, that would still serve me well, once i get better?
>>2487051
the ability to undo a line isnt bad, if you are still placing straight lines, ability to undo them is actually advantage, since you can practice same line 15000000 times on digital, so get perfect line everytime. Practice makes perfect, doesnt matter where to are actually practicing your drawing.
>>2485896
>>2482974
done on 18x24 with charcoal pencil, sorry about the awful construction on the head, haven't learned my loomis/head construction yet as all of my studies have been perspective/gesture/drawing on right side of brain so far.
Do you guys have any recommendations for bettering my line weight + edge control? It's something I really really need to work on.
>>2487061
Now looks like a good time to start construction.
As for edge control, peter han is really helpful
For line weight, see pic related.
Weeks worth of figure drawings.
Also picked up loomis and just finished first chapter.
(warning large image)
What is fundamentals exactly, is drawing figure from photo reference is considered fundamental training?
Any critique on this? I tried to make my lineart to dissappear by using colors instead but it ended being too abstract without them.
I want to recreate that coloring style using big strokes but Im just trying for the moment.
>>2486974
but drawing shapes is the enemy!
aren't we supposed to not draw shapes?
im so fucking confused, you fucks and you books and web videos don't give me a straight fucking answer!
>>2487264
is this still considered beginner?
i figured this thread was for absolute shit tier artists like myself to, ya know, actually get better at this shit.
looking at this i feel depressed ill never get better.
>>2487265
3D shapes good, 2D shapes bad, symbols bad.
>>2487269
yes, it is. Up your studies.
>>2487264
>chicken scratching.jpg
>>2487287
They were just the sketch lines, I started painting without doing the clean lineart.
At first I didnt include the sketch layer, but color looked bad without them.
>>2487264
>chromatic aberration
>>2487265
ummm, we are supposed to draw shapes and forms and light basically.
Symbolic drawing simply means that you are drawing things from what you perceive it is not the actual shape of whatever it is you draw.
Tried drawing this bitch upside down for 20 minutes and didn't realize what an ugly horror I had made until turning it right side up. I think my brain gave up at some point and reverted to symbol drawing.
is studying bammes is insane for begginer?
>>2487295
that happened to me a few months ago, but it was worse because I was drawing a friend.
She stood there for 30 min and I insisted in not showing the drawing. She got SO angry at me
>>2487295
the bright side atleast the ear looks good 3/10. Keep trying.
What's the best tutorial for drawing heads?
Mine look like dogshit
>>2487334
go ahead and take your time going through drawing on the right side of the brain.
>>2487354
want to learn to draw good, will go through sticky later. Is there anything i can practice every time i pick up a pen to doodle?
Should i draw something around me? Keep something in mind? As a lvl 0 artist should i try something each time i draw?
>>2487388
read the sticky you fucking piece of shit
>>2487389
in school on my phone rn anon, i know im sorry
>>2486666
>how's your progress going
been drawing a fuck ton more than I have
I hope I'm getting better even a bit at least
>>2487388
Yes to the first and last question.
dat ass
>>2487400
i hope youre kidding.
you can't do 1 week progress pics fucking lol.
Beginner's question here.
Is it not kosher to try and mimic poses from a "popular artist" for sketching/personal use?
From what I've seen a few well known artists loses their shit when they see others try to mimic them. I tend to stay away from those people.
>>2487478
You can't copyright a pose. You shouldn't have to care about those artists as long as it doesn't look like a copy of their art.
>>2487480
Of course not. Then it just becomes straight up tracing.
Thank you
Can anyone critique this? I tried to make the nose not too fucked up
>>2487262
Construction. Perspective. Value. Form. etc.
>>2487493
need to think in 3D
>>2486858
Use line weight and take overlaps into consideration? It's gonna be tedious so get lazy but not stupid.
>>2487474
you can't tell me what to do :^)
>>2487474
Nose "I am a shartist so I comment on internet faux pas 24/7 instead of drawing" Bro
>>2487444
another ass, i truly enjoy drawing big asses
>>2487051
What do you do if you can get your lines to go where you want on paper, but everything looks like shit when you go digital?
>>2487586
...It's 'practise', isn't it?
>>2487586
what exactly do you mean looks like shit? Digital drawing isnt any differnt than traditional. it uses same exact elements. Other than the fact you have 2000x more tools available.
>>2487596
It just doesn't look as clean, probably because a single pixel on the screen is three times as wide as the tip of my pencil.
>>2487040
>>2487051
I came here with some mindblowing news for you guys
Just got a tablet. What do I do now? Any configurations I need to know about?
>>2487624
In about 30 minutes you're gonna realize you like using the pencil and paper a lot more.
>>2487624
Turn stabilizer to 100%, turn it down later when max bugs you.
Do dynamic line exercises a lot since the pad doesn't translate to paper accurately.
>>2487295
When I recommended the upside down head drawing, I also stated that you should SPEND 3 HOURS MEASURING YOUR LAY-IN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9huxbJvdD8
Watch this video for an example of the process you should be going through when doing a drawing from observation.
I'm seriously not exaggerating when I say you should spend 3 hours on your lay-in.
>>2487630
If someone could answer this question, that would be cool
>>2487677
Look at the video in the post above yours
>>2487677
Rephrase the question or give an example, you are too vague.
Accuracy of what? Colours? Proportions? Hand-eye coordination? Emotion? Likeness? etc.
>>2487608
What program are you using, what kind of tablet do you have?
You should always draw at a high resolution. I do most of my drawing at 4k and downsize to 1080p when I'm finished. Make sure the settings for pen pressure are properly configured in your tablet's software.
If you're using manga studio or sai there are built in stabilizers. For photoshop, I think you need to use something like lazy nezumi.
Make sure your drivers are working properly. I have issues with my cintiq where it won't register pen settings properly sometimes and I have to remove my preferences, and replace them with a backup.
Other than that, it's just a matter of dexterity, and using changes in magnification to your advantage.
(can't wake up)
>>2487737
Read through some of the advice in the thread, you're symbol drawing, and you're not taking the time to measure and draw your subject accurately.
>>2487051
Only if you stop doing any traditional drawing. Most digital artist still draw on paper everyday. And most of them don't even rely on the tools on the software. They just draw and erase just like how you can do with pencil and paper.
And to correct painting they just paint over it. It's like having unlimited amount of paint of every color available to you.
Also even if it became a crutch to an artist it's only a crutch if he wants to do traditional. At the end of the day the result is all that matters. Nobody really give a shit about your process.
>>2487608
Zoom out
>>2487596
>2000x more tools
You mean traditional? You can do 2000x more with just a pencil then you ever can with digital.
Digital is only good for easy and quick painting, drawing with digital is just worse
very basic pose before trying something more challenging, any critics? also suggestions on how to draw better hands and feet would be very appreciated
Lads, is it okay to put your drawing on top of your original to check your progress?
Absolutely not draw over it/trace, but draw while looking, testing your hand-eye coordination and then putting over it to see how well you did
Or should everything be as eye balled as possible?
>>2487792
Well you would want to train being able to spot differences without doing it but before you get good that is the only way to self critique.
It would be the same as mapping out the reference and your image to help spot difference but just much quicker.
>>2487799
As I evolve I will try to abstain as much as possible from doing this
But for now I'll sort of use it to see how well I'm being able to draw what I see.
Thanks lad
>>2487804
I tend to put the reference over my drawing when I think I'm finished, mark off everything thats wrong then hide the reference and re-draw. Its better critique then you will ever get here
>>2487807
>Its better critique then you will ever get here
Only if the problem with your drawing is accuracy related, salty.
>>2487787
it's worse if you don't know how to use the tools. Also digital uses electricity. If your traditional is so good why don't you show us your art?
>>2487790
>>2487847
i fucking despise feet
>>2487860
and bammes and all other shit :^)
study them 'all'
>>2487857
>why is the beginner bad
>why is the beginner bad
>why is the beginner bad
>why is the beginner bad
>why is the beginner bad
>>2487857
gee calm down lad, i'm new here and i didn't mean to shitpost or anything, just trying to improve like everyone else, i'll post less often and if i see improvment from now on but wow you were rude
Help me out guys, I suck at doing angled perspectives, every time i try to do something my drawing ends up looking like it had a level perspective. There has to be an easier way to understand perspective.
Like, where do you put the horizon line when the drawing is at such an extreme angle that the vanishing point is out of the image? I seriously cant make heads or tails of a lot of perspective lines, they just look like lines on a page to me.
>>2487869
Don't mind him, he's grumpy. I'm sure what he meant to say was read the sticky and get started on your fundamentals before you post something for serious critique.
>>2485712
Oh my shit. Posting anyway since I took the time to attempt it. I might have another go with a pencil but just the face.
>>2487881
haha hilarious
>>2485712
Continued adventures in faces.
>>2487884
better than i could do with just a pen my man
>>2487560
i draw more than you guys give me credit for.
never really drawn before
just tried copying these faces from the art book
i dont really know where to begin drawing something and how big to make things and where to place them
How do I get over my fear of anatomy? I keep thinking it'll stiffen up my drawings so I've been focusing more on gesture and basic figure forms for a while now.
>>2487996
remember when you started and you were scared of drawing anything? now you realize if you just draw there was nothing to be scared about
some things just take longer to get a hang of than others
>>2487912
Think you need to raise the face a little bit for it to be accurate and possible make the features around the eyes slightly less prominent - I look at ref and see more "boyish" rather then "man". Overall, pretty good but needs some observational work.
>>2487979
Read the sticky
>>2487996
Anatomy is more important than gesture. You can worry about how stiff your figures are after you learn how to draw them properly.
>>2488027
I'm speaking from a position of having studied loomis, bridgeman etc for a while before realizing I couldn't invent figures or capture gesture and moving towards that. The post is meant to imply that I've already studied rudimentary anatomy. Also,
>Anatomy is more important than gesture.
relies on the generalization of anatomy as a subject. Knowing all the bones of the wrist isn't going to help me balance and move a figure.
![20160416_142929[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vkLHkHA.jpg "20160416_142929[1].jpg")
i'm nigger tier artist who studying loomis head
is this tool waste for me? because i'm still 'nigger tier'
>>2488035
it's literally a fucking pencil dude, you wouldn't ask this about a wood pencil when all it is is a nigger-tier lead holder made out of wood that you have to shave away
>>2488035
pencils are definitely a waste at your stage. try using charcoal from the moon
